on peng shuai. so it's a very difficult situation and it is very difficult for the situation to withstand the pressure knowing that peng shuai must know once this ball is out she'll be in a more difficult situation if she didn't go along with whatever the script the ccp has provided her. >> it's ironic and the media attention in a sense, yes, it highlights her and it also protects her because people are looking. thank you so much, desmond. i greatly appreciate your time. >> thank you for having me. >> thanks so much to all of you for joining us tonight. "a.c. 360" begins right now. good evening. tonight action and reaction as tension builds in the ukraine crisis crisis even as allies find a way out, and namely whether or not a russian invasion is imminent. a word officials had been using until now.

as for the action president biden today ordered the deployment of 3,000 troops to poland, germany and romania. roughly 2,000 will be drawn from bases in the u.s. and the other thousand will be moved from germany to romania. >> these are about deterrent and defensive measures. they are in precisely in response to the current environment in light of this increasingly threatening behavior by the russian federation. these troops as you all know, they are not going to fight in ukraine. they are going to ensure the robust defense of nato territory. >> so that's the action part. the reaction and we'll go live to moscow for breaking news on that. first, chief white house correspondent caitlyn collins. what are you learning about the white house decision? >> the effort to reassure nato allies who are obviously very concerned by the fact that vladimir putin has put 100,000

forces on ukraine's border and moving forces around belarus and he's not showing signs of de-escalati de-escalating. we heard him yesterday, and he continues to act aggressively and when i asked president biden about this calculous decision he's made to send 3,000 troops to western europe and it's consistent with what he's been telling putin all along and if he continues to act aggressively when it comes to ukraine and what's happening in eastern europe he'll respond in kind with these forces. one thing the white house and pentagon have said is there is a possibility of more forces and they didn't put a number on that or time line and did want say when these troops would come home and what the conditions would look like. it would be temporary and it will not be permanent and it is notable in the change of the posture of the fact that they do feel the need to reinforce these nato allies. >> what do you think about the white house no longer using the

word "imminent." the white house has repeatedly said that it was imminent that russia could invade ukraine arguing that it could happen at any moment though they had often cautioned they had not heard from putin himself and they did not believe he'd made a decision on this, and i did notice that the ambassador to the united nations said she didn't believe it was imminent and i asked jen psaki, the press secretary, today. >> i used that once and others used that once and then we stopped using it because it sends a message that we weren't intending to send which was we knew that president putin had made a decision. the vast majority of times we talked about it, he could invade at any time. >> you're not using that word. >> i used it once last week. >> you're not describing it in imminent? >> i haven't in over a week. >> anderson, she's referencing that unintentional message. we know ukrainian officials were not happy with the white house for using the word imminent because the president of ukraine

said it was causing a panic among his people and they disagree with the white house's assessment that it was imminent. they've been living in this fear of a russian invasion or aggressive russian moves since 2014. so going forward you are not going to be hearing the white house use the word imminent according to jen psaki today. >> kaitlan collins. they both raised the possibility of traveling to moscow to meet with putin and nic robertson is there for us tonight and he has new reporting to the troop deployment. so how is the kremlin responding so far, nic? >> not well. the kremlin spokesman says russia is worried and they say they're worried because the ited states is pumping up the tensions in ukraine. this is something that they've said before. they continue to say it's not them raising the tensions with their presence of all their troop, but it is, in fact, the united states and it's having a destabilizing effect and that's

not good. so that's what the kremlin is saying there, and interestingly to that point on diplomacy, the french president emanuel macron had a 45-minute phone call with president biden this evening and the readout from that is that they were coordinating on diplomacy and sanctions and let's underline the coordinating on diplomacy because emanuel macron, yes, he might be coming to meet the russian president in the coming day, but tomorrow he'll have his third phone call with president putin in less than a week and that's more than any other leader has had and president putin just yesterday said that he hoped to be having a face to face meeting with president macron soon. so there seems to be a diplomatic chemistry being worked out here between macron and putin. not clear and this is a lot of contact relative to recent weeks, anderson.

>> what is the situation at the border, the russian border? >> they are continuing to build up. the forces particularly in belarus and additional forces continue to arrive. the latest satellite imagery over the last 24 hours shows that all around ukraine in the south in crimea and the eastern side of ukraine over the russian border where there's joint military action, and hardware is placed there are now tent appearing and the belief would be that in those tents there are troops and when you put troops with the hardware, some of which have been standing there for a while then you get closer to the possibility of an incursion or an invasion. so the tensions continue to be -- to put president putin in the in the position of having an option for an invasion for which he says he has no plans for, but

the capability and capacity seems to be getting stronger at the moment. >> nic robertson, appreciate it from moscow. we get perspective from leon panetta, cia director in the obama administration. >> secretary panetta, i'm wondering what your reaction is of the president's deployment of 3,000 u.s. troops to eastern europe. is that the right move? >> think it is the right move is what it does is it makes clearer to the russians that whatever they're doing to continue to build up forces along the border area is going to be met by actions between the united states and our nato allies to continue to support the ukraine and to continue to support nato and i think that's an important message to get across to putin. >> the pentagon press secretary indicates that, and we will fight in u kram and tonight the

kremlin themselves and the kremlin spokesperson says it gives russia obvious reason to be worried and is that bluster on russia's part? >> we are getting a lot of b bluster and counter bluster these day, but it really is important that the united states and our nato allies do not blink in the face of what russia is trying to do and that's what russia is testing. they're really trying to see whether or not as they continue to try to ramp up an invasion force and continue to add additional support for that effort they're waiting to seent who that can divide the united states and our nato allies so it's important that we continue to show russia that we are unified and that we will continue to take steps to support nato. >> there is this use of the word

imminent saying it's no longer describing the invasion and do you believe the use of that word impacted how ukraine has behaved and how russia has behaved? was that a mistake? >> i'm not sure. >> this is probably diplomacy trying to stretch a little bit to make clear that putin has not made a firm decision with regards to the invasion so i do understand that nuance. >> there were recent reports about what was happening in the trump west wing between the election and inauguration. draft executive orders for seizing voting machines. as a former white house chief of staff during the clinton administration, when you hear all of this, the president, you know, asking rudy giuliani of all people to talk to the department of homeland security

after giuliani even with all his niness and ludicrous ideas and lies actually seemed to back -- did not back the idea of getting the military to seize voting machines. is this just crazy town? >> i think that what all of this is proving is the value of the january 6th committee in the congress degree its investigation because from the evidence that has been coming forth it is pretty clear that this president made a deliberate effort to ignore the constitution and preserve power in the face of a free and fair election. i don't know what other conclusion you can come to. >> as i mentioned the report of the draft order with the pentagon with seizing voting machines. you've been defense secretary, as defense secretary can you imagine a sitting president or

someone in the administration going to the military and apparently never reached this level, and going to the military ask seizing voting machines. what would your options be if you were secretary of defense. >> well, your responsible sit to abide by your oath of office to preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the united states. and if the president of the united states is trying to get you through executive order to do something that would be a violation of the duty of the constitution then you have every right to say i am not going to follow that order. >> these reports come as the former president is now going after former vice president mike pence saying he should be investigated by the january 6th committee which is i guess a way of him have people not pay attention to the fact that he actually just admitted flat out that this whole thing was about

overturning the election, not rooting out alleged improprieties. what does it tell you that the former vice president's aides are speaking to the committee. what does it tell you about where this may be headed? >> you know, anderson, i think this is the defining moment between auto ok cracy and democ and we just talked about putin and putin made a comment that even though ukraine is a democracy even though it's own sovereign country that it doesn't have the right to make decisions about its security because it's essentially part of russia. so here we have putin basically ignoring international law and saying whatever he wants and in this country we have a former president who essentially was doing the same thing in order to preserve his own power.

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cast doubt on the election. his lawyers say he met with the committee for two hours and unknown whether he took the fifth as he previously indicated he would. stewart rhodes, leader of the so-called oathkeepers and one of 11 people facing sad ishs conspiracy charges and he answered some questions according to his attorney and invoked the fifth on others. lindsay graham who famously declared i'm out after the insurrection and quickly scuttled back into the former president's good graces is declaring himself in so many words out again, sort of. this time on the man from mar-a-lago to potentially pardon january 6th defendants. >> i don't want to send any signal that it was okay to defile our capitol. there are other groups with causes that may want to go down the violent path that these people get pardoned. i think it's inappropriate. i don't want to reinforce that defiling the capitol was okay. i don't want to do anything that would make this more likely in the future. >> that was saturday. he reiterated it today.

now here's the former president last night. >> lindsay graham's wrong. lindsay's a nice guy, but he's a right owl. lindsay graham doesn't know what the hell he's talking about if he says that. >> perspective from chief political analyst gloria borger and david alxelrod. i don't know if it's a fight between lindsay graham and the former president. >> those boys, they just can't get along. i think we've moved loyalty to trump to a different level. it used to be that to be considered loyal to him you would just have to say yeah, i think the election was rigged or yeah, we had a look at it and there were some problems and now you have to be pro-insurrectionist and that is what lend see graham is saying he is not. he is not pro-insurrectionist. he doesn't think it was a good idea for people to go into the capitol and deface it and be

violent and attack police officers. so he didn't go that far, but then again, you know, lindsay graham the other week said well, you know, i'm not going to support mitch mcconnell for leader unless he can get along with donald trump. so he's trying to thread a needle except you can't do that with donald trump anymore. you have to be all in, and depending on the day you don't know where lindsay graham is. >> it's not the first time that we've seen senator graham do this and he seems to want to get closer to the former president and then gets pulled in again, and i just want you to listen to this. >> this is a defining moment for the republican party. we need to reject this. to all of the candidates who think that donald trump is telling the truth, i think you've lost your way. >> if you want to be a republican leader in the house or the senate you have to have a working relationship with president donald trump. >> he's a race baiting, zxeen

phonetic religious bigot. >> i'm not going to have a rupp with anyone who doesn't have a working relationship with president trump. >> clearly president trump has learned nothing from iraq. >> tbld the single worst decision that the president could make. >> withhold judgment as to what's going to happen with syria until it's all in. >> we've had a hell of a journey. i hate it being this way. all i can say is count me out. enough is enough. >> well, play this out. we impeach the president today without any evidence. it's just sheer hatred. >> people who say the things he said will never lead a great mission in my opinion. >> you know how to make america great again? tell donald trump to go to hell. >> i think he'll get re-elected in 2024. >> so that's a lot. yes. >> yeah. is it possible -- it's not possible -- is it possible now

in the republican party to have even a small amount of independents in trump's republican party? well, look, their problem is what it has been is he is dominant within the party and within the primaries of the party. he is becoming more and more toxic outside of the party, and he -- you know, it seems, as though anderson he is so desperate for attention that he is lighting himself on fire more and more to try and get it, and i think it's making republicans uncomfortable. republicans are sitting there thinking we got a pretty good chance to do well this fall if we just keep the focus on the president, on the virus, on inflation. that's where they want the debate to be. they don't want to get dragged back to january 6th. they don't want to get dragged back into should we pardon or not pardon insurrectionists and so on. i think that's what graham was speaking to. there's the rational lindsay graham who says what is obvious and true and then there's the

graham who wants to stay on trump's good sides because that's how graham saved his career by sideling up to trump and probably lose it. ultimately there's a lot of discomfort among republicans. they can't say it, but this is not where they want to be. >> gloria, the republican national committee has their winter meeting to endorse the removal of representative cheney and kinzinger has more than 50 co-sponsors. they're endorsing a mini purge like this ahead of the midterms. what does it say about what a gop house can look like in 2023? >> well, let's see what the republican national committee does. if kevin mccarthy becomes speaker, he's told you what he's going to do. he's going put paul gosar back on his committees. he'll put marjorie taylor-greene on better committees, as he said. he'll get a vote on the house to

get adam schiff off of the intelligence committee. it will be vengeance and the problem for them is that might work and win control of the house, fine and mccarthy become speaker, fine, but how are suburban voters going to look at in 2024? who is the republican nominee? who are the people controlling the house of representatives? what districts are they going to come from and how is that going to hurt when you run for president if the nominee is not donald trump and there are lots of republicans and you've seen the polls as i have and there are lots of republicans who are very nervous about donald trump becoming the nominee. they kind of think he's okay for the party, but they want to see somebody else be the nominee and we have to see what happens in that case, as well. >> david axelrod, we had david urban, supporter of the former president on last night and he was saying, look, this is not what i want the former president to be speaking about, what any

republican should want a former president to be speaking about and all republicans to be speaking about all of the things that they think are going wrong with what joe biden is doing and that many in the american public feel is going wrong. instead, he's eating in mar-a-lago nursing his grievances and crying about them and screaming about them continually. >> yes. look, this is what i was talking about before, i think, urban is voicing the point of view of most rational republicans who want to win elections in the fall, but you know, donald trump was very effective when he was articulating other people's grievances. now he's consumed by his own, and he wants to take the republican party back to a discussion of his own grievances which are unpopular. what is says to people, they don't want republicans focused on that. they want republicans focused on inflation and the virus and supply chains and crime and issues that are touching their

lives and every day that they're talking about donald trump's full fullations they're not talk being about that and most rational republicans know it. >> republicans always say let's move past that. we don't want to talk about 2020 anymore except it is the person who is the most popular in the republican party who wants to talk about only that. >> right. >> and that's their problem. >> gloria borger, and david axelrod. >> the rabbi of the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh joins me to look at the rise of anti-semitic behavior that we've been seeing across the country now. how do we get to a better place? we'll talk to him about that next. a investing strategies designed to help you keep more of what you earn. this is the planning effect.

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whoopi goldberg is off the air for the next two weeks after she was suspended on "the view" after comments about the holocaust that drew swift and angry reaction from the jewish community and its allies. >> i said that the holocaust wasn't about race, and it was instead about man's inhumanity to man, but it is indeed about race because hitler and the nazis considered jews to be an inferior race. words matter and mine are no exception. i regret my comments as i said and i stand corrected. i also stand with the jewish

people as they know and you all know because i've always done that. >> the antidefamation league accepts goldberg's apology and the group warns of a surge in anti-semitic attacks, a man in chicago is charged with two hate crimes and he vandalized two synagogues including two schools and spray painted swastikas. today the sheriff in orange county, florida, announced charges against three people after a pro-nazi demonstration turned violent on friday. that state, florida and five others also saw anti-semitic flyers left in homes last month. just weeks ago a rabbi escaped hours of terror after a gunmen held him captive in a synagogue. joining me is rabbi meyers at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh. 11 members of the jewish community died in that shooting more than three years ago.

welcome back to the program. >> good evening. thank you, anderson. i want your thoughts on where we are as a country. this moment where we've seen people move to act in violent ways against the jewish community and how are you feeling about where we are at as a society. >> we need reflect upon history and in moments of stress people will reach out and find other groups to blame for their own troubles without taking a look in the mirror and saying what might i be doing to cause my own misfortune, they'll blame others. that's a simple response. the basic fact is it's a choice. one can choose to be an anti-semite. one can choose not to be an anti-semite and unfortunately, there are too many people that feel emboldened as if their

words and deeds can help solve their problems which they don't. >> when you look at a situation like whoopi goldberg, everyone's experience in the world is largely or at least initially centered on their own identity. people can get beyond, that of course. how do you help people to get the impact of the holocaust especially younger people today and how it impacts the lives of people around the world today. >> we all know our neighbors and i can say that because i live in mr. rogers' neighborhood. his house is six blocks from mine. when you don't know your neighbors and you don't know their story or anything about them and that lack of knowledge leads to misunderstandings and eventually it proceeds in a negative direction until eventually it reaches what i call the "h" word. we don't do a good enough job ever getting to know our neighbors, understanding who they are and what they're about

and this separation, this lack of bridges from people to people is a serious issue in the united states because we live in silos. >> which is strange because you know, one of the promises of the internet and social media was that it would help people connect and it would bring people together and you could find communities -- i don't know if it's the death of local news, the closing down of newspapers around the country so you don't have much -- as much of a local identity and if it's people not joining together in community activities as much, but it does seem like things are more and more disparate even though we have easier ways to connect online with theme theoretically. >> sure, at least when it comes to the communication it is indeed easier, but the natural instinct of people is to associate with those that they

are most familiar and those that have the most similarity to. the silos exist in society and also exist on the internet. you'll hang out on the internet, whatever platform you use with people that you find commonality with. so it's transformed the internet from a place across exchange of ideas to this vast wasteland of silos. again, within the internet itself. >> when we see also the holocaust in the past few years, i feel, specially you've seen it trivialized by comparisons to the vaccine to mask mandates, people wearing yellow stars who are protesting vaccine mandates. i mean, what would your message to those people be? how do you break through to people who are doing that? >> through education. when people try to compare something that's in their lives

to the holocaust, what they don't get is there is nothing that you can compare to the holocaust. it is incomparable. there are no words to compare it. education is such a critical thing and there are plenty of opportunities and ways throughout the united states to learn more about the holocaust, to understand the roots of it, and how it could come to be and how regrettably there are signs that it can also occur once again if we don't study it as george famously said, if you don't know your history you are doomed to repeat it. so it's education. it's learning the root causes and trying to understand more about humanity through the holocaust. the holocat is want the be all and end all piece of education. it's a place to start to learn to understand. >> rabbi jeffrey myers, i appreciate your time. >> thank you, anderson. >> thousands of police officers

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a heartbreaking scene in new york today for the second time

in less than a week thousands of officers lined the streets to say a final farewell to another new york police department officer, william mora -- wilbert mora, i'm sorry, who was shot and killed last month along with his partner jason rivera after responding to a domestic violence call. both were host poft humously promoted. last night a officer was shot in dweens after two men tried to rob him on the way to work. it highlights a bigger -- across country police departments are facing staffing shortages due to covid. it is a tough time and it is always a tough time to be a cop but especially now. ryan young heard from police

officers. >> i've never seen morale so low. i've never seen the level of violence that we're seeing now. >> basically we're one bullet away from death and one mistake away from indictment. >> less people want to become cops and more cops wanting to leave the job earlier. >> police chief andrews routinely patrols her city and knows first hand the impact of officer shortages. >> the 911 call don't stop. people are still having emergencies and the emergencies don't stop, and certainly the emergencies don't care if, you know, you are 60% staffed or below. the expectation is that we continue the level of service that we've always done. >> maintaining that level of service is difficult when you are down 90 officers and constantly battling against covid and negative perceptions of law enforcement along with low wages. >> they've got to be able to support their families. we have officers that can't even

qualify for apartments because their income doesn't match up with what the apartments require. >> for decorated officers like newly retired atlanta police officer tyrone dennis, his pay didn't keep up with his career. >> it would be fool ush for me to stay for 48,000 when i have a wife and three kids to feed. for 48,000 and a family with three kids i can almost qualify for public assistance. >> to put this manpower crunch in perspective, cnn reached out to department across country. in seattle 356 of more than 1300 officers have left the police force over the last two years. in austin, they're short 117 officers. 15% less than what their workforce could be. in phoenix, 411 officers, 13% of their force and in philadelphia, that department is short some 440 officers and beat officers are feeling the pressure. john, the president of philadelphia's police union says

even finding people to apply has never been tougher. >> just last week we had a recruitment assessment. they were invited to come in for the initial assessment. we had 600 people that were invited. just shy of 200 showed up and out of 200 only 26 walked away moving on to the next step. >> despite the challenges, there are still standout recruits who are eager to join the force. >> i want to be a change in the community. i want to uplift the community and at the same time be a positive role model. >> in washington, d.c., 21-year-old webster junior is following in his father's footsteps, recently joining the force he wants to be on the fugitive task force squad and be in the community. >> meeting new people. sometimes you meet meet people and they're in the worst times of their lives. sometimes you might meet them where it's not too bad and you'll be able to joke with them, and just talk with them and meeting new people in general. >> webster believes his recruit class will make positive changes

in policing. >> police have to change to go with the times. societiy is changing, too. >> the typical police academy takes eight months to finish meaning it will take years to fill the open jobs at departments across the country. >> it's a trying time to be a police officer in this country, and that's the challenge. so police chiefs are wondering who are going to be the cops of the future? and part of that is how do we train the police differently? how do we select differently? all of those challenges. >> departments are trying to be more creative in their recruiting offering bonuses and traveling the country looking for the next generation of officers. >> this profession is something we were all called to do, and not everyone is meant to be the police and that's fine, but this profession is certainly a noble one. >> so one of the officers in the piece blamed the low recruitment officers on and what do they think can be done to reverse the trend? >> anderson, this is a real

problem. a lot of them were point to that pay as part of the real issue here and it's tough to get started being an officer. in fact, we're standing in front of a housing complex right behind me and this is for new recruits in the city of atlanta and they can stay here and it lowers their cost barrier to get into the force. every officer we talked about talked about changing the profession and they want to see real change in policing across the country. they want to be a part of it, but with covid, we can stay home sometimes and not commute. they have to go in every single day. they have to face that threat not only from covid, but from the public in general. it's been a tough few months for officers, as well as we talk about socially changing what's going on in the country, specially with policing. anderson? >> ryan young, appreciate it. joining us tomorrow night i'll speak with former nypd captain eric adams following his discussion with president biden about gun violence. still to come, a change in tone,

the great william shatner joins us to talk about what keeps him p positive suggesting that the nation has never been so miserable.

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in a little bit we're going to be talking about the latest news regards covid and why there may be reason for optimism. but where we've all been has taken it's toll. only 33% of people are satisfied with the direction of the country. 41% said they were happy with it last year, and 48% said they were happy with it the year before the pandemic began. the poll goes on and gets into the specifics of the current gloom, in order to get out of the gloom, we're going to flip things around a little bit and talk a few minutes about why there may be reason to be optimistic with someone who radiates positive energy even through struggle, and he joins

us now, the great william shatner. mr. shatner, thanks so much for joining me. it's great to see you begin. we last saw each other new year's eve. i wanted to talk to you about happiness. i recently listened to a podcast that you did, which was your "i don't understand" podcast, which you really enjoy. and the whole topic was happiness, and it got me thinking a lot about happiness. and this has obviously been a very dark time with covid and obviously the political situation in this country and the volatility -- you know, so much going on. >> to say nothing of the weather. >> please, let's not speak of the weather tonight. it's too painful. so, what -- what did you learn about happiness? what interests you about -- are you -- are you a happy person? >> i am and especially now because talking to you gives me great blushes. that makes me really happy. so, my advice would be for you

to talk to everybody and make them happy. this is stern. what makes me happy? so, i knew what the subject was going to be, so i made some notes. like, last night, i -- i drove an hour and a half where i met about 50 people and gave an hour's talk about them contributing to my charity, the hollywood charity horse show. did very well. and a lot of them promised a lot of funds. i got very happy about raising funds for somebody else. i drove down there, about an hour's drive, and drove back, and i had my son-in-law in the car. and we spent a couple of hours with each other, first time in a long time. and we talked about family and things. and i realized being with him and family made me very happy.

i -- i love horses, and i love dogs and people. but mostly dogs and horses. to be with my dogs gives me great pleasure. i sometimes put my head to my dogs' head and i think i'm doing a brain transfer. i think i'm communicating with my dogs. >> i think you are. you're doing like a mind meld. i believe that. >> and the same with horses, except horses can nip you and you've got to be careful of what because i've known people to lose their nose when thinking they're communicating with their no, sir. and there's one other thing that has made me very happy today. i got up this morning and i took a couple of deep breaths, and i realized i was still alive. >> that is -- that is a good thing. >> that made me very happy. but it was interesting because being alive can't be taken for granted. and the older you get, the less

for granted you take it. even when you're young, you can be hit by a car or, you know, some untorrid thing can happen to you and you lose your life so that every moment of your life is really very valuable. if you would keep that consciousness, you would be very happy all the time. >> my dad died when he was 50 and i was 10, and i spent my whole life thinking i would die by 50 as well because that's when my dad did. and when i didn't die at 50 -- i'm now 54 -- i have, like, i -- i view all of this as extra, and i take great joy in the fact that i am alive. >> that's perfect. >> yeah. >> that's perfect. >> it made me have an accelerated -- i felt like it made me work harder sooner because i figure i only had that amount of time. and then when i had all this extra time, i feel -- i feel joyful. >> i noticed -- i noticed your broadcasts aren't quite as good. >> well, you know what, there is something to that. >> now that you've lost that

imperative -- now that you've lost that imperative, you've gotten real soft, man. >> do you get down, like, watching the news and current events, or do you -- >> no, i -- yes. do i get down? oh, my god. we know that we're on the lip of -- on the precipice of a -- of a terrible event. i mean, global warming is the -- but there are little signs of, like, carbon capture. there's the beginning of carbon capture and buried in the rock. there are the beginnings of fusion, which will require no expenditure of energy to make the fusion. there are little, tiny signs of things happening that could be positive if they flourish in time. so, although i'm thinking, my god, my grandchildren -- i don't know how they'll be alive and where could they live and the

sea is rising and the storms -- you think this terrible storm is bad? wait til next year. i mean, it's just -- you know, it's just awful. but there lies glimmers, like, little points of light, that offer some kind of -- if we could just join them. if we could all just get behind them, if we all use our energies to do what is -- what we all need to do to make and conserve energy. it's there. we're on the edge of not being able to do it, but we can do it if we do it now. so, there's that imperative. but those are things that don't make you happy. >> that's a good note to end on though, catching those glimmers of light. >> yeah. >> i like that. william shatner, you are a glimmer of light in an otherwise orderless universe, and i appreciate it. >> well, we must talk again. >> any time.

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