within what the receiver thinks is probably a responsible amount of time. and i resent the expectation that i am supposed to just immediately respond to stuff, and i -- i resist it but i am an anomaly and literally, i feel lo like i have friends who have just given up on me because they are insulted, so am i wrong? >> i am totally, completely with you. um, the frustration that you just -- >> yes. clearly, i am very passionate about not responding to e-mails right away. you can catch it streaming live 6:00 p.m. eastern, mondays, wednesdays, and fridays at cnn.com/fullcircle. that's it for us. let's turn things over to don and "don lemon tonight." >> two things. i like the sweater on the full circle picture and i am dealing with that very issue right now. why didn't you call me back? why didn't you text me? i'm not available. i am busy. i have stuff to do. >> i resent when people expect

immediate responses. like, you know what? there is no -- >> and i am always apologizing. like, i'm sorry it took me 30 seconds to call you back or 30 minutes. and -- >> or a day. >> yes. >> so, i -- my standard is sorry for the delay. i was busy. but sometimes, you just -- like, i don't want to be available. i will get -- i will get around to it. is that so wrong? >> and also, maybe we shouldn't have to apologize because it doesn't have to be right away. >> if you don't text me back -- and you often don't -- i won't be offended. have a good night. i will see you later. this is "don lemon tonight." and we do start with breaking news tonight. of course, breaking news because we are in a crazy time. congressman bennie thompson, who chairs the committee investigating what happened on january 6th, saying they had what he calls a significant discussion today about whether to subpoena lawmakers who refuse to voluntarily cooperate. the committee has requested voluntary cooperation from kevin mccarthy, from jim jordan, from scott perry, in an effort to find out what they knew in the

lead-up to the january 6th and that insurrection and their communications with the white house on that day. and it's no surprise at all that these three people have refused to cooperate voluntarily. now, the committee is stuck trying to decide if it wants to force their hands and issue subpoenas. that, as we are learning more and more about the plot to overturn our free and fair election. it went so much further -- so much farther, i should say -- than the insurrection on january 6th. that was only the most visible part of it. the part we all watched in horror on live tv. but we are learning more about what was going on behind the scenes, both, before and after that shocking day. there is the plot at the doj where the former justice department official, jeffrey clark, allegedly helped the then president come up with a plan for him to replace the acting-attorney general and have the doj intervene in georgia to overturn its vote and give the state to none other than the former guy.

a source telling cnn tonight that clark, who stonewalled the committee for months, made good on his promise to plead the fifth more than 100 times. and then, there is congresswoman zoe lofgren -- she is a member of the committee saying that they are considering granting him immunity to get him to answer questions. sure seems like there is a whole lot of things that he doesn't want the committee to know, right? it's a different story for pence world, though. sources telling cnn that two aides to mike pence answered most of the questions they were asked in an exclusive interviews -- extensive interviews, excuse me -- only declining to discuss direct conversations with the then president. they saw a lot and they know a lot about what happened on that day when pence had to be hustled out of the capitol. well, he had to do that while rioters were chanting about m hanging mike pence, remember? hang mike pence. the pieces of the plot are co coming together. and they are coming together slowly but they are surely coming together. the committee has talked to 475 witnesses. they have got 60,000 documents

and they followed up on 375 tips to their hotline. meanwhile, "the washington post" is revealing a previously-unknown last-ditch effort to stop joe biden from taking office. memo circulating among trump allies in december of 2020, laying out a plan to seize top secret data from the nsa in an attempt to push the bogus claim foreign powers had intervened to steal our election. one more aspect of the big lie there. and then, there is the fake electors piece of the plot. the almost laughable effort to just replace genuine electors with trump supporters. can you imagine? that's true. sounds like, oh, you made that up. no, that is true. "the new york times" reporting that team trump was her laying the groundwork just days after he lost to joe biden and less than a month later, their own electors were meeting, like these in arizona, proudly doing it all on camera. it was right out in the open. republican party of arizona tweeted it out.

>> being the duly elected and qualified electors for the president and vice president of the united states of america from the state of arizona do hereby certify the following. a, that we convene and organized in the city of phoenix, county of maricopa, state of arizona, at 12:00 noon on the 14th day of december, 2020, to perform the duties enjoined upon us. b, that being so assembled and duly organized, we proceeded to vote by ballot and balloted first for president, and then for vice president by distinct ballots. and, c, that the following are two distinct lists won of all the votes for president, and the other for all the votes of vice president so cast as said. for president, um, donald j. trump of the state of florida, number of votes, 11. for vice president, michael r. pence and the state of indiana, number of votes 11.

>> they're very proud of themselves. how much kool-aid do you have to drink to not only serve as a fake elector, not only sign your name to a fake election certificate but to do it on camera and then applaud? at least one of those electors -- arizona representative jake hoffman -- seemed to have an awful lot of trouble recently explaining just how he got involved. >> so in unprecedented times, unprecedented action -- there is no case law. there is no precedent that exists as to whether or not a -- an election that is currently being litigated in the courts has due standing, which is why we felt it appropriate to provide congress and the vice president with the dueling opinions. >> did youave direction from anybody in doing this? was it you 11 yourselves doing this? or did someone give you advice

on the manner in which you can do it? >> so, i am simply -- i was one of the electors. >> right. >> i am not in charge of the electors so you would -- you would -- >> how did you hear it? >> you would need to ask the party chair about it. >> how did you hear about the plan? were you told to be somewhere? you are the person who received the call. you showed up, right? how did you know to show up that day? >> as i said, you can go ahead and ask the party chair the logistics of it. >> ask how you got a phone call to go somewhere? do you not know how you arrived at a place? >> i appreciate your question. thank you so much. have a great one. >> so, i am just one of the people on this show. if you want to know what is happening, it means you got to ask. you are free to ask all of these people in the studio. do you see how ridiculous that sounds? it's you, buddy. he wouldn't say how he heard about the plan. he wouldn't say how he knew to show up. he wouldn't say much of anything, beyond "ask the party chair."

pieces of the plot are coming together. but there is so much more that we need to uncover. so many more questions that we need to answer. and we need answers, too, right? i have said it before. our democracy demands that we hold accountable the people who tried to destroy it, and are trying to destroy it, quite frankly. that as there is no denying that crime is surging in cities all across this country. some big cities seeing more homicides in 2020 or 2021 than any other year on record. americans are demanding action to keep our streets safe. and today, president joe biden coming here to new york -- new york city -- with some tough talk on gun violence. calling for $300 million for local police departments. a national ghost gun enforcement initiative. and gun laws hike universal background checks. the president meeting with the new mayor of new york city, eric adams, former nypd captain.

>> you know, mayor adams, you and i agree, the answer is not to abandon our streets. that's not the answer. the answer is to come together and police in communities building trust and making us all safer. the answer is not to defund the police. it's to give you the tools, the training, the funding to be partners, to be protectors, and community needs you. >> the mayor had a message on with anderson just a little bit ago. >> unfolding on our streets, every day, places like chicago, detroit, atlanta, san francisco, new york, we were witnessing this violence that was ice hated i isolated to black and brown communities and as though no one saw these crises. we talked about assault rifles but never talked about the handguns that was really carving highways of death in the communities of color across america. this president has taken a different direction. he took his spotlight, and he

stated that we are going to look at this gun violence and we're not going to allow it to continue. >> well, some in the president's party -- are you listening -- can learn from the mayor's approach. it's not about defunding the police. it never has been for joe biden, even though you'll hear that from republicans and right-wing media. joe biden has never said he wants to defund the police. but did you notice his change of tone on the crime bill that was such a big issue for him in the campaign? >> what's your view on the crime bill that you wrote in 1994 which showed prejudice against minorities? where do you stand today on that? >> well, first of all, things have changed drastically. that crime bill, the black caucus voted for it, every black mayor supported it across the board. >> was it a mistake to support it? >> yes, it was. but here is -- here is where the mistake came. the mistake came in terms of what the states did locally. >> now, he is using it to make the point that he is not soft on crime.

>> i've noticed in my experience when i wrote the first crime bill, i noticed that, you know, i don't hear many communities -- no matter what their color or their background -- saying i don't want more protection in my community. i don't know. i haven't found one of those, yet. >> and that's where we are tonight. the president taking on gun violence and the pieces of the plot to overthrow our election, coming together. good evening, everyone. this is where we are. i want to talk about the rise in crime and gun violence with the former-new york city police commissioner, bill bratt, and he tells us his thoughts and you want to hear them, right after this. t. [limu emu squawks] woo! new personal record, limu! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪

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president biden in new york city today to take on the rise in violent crime and gun deaths. the president meeting with law enforcement and the mayor of new york city -- the new mayor, eric adams, laying out how he wants to fund the police and take on illegal guns. joining me now, bill bratton, he is the former new york city police commissioner and author of "the profession, a memoir of community, race, and the arc of policing in america." um, commissioner, thank you.

always enjoy having you on and i love your -- your -- your candor about what we need to do here. so, good evening. welcome. the president was clear today in his speech that the answer is not to defund the police. many democrats, including president biden, have never supported that. but with crime on the rise and police under fire, we are glad to hear that message. i'm sure you are, as well. and more people need to listen to that message. would you disagree with that? >> i am very pleased to hear the president coming to center once again. eric adams, the mayor campaigned from the center and won the election in new york because he was in the center. the center, being a place where there is a commitment to do something about crime to try to prevent it, try to respond to it, throw your hands in the air or try to reform it in a way that you actually create more crime, which is unfortunately what is happening in too many american cities. but the president and certainly the mayor for their efforts to try to regain control of this

issue, once again. >> um, you know, commissioner, my friend and former d.c. metropolitan police officer, michael fanone, says that this is about the -- this is the position police are in across the country. listen. >> it's like we're in a culture war. we're being utilized for pander to by different political entities and really pitted against members of the community. um, at least that's, you know, the appearance. but in reality, i think, police officers are are getting fed up. um, we don't want to be pandered to. we just want the resources that we need to keep communities safe, and citizens are tired of it as well. >> listen. he talked to me about these issues all the time. and um, and especially about the frustration in the communities and when actually when i am with him, you can hear the frustration out there in the community. that is a pretty terrible position for officers to be in.

>> well, you can also hear from the community growing fear. i have been in the police business for 50 years. i have never seen a time -- so demoralized, so defamed, diminished in the sense of cops leaving the profession in droves because they no longer feel respected. they no longer feel supported and the public is beginning to become very fearful. recent polling shows that behind the inflationary pressures, crime once again has moved up to number two. so, we are in a very interesting place. the good news is that -- that fear is creating a lot more public attention to what has gone wrong in the last couple of years. this turmoil has just occurred within the last two to three years. 2018 was the safest year in the city -- history of new york city and one of the safest in the country. but politicians try to change a system that was working, created the chaos that we are now in.

and we now have phenomenal rates of crime in so many american cities. >> can i ask you something, commissioner, before we get too far afield here since we are on the subject? listen, there is a place for activists and there is nuance here so don't ge get me wrong about what i am saying. but do you think that the -- the politicians are listening to activists more than they are listening to the people who are actually in the community about what they -- what they want from police and what's important to them as far as crime and safety in their communities? >> i think over the last several years, activists, criminal justice reformers, and even elected officials who are elected by the voters have taken us to a bad place that their voices -- the squeaky wheel gets the grease. good news is what they have been advocating for or what they have been preaching has turned out to be pretty disastrous. body counts increase, victims

increase as the fear increases. that is what the president today was attempting to address. recognize that it has now reached a national level. as eric adams understood when he was campaigning for mayor mayor in new york city, there was a palpable fear growing and they both have plans to try and alleviate some of that -- some of that fear. good news is the nypd is very good at this despite its demoralized, diminished state at the moment. last year, they took 6,000 guns off the streets of new york. so if they can get reenergized, if they can get resupplied, if you will, if they can get refunded, they can regain the energy and they can show the rest of america how to do it. precision policing is the way to go. >> we talked about that. we have spoken about precision policing a lot. let me ask you about -- i'm sure money helps. the president is calling on congress to give an additional $300 million to state and local law enforcement agencies. so, if you are going to fund the

police, what is the best use of that money? and should more of it be spent on social services? the better question is what should it be spent on when it comes to policing? >> in any respect, should go directly to the training. so much what they get criticized for, so much of what they get jammed up doing that is caught oftentimes on cameras, because of lack of training, lack of deescalation training. lack of training on drug identification. different types of drugs have different types of effects on people. and you need to understand what drug a person is on because you are going to treat that person in a different way. so, i would advocate and have been advocating that the funding go very specifically to training. also, to encourage officers to come into the profession in the first place. separate funding for all of these social programs, many of which we know work and can be designed to work very closely with the police. we are experimenting with that around the country.

i began it back in 2006 i think in los angeles where we had smart cars. i had a police office and i had a trained clinician to go to the mental ill calls that would come in because they were trained to specifically deescalate a situation, understanding was this person schizophrenic, bipolar, what was the potential mental illness? because again, you have to know what the person suffering from before you can treat them. good news is we can now apply that learning. >> commissioner, i want to ask you something quickly if you can because as you know, you -- you have done this many times. i have got to move on. i got other stuff to cover but i want to ask you what is the solution -- um -- when you see people -- when the message is being sent from officials that, you know, you can jump the turn style, it may not be prosecuted, probably won't. um, you see people walking out of stores just, you know, not -- they don't even care if the

security guard is there or -- just stealing things at will. what is the solution for that? two things. is it the right message to send? and what is the solution to that? how do you fix it? >> i hope you see the smoke coming out of my ears because we had the solution in the '90s. you deal with serious crime by also dealing with quality of life crime. what you are talking are so-called victimless crimes. the victim, however, is in fact society. the victim is the neighborhood that loses the local rite aide. the victim is neighborhoods that go into decline because of fear of what is going on and seems to be out of control. i go out of my mind with how much we have let behavior slide. that's what we corrected in the '90s. that's how we got the city so safe. learned how to do it in a better way that we are basically not abusing people while we are doing it. to get back on track here in new york city, get back on track in the country, we can focus more seriously on serious crime more

effectively but if we don't, also, focus on what you are talking about -- the leniency that we give to these people who are breaking these laws -- we are never going to feel safe. and so, this is something i read about in that book. it's something i lived 50 years -- something i learned 50 years ago. focus on crime at the same time. >> and you said the way you do it, without -- you have to, um, be cognizant of people's rights when you are doing it because you talk about stop-and-frisk and all of that and why it was stopped. >> it's compassionately, constitutionally, and consistently. the three cs. we know how to do that. we know how to train for that. basically, the goal is to train so they do that and then we regain the trust of the community and then we can, together, take back our streets and our subways and our neighborhoods and our cities and our states. >> thank you, commissioner. i appreciate it. my best to your lovely wife of

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voluntary cooperation from kevin mccarthy, jim jordan, and scott perry. all of them have refused. tonight, the committee is still not deciding on whether or not to subpoena them. joining me now to discuss, cnn chief political correspondent, dana bash, and cnn's legal analyst and former-federal prosecutor elliot williams. good evening, to both of you. let's see. elliot, let's start with you. i want to start with this exclusive interview. the atlantic journal constitution, it has the fulton county district attorney who impaneled a special grand jury to investigate trump's pressure campaign on the georgia election officials. she spoke out about the blowback she has gotten for doing her job. watch this. >> you know, i get called n very regularly. it's really silly to me that they believe that, by hurling those kind of insults, that it's going to impact the way that we do our investigation. it's not going to impact me to

do something faster. it's not going to impact me in treating the former president or anyone else unfairly. and it's not going to make me stop what i have a lawful duty to do. >> all this comes after the former president called the prosecutors investigating him racist. is he stoking this kind of thing? >> yeah. look, sticks and stones, don, they can call her the n-word, but at the end of the day, she is got a special grand jury and the most thing about special grand juries is, number one, they are not time bound. it can extend far into the future. number two, she can seize documents, she can seize testimony and they are not going to be considering a whole bunch of criminal cases at once, which is what normal grand juries would do. this is just focused on that issue. and so, um, you know, regardless of the blowback and the fact that this has become so politicized, at the end of the day, she has a very powerful investigative tool and it looks hike she is going to use it. >> yeah. well, did you hear her? she is like -- like this is not

stopping me. they can do whatever, say whatever they want. it's not gonna stop me. hi, dana. you know, we heard the former president call for his supporters to stage huge protests if prosecutors move forward with charging him in any of the probes he is facing. these officials face not just name calling but the potential of physical violence here. now, that is scary. >> it is. and it's not like we haven't seen the ramifications of those calls for potential -- you know, in this last event that he had, he called for protests. but we know the -- the lengths to which the supporters of donald trump will go to heed his call, to heed his -- his desire to do whatever it is that he is asking. and in this case, you're right. the fact that he called african-american prosecutors racist was -- wasn't a dog whistle.

it was a megaphone that he had and he used it on the -- the highest level. and everybody needs to really focus on that, and focus on what is happening. yes, she is standing firm and of course she has to. that's her job. she is gonna do that. but we have seen this inaction and we have seen the result of this kind of language and rhetoric from the -- the former president when he was still president. and it's -- the -- the fact that there is an investigation going on of that, and it's being whitewashed while he is doing it again for a potential nother situation that he is gonna be in -- it's -- you just can't make it up. >> no. no. let's talk about these subpoenas, too. chairman bennie thompson telling cnn they are weighing carefully, um, but issuing subpoenas to members of the congress would be a significant escalation by the committee, don't you think? how would that go down on

capitol hill, dana? >> not well. but it's already so partisan. it is so political. and it shouldn't be because the attack happened to and on all of them. they were -- they were victims, their staffs were victims of the attack on that day. but what could happen is that if the -- if they make the decision to send out the subpoenas, which is -- you alluded to this, don -- a very, very big decision to subpoena your colleague, the likelihood that they would actually come, com ply, and do anything other than plead the fifth, probably slim to none. i mean, elliot's the attorney here but just on the politics of it, this is no reason for them to take any political chance since they have already laid down their marker saying they are not going to cooperate. >> let's ask attorney elliot -- excuse me, what do people call you? attorney elliot? >> sir. sir is fine, don.

or your honor. yeah. >> esquire. >> elliot. >> listen, though, seriously, if these congressmen fight the subpoena, it could end up in the courts and drag on past the midterms if they were going to try this should they have done it by now? >> well, look, dana is exactly right. it comes down to one question, don. how much of a circus do you want to turn the january 6th committee into? and if you are willing to bring a circus, then yes, issue the subpoenas. um, if not, it -- you know like dana says, what you would be inviting is a much larger political fight. what they have right now a pretty well structured legal proceeding. yes, it operates in a political body, congress. but at the end -- it would become political armageddon and every time a congressional investigation plays out, that is a calculus that congressional investigators have to consider, which is how much of a mess do we want to bring on our hands? it may not be worth it because you are getting a lot of information from a lot of sources including done k

congressional staff. >> former doj official jeffrey clark appeared before the committee yesterday, and pleaded the fifth before -- the fifth more than 100 times in questioning. i mean, just tonight, zoe lofgren telling erin burnett they are considering granting ch chark immunity. how does that work and what would it mean? >> so couple things. one, the mere fact that you have a former-justice department official seeking immunity because the fact that he thinks he might have committed a crime. that is why witnesses seek immunity. they are immunized against the statements being used against them in a future proceeding. so what congress would do is just work out with the justice department that he won't be prosecuted based on his statements. the problem here is that he has privilege claims because he is an attorney, would have been providing heel advice to the justice department or the president. um, it's hard to know what -- what giving him immunity would actually do because he still have some safe ground that, you know, he could claim privilege

over. really, what the immunity would do is it would be symbolic, almost allowing him to save face sort of. so i don't think he would gain a ton from it in this instance. in some cases, you get a lot from immunizing a witness because you get a lower-level person to go up and testify against somebody else. here, because you are really not going to get much testimony out of him anyway, it just may not be worth it. >> thank you both. good to see you. >> so the owner of the miami dolphins denying that he offered a top-nfl coach big bucks to lose games. john elway is denying allegations of a sham interview. the latest on the lawsuit rocking the nfl, after this. at morgan stanley, a global collective of thought leaders offers investors a broader view. ♪ we see companies protecting the bottom line by putting people first. we see a bright future, still hungry for the ingenuity of those ready for the next challenge. today, we are translating decades of experience

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so, top nfl brass pushing back against brian flores' lawsuit alleging racial discrimination across the league. broncos executive saying flores'

claims are false and defamatory. he alleges other executives put him through a sham interview process in 2019 showing up an hour late and looking hike they had been drinking heavily the night before. elway says for brian to make an assumption about my appearance and state of mind early that morning was subjective, hurtful, and just plain wrong. if i appeared disheveled as he claimed, it was because we had flown in during the middle of the night, immediately followed another interview in denver -- following another interview in denver, and were going on a few hours of sleep to meet the only window provided to us. the new york giants, also, denying flores' claims of a bogus interview calling them disturbing and false. but flores is also getting some major support. two dolphins assistant coaches saying that he is a true leader. so joining me now to break all of this down, someone i love having on, mr. bomani jones. the host of espn's the right

time with of course bomani jones. this is a huge story. elway is pitting himself -- putting himself -- pitting himself directly against flores. so, the giants are doing it, as well. i spoke with flores last night. his claims sound credible. it is obvious, the nfl has a race problem. there is just one black head coach. are you surprised about how forceful these denials are? >> i am, actually. um, i did think flores put himself in a tricky situation when he started to presume about why it was the broncos' brass might have looked the way it did and then come back and say hey we just got off a plane. i don't know what to say to that and i don't think brian flores would know what to say to that but the larger issue is of course the part that prevails or stands out. the giants in their forceful denial. that one is surprising because john elway at least seems to be in a position where i am more inclined to believe what he said. what flores had to say about the giants, that seemed to add up.

seemed to lay out a pretty strong timeline to make the case he was trying to make and the giants came out on the other side. the nfl has made the decision, considering their statement came out immediately saying this was hl all baseless before they even had a chance to look at it. they are not going to try to let this lay low. they decided they are going to fight back hard. >> yeah. you have gotten a little attention -- a lot of attention, i should say, for saying the problem with the nfl is white people. although, you did clarify, you said not every single white person. explain why you felt it was so important to say that. >> the -- the question i was asked is what has to change for these things to change? now, after that, i probably phrased that in a way that i should not but the question very clearly was what has to change? and what i was saying is what has to change is white people. and that is the truth in this. whether you are talking about the white people that have the power to make the decisions or the white people in the position to observe this and also themselves have power to be influential in ways that people of color simply cannot. but the thing that isn't changing is the behavior

patterns of the people who are in charge, and who the people are who happen to be in charge so that's what has to change. what gets to be frustrating for someone like me is when these stories come up, my phone blows up and people ask me what the solution is as though i somehow created the problem or as if i knew the solution, i would not have long ago implemented it. like, if i was sitting here with the cure for cancer, somebody's what are we doing? you know, i was just waiting on somebody to ask me. no, i would have gone ahead and done something about it but when it comes up, nobody asks white people what needs to change even though they are in much greater proximity to the potential to actually make something change. >> well, i -- i have to ask you about it but i don't see where it's controversial. i understand exactly what you are saying. so, you know, i -- there was no apology. there was just -- you were just clarifying, right? >> yeah. i mean, also, the idea, though, that that's something that has to be asked. not everybody has to be acknowledged in the course of these discussions. >> got ya. >> like the point that i was

making -- i agree with you i think it's clear and don't necessarily think it's controversial but what it comes down to and what i can very clearly say for anybody that did not understand it is, asking the people who are taking the brunt of a racist situation what needs to change is completely missing the point because if our opinions on that mattered that much, we would have been made something change, right? people just got to ask us to throw something out there about it. the people who can make something change -- nobody asks them how they are going to do. >> right. and the folks in the league who are the problem should be the ones asked how are they going to fix this? and, yeah, i agree with you. so, two dolphin assistant coaches are publicly supporting flores and many former-nfl players are also coming to his defense. watch. >> i think he did an admirable job, very noble to -- to -- to basically risk obviously his -- his future as -- as a coach in the national football league by standing up for something that

he believes in. >> we are commodities. commodities that can be replaced. commodities that can be sold. commodities that can be traded. and so, when brian flores speaks of it in that nature, it's absolutely true. >> the idea that you could take brian flores, who is a black coach, and has a hard time getting a job and ask him to tarnish his reputation and to blow which is probably going to be his only shot because black coaches have a hard time getting that second opportunity so that you can get a draft pick is unethical and despicable. >> so, he is putting a lot on the line here and there are lots of calls for other people to stand up for him. what do you think? will that happen? >> i mean, the thing about it is if we can acknowledge the courage it takes for flores to do this. whether or not you think he is correct is separate from the fact that he put this on the line. this isn't the dude on the verge of being out of the league. he is right around 40 years old. there was still reason to think that he could get a job with

something along those lines and he decided to put this on the line. i don't know how many people it's reasonable to expect to be willing to make the same sort of risk that brian knoflores did s think we will probably hear from some people. i am wondering who this law firm has probably heard from who is not willing to put their name on the record necessarily but my buddy howard brian makes this point and he is absolutely correct. why do we always have to sacrifice our careers or our livelihoods in order to make something change? because that's what we're asking of all the people in this. to roll the dice on what you work for to get the bit that you have, in order to make something change. why do you have to put everything on the line in the name of something that really we're not even asking for or talking about something that is a disproportionate share. like the rooney rule is just about job interviews. like, to get somebody to do something fair, we are asking people to put everything they have on the line and that's just, like, ridiculous on its face. >> i am glad you said that. that the -- the rooney rule is

just about job interviews. it's not about, you know, how many people you have to have because there are people saying well it was quotas and whatever. i have heard that part. and that's not what it is. bomani, always a pleasure. i always learn something from you. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. hundreds of thousands without power tonight thanks to a winter storm pushing across much of the u.s. we are live in one of the cities being hit the hardest, right after this.

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and ice, hundreds of thousands without power tonight. meteorologist derek van dam is in minneapolis for us. you get all the great assignments and, yes, that is sarcasm. you're in one of the cities that's supposed to be hit the hardest right now. how do you feel right now? >> reporter: not to correct you, i'm in indianapolis. not the warmest of assignments but the snow is starting to come to a end. it has been a brutal 24 hours. we drove in from south bend yesterday, a drive that normally takes two hours to get here to indianapolis, it took us four hours. we could see grass on the ground because it was raining here. all this snow has accumulated since we've been here. 24 hours we've accumulated six to eight inches and all that rain that fell last night, the temperature dropped, we have a sheet of ice underneath all of the snow. that's what making this so

treacherous for the hoosier state. the ice storm crippling parts of the ohio and mississippi valley, looking at you, louisville, dallas, all the way to texas, this storm is huge. it stretches all the way from maine to the gulf coast. there are tornado watches, flood watches and ice warnings. cover a third of the population, 25 states. this thing is quite significant and packing quite a punch. >> i see one car out there. i think i said you're in indiana. yeah, you can correct me. i don't mind. i just have a couple seconds left. what about power outage concerns? >> reporter: ohio the numbers are going up. in tennessee we're at about 140,000 customers without power. it is improving in texas. that is good news for those people there that were fearful of more power outages from a winter storm.

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