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the former vice president standing up saying his boss's claim that he could overturn the election was wrong, and even more remarkable perhaps is that him saying that was a big deal at all. yes, he told the truth which, sadly, in this moment is news making. on the other side of the coin, today, from the same party was this. the republican national committee characterizing the attack on the capitol as, quote, legitimate political discourse. and punishing two members for serving on the committee investigating january 6th. there is also this, a cnn exclusive, that the committee has evidence casting doubt on another party member's fuzz yay counts of his oel role on that day. jim jordan. the same lawmaker republicans tried to appoint as a member of the committee, in spite of the possibility he could be implicated in what amounted to an attempted coup. it has been quite a day for democracy and what used to be known as the grand ole party. redeeming it somewhat, both the party and the day, mike pence who called january 6th one day in january, well this afternoon while speaking to the federalist
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society, he broke with the former president who is now openly praising the insurrection and dangling pardons for the rioters. >> january 6th was a dark day in the history of the united states capitol. lives were lost and many were injured. but thanks to the courageous action of the capitol police and federal law enforcement, the violence was quelled, capitol was secured, and we reconvened the congress that very same day to finish our work under the constitution of the united states and the laws of this country. >> the former-vice president also spoke to his role that day, taking direct aim at the former president. >> the only role congress has with respect to the electoral college is to open and count votes submitted and certified by the states. no more, no less. but there are those in our party
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who believe that, as the presiding officer over the joint session of congress, that i possess unilateral authority to reject electoral college votes. and i heard this week, that president trump said i had the right to overturn the election. but president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. the presidency belongs to the american people and the american people, alone. >> just a reminder, this has never been in doubt until the former administration or for that matter until 147 republican lawmakers either to please the president, pander to constituents, or simply because they truly believed they could, cast votes on the 6th to overturn results in contested states. now, remember, too, mike pence being able to overturn the election isn't something the former president dreamed up a year ago, and has since thought the better of. he said so explicitly just this week. so given the climate, what mike pence said today constitutes a brave stand. as does this from the rare few at today's event and within the
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party willing to actually speak the truth about the election out loud on camera to our randi kaye. >> joe biden won the election. uh, so i don't -- you know, i don't know what more i can say. i mean, joe biden won the election. um, the role of the vice president in that is very ceremonial. um, they counted the electoral ballots, the members of congress voted to certify. joe biden won the election. >> got a full report from randi in our next hour. the sad fact is, though, what he told her and what mike pence told the crowd is at this moment not within the republican mainstream. here is what is. today, the republican national committee formally censured representatives liz cheney and adam kinzinger for serving on the house select committee. the resolution obtained by cnn accuses the two of -- and i quote -- participating in a democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse. that's what the rnc says. that's what they are calling this. it's hard to imagine this is
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legi legitimate political discourse. then again, it is also hard to imagine josh hawley, sitting u.s. senator, raising his fist in solidarity that day to the gathering mob. but there ya have it. and yes, those were the exact words of the resolution that was adopted. rnc chair ronna mcdaniel subsequently tried to scuttle away, scurry away from them but put out a statement adding the words, quote, that had nothing to do with the violence at the capitol. her uncle, utah republican senator mitt romney, tweeted this today and i quote. shame falls on a party that would censure persons of conscience who seek truth in the face of vitriol. honor attaches to liz cheney and adam kinzinger for seeking truth, even when doing so comes at great personal cost. in this republican party, that is a brave tweet. that's about it. he is an outlier in the party that once nominated mitt romney as its presidential candidate. he is now an outlier. cheney and kinzinger, outcasts, despite being conservatives and
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the likes of congressman jim jordan, we alluded to at the top of the broadcast and will discuss a little later in the program. they are the ones who speak for today's gop. joining us now, conservative lawyer washington post contribute columnist, george conway. this was the strongest rebuke of the former president. i wish we had played the -- the applause at the federalist society because it wasn't as if there was a rousing standing ovation, and he was carried out on the shoulders of the members of the federalist society after that. >> well, i don't know. i am not able to judge the -- the amount of applause on the video. but i will tell you this. that the conservative lawyers, as -- for the most part, agree with pence. and were appalled at what happened on january 6th and -- and -- and have -- and there -- and have no qualms about that, about saying that. and that's what happened with, you know, bill barr. bill barr went in and he -- he, you know, to his credit, he -- you can criticize him for other
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things but to his credit, he -- he told the president that, no, you can't seize the -- you can't seize the ballot boxes or voting machines and he told the president to his face in the oval office, president trump, that you lost the election and there is no basis to claim fraud. and he -- you know, he got screamed at for it. and you have also all the lawyers at the justice department, other than one, who basically threatened to resign if trump put into place as acting attorney general, the one guy who was supporting the stupid and foolish electoral fraud claims. and that's why trump had a lousy set of lawyers in the end because the real lawyers, the real conservative lawyers in the real law firms wouldn't help him. and so, yeah. you know, i don't think that -- i -- i -- i think that the -- it makes absolute sense for pence to have picked this audience to make this statement at this time. >> do you think -- well, i mean the context obviously of this is also important. i mean this week alone, we have seen pens aides testifying one by one cooperating with the
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january 6th committee to -- to an extent. there are some things they apparently wouldn't talk about. we found out that the committee is going to receive pence's records from the national archives. how do you think the former president is going to react to pence's comments? or what does this do to pence's standing, you know, for his own presidential ambitions? >> well, i think we already -- we already know that. we already saw that because i think what really triggered this speech this week was the -- the former president's statement that he issued over the weekend, where he basically said that the person who should be investigated is mike pence for not overturning the election. i mean, he -- once he basically admitted -- trump admitted that he was trying to overturn the election. and then, he -- you know, in -- in an incredible example of psychological projection, he's urging an investigation of mike pence which is completely insane. and -- and i think that's, you know, there's -- you know, there's no upside for mike pence in -- um -- in -- in kowtowing
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to donald trump anymore if trump's going to be saying that. and trump, you know, and to his credit, again, pence did what he did on january 6th was to follow -- which was to follow his oath of office and -- and the constitution of the united states and -- and it's just better for mike pence in the eyes of history to take ownership of that in -- in a more emphatic way, which is what he did today, to his great credit. >> does it make any sense that the rnc put out this official resolution equating a violent attack on the capitol with -- um -- you know, the -- the -- i want to get the wording exactly right -- uh, with -- with legitimate -- i don't -- i forgot the wording -- legitimate political discourse. and then, ronna mcdaniel coming out later and say which, you know, had nothing to do with the violence that occurred that day. when, in fact, that's what they are investigating. they are investigating the attack on the capitol.
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>> right. i mean, what -- what ronna romney -- excuse me, ronna mcdaniel said was complete nonsense. i mean, if they wanted to make clear a difference between a legitimate political discourse and the violence at the capitol, they could have been more specific in the statement they issued in -- in the censure that they issued. but they didn't. and the fact of the matter is they are just lumping everybody together, including the insurrectionists and that's what trump has been doing by -- you know, he is talking about pardoning these people and he is not making distinction between the people who have been charged with seditious conspiracy and people who just happened to watch the rally and went home. and the fact of the matter is it goes -- i mean, the criticism i think from the republican national committee is that somehow the -- the -- the january 6th committee has exceeded its mandate, and gone beyond what happened that day. but you -- it hasn't really, and you can't not -- you can't just look at what happened within a
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couple -- two-block radius within capitol hill for two hours on january 6th because it didn't just happen, you, know, accidentally. and it didn't just happen randomly. i don't know who they are talking about when they talk about legitimate political discourse. are they talking about the people who are breaking glass and assaulting police officers and throwing fire extinguishers at them and dragging them down concrete stairs? are they talking about the people who put up the gallows to say hang mike pence? are they talking about the people who signed fake electoral votes and submitted them to the national archives and to the congress of the united states at the behest of the trump campaign? are they -- are they -- is it legitimate political discourse for john eastman and -- and that fellow in the justice department, jeffrey clark, to basically make -- make fake theories about that overrule the constitution and overrule the 12th amendment and overrule the electoral count act of 1887. um, you know, those two guy -- i mean, are they -- is it
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legitimate political discourse, those two who have now pled the fifth amendment before the january 6th committee? i don't think so. and so, you know, it -- it's hard to know who they are talking about here who is engaging in legitimate political discourse who is somehow being harassed by the january 6th committee. if somebody -- if somebody was engaged in legitimate political discourse on -- on january 6th or days leading up, they have nothing to fear from the january 6th committee or anyone else. >> and i mean, to -- you know, the -- that mitt romney is now such an outlier in the republican party, a man who was the nominee for the party, is just extraordinary. i mean, romney, bill cassidy, you know, also speaking out against this censure of kinzinger and cheney. um, but the majority just silence. it's -- it's just -- i don't know. it's stunning. >> it is stunning. and -- and sad. i mean, we -- we've gone from -- from, you know, cowardice to depravity really in the republican party, the rnc.
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it's just horrific. >> george conway, appreciate you being with us as always. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. coming up we have new exclusive cnn reporting that seems to establish what one january 6th figure has been notoriously reluctant to pin down, namely exactly when did congressman jim jordan speak with the former president on january 6th? and later, what to make economically and politically for president biden of today's unexpectedly strong job numbers. people everywhere living with type 2 diabetes are waking up to what's possible... with rybelsus®. the majority of people taking rybelsus® lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than 7. rybelsus® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes.
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>> i'd have to go -- i -- i spoke with him that day after? i think after? i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i -- i just don't know. i'd have to go back and -- i mean, i don't -- i don't -- i don't know that -- when those conversations happened but, um -- but what i know is i spoke with him all the time. >> so, obviously, a little confused this or hazy. whatever adjective you want to use to describe it. now, here he is in october during house contempt proceedings against steve bannon. >> when did you speak with the former president on january 6th? before, during, or after the attack on the capitol? >> of course, i talked to the president. of course i talked to the president. i have been clear about that. i talked to him all the time. of course, i talked to the president. i talked to him that day. i have been clear about that. i don't recall the number of times. >> is it before, during, or after the attack on the -- >> i talked to the president after the attack. >> so later in the hearing, congressman jordan told republican congressman tom cole,
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quote, i may have talked to him before. i don't know. but all i am saying is i had nothing to do with any of this. still doesn't really clear it up. however, there is new reporting that cnn's paula reid joins us with that. >> anderson, jordan's recollection of that day has been inconsistent at best. two sources tell cnn the house select committee has records now that show jordan spoke with the former president for ten minutes on the morning of january 6th. now remember, that afternoon jordan took to the house floor to object to the certification of biden's electoral college win. less than an hour before pro-trump supporters attacked the u.s. capitol and these records were actual glichb to the committee after trump lost his bid at the supreme court to keep them out of the committee's hands and they reveal a request from trump to get jordan on the phone from the white house residence that morning followed by this ten-minute call. >> and what's jordan saying about it? >> well, anderson, our colleague annie asked jordan about this today and he told her he had multiple calls with trump on
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january 6th but he could only confirm that he spoke with trump after he left the house floor and did not remember whether they spoke that morning. now, lawyer for trump and his spokeswoman did not immediately respond to our request for comment. >> and i am sorry, do we know exactly what time this call was? the ten-minute call? >> not at this point. we know that it was in the morning. we know trump left the white house around 11 -- around 11:00 a.m. but i don't think we know specifically from the call logs, the time of the call. >> and -- and what could be the fallout here? >> well, jordan has refused our request to voluntarily cooperate with the house select committee's investigation. and in their letter, requesting his cooperation, the committee specifically said it wanted to talk to him about communications with the president, as well as asking him about meetings he had with white house officials and trump in the weeks leading up to the attack. look, the committee is still weighing whether it wants to take the next step and issue a subpoena for their colleague. but inter but interestingly, anderson, today, jim mcgovern tweeted this
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cnn reporting directly contradicts jordan's testimony to the rules committee last year and he tweeted suggesting it might be time for jordan to go before the january 6th committee and speak honestly about what happened. >> yeah. paula reid, appreciate it. thank you. i spoke to chairman mcgovern just before airtime. congressman, thanks so much for joining us. when jim jordan was asked a similar question to the one you asked him in the same hearing by republican congressman tom cole, he said quote i may have talked to him before. i don't know. him, in this case, obviously being the former president. do you think congressman jordan didn't remember a ten-minute call with the sitting president of the united states? >> well, how can you not remember a call with the president of the united states? and i asked him very specifically, you know, did you talk to him before, during, or after? he said after. and so, he was very, very explicit. and so, you know, it is -- it -- it doesn't seem possible to me that anybody could not recall talking to a president of the
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united states. and so, um, you know, clearly there is a contradiction between what he said to me and -- and what we now know as a result of the january 6th committee. and i think he -- he owes it to the country to go before the january 6th committee and answer some questions. >> it is also not just any day. i mean, in the past jim jordan said well i speak to the president every day. but every day is not january 6th. january 6th, obviously, was an extraordinary day. and anybody who spoke to the president on that day, i would think, would -- would of course remember. >> right. and somebody who spoke to the president before the attack came upon the capitol. i'd like to know what they talked about. um, i mean, every day, we learn more and more about what went on leading up to january 6th. everything from the president wanting to use the military to seize voting machines, to now finding documents that he tore up personally that are now being put back together. i mean, there is no doubt that
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what happened on january 6th had its roots in the west wing and what worries me is that we have members of congress that are covering up for the president or they may be complicit in this. and so, i think it is important for him to come forward and answer questions before the january 6th commission. you know, i want to know -- you know, i want to know, um, all that he knows. >> you say you think it's important that he do it. do you think he actually will, though? i mean, there is -- >> look, i think -- >> go ahead. >> i think he owes it to the country. i think he owes it to the country. look, anderson, i was the last person off the house floor on january 6th. i assume the chair after speaker m pelosi was whisked away. i saw rioters trying to get at us by smashing the window in the speaker's gallery. so, what happened that day was -- was terrible. people died. 140 police officers were wounded. staffers -- democratic and republican staffers -- were
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traumatized that day. you know, for a member of congress to turn a blind eye to that, to try to cover up or to continue to pledge his allegiance to the former president is unconscionable. he owes the american people the truth. we need to get at the truth. >> the -- the list of unconscionable behavior is quite a long one, sadly, these days. do you think there is a clearcut answer whether or not a member of congress can be subpoenaed by a congressional committee if it came to that? >> well, i'm not, you know, an expert on all of that. i'm not -- you know, i leave that to the attorneys. but just out of a sense of decency, you know, i am going to tell you one of the reasons why i feel so strongly that people -- you know, that i -- that i -- one of the reasons i feel so strongly that republicans not take control of the house and the senate in the midterms is because, based on the behavior of people like jim jordan, kevin mccarthy, and others. i mean, it -- to do -- to have that happen is tantamounto turning the keys over to the insurrectionists. um, you know, jim jordan is the
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ranking republican on the judiciary committee. if they were to take over, he would be the chairman of the judiciary committee. let that sink in. so, he owes it to not only his colleagues, to all those who suffered on that day, but to the american people to tell us what that conversation was about and anything else knows that is -- that is important to the committee understanding what happened that day. >> congressman jim mcgovern, appreciate your time. thank you. >> all the best. well coming up tonight, the surprising jobs numbers that president biden is chaerl thankful for. a live report from the white house and a conversation with john king about if the biden administration can capitalize on it heading into midterms. that's next.
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president biden spending this evening at his delaware home. he left the white house at the end of a far more encouraging week for the administration than it had in quite a while. two days after the death of the isis leader during a u.s. military attack, the president celebrated monumental economic news at home. the economy, adding a surprising 467,000 jobs last month. and revised numbers -- jobs numbers show employers added 6.6 million jobs during biden's first year in office. that's the strongest first-year record of any president. >> our country is taking everything that covid is throw at us and we have come back stronger. history's been made here.
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it comes alongside the largest drop in unemployment rate in a single year on record. the largest reduction in childhood poverty ever recorded in a single year. and the strongest economic growth this country has seen in nearly 40 years. >> the president also noted the economic cloud still hanging over the country from inflation and his approval ratings, of course, remain underwater. our chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins joins us now. so was the white house expecting the report to be as positive as it with uz? >> not even close. they were actually pretty relieved today when this came out, anderson, because they had been preparing reporters behind the scenes saying they did not believe this was going to be a good jobs report because look at when the data was collected. it was peak of january, when covid cases were about 800,000 per day. you were seeing millions of people stay home from work, workers not going out and seeking work. and so, they were very worried it was going to be another one of those bleak jobs reports. and you have seen, you know, month to month over the last several months, it's been really unpredictable and economists have often been way off in their
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predictions. they were way off in a good way this time and you definitely sensed this sense of relief from officials today talking about these numbers. >> yeah. clearly, the president wanted to the success of the numbers to the american people. how does the white house plan to i guess make the most of this? >> well i think this is a jobs report where the president can come out as he did today for about 20 minutes and tout it and talk about not only what these numbers show, saying there are a lot of good indicators here. but also taurking about the things he has done, that he believes contributed to this. talking about the american rescue plan that was passed once he first took office. talking the infrastructure man and the effects you are going to see from that and trying to say this is proof my plan and the economy is working. but, anderson, of course, what they have to do with that is also talk about the domestic legislation that is stalled on capitol hill, the build back better plan we know senator manchin said he would not vote for in december. he recently said the plan as it is, is dead. they are going to have to start
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from scratch if they want to do a smaller version. of course, the president today also acknowledged the inflation numbers. and we are expecting to get more consumer price data next week. those numbers are expected to be very high. and that has been a main concern for people. and so, the president noted today gas is a lot higher than people normally expect it to be. groceries a lot higher than people expect them to be and so he says they are working to address that but the question of how quickly those numbers can come down, and what is actually in his capacity to do will affect the way that he sells the numbers that came out in this report today. >> kaitlan, stay with us. i want to bring in chief national correspondent and host of inside politics, john king. john, could a strong labor market be a sign of hope for this white house in the midterms? >> well, it's a sign of hope, anderson, and if you are the president, if you are his team or a democrat, february 4th looks a hell of a lot better than january 4th in the sense not only do you have the new job numbers from last month so there is a bit of momentum here. is one jobs report going to fix the prbz's problem? absolutely not. so what can he hope?
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he needs another one, another one, another one. d we ever been on this roller coaster, no matter what you do for a living, you are exhausted, you are anxious, you are frustrated from covid and the economic domino effect of covid. so the president needs three or five of these in a row. the unemployment rate at 4% or lower and then he needs the covid numbers to keep coming down aggressively as well. so that we are in february now, let's say where are we easter sunday? where are we memorial day? are the jobs numbers continue to be great, the covid numbers significantly down, then maybe the president can get a reassess and rethought from the american people but it is great to have a jobs win a at your back. the president was quite candid today. there is a kick in the teeth from inflation. >> kaitlan, we have heard from a number of veterans of the obama administration lately they feel there wasn't enough done to highlight the progress they had made before the 2010 midterms. how much is that on the mind of
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the white house i am wondering as they move toward the midterms now? >> i think it is absolutely on their minds and you heard the president say today, you know, talking about the job numbers that you saw overall for 2021 of the he was saying if you can't remember the last time you saw that, it's because you have never seen it because it never happened before because it is record shattering but that's also because we saw record-shattering job losses because of the pandemic. but i do this i the white house is trying to hammer home this message of here is something positive, something positive, something positive. there is also inflation. but they want to talk about the several good indicators that you have here because they don't feel like that's showing up in the numbers. though, you have heard people. david axelrod talked about this. you can't tell people how to feel. they feel how they feel and if people feel bad about the economy, that is something you as the president and as the white house have to deal with. i think one other thing they will try to highlight in the coming months is saying actually in november and december, there were 700,000 more jobs than we estimated initially and i think
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that is something the white house looks at because these jobs reports come out. and you see the numbers and they are bad or they are way off. and then, they are revised upward later on. but that is, of course, after it is already in the mind of people here's what the job report looks like, here is what the economy looks like. >> john, everyone knows, you know, james carville, it's the economy, stupid. employment and presidential popularity are not always close tied. i just want to show a comparison here. in the last two administrations, l little over win year in, obama had a higher approval rating than president trump or biden at the same time in their first terms. former president trump very low unemployment. extremely unpopular. could it be more true that low unemployment could help make a president popular but not necessarily that does make them more popular. >> yes, and i think that's one of the risks the president's had. kaitlan went through the litany of statistics the president cited today and he is right to cite them but it's not how most voters think. how do voters feel? i remember in the '92 campaign,
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when james carville was using that slogan the bush team was furious because they thought we had come out of a recession and all the numbers supported them and then president bush kept citing statistics. people didn't believe it because they were tired. it is how do people feel? so watch the president' approval rating, watch consumer sentiment, watch the right track, wrong track numbers. those numbers have to change for the president and democrats to have a chance. history is against them in a midterm election. the math is against them because margins are so close in both the house, where it is a handful of seats, and the senate where it is no seats. so they need to change the psychology of the american people. and if you lecture them, that is very risky so the president needs months of this. he needs people to just exhale, feel better, and then think okay, i am not as mad. i don't need a piñata. the president right now is the piñata. everybody wants to hit something because they are so fruts traited from two years of covid, and he is the piñata. something else he could do is, anderson, even if the economy goes perfect for democrats, even if covid gets better for the democrats, histovi against them.
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he needs some help from republicans, too. the big challenge for republican in this campaign, do they help themselves? or do they make mistakes as they have in the past sometimes and help democrats? >> john king, thank you. kaitlan, before you go, i got to ask you what is going on with the lighting behind you? are you at a disco? >> a lot of people have been tweeting asking about this. it's because of the olympics, the white house is lit up tonight. kind of fun and festive on a friday night, we are hanging out. so it is for the olympics, of course, go team usa. >> i was wondering the white house on a friday night. >> disco. you know? they got to make some money. >> the president's in delaware so they turn it into a disco. date kaitlan collins, thank you. john king as well. outrage is growing today after minneapolis officials released body cam footage showing the deadly police-involved shooting of a black man during a no-knock raid. details, ahead. wow, look at all those! you get hungry for more and then you're just like, “wow, i'm learning about my family.” yeah, yep.
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minneapolis police are facing scrutiny after city officials released body cam footage today showing the deadly shooting of a 22-year-old black man named amir locke during a no knock raid wednesday. his death is also bringing more
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criticism to the use of no knock warrants especially after a similar incident in 2020 when 26-year-old black medical worker, breonna taylor, was shot and killed by police louisville, kentucky, but police said they did announce themselves. her case pushed cities across the count trory to move or reig no knock raids. cnn correspondent omar jimenez has more. >> just before 7:00 a.m. wednesday, a minneapolis police s.w.a.t. team uses a key to enter a city apartment. then, bursts through the doorway searching the apartment, police say, tied to a st. paul homicide investigation. instead, they found 22-year-old amir locke appearing to be sound asleep on a couch. locke then seems to wake up when they kick the couch, and body-camera footage shows him holding a gun. >> you can see, along with an individual emerging from under the blancket, the barrel of a gun. the involved officer was just
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outside the frame in the direction that barrel is emerging from the blanket. >> cnn has not been able to confirm where the officer is but as locke begins to stand, three shots. >> the officer had to make a split-second decision to assess the circumstances and determine whether he felt like there was an arctic you'llable threat. that the threat was imminent harm. >> locke's family said he was in legal possession of a firearm when he was shot. the family and their attorney criticized police procedure. >> no lawful gun owner could have survived this situation. >> this is the definition of no knock in seven seconds. seven seconds. that's it. and amir had no choice. >> it is unclear if this particular breach was originally designated as a no knock warrant but attorneys also took issue with the timing before the shooting. there is no announcement prior to entering that threshold and
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they give amir no time to save his own life. a and that's something that we don't see white citizens encounter and the fact that it is happening in minneapolis, again, is beyond tragic. >> after the shooting, police say they immediately provided aid and officers carried locke to the lobby to meet paramedics. locke was then taken to a local hospital where he died. police now say he was not named in any search warrants. >> at this point, it is unclear if or how he is connected to st. paul's investigation. >> reporter: the subject of the warrant wasn't found in the apartment and the minneapolis police officer who fired his weapon, mark hanman, is on administrative leave per department policy. locke's mother spoke out today, expressing outrage over her son's killing. >> i believe that he was executed by the mpd, and i want
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the police officer that murdered my son to be prosecuted and fired. >> reporter: police say they are now assessing whether proper procedures were followed and the mayor of minneapolis is promising a full-criminal investigation of the shooting. >> this video raises about as many questions as it does answers. truth and justice must be our guiding principles. >> as the interim chief and the mayor left the room, activists expressed frustration. >> when will you release the search warrant? >> transparency. you are a murderer! >> this is what we have been fighting against since george floyd was killed. running away from accountability and transparency. >> my son -- >> locke's father trying to control his emotions, said his son was a law-abiding citizen from a law enforcement family. and wants the officer to be held accountable. >> he forced amir to respond to protect himself, as any law-abiding citizen would do and
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has the right to do. >> omar jimenez joins us now. the mayor of minneapolis has announced a moratorium on no-knock warrants. what is the latest? >> yeah, anderson. so he is putting a temporary hold on those no-knock warrants, except for in situations of imminent threat or if they ever been approved by the chief of police, which is stricter than what it was before. no-knock warrants were never banned in the city of minneapolis. but they were saved for high-risk situations, which were determined by supervisors. in this particular situation, the interim police chief said that both a no-knock and a knock warrant were obtained for this and the decision was left up to the s.w.a.t. officers to decide what they were going to use to make entry. but the city would not comment on what decision factors -- what decisions were made leading up to this particular breach. separately, the st. paul police department announced that no arrests have been made in that homicide investigation that prompted what became this eventual shooting and that the
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corresponding warrant has been filed under seal. anderson. >> omar jimenez, appreciate it. thank you. ahead. change of pace that we all can use on a friday night. america's obsession or maybe my obsession with the game wordle. monica lewinsky, i am going to talk to her about it, next. we'll be right back. all he did to manage his symptoms... day after day. still came the belly pain, discomfort, and bloating, awful feelings he tried not showing. finally with the help of his doctor it came to be, that his symptoms were all signs of ibs-c. and that's why he said yess to adding linzess. linzess is not a laxative. it helps you have more frequent and complete bowel movements, and is proven to help relieve overall abdominal symptoms belly pain, discomfort, and bloating. do not give linzess to children less than two. it may harm them. do not take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. get immediate help if you develop unusual or severe stomach pain. especially with bloody or black stools. the most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. if it's severe, stop taking linzess and
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okay. so just four months after its debut, wordle may be the hottest online game of 2022. i don't know if you've heard about it. it's so popular "the new york times" has announced it bought wordle from its creator from an undisclosed price, at least a million dollars, seven figures they said. "vanity fair" contributor writes about her fascination in a new piece intiled why wordle is a new favorite thing to do in bed in the morning. and she joins me now. monica, it's lovely to have you on the program. when i read your piece in "vanity fair," i was so excited to know that i am not the only one who's obsessed with wordle. and it's all -- i mean, it's all so recent. we're all so kind of newly in love with wordle.
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it's only been a few months it's been around. >> exactly. exactly. i think i'm on game 23, day 23. i know i could relay my stats exactly. >> we're still in the blush of a new romance, and it doesn't -- the reality hasn't yet set in. and it hasn't done things to harm us yet. wordle seems -- everyone loves it. no one has turned against it yet. at some point i feel like people are going turn against it. >> i don't know. maybe it'll be an anomaly of sorts. i think it's funny we're in that place it keeps becoming that thing of, oh, my mom is playing. probably my therapist is playing. just more and more people that you're meeting, everybody is -- everyone's doing it. >> my doctor turned me on to wordle and said that it's good for your brain to play this game. the thing i like about it -- for those who don't know, it's -- how do you describe it? >> it's addicting. for those who don't know, right?
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so, it's this -- you get to choose the -- you get to choose your first attempt at a five-letter word. >> there's a secret word. it's a secret five-letter word and you have to guess what it is. >> right. and everybody -- and there are all these different strategies. do you have a word that you start with? >> i do. yes. so, you have six tries. i think we have my wordle from today. you're only allowed to play once a day which is the other thing i really love about it, that you're not allowed to obsess about it and play it, you know, endlessly. they just allow you to play once, which i just -- i love that in this age where we want to do everything all the time. this is -- it's a very slow pleasure. >> yeah. you get to savor it. i think instead of that world we live in now where it's that consumption of more and more. you have something to look forward to. you really enjoy the simplicity of it.
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i also find if i wake up in the middle of the night, i'm like, oh, god, i'm tired and want to go back to sleep, but there's that moment of oh, there's a new wordle. >> my strategy is, i use the word "arise" or "arose" as my first guess because it has -- and i read that in -- i think it was "new york times" had, like, some hints on wordle. and that was a suggested first word. and i find it very effective. do you have a first word that you use? >> i usually use "stare," s-t-a-r-e. i used to be obsessed -- i'm still obsessed. but wordle is my new obsession. i love a puzzle, but i was introduced in the uk called code word. it's if sudoku and cross word had a baby. the things i learned from there about, okay, everyone knows go for the vowels. but there are also certain letters which are used way more
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often than others. i find the a and the e are the vowels that get used the most, the s, t, and r. so, you have that landscape there. i don't know if you have this frustration, but a few weeks ago there was a rule that i didn't know was a rule or something you were allowed to do. and it was -- i spent -- not eight hours continuously. but eight hours had passed and it was like what is this beep-beep word. and everybody on twitter had gotten it and theye posting their little images with all their green squares and i felt like such a loser. >> it's not a competition. that's what i like about it. i don't feel in competition with anybody. when we put our wordles today we didn't put the letters because it's still, the ones we play today it's still an active game so we don't want to ruin it for other people who may play today's wordle. it's not an app you have to download, at least for now. at least -- you google wordle
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and you can just play it. >> yeah, it's -- i love it. you know, i really -- now next time i see you, we're going to see if wyatt -- how soon wyatt will be able to. >> but it's funny, now that i know you play, i may be reaching out to you just for, like, you know -- just to compare every day how we're doing in wordle. >> mr. "jeopardy!" champion. i don't know that i want to be comparing with you. >> there are some days wordle just gets you. it's the one game a day i like. it's very -- it's like just a -- it's like a palate cleanser. >> it is. yeah, it is. and i also -- i really like -- i think one of the reasons people have warmed to it too is there's just kind of an essence and the origin story around the guy created it for his girlfriend. >> i love that story. >> you know, it's a sweet grand gesture. >> well, your article is lovely and funny. it's "vanity fair," appreciate it. monica lewinsky. thank you so much. >> thanks, anderson.
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>> wordle. coming up, randi kaye's report from the site of mike pence's speech today. the reaction from people there. that's next.
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