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tonight president biden warning russian president

vladimir putin. >> i think he has to realize that it would be a gigantic mistake for him to move on ukraine. the impact on europe and rest of the world would be devastating. >> racial gaslighting, how the former president and some conservative allies are trying to recast racism, claiming white men the victims. parents demanding end of no-knock warrant after son was shot to death by minneapolis police. >> no-knock warrant is what caused amir's death. >> he wasn't killed or murdered, he was executed. >> want to begin with cnn white house correspondent and professor at university of baltimore school of law and former federal prosecutor. thanks for joining us. john, we have president biden saying flat-out if russia

invades, nord stream 2, a gas pipeline from russia to germany is dead. but german chancellor wouldn't go there. this is what he told jake tapper. watch this. >> you can be absolutely sure that germany will be together with all its allies, especially the united states, that we take the same steps, there will be no differences in that situation. what we do today is giving very strong message to russia, if you invade the ukraine it will have a high price on you, high impacts on your economy and chances on your development. we're ready to take steps that will have cost for us. >> what is at stake and why won't germany explicitly say the pipeline is done? >> well i think it's domestic political reasons, don. for why chancellor scholz will not say nord stream will be done if russia invades. there's a big constituency for

the pipeline in germany. germany uses a lot of russian gas. if there's invasion and disruption not from the pipeline that doesn't have gas flowing yet but a disruption in gas supplies, energy prices are going to go up in germany and other places, too. i think scholz is wanting to avoid blame for making that happen. larger message is he stood at white house with president biden, said they were going to be united. biden took responsibility, saying i'll shut it down if russia invades. that's probably the larger message sent to vladimir putin of course while emmanuel macron, the french president was with putin and we'll see what progress he's able to make. >> turn to donald trump's efforts to overturn the election.

sat down with the district attorney and asked about her investigation. watch. >> this is a criminal investigation, we're not here playing a game. i plan to use the power of the law. we are all citizens, mr. trump, just as every other american citizen is entitled to dignity, he's entitled to be treated fairly and will be treated fairly in this jurisdiction but i plan to do my job and that's to get the evidence that gives us truth. i'm not concerned at all about games to delay this. >> how worried should the former president be about this investigation? >> it's a little strange it's going on this long. that suggests it's maybe beyond just the phone call to say please find enough votes to swing georgia to me, famous phone call now with brett raffensperger. i do think it's unprecedented to

indict a president but we're beyond that in this moment. there's so many mounting problems circling around donald trump, so much wrongdoing. i mean tearing up documents, taking them down to mar-a-lago, it's head spinning, the legal boundaries that were crossed by this president. so if some accountability doesn't happen, then our justice system is really flawed and the presidency and separation of powers is really flawed. i know that sounds like a political statement but it's very interesting to think about, don, what is happening in america after listening to your coverage of the 100,000 troops at the ukrainian border, that's taking over a country from the outside. we understand that. when america, with donald trump and those around him, cronies in congress and others, what's happening is takedown of the country from the inside-out.

it's a little more insidious and harder to see. so i'm glad to hear a prosecutor say she's going to go where evidence takes her and not be bothered by fact this man used to sit in oval office. hope she adheres to that pledge. >> talk about national archives having to go to mar-a-lago to take back documents. he routinely ripped up documents. >> donald trump was a lawless president. you know, kim was just talking about the threat from the inside to the united states. donald trump was the leader of that threat. and he did not care about the presidential records act. routinely destroyed documents. aides, to their credit, retrieved some of the torn pieces and taped them together, sent them to the archives, but other things that should have

gone that president trump kept that raises the stakes for what kim was talking about. all the body language that i get from watching fani willis, if she thinks she can make a case, she will bring it against former president trump, question is can mark short on meet the press said would be unprecedented to subpoena pence. >> it's difficult to subpoena vice president to talk about private conversations he's had with president of the united states. it's never happened before and we have concerns about the committee. >> should the committee compel the former vice president to testify, kim? >> i think so, if he's not going to work out a deal.

historically the way it worked, people in government complied with the requests and worked something out. remember bill clinton testified about the famous dress, monica lewinski and the stain on the dress, to kenneth starr, a sitting president. how far we've come, it's congressional not grand jury but people need to understand we really are in the twilight of democracy. we could lose it, it's happened in our lifetimes, there's no reason whatsoever we're entitled to the freedoms that come along with democracy. the bill of rights, and o sue u. there is a criminal statute if donald trump willfully took

records could be a crime but as i said, it's hard to keep track of these things but we can't be numb to it, don. people need to get out and vote for people who are going to uphold the constitution and rule of law. if you're not doing it for yourself, do it for your kids or grandchildren. we've all enjoyed the freedoms that come with democracy. once you have one party rule by someone who doesn't respect the rule of law, your rights are on the chopping block next even if person.moment this is your it's important this came out, and important to keep in mind that the american taxpayers played for professional archivists to tape the pieces back together. can't make it up, don, it's crazy. >> every time you think if someone wrote this, we would say this is crazy. >> can i have a postscript there?

>> go ahead, john. this is crazy. >> fani willis is one of the prosecutors that donald trump attacked the other day as racist. reason that he called her racist is because she's black. he was trying to use, i know you're going to be talking about that later in the program, trying to emphasize racial animus as a reason, an explanation why she's going after him. it's false, we all heard the phone call. he was trying to prompt raffensperger to get votes he didn't have, but that's typical of donald trump using whatever tool he can find on the playground to whack whatever object of his derision he's looking at. >> thank you, john, kim. appreciate it. bring in peter weiner, fellow at the center.

former adviser to president bush. thanks for joining. you have a new piece in the "atlantic," saying electoral defeat has pulled him into dark place and wants to pull rest of us into it. he's obsessed with being a loser. very well stated by the way. when rnc is describing january 6th as legitimate political discourse, is this proof his effort is working? >> large part of the republican party is getting pulled into deeper and darker places, but that censure of liz cheney and adam kinzinger was telling, it's almost undisguised in terms of celebration of the insurrectionists on january 6th. even a year ago there was effort to try and distance the republican party from it, say that antifa was part of it, that's now changed. now you're taking these people

who -- this mob, violent mob, celebrating them as martyrs. reason that's happening is donald trump did it first and has done it repeatedly. the republican party, trump says jump, they say how high. that censure resolution with the rnc was a telling moment and discouraging moment. i think an example of the moral nihilism that's gripped a lot of the republican party. >> and gripped a lot of the country as well. trump is making people think this behavior is okay. people actually think that lie and get revenge, whatever. you write about this. said he's obsessed and enraged, consumed by vengeance, moving us closer to political violence. his behavior needs attention not because of the past but because of the future. a second trump term would make the first one look like a walk in the park. gop pulling behind him, is the

party legitimizing political violence? do you believe that? >> well, i mean we saw political violence on january 6th, seems as if some parts of it, the censure resolution is legitimizing it. if you're taking people who are insurrectionists and turning them into martyrs, that's what you're doing -- those not entire gop and fortunately the political violence is not widespread at this point, but this is very dry grass and people are using flamethrowers. membrane between peace and lawlessness is a lot thinner than people think. when you have someone with donald trump's power, it's like a cult of personality for maga world, saying what he's saying, doing what he's doing, we're edging close to it.

i understand by the way the impulse to try to get trump in the rearview mirror, i have that same impulse, a lot of us do, worn down by the trump presidency. but we can't do it. because this person is not just a former president but dominant figure in the republican party. he is setting the tone and style and approach of the republican party. he may be the nominee in 2024, and we may want -- wish he would go away but he isn't going to exit the stage. if that's the case, rest of us have a civic duty and obligation to call this out, name it, stand up against it. and to fight for a country that we love is and worth preserving. >> peter, thank you so much. appreciate it. read his piece in the "atlantic." thanks peter. is it time to let kids go to school without masks? how will we know when to roll back the measures we'll bfr

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>> surge is fading and multiple governors are peeling back the school mask mandates. you've been clear how the pandemic has impacted kids. is it right time to let them go to school without masks? >> well, truth is, don, needs to be guided by facts on the ground. vaccination rate, positivity rate, transmission rate. and needs to be guided by science and not politics. these facts might change. that's what worries me most. people already feel whipsawed by the changing recommendations, but unfortunately the reality posed by covid is just that. seeing decline of omicron as you said, but pi and rho may be in the future. wearing masks is like rain coats, check the local weather, dress accordingly. and reputable meteorologist, not just facebook friend for the forecast.

>> reputable health person right? reputable doctor or science expert. >> absolutely, making analogy to the weather. >> just making sure people get it, sometimes they don't. go ahead. >> check with your local public health officials about the risk of transmission in your particular area. that's the thing, by the way, states don't tell the whole story. that's other thing wrong about the statewide decisions. within washington there's a big difference between seattle and eastern washington in terms of the risk of getting covid. >> so what is happening wherever you are locally. look at science and figure it out. but is there -- we could revert back, right? things could revert back. could be a dangerous variant, new variant. the situation is fluid. >> it is. and i think masks are going to

be on our horizon for foreseeable future. i think everyone as i said, be ready to take them off one month, put them on another. states are making them effective in march. mid to late march, and none of us has a crystal ball, could be the case before the recommendations go into place they're withdrawn and will be maddening for some people. >> should the white house still be saying masks in schools? does that create confusion with parents? >> unfortunately that's the case with covid for many months now, conflicting state recommendations, municipality and state, i understand why parents find it difficult to figure out what's best for them. i've been long in favor of trying to get all of us, especially children, back to

sense of normalcy as soon as possible. from our perspective, as soon as it's safe for any children in any school district to get back their lives, should enable them to do it. >> for mental health as well. not only physical health. let's talk about vaccines for kids under 5. pfizer applied for emergency -- for authorization, excuse me, two doses for kids 4 and younger. however in december the two doses did not produce expected immunity in 2 to 5-year-olds, are we going forward assuming third dose will be effective? what's the science, what do we know? >> good question. part of what is lost to people, when the recommendation says two doses aren't effective, didn't mean all children. nothing magically happens with third or fourth dose. what we saw with adults, initially recommended two, then decided you need a booster.

so what that means is that we don't achieve high enough level of immunity in enough children to be certain that the vaccine will work on balance. so just like your child may need to get five doses of polio vaccination before they're immune, doesn't mean they're not immune after two, three, four doses, just the likelihood they're immune is much higher. we make recommendations for vaccines based on safety and efficacy. we know a lot about the safety of the covid vaccine now. over 10 million 5 to 11-year-old children have gotten it safely. the low dose we're giving, we know it's safe. i'm very, very confident based on what i know, not as much as the experts that make the recommendations know, by the time kids are due for third shot we'll know in fact it does proffer enough protection.

what i say to parents as pediatrician, what would i do if it were my child. if i had a 2 to 5-year-old, i would immunize them. >> always a pleasure, be well. >> take care. former president attacking black prosecutors, republicans going after president biden for promising to nominate a black woman to the supreme court. next guest reports it's part of the effort to turn the definition of racism on its head.

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the former president claims black prosecutors investigating him are racist. his supporters in congress claim it's discriminatory for president biden to pick a black woman for the supreme court. next guest says they're trying to recast white men as victims. white house porter for the "washington post," thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> start with the former president with accusations of racism against the black prosecutors investigating him. watch this. >> if these radical, vicious, racist prosecutors do anything wrong or illegal, i hope we're going to have in this country the biggest protest we've ever

had in washington, d.c., in new york, in atlanta and elsewhere because our country and our elections are corrupt. they're corrupt. >> at another rally, falsely claimed that white people don't get the covid vaccine or have to go to back of the line for treatment. why is he claiming that and other white people are victims of racism when it's really not the case? >> i think it's because it gives him power. i talked for this story to one political scientist who said what's worst thing you can call somebody in america today, up on the list is racist. once you labeled enemies, opponents, people with opposing viewpoints racist, it gives you power and takes power away from them at the same time. particularly for trump who is under investigation, who may see power waning. question is whether or not that is going to actually give him and his allies more power and

credence to their points. >> president biden's decision to nominate a black woman to the supreme court has sparked backlash, including from gop senators. >> irony is the supreme court is at the very same time hearing cases about this sort of affirmative racial discrimination. >> yes. >> and while adding someone who is beneficiary of this sort of quota. >> he's saying if you're a white guy, tough luck. if you're a white woman, tough luck, you don't qualify. >> there's a lot of history that goes behind who has been on the supreme court, had access to that. they frame biden's pick as discrimination against white people when white people have made up vast majority of the court since its inception. do they actually believe biden's pick it racist or is this rhetoric?

>> one of the things i sought to understand is less about whether they believe it, more if it works. >> it's worse if they don't believe it, frankly. >> could argue it's disingenuous, i don't try to get inside the head of these folks, but i am trying to understand whether or not it resonates with their bases, if people are seeing things happening at their jobs, with kids at school, feelings on critical race theory and whether that impacts whether they vote in 2022 or 2024, who gets what vote and what power. >> so what is ted cruz or donald trump's definition of racism? how do they see it differently than black americans? >> their view of racism, extrapolated by what they've said and their thoughts, in

order to be nonracist, it has to be completely race neutral in every possible way. if you put the scale -- thumb on the scale for any person because of reasons other than merit, you have traipsed into the area of being a racist. all of these corrective measures that we talk about when we try to dismantle systemic racism in america, those they say are the things that are actually racism. >> they should look at the names of the women batted around, overqualified, frankly. you write this about trump and his allies. to make america more equitable they argue everybody should be treated equally and white men not in any way disadvantaged. that's what i was getting at. how much is reaction to attempts not to disadvantage white men who had the advantage historically, but open up more opportunities for everyone? >> yeah.

and there the most important thing in this is the perspective that they're looking at. or they're trying to tap into. because if you look historically over the arc of our nation's history, there is a correction that a lot of people say just needs to happen, has to happen. if you look right now at impact that's having on particularly white men at this moment. if you're a white man trying to get a job, trying to get into higher education, and you see the thumb on the scale for anybody else that's not you, you're seeing it as discrimination. what trump and cruz and wicker are tapping into is that sentiment right now, which sort of ignores the historical weight that webster's or historians, sociologists look at over time corrective measures with racism. >> we'll continue to have you back. appreciate it.

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sleeping, officers burst in on him. body cam footage shows him holding a gun, but family says legal firearm, and he was not named in any warrants. parents are demanding end to the use of no knock warrants. >> do you blame the officer or the system that put this officer in this position in the first place? >> the no-knock warrant is what caused amir's death. >> the whole system. he wasn't killed or murdered, he was executed. >> parents of 22-year-old amir locke want to end what led to their son's killing, no-knock warrants, which let police enter without announcing their presence. or knocking. police burst into apartment where locke appeared sleeping, shouting commands. he started to get up. holding a gun he had legal gun and opened fire. parents see it as failure of law enforcement.

>> professional people who carry guns to protect and serve a community, they didn't protect my son that day. they chose not to do that and they took him from me and i am angry. >> love that i have for my boy, my boy, was dashed. >> it's an issue that extends beyond minneapolis and has for years. in chicago in 2019, officers executed a no-knock warrant based on bad information. barging in on young, who was naked and later handcuffed in her own living room as officers searched her place, guns drawn. in 2021, the city limited no-knock search warrants to situations where knocking and announcing would be dangerous to the life or safety of the officers serving the warrant or another person.

but young wasn't killed. in louisville, it was a different story. breonna taylor was shot and killed after botched raid turned into hail of gunfire, and the fallout led to total ban on no-knock warrants in the city, in minnesota, the locke family are fighting for the same. city updated policy to limit but not eliminate them in 2020. >> even now the mayor said there's a moratorium on no-knock warrant except in these situations. we have to challenge them not to put a band-aid on. why are we not making changes preemptively that stop amir locke before that happens. they need to take the step to ban the no-knock warrants, it's not safe for either side of the door. >> the current moratorium allows for warrants if there's imminent

threat and approval by the police. locke's legal gun puts him in roughly 24% of black adults who say they own a gun. country wide. leaves family wondering what else he could have done to survive. >> son, lying on his stomach, like he sleeps, cover over his head, didn't see what was coming, couldn't see what took his life. >> something at root of minneapolis that has to change. when you talk about knowing how your son sleeps, i know how my children sleep and what is going through their minds at that moment. >> nothing they can do can bring our son back. best thing they can do at this point with no knock warrants and prosecuting the officer who decided to play god, fire him. prosecute him. and just tell the truth. we messed up.

>> he is -- this is just to say, my son is a hashtag. >> they remember him as more than that, talkative, curious about the world son whose smile still brings mom comfort. in 2020, minneapolis executed 139 no-knock warrants per year. dropped to 78 in 2021, this year we've seen 11 according to the city. late 2020 the city updated the policy not to ban them outright as mayor jacob frey has been criticized for giving impression of, but use them more sparingly in high-risk scenarios. >> thank you, omar. the white house considering a policy to limit no-knock warrants but is it time for outright ban? for my phlegmy cough. what about rob's dry cough? works on that too, and lasts 12 hours. 12 hours?! who studies that long? mucinex dm relieves wet and dry coughs.

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>> yeah, don. i think the time has come to evaluate whether or in the no-knock warrants have outlived their usefulness. now, i understand that police will use them, really, typically for two reasons. number one, you don't want evidence destroyed that you might be looking for. drug and other evidence. number two, you gain a tactical advantage if there is a perceived threat. having said that, let's take the hat off the huh and look at common sense. in the event that you are in your home and someone's barging into that home and you are an owner of a weapon, what would be the first inclination? to believe that you are under attack. as a result of that, you are going to respond in kind. and so, i think from a perspective of protecting the community and people who are living in residences, who are visiting residences, who are occupying residences, you have to put an end to it. and from the perspective of protecting the police who will be subject to this gunfire, you have to end it there.

i think, on both sides of the equation, it only leads to one thing. and that's death, it's destruction. it's despair. i think that policymakers have to take a real chose hook at whether or not these are useful, and serving their purposes. i think if you look at recent history and prior history, the answer to that question is no and the time to do something about it has to be now before we get another amir locke, breonna taylor, et cetera. how many names do we have to say, in order for an examination to be conducted and for an end really to -- to come to these warrants? >> on friday night, joey, i spoke with amir locke's parents. um, here is what they said about their son legally owning a gun. >> he made sure that he did his research. he -- he was -- everything was going to be legal. >> yes. >> because they have been watching, all their lives, about what's been unfolding throughout this nation. um, you know, on our black males.

and i was proud of my son. he -- he picked out his weapon. he did what he needed to do. um, basically, be safe with it. how to use it. and he got his permit. >> so, they say that they had spoken with amir and his brother about how to interact with police, so that they can quote live to see another day. what -- what does it say that black folks are concerned about legally owning a gun and the danger that could -- that that could pose for them? >> i think it a says an awful lot. i mean, first of all, you look at the second amendment and the second amendment is the foundation, right? we talk about the fact that people can own guns and be responsible gun owners. why should that calculus change because you happen to be an african-american male? and so, i think under these times where african-american males are perceived to be a threat in general, i mean, you could only imagine in the event that, you know, an african-american male has a gun. oh, boy, that makes it even more a perception of a threat.

and putting you in a false light. and so, you know, i think at the end of the day, responsible gun ownership is responsible gun ownership. irrespective of who you are, what you are, how you look, your creed, religion, et cetera. and anyone who wants to have a gun should have one. but the fact is that to be killed inside either your own home or a home you are occupying or any other residence, you know, it -- it's just a tragic scenario by any means. and i think we have to re-evaluate people in positions of authority who have this ability to have these no-knock warrants that are leading to the loss of lives that should not be lost. and so, just a tragedy, heart goes out to his family. but how many times are we going to have prayers for families? i think it's about time we start praying for our policymakers they do the right thing, enact the proper legislation, and protect the public who are being killed at rates that are just unlawful, inappropriate, and just shouldn't happen, don. >> joey jackson, thank you, sir.

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