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stolen even if they didn't take it to this extreme. keith felt he mattered and he was a part of history and made a ton ton of friends, so when we followed him to a trump rally, he knew by questioning these beliefs even a little bit that he wasn't a part of the group anymore. he was sad about this. >> yeah, that was sort of an amazing moment. i mean, how did that feel watching that happen? >> i mean, i kind of actually liked him having to feel what we feel in these rallies, to be on the other side and what we feel like. >> thank you for sharing with us. thank you. it's time now for ac 366. there is no paper over the breaking news, the federal agency in charge of federal records asked the justice department to investigate the former president's habit of ripping up official documents and/or squirreling them away to mar-a-lago. john berman here in for
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anderson. we'll have more on that shortly. also the january 6th select committee suspense a highly invisible player. committee member adam schiff joins us for that. first, new information on the republican party's cen shsure resolution and the genesis of language describing what happened at the capitol as quote political discourse. senate republican leader mitch mcconnell stands in contrast to that. >> we're all here. we're here. we saw what happened. it was a violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election from one administration to the next. that's who it was. >> so in the face of that, last night republican national committee chair mcdannel put out an op-ed that became fun of her
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talking points, bottom line, it's our fault, the media, if corporate news media wants to know why americans don't trust it anymore, they should look at the patently shameful and outrageous false coverage of the resolution adopted by the rnc and censure and believes they are acting in bad faith. in other words, believe what she says about the party's position but not in the actual words in the party's resolution. which we and others accurately reported. if we got it wrong, well, so did mitch mcconnell. now, there is more to go on. information from a source involved in the process who tells us those three words legitimate political discourse were not included in early drafteds. instead, representatives cheney and kinzinger were condemned for taking part in a democratic-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in non-violent and legal political discourse.
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which invites two interpretations, one is pretty grim, namely the rnc views this and everything else that day as non-violent and legal political disc discourse. a more charitable interpretation is that in ha hand-fisted way the drafters were trying to draw you a distinction between the problem here and those who did not invade the capitol. if that's the case this draft language truly was able to make that points, however, indirectly, why was it replaced by the legitimate discourse characterization? now we are talking, why wasn't there language saying what mitch mcconnell said? i'm not going to keep you waiting. here's why, of course. >> the january 6th rally was a
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protest against a crooked election carried out by unhinged democrats, big tech and working with the fake news medica all working together to defeat republicans and your favorite president, me. the real insurrection took place on election day, november 3rd. >> they just can't quit it. for all that they scold us for failing to hear her repeated condemnation of the violence at the capitol and a law maker stands up and says what mitch mcconnell says about it. one voice matters more. meantime, as we mentioned at the top, a source familiar with the matter tells cnn the national acase of asked the justice department to investigate his handling of white house records. the former president as you know habitually tore up official documents after reading them, according to washington post, archive officials suspect he might have mishandled government documents including potentially classified material and reached
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out to doj. joining us now, jamie gang em, and senior analyst and walk corner maggie haberman and chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. jeff, i want to start with you on the purely legal matter here. the post says that donald trump was warned about tearing up documents by two chiefs of staff and maybe the white house counsel, so could he be in legal jeopardy here? >> i think the only way he could be in legal jeopardy is if someone can prove, the justice department can prove he was tearing up documents in order to avoid disclosure to a specific investigation. if he just did this as a matter of course or if he did it just in vials of the presidential records act, that is not a criminal violation. in order to be a criminal vial violation, you have to look at his intent. only if his intent was to make sure those documents didn't get
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into the hands of investigators, whether it was robert mueller earlier or the congressional investigators later. that's the only way this could be a criminal problem. >> even if he was warned specifically by chiefs of staff and white house counsel? >> yes. i don't think there is anyway that could be seen as a criminal matter, unless he was specifically trying to avoid or interfere with or frustrate an actual investigation. >> all right. maggie, i am just seeing the "new york times" has some new reporting on the documents found at mar-a-lago, what you can tell us? >> so, reed epstein are reporting tonight that there is possible classified material that archivists found when they got these you know many boxes back from mar-a-lago. they have yet to figure out exactly what it is, but you know this would obviously raise
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significantly the questions that the material that trump took, what the purpose of taking it was, what other possible classified material, if any, there might be. again, we don't know specifically what we, what they think might be classified, but it does, you know, heighten the questions around it. that's very different than simply you know the original copy of a letter from kim jong-un or a copy of the original of a letter from former president obama. this would be something very different. >> jeffrey toobin, does that raise the legal stakes here in. >> i don't really think it does, because presidents have the power to declassify anything they want at any time. but again, this is really bad procedure. it's not the way the government is supposed to work. and, by the way, hillary clinton may have lost the 2016 election because donald trump criticized the bthe way she criticized e-mails. but as a criminal matter, i find
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it very hard to believe this is something the justice department would prosecutor. >> irony, not always against the law. jamie gangel, in terms of the january 6th committee, how much does the destruction of these documents or the tearing up and re-taping of them, how much is it getting in the way of their investigation or factoring into what's going on there? >> so, to jeffrey's part, this is not a surprise to the january 6th committee. because after all, as maggie has been reporting since day one, he has been ripping up papers and did it for four years. so, the committee has known this was going to be a stumbling block. i think that's the reason it's so important that they have all of these interviews with witnesses, with people who worked at the white house, first hand, some of those people are handing over documents, texts, phone logs. i think just to go back to jeffrey's point for a moment, i
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spoke to someone last night about exactly this issue and the question this person said, this was a person with knowledge of the investigation, was he trying to circumvent something when it comes to january 6th? and i think that's a very specific question. we should look at. i think the national archives are really angry that he just did this over and over again. >> maggie, i want to turn to the january 6th committee and the subpoena for former president trump's trade adviser peter navarro, he documented the efforts to overturn the 2020 election in his book. place peter navarro in the trump orbit, how important was he? >> sure, let me quickly say i appreciate your terrific story for the presidency. i was jealous she was a competitor and broke it. pe to navarro was sort of a jack of all trades around the former
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president. yes, he was a trade adviser. he clearly liked running other errands for trump and inserted himself on who the author anonymous was and devoted a lot of energy in on it. he weighed in on other issues, he viewed himself and portrayed himself as one of the defenders of the president's political movement. he was somebody that went oust. it's not clear whether trump asked him or he went out and did all kind of critting a work and the election after november 3rd and before january 6th. he issued this report and i think he held a press conference, where he talked about his findings. now he talked about this all in a book. it's not surprising to me he has not cooperated with the january 6th committee. the former president has drawn a pretty clear line, he doesn't want people dock it. navarro is one of trump's favorites. >> jamie, pe to navarro out and out says he wanted congress to
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stop the certification process january 6th. he writes it. he says it in interviews whenever he can. what does the team want to get from him? >> what he told cnn was the committee must negotiate his potential appearance. that is not exactly, guys, what day, what time, do you want me to show up, but in talking to the committee about people like peter navarro, steve bannon, rudy guiliani, dan so i hascovi. they don't expect them to come. for the record they're putting out there that they should come. >> jeffrey -- >> if i can just make a point about this. the idea that peter navarro and mark meadows can write books about their interactions with drunk, they disclose freely and for profit, oh, by the way, in response to a subpoena, i'm not
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going to answer those questions. it is just outrageous and also a matter of the clock ticking. there is just not time to have a legal fight with these people. steve bannon, remember he is actually under indictment. but that case is on a slow boat to nowhere. the committee just doesn't have the time or the resources to force recalcitrant witnesses at this point. >> thank you all very much. we have more breaking news tonight. it comes from the inwith theer olympics in beijing when the figure skating team ceremony is on hold and a gold for russia is in jeopardy. cnn sports analyst, christine brennan, one of the premier figure skating reporters on earth broke this story and joins us now. what on earth is going on with these doping allegations? >> reporter: yeah, john, the russians are living up to their reputation or living down it to. the lifetime achievement award
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that is russian doping and here we are again, as i am reporting, there was a positive drug test among one positive drug test among the six members of the russian olympic figure skating team that won the gold medal a couple of days ago in that team competition dominated the competition. so now everything has been thrown into disarray and chaos. the question, of course, is, if, in fact, the russians would be disqualified by one member of their team, the u.s. was second, japan was third, canada fourth. the logical thought it would be the russian would be disqualified. the u.s. would move up to gold medal position. which would be by itself a big story. then as you know, john, you have covered the olympic games. we've worked together on the games. the next step is the rest of the competition, the men's, women's, the pairs, the dance. all of those skaters will continue to compete on the russian team in their individual event casting doubt about literally everything, moving
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forward in the last week-and-a-half of these games. >> even the one athlete who tested positive? >> reporter: well, the question would be would that athlete name some places? we are not going to name the name right now? would that athlete be able to compete or not? one would expect that that athlete would be tossed auto of the olympics. but stranger things have happened. we are dealing with russia, which has had nine lives in terms of coming back to the olympics. they shouldn't even be here because of previous doping violations. they keep getting a chance to come back. their hands get slapped and they show up again when they should not be here at all because of the state-sponsored doping, different than a lance armstrong, that was not state sponsored. russia got the international committee, the international skating union. people want to see all these skaters, these russian skaters compete. they need the tv ratings, throw it all into the mix, as the big mess. >> and the potential to get bicker. we don't know who it is, we are
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not naming who it is, but there are huge name skaters on that russian team. it can have a major impact. this substance we are talking here, what does it even do? >> reporter: it fights fatigue. it is something that is used as a stimulant. it can actually help, i'm talking to a source about these issues just a few minutes ago, john, it can help with red blood cell getting a chance to have more red blood cells, which makes you feel better, which makes you if you are tired, you can compete better. it was used, a version of one of these drugs was used by the soviet soldiers in afghanistan to stay awake. and to just be on top of trying to feel better on top of their game so to speak. maria shaif sharapova the great tennis star was banned for a while, she tested positive.
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the drug is supposed to treat heart problems in an angina. this person taking a drug that treats angina? >> you will hear excuses, it doesn't make you bigger, stronger or better. you will hear about training. if it allows you to train longer. i expect we will hear more from you in the coming hours. >> thank you, john, take care. the january 6th member adam schiff joins us to talk about the document-tearing nice. and rudy guiliani trying to get election machines and new subpoenas, could scenes like these in canada be coming to the united states just in time for the super bowl? a new warning out moments ago from federal authorities. plus a look at who the
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well, there is a possibility the justice department will investigate the former president for destroying official documents. another former close trump advisor subpoenaed by the january 6th committee and more. there's plenty to talk about with my next guest. he's democratic congressman adam schiff, chairman of the house intelligence committee and member of the select committee and author of "midnight in washington how we almost lost our democracy and still could." congressman, i want your take the fact the national archives is asking the justice department to investigate the former president's handling of these white house records. do you think there's any possible criminal exposure particularly if there are any classified documents he took to mar-a-lago as "the new york times" is reporting tonight?
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>> well, first of all, i think they're cuply right to make the referral to the justice department because there's public reporting and the archives may know more than this, that the president was repeatedly warned that he couldn't destroy these documents, that he would be violating the law if he did so. and so it looks very willful. and if there's evidence of potential willfulness in the destruction of documents, that is the kind of case if any case is going to be prosecuted might be prosecuted. now, there's not much precedent for enforcement, vigorous enforcement of this provision, so i wouldn't want to leap to the conclusion that that's going to happen. but if it were to happen it's a case like this where it appears to bow a willful decision. and the classified allegation is much more serious in my view. that is that donald trump brought to mar-a-lago in an unsecure location in boxes that others may have access to classified information.
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if that allegation proves correct the justice department in my view will have to investigate. it will be i think intolerable for the department to have investigated hillary clinton overhandling of classified e-mails and ignore allegations that donald trump may have brought classified documents and violated classification by bringing them to mar-a-lago. so besides the jaw dropping, heart stopping, grab you by the throat hypocrisy of it, i think that the -- the justice department would have to look at those allegations very seriously and investigate them if, in fact, there are reasons to believe there are classified materials among those boxes. >> has the january 6th committee, have you received all relevant documents at this point? is there anything missing? >> no, we haven't received all the relevant documents.
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certainly the archives is beefing up their staffing on this task, which we need them to do because there's a real urgency here. the courts all the way up to the supreme court have ruled in our favor. but while we've received several traunches of documents, there are more documents to be produced, and the same process has to be followed. that is the archives notifies the current president, notifies the former president. if the former president objects then there's a litigation process. now i think that process will be even more expedited than the first time and the first time it went up to the supreme court very quickly. but, no, we expect to get many, many more documents from the archives. >> i want to ask you about the select committee subpoena of peter navarro. he put out a statement which reads in part, the domestic terrorists running the january 6th partisan witch hunt are well aware president trump has invoked executive privilege and it's not my privilege to waive,
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end quote. what's your response to that obviously defiant absurd statement there, and how far is the committee willing to go to get him to talk? >> you know, that kind of statement is really worthy, i guess, of the former president which he is modeling himself after, the kind of alice in wonderland, the people who viciously attacked police officers in the capitol they're not domestic terrorists, it's the people who are investigating them who are. so it's certainly true to form of someone who by his own admission was creating a plan to overturn the election, a plan which he claims the president -- the former president supported. if he's willing to talk about interviews, if he's willing to write about in his book, he should be willing to come in and talk to our committee about it. and it's difficult as it was for him to maintain as it was for mark meadows the things he can freely talk about to the press in his book are somehow prevented from testifying to
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congress about. >> there's a post that rudy giuliani asked a michigan prosecutor to give voting machines to trump's team in the weeks after the election. so is that something your committee is investigating or wants to investigate? >> we are certainly investigating the whole consolation of issues around the effort to obtain voting machines either by the campaign or by the trump administration. to me the shocking revelations are these public reports. at this point i can only refer to the public reports that there were multiple efforts to persuade the president to either use the military or the justice department or the department of homeland security or some other government agency to seize the voting machines of state and local jurisdictions. that's the kind of thing you see in the third world. you don't expect to see that in what we would hope would be the best democracy in the world.
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but it's real tin pot dictator kind of stuff. and if these allegations involving rudy giuliani prove to be correct, that you have someone who's a very top advisor to the president who's integrally involved in this, it's another line of responsibility going very high in the trump hierarchy in one of these very important lines of effort to overturn the election. >> congressman adam schiff, i appreciate you being with us tonight. thank you. >> thank you. so more blue states announce plans to drop mask mandates in schools or businesses, but the cdc is saying it may be too soon. we're going to talk it over with dr. sanjay gupta and lena wen next. and we've also got breaking detatails on the death of comim.
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tonight more states are dropping mask mandates. massachusetts, illinois and rhode island announced plans today to begin rollic back these mandates. also new york which will keep masks in schools for now and meantime the cdc is facing pressure from governors to issue new guidance on masks and that's coming soon. but for now the cdc director has this message. >> our hospitalizations are still high. our death rates are still high. so as we work towards that, and as we are encouraged by the
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current trends, we are not there yet. >> hospitalizations are down 21% from a week ago with just more than 100,000 people currently hospitalized. deaths are down more than 2% but still high. joining us for their perspective on all this cnn medical analyst dr. lena wen, author of "lifeline the doctor's journey in the fight for public heth." and dr. sanjay gupta the author of "world war c." sanjay, this is the first time you've been with us since governors started announcing their plans to lift mask mandates. what do you think of them especially since dr. walensky said we're not there yet? >> there's a lot of virus out there still. the idea of thinking about this like the weather. it's still raining a lot of virus out there. part of the cdc projections they still think over the next four weeks 64,000 people could die. these are still just tragic numbers. at the same time the numbers are coming down, and we know omicron
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is not as -- not as deadly. it doesn't make people as sick as these previous variants. let me show you quickly, john, oregon. this is one of the states where they're talking about rolling back these mask mandates at some point soon. you can see if you see previously what happened sort of middle of june of last year they lifted mandates, and, you know, pretty soon after that the delta surge and sort of straight up the numbers went, and they reinstated mandates at some point around masks. this was the hospitalizations that went up at that point. and you can see the hospitalizations are still high. again, they're coming down. it's tough. it's a tough call. they're trying to anticipate what things will look like over the next several days and weeks and we know there will be a lot of changes. hospitals are still pretty full. and if you start reducing some of these mitigation measures at this point you do run the risk of keeping those hospitalization
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levels too high. >> so dr. wen, white house press secretary jen psaki was asked by cnn today who parents and teachers should listen to. their governors or the cdc, and she says the white house advises americans to follow the cdc guidelines which of course still calls for indoor masking in schools. so what are parents supposed to do? >> right. it's extremely confusing. first of all, i think the cdc really needs to do a lot better here. no one is expecting the cdc to say overnight everything is safe, go take off your mask. people want a road map. it would be great if they could lay out metrics, for example, as sanjay was saying if hospitalizations fall below a certain number. laying out that kind of road map is just common sense. as to what parents should do, assuming that their school is going to be allowing masks to be optional, i would advise them to think about three things. one is the what is the medical circumstance of their household. two is the value of going
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maskless, and the third is what about is there an alternative that they have? how do they view this risk of contracting covid? and so specifically if a family is fully vaccinated, the child is vaccinated, everybody else is boosted, it would be reasonable to say let's really think about do we need masking in schools? do we really value not contracting covid versus someone else who has vulnerable family member. that child should be wearing a high quality mask in school. because we know one way masking works very well to protect against covid even if others are not masking, too. >> sanjay, the new york governor kathy hochul wants to wait to lift mandates in schools even after the february break. she wants parents to have home tests and will be asked to test their child twice. >> i think this is another one of the measures we're talking about. i think testing does make a big difference here. and i've said many times i think it's the original sin we've not had enough vision on exactly,
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you know, the data to quantify this problem. she said after the break to be able to do two tests and determine whether or not they're going to lift mandates we're probably going to see a different position overall in that community as well. but the cases may come down even further. and as lena is saying as long as there's specific bench mark in terms of hospitalizations, i think that's key. hospitalizations right now still higher than they were during delta. hopefully they continue to come down but it's a bit of an issue. >> authorities have determined he passed away from head trauma. the statement continued to say authorities have concluded he accidently hit the back of his head on something, thought nothing of it and went to sleep. he was staying at a hotel in orlando when he died. i know you weren't involved in the investigation, but as a neuro surgeon, what do you think when you hear that? >> it's just sad.
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i mean that's the first thing i think of, and it's quite possible. a plausible mechanism that someone would hit their head significantly enough to cause bleeding either right on top of the brain or between the layers, either subdural sort of hematoma, i can show you an image of what this looks like. but basically what happens is in that sort of situation -- and it's tough to talk about this way so clinical. but some of the veins on top of the brain, they can tear as a result of that head trauma. hitting your head pretty forcefully on something where you may say that really hurt, if i were in a different situation maybe i'd go get it checked out. but instead sounds like maybe he went to sleep thinking it was not that serious. that's what i read in that statement. that bleeding accumulates over the next several hours, and someone loses consciousness and subsequently they die. he was alone so obviously no one checking in on him. so it's an unusual situation a little bit in the way it's sort
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of been outlined here, but it's pretty tragic. but it can happen just the way i described. >> you have to take head injuries so seriously. sanjay, thank you very much. dr. lena wen, i appreciate you being with us. just ahead we have more news on the canadian trucker blockade. what the department of homeland security in the u.s. are saying about those protests happening here. and also donee o'sullivan in the canadian capital talking to the protesters about why they're dedead set against vaccine mandates. no ink! uccch! i need you to print, i need you. please don't do this, i love you so much, i hate you. you think you're empty. i'm empty. do you suffer from cartridge conntions? ucccccch! be conniption free. thanks to the cartridge-free epson ecotank printer. a ridiculo amount of ink! up to 2 years of ink comes in the box. the ecotank is the perfect cure for--
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more breaking news, this on the canadian trucker blockade protesting vaccine mandates. the department of homeland security is telling law enforcement authorities it's receiving reports that a similar kind of convoy could soon begin in the u.s. and could potentially try to disrupt the super bowl, the state of the union address and more. donee o. sullivan at the center of the protest in the canadian capital in ottawa. >> i want all these mandates gone, and i'm not leaving until all the mandates are gone. >> what is this stuff that you can't do right now as a non-vaccinated person? >> i live in quebec that's a bit more intense than other places in canada. but, look, i can't go skiing, to wal-mart, restaurants, can't go to bars, can't go to the gym. >> reporter: truckers here in
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canada have brought part of the country's capital to a standstill right in the national parliament. >> i was hired on at a job not too long ago at a transport company in ontario, and i was let go due to not willing to get the vaccines for my job, and i mean that's not right for companies to be able to decide that and take away our right to earn money and support our livelihood. >> now, this is all happening despite these protesters representing a small minority of canadians. more than 80% of eligible canadians are fully vaccinate immedia ed. and the canadian trucker alignance which has condemned these protests has said about 85% of truckers who regularly cross the border are vaccinated. why is it important for you to be here today? >> don't talk to them it's fake
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news. >> reporter: despite the fact these people may be part of a minority in canada, they're receiving a lot of support from conservatives and other right-wing figures in the united states. >> we're now aware of a significant element in the united states that have been involved in the fighting, the organizing and the demonstrating. >> the canadian truckers are heroes. they are patriots, and they are marching for your freedom and for my freedom. >> reporter: this is very much a 21st century protest, playing out as much on the internet as it is on the street. viral memes and sometimes false and highly offensive historical comparisons that circulate online are being repeated verbatim here like this. >> and because you're not vaccinated have you -- is there business, is there stuff you can't do in canada now? >> if you want to compare canada to anything it's like hitler's germany and we're like the jews. one of the goals is to simply get a group of people you can
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get everybody angry with and in this case it's the unvaccinated. >> reporter: there's a lot of people here streaming live online. >> i'm going to follow you guys and make sure you're telling the truth. >> reporter: documenting every moment on social media. >> you take those cans off of that truck. is that your property? >> reporter: in an effort to clear the protesters police have begun confiscating gas canisters resulting in encounters like this that clock up thousands of views online. >> my name is jim kurr and i care about human beings especially ones who try to keep themselves warm in their truck while fighting for the freedoms of canadians. how do you feel? >> the main problem i have is all the censorship going on. that's the main problem i have. there's censorship everywhere, yeah. people's accounts get taken down, even facebook if you don't say the right thing. even this convoy, a lot of groups started and people are live streaming and all of a sudden i heard yesterday in the
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restaurant my feed was cut. my feed was cut. >> reporter: facebook shutdown some platforms after they found they were being administered by a hacked account that had belonged to a woman in missouri. so whoever was really running the groups wanted to hide their identity. and gofundme shutdown a fund-raiser for the truckers after police told them the protests had been become an occupation. but organizers here have still been able to raise millions of dollars through an alternative service, a self-described christian fund-raising platform. organizers say the money will help keep the truckers on the street. >> we want those great canadian truckers to know we are with them all the way. >> reporter: trump indicating he's supportive of truckers
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descending on washington, d.c. other right-wing figures goading americans to act. >> the question is how long before protests like this come here. >> will we need our own trucker rally to end-all of this insanity once and for all? >> what is the main goal, the main objective of the truckers here? >> freedom. >> reporter: and just into us, the department of homeland security in the u.s. is warning law enforcement that truckers might start protesting in the u.s. a memo sent to law enforcement today that read in part while there are apparently no indications of planned violence, if hundreds of trucks converge in a major metropolitan city the potential exists to severely disrupt transportation, the federal government and emergency services through gridlock and potential counter process. john, you heard how right-wing
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personalities both on television and online are calling for these sort of demonstrations in the u.s. the dhs tonight out with a warning. i should mention as we said in this piece, look, there's enough trucks here to bring downtown ought ottawa, to a standstill this part of the city here. but they are a minority. 8.0% of canadians are full vaccinate. >> it doesn't take a lot. in a moment the family attorney of emere locke, the shooting death of a 22-year-old that police weren't even looking for.
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protesters in minneapolis have been demanding justice for amir locke, a 22-year-old black man killed after police entered an apartment using a no knock warrant. we told you about the arrest of locke's 17-year-old cousin wanted in connection with murder. court documents and police body cam video indicate the police entered the apartment yelling commands. they found locke under a blanket on the couch. they kicked the couch and locke rose holding a gun. that is when he was shot. amir was an innocent victim, family and friends say. i spoke with family attorney benjamin crump earlier tonight. mr. crump, thanks so much for joining us. i want to first start off with
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the locke family. how are they doing tonight? >> well, they're still devastated. they can't believe that their son was killed while he was sleeping on the couch. >> that's a lot to take for any family. it goes without saying, counselor. the 17-year-old cousin of amir locke, who prompted the police raid in the first place, has now been arrested according to law enforcement officials. what are you able to tell us about where that stands tonight? >> well, we don't know anything about where that stands, but we do know that amir locke should not be killed because of something that a relative did. when you really think about it, he was sentenced to death when they executed that no knock warrant, by something that was done by somebody else. that is why these no-knock
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warrants are so dangerous, because you don't give innocent people an opportunity to know who's breaking into their home. >> so, as you know, the city of minneapolis updated their no-knock policy in 2020, indicating that officers would be required to announce their presence and purpose for entering, except in instances like hostage situations or imminent threats. in your view, was this one of those instances? >> absolutely not. and when you think about the fact that they execute these no-knock warrants disproportionately against black and brown people, it further raises alarm to me and other civil rights advocates that you must do away with these no-knock warrants if you're going to do them only against marginalized people of color.
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the way brin when breonna taylor was killed, they did a study on how the no-knock warrants were being issued in the past two years and they found 82% of the no-knock warrants executed in kentucky were against african americans. 68% of the time they found absolutely nothing after they busted into black people's homes. >> just to be clear, was amir locke listed on the warrant itself the law enforcement had? >> amir locke was not listed on the warrant the police had to do the no-knock search. he was an innocent young man sleeping on the couch, who woke up to these people yelling and screaming. and he did what any reasonable law-abiding citizen who was licensed to carry a gun would have done. and that's reach for his weapon to protect himself and his castle. >> you're talking about the gun. he was licensed for that gun.
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he did legally possess it? >> he did so. and black people have a right to the second amendment. >> so, counselor, you represented george floyd's family. and now the minneapolis police department is once again under scrutiny. what needs to be done to prevent situations like this going forward? >> the minneapolis police department and the city of minneapolis, just as many cities in america have to have policies that don't violate their constitutional right of black people against excessive force. what we believe killed george floyd just as much as derek chauvin's knee on his neck was the fact that they have a policy that allowed police officers to choke black people and use excessive force against them. and we believe in amir locke, what killed him just as much as the bullets from the police officer's gun was this flagrant policy of no-knock warrants that allowed them to violate the fourth amendment rights of marginalized people of color
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