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watching. i'm jim acosta in the situation room. don't forget, the situation room with wonderful blitzer ises are available as a podcast. look for us on cnn.com/audio where or wherever you get your podcast. erin burn net outfront starts right now. outfront next, inflation climbing at the fastest pace in 40 years. president biding responding to criticism that he said it would be temporary. when he says there will be relief for americans ton. but li plus the washingtons reporting that some of the white house records that trump took to marshaling were labeled top secret, classified. he took them anyway. are there growing questions about call logs from january 6th? >> and the autopsy for actor bob saget, the details we learn about his head injury at a florida hotel. let's go outfront. and good evening, i'm erin
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burn net outfront ton stocks dropped sharply and inflation surges. the dow down more than 500 points today after a new report showed inflation spiked to a 40-year high. prices up 7.5% over the past year. that is an incredible surge. in fact the fastest increase since 1982. and, yes, it's worse than economists had predicted. and it's getting to president biden. >> back in july you said inflation was going to be temporary. i think a lot of americans are wondering what your definition of temporary is. >> well, you're being a wise guy with me a little bit. i understand that's your job. >> you could see he was testy there. look, this is a tough moment for the president. and he did acknowledge inflation is a very serious problem. but, again, he made the case that it's going to get better. >> when can americans expect some relief from this soaring
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inflation. >> according to nobel laureates, 14 contacted me and a number of corporate leaders it ought to be able to start to taper off through this year. in the meantime i'm going to do everything in my power to deal with the big points that are impacting most people in their homes. >> look, the reality of it is inflation is affecting most people. not most people. it's affecting all people. i mean when you look at the prices in the united states, food prices up 7% from a year ago. 7% for basic food. used cars 41%, gas 40%. and you've got now complicating matters on some of these fronts those protests, the trucker inspired ones on the canadian border crossings threatening supply chains and hurting the auto industry, an industry crushed by inflation. and rising consumer prices are taking a toll on everyone. including the president. and not just in terms of his, you know, obviously showing a little bit of testiness there with lester holt, but this.
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according to a new cnn poll 41% of americans approve of president biden's job as president. dig into the numbers and that's where you see a core part of the problem. only 37% of americans now approve of biden's handling of the economy. that's bad. but here is what's really bad. it's down 8 percentage points from december. and december was when president biden declared that the worst on inflation was behind us. >> or should americans brace? >> i think it's the peak of the crisis, he said two months ago. inflation has gone up further since then. so now president biden's solution is to spend more money. >> the fact is that if we are able to do the things i'm talking about here it will bring down the cost for average families. >> all right. he is talking about some important aspects of the build
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back better plan. his solution to try to breathe new life into the spending bill. which would all in pump nearly $2 trillion into the economy. but what president biden sees as an inflation antidote others see as an inflation acceleratant. here is democratic senator joe manchin. >> this is not a time to be throwing fuel on the 5:30. we have an inflation -- we have inflation. and we have basically an economy that's on fire. you don't throw more fuel on the fire that's already on fire causing the problems that we have. >> okay, biden wants to spend more and manchin, a required vote for any such spending, that's a hard no. make no mistake, this is a four alarm inflation fire right now. the president of the stlaugs federal reserve with crucial vote in terms ever are raising interest rates. told bloomberg i was already more hawkish but pulled up dramatically what i think the committee should do. and this is a really important thing to keep in mind. if inflation tapers off this
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year it is going to come along with an increase in interest rates and the cost of borrowing for all americans. manu raju is outfront live on capitol hill. manu, i know you've been talking to democrats on capitol hill tonight. do they think the president is doing enough, doing everything he can when it comes to inflation. >> they simply do not. even though it's unclear what else the administration could do to get a handle on the crisis. but the democrats, the ones up for re-election, particularly in the senate, swing states that could determine the next senate majority they are feeling the pain because voters feel the pain. they hear it going back home. and they make it clear the administration needs to do more and also taking steps themselves to try to push legislation that they believe could help stem the costs and everything raising from gas prices to also basic necessities such as groceries. and in talking to members such as senator mark kelly today he said the administration is not
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doing enough. >> are you satisfied with the administration's handling of inflation right now? >> no, until -- until it comes down to something that's, you know, more sustainable and that families across the country can actually deal with, no. >> are you comfortable that the administration is doing enough in this way? >> i'm going to keep pushing them to do more. >> so there is one reason why there is a pushback here is the poll numbers showing that joe biden not just overall approval number is slumping but also voters disapproving his handling of the economy. at 62% disapproval, up 8 points from december according to our new cnn poll. and republicans themselves believe this issue, inflation will be the central issue that they hope to run on to take back both control of the house and the senate. as the number 2 senate republican told me earlier today, he said this is one everybody feels. >> manu, thank you very much. i want to go to van jones. former special adviser to
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president obama and john alvin, of course our senior political analyst. van, you hear president biden today. in the interview with lester holt, you know, obviously a little bit testy on the question of temporary, right? he and others across the administration had been calling this inflation temporary, starting last winner and all the way through the summer, right and here we are. so, you know, he makes the case inflation will taper off. not mentioning that would come with interest rates going up of course. but two months ago he said it's the peak of the crisis. so is is he making it hard for americans to trust him on this, van? >> look, i think he said the wrong thing for the right reason. in other words when you're the president of the united states, especially joe biden you're optimistic about america. >> yes. >> you don't want to come out and say something talking the economy down. he is trying to talk the economy up. turns out he was more optimistic than he should have been but i don't think he lost credibility. don't forget the tools available to him to fight inflation are not in the white house.
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the fed has the biggest inflation fighting tools. and the fed is going to do what it does. i don't think he lost credibility. i think he was more optimistic than the facts warranted. and that's not surprising with joe biden. >> here is the thing show, john, right, you've got employment numbers surging. and they make a big deal of that in the white house and they should. but if you have employment coming in with double the job growth that even the most optimistic exists expected you would think people would feel better about the economy than they do. 18% of americans say they have confidence in biden's ability to handle the economy. down from 30%. no way to look at the numbers and say those are good things. democratic senators you heard a couple there. they want him to do more. what is biden supposed to do right now? >> well, i think as van pointed out -- and we can learn from history when we have dealt with inflation, which hasn't been for almost 30 years. presidents in the 1970s of both parties talked up the war on inflation.
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gerald floor whip inflation now button. the cheer leading doesn't help inflation. the fed helps inflation. that's what -- volker proved that raising rates aggressively brought inflation under control for decades. along with a sensible monetary policy. so, you know, this is not something the countries and presidents had to deal with in recent decades. but it's on the fed. the question is when are they going to raise rates? and what are they waiting for? but i will say, what's show surreal about the gap in biden's numbers on the economy versus the record, i mean 6.6 million new jobs record for first term. manufacturing up, exports up. all that's being overwhelmed by the inflation narrative. and the inflation affects people where they live. i get it. but miss administration deserves credit for what's gone right as well this headwinds they are flying into but ultimately the fed has to deal with it now. >> the van you can have good news on jobs and good news on wages. but if inflation exceeds those
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things, then the net is bad news, right? and to this point let me just play what the minority leader senator mitch mcconnell said today. >> if you haven't personally gotten a pay raise of 8% or more in the last year, then democrats's policies have given you a pay cut. >> so van, i mean the math is accurate. if you didn't get raise of more than 8% you're under water. take aside democrats and blame. you're under water, right because that's what prices are going up. how effective is that messaging right now? >> well, look, i mean that's an ouchy. that's a powerful message. it's just the problem is what policies is he talking about? is mcconnell talking about the bipartisan infrastructure bill he voted for? because that's the only policy he could be talking about. the other stuff biden has wanted to do he has not been able to do. so he has been president for one year. he's got three more to go. the policies that he put forward on covid relief, i think. >> covid relief last spring,
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yeah. >> and they're not causing what you are seeing right now. the only other policy he is talking about is the bipartisan infrastructure bill that mcconnell voted for. i don't know which policy he is talking about. >> obviously, regardless of who voted for what, there was a lot of money thrown into the commute economy a lot, a lot done under trump and biden. the fuel on the fire if that's how you see it indeed bipartisan in nature. but, john, it's not just inflation worrying democrats right now in terms of election prospect. maybe that's part of the issue here is that this is actually while very important sort of the -- the canary in the coal mine. i want to play what jon tester a democrat from the red state told david axelrod on his podcast today. the question asked was how tester's montana neighbors view the democratic party. here is is the answer. >> it's toxic. the national democratic brand in i think in rural america generally is toxic. it's because quite frankly we don't show up. i'm talking about national
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democrats. we're not willing to go places we're not wanted and answer questions. >> what do you say to that, john? >> tester is exactly right and the democrats should listen to him democrats need to build out a branch of their party that connects with rural voters in red states. they needed to be focusing efforts in the middle of the country a as well as the middle class. and too often their gravitational pulses in both parties playing to the base. that's not sufficient for building the majorities the democrats need. and so they need to to be focus z like a lays are. steve bullock made the point. but john test is he the emissary of the message. democrats need to build pout red state democrats and rural state democrats to get majorities can't play to the base. >> what do you make of that, tester not mincing the word. toxic. >> he is not wrong. the reality is that what we used to be a party that had ha big
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beautiful tent and included a bunch of working class white guys. the working class white guys are not as present. i love the people who are present but we need the circle bigger. and tester is right we have room to grow -- to regrow the coalition in that direction. >> thank you both very much. and next, breaking news, "the washington post" reporting that trump left office with top secret documents, marked such, marked classified and picked them cherry picked them to mar-a-lago. also breaking tonight president biden with an urgent warning as russia moves closer to war. >> we're dealing with one of the largest armies in the worm. this is a very different situation. things could go crazy quickly. >> and an inside look at the investment that is turning so many people right now into millionaires and even billionaires. jeff's been to the botottom of the ocean.
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not letting the advisers as at leem. as his handling of the white house papers comes under skrun scrutiny. cnn reports tonight that white house call logs obtained bit january 6th committee contains significant gaps. ryan nobles is outfront. ryan this is very significant. trump was a president who communicated on a phone. that's what he did, right? he was not emailing. what more are you learning about the call logs? >> well the committee was surprised to see such a lack of information regarding the president's communication from this information that they fought in court to obtain and ultimately won, despite the former president attempting to keep it secret. and what they discovered was serious gaps in the information about who the president was talking to and at what time. on the official white house switch board there was a roared record of calls he made. one to jim jordan we reported last week that took ten points long. but there was another entry where he attempted to call vice-president mike pence. pence wasn't there and there is
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no record of a return call from pence. if despite the fact that we know from an interview made with skeegt kellogg, pence's national security adviser that pence and trump did talk because kellogg was in the oval office as it took place. then basically a black hole, erin, from the time trump came back from the ellipse after delivering the speech at the rally outside the white house and until the speech in the rose garden around the time that the violence was raging at the capitol, with where there is no record of any calls that took place by the president that he either took or calls that were -- that he made himself. and the question is, we know that he did talk to people, right? kevin mccarthy talked about a phone call that he had with the president. there was the call that he made to tommy tuberville through mike lee and got to tuberville. and there is no record of that. so the committee wants to know why that information isn't on there. and what other phone calls that may have taken place that are also not recorded in the official logs. and the committee feels pretty
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confident they can find the information out, either through depositions ever the people before the committee and also they have sent out subpoenas and requested information of the private cell phone logs and personal cell phone lo logs of a number of people in and around the white house at that time. of course, erin, the big question is will they request the personal cell phone logs of donald trump himself. that's something benny thompson says they haven't died but something remaining on the table. >> crucial, that -- if there is one place they all are obviously that's it. thank you. and now i want to bring in elie hoenig formerly prosecutor and seen year legal analyst. elie let's start with the “washington post” report. on the boxes. they say a lot of the documents were in mar-a-lago, clearly marked classified some labeled top secret. could trump face potential legal trouble for that? >> well, erin, this detail is really important because under
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federal law it's a crime to destroy or removed classified documents so long as the person acts intentionally, meaning on purpose, knowing they are classified. well if the documents have the words of classification stamped on them, kind ever hard to argue that you didn't know. and i should say, there are three levels of official classification in the u.s. government. the lowest is confidential. then in the middle is secret. at the fop is top secret. some documents reportedly marked top secret. the official government definition of top secret is that if the documents came out they would pose exceptionally grave danger potentially to the united states. so this is really serious stuff. >> it really is. they are top secret. plenty in there. now sit something around mar-a-lago. and i just want to now make sure anyone watching understands they weren't just, you know sort of willy-nilly put together by somebody and ended up there. no the post reports that trump was secretive about the packing of boxes retrieved from mar-a-lago and did not let other aides including seen year
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advisers look at them according to people close to him. so he knew what was in there. he cared what was in there. it was not just a random thing that occurred. >> right, so this goes to the intentionality part of it. >> yes. >> there is a sfloer where hypothetically perhaps the movers pack it up or something like that. but this report suggesting that donald trump did it himself on purpose in a way he tried to hide from others. >> and so now cnn is reporting about the call logs. i want to get to that, ryan's reporting. hours long gaps. now usually, you know, there is a call log right of any official call coming in but comes in through the switch board. once this whole thing uvrlds, the president comes back from the speech, right from the ellipse, it goes silent. okay, he wasn't silent. there were calls going on. they were on his cell phone. so is the committee ever going to find out who he talked to?
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>> they can, erin. it's taking extra work and two things they can do, first, as ryan mentioned they can subpoena the cell phone providers, whether donald trump's own private cell phone or there's been reporting he used aides cell phones. this question of should the committee politically subpoena the president's cell phone. guess what they're entitled to the information. it's supposed to be in the white house call log. legally there is no reason they can't do that. the other thing they can do to fill in the pieces is interview witnesses and if witnesses say i had a call with donald trump at let's a2:30 p.m. and it's not on the on the call log you filling it in it's like a puzzle. >> i want to emphasize something you said. which is they won in court they have the right to see the call logs that means they have the right to see who he spoke to. if it's on the cell phone that's consistent. important point i wanted to emphasize. one more thing, maggie herebyman from "the new york times" is writing in a new book that officials thought he may have been flushing documents down a toilet. here she is speaking with my
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colleagues this morning. >> i learned that staff in the white house residence would periodically find the toilet clogged, the engineer would have to come and fix it. and what the engineer would find would be wadzinski ever, you know, clumped up wet printed paper. you know, meaning it was not toilet paper. this was either notes, or some other piece of paper that, you know, he -- they believe that he had thrown down the toilet. >> elie, what do you make of this? i mean, you know, it sounds-like a ridiculous thing to think you could throw a wad of paper through the toilet and it would go through the pipes. but it appears this occurred. >> well, erin, if we look at the story from the other day about how the former president used to habitually tear up documents. >> yes. >> there is an plannings. it's something he did, careless thoughtless. he would rip things up and it's weird to say. the toileting is different tp
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breaking news. get out. president biden with a stark warning to americans in ukraine. as fears grow about a russian invasion that could occur at any moment. >> american citizens should leave, should leave now. we're dealing with one of the largest armies in the world. this is a very different situation and things could go crazy quickly. >> crazy quickly. these words from the president coming as a u.s. defense official tells cnn that the u.s. navy is boosting its presence in
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europe, sending four guided missile destroyers to the region. there is new satellite images showing russia building up the military on three sides of ukraine. hundreds of vehicles observed arriving at an airfield near the capitol of crimea. 15 miles from the ukrainian border in belarus. more deployments of troops. military vehicles and helicopters detected. the first time helicopters have been seen in the area, as well as a possible new field hospital. so another day, both sides ratchet up, up, up. senior national security correspondent alex mar quart. are there any signs conflict can be avoided at this point? >> well, aaron, u.s. and european leaders certainly believe there is a path to de-escalation through diplomacy. the talks are continuing. they wouldn't continue if they didn't believe that. but of course they think that russia is doing the exact
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opposite of what you should be doing if you want to ease tensions. if you believe that diplomacy will work. so not only are we seeing russian troops build up presence around ukraine, they are getting closer. as you mentioned russian -- ukraine will be facing russian military activity on three fronts, north in belarus, east in russia and to the south in the black sea and in crimea. those joint belarusian military exercises that just got underway today involve tens of thousands of russian troops. s in the biggest deployment of russian troops to belarus since the cold war. now russia has announced this massive naval exercise, massive is their own word, that will start next week in the black sea involving, they say, some 140 war ships and 10,000 troops. we've been tracking six amphibious landing ships through the mediterranean into the black sea. they have now arrived into
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crimea. ukraine accuses russia of blocking off parts of the black sea in the naval exercises. the u.s. says the same thing, saying that commercial ships will not be allowed through. they won't be allowed to dock in ukraine. russia does deny that. but, erin, on top of what we hear from president biden about the potential for things to get crazy quickly, we are hearing a lot of concern from top nato leaders, including the british prime minister boris johnson who just today said this is the most dangerous moment in europe's biggest security crisis in decades. erin. >> thank you very much, alex. outfront now republican senator mike rounds of south dakota. he sits on both the senate armed services is and foreign relations committees and steevd a classified briefing on ukraine. senator rounds, i know you are limited with what you can share from the briefing. but based on what you heard and the president telling americans to leave ukraine now, do you believe a russian invasion is more likely than it was a day or
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two ago? >> i would say that the possibility or the probability of a russian invasion is -- is very accurate. they are on three sides of ukraine. there is no indication that it is only a drill. they have moved significant forces into the region, as large as we have ever seen. there is always a possibility that mr. putin may decide for some reason he is not going to invade. but he has done everything to set up for an invasion. and there is nothing suggesting right now that he is looking at a diplomatic solution. >> well, when we spoke last, you told me that the united states saying that it would never engage, you know, in combat in any scenario, put the united states in a bad negotiating position. even if it was true it was the saying of it that could be problematic. just given that context here i wanted to play something else for you. i don't know if you heard, senator but president biden said
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a few minutes ago in the interview with lester holt. >> what scenarios would you put american troops to rescuer and get americans out. >> there is not. that's a world war when americans and russia start shooting at one another we're in a very different world. >> not even on behalf of simply evacuating americans. >> how do you do that? how do you find them? this is not like i'm hoping that if in fact he is foolish enough toth he is smart enough to not do anything impacting american citizens. >> have you told him that? >> yes. >> senator, how do you view the exchange should the president have said there is no snor involving u.s. troops even involving evacuations. >> what i think the president is suggesting. i don't mean to suggest that i know what he men. but my understanding is it would be seen as provocation if we entered ukraine with our military at the time in which mr. putin is in an active
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military engagement. i think the president gives good advice when he says to americans that it's appropriate for you to leave now. we don't have an exact time line. but it would be imminent. mr. putin in this case can make up his own mind as to when he is going to invade. we know that he has done everything to set up for a major engagement. he has multiple options available to him in ternls of what -- in terms of what he is going to do. the president is correct when he says if we were to step in it would be seen as a provocation if he is actively engaged in a battle with -- with ukrainian forces. so at this point, look, we do not have any type of a treaty with ukraine. >> right. >> our armed forces are not set up to go into ukraine. our armed forces are working with other nato members in eastern europe as our article 5
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guidelines permit. but this -- at this time i am not aware of any plans in which the united states military would enter ukraine. >> so, you know, the one thing that's happened here is everyone said the diplomatic path involves, you know -- the one thing the united states can do since we said combat troops aren't on the table is sanctions but no sanctions happened yet. the whole thing has been well putin can put his entire military on the door step of ukraine but until he steps over the line we're not doing anything about it. this has been a big debate in congress. do you do sanction attention ahead of it? every time he puts troops in do you put in a sanction or wait until he walks over the line? this causes a problem. today the chairman and the ranking message of are your committee bob menendez and jim reusch it's a big impasse. do you think you can get a deal done? or is it dead in the water? >> right now, i don't see a sanctioning deal being put
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together right now. i think the fact that we have waited this long to actually agree that sanctions before hand, i think that that probably is gone now. injury we're too close to the point where mr. putin could make his actions known at any time. but i think there are some other things that we could be doing. part of it is to clear delineate what the impact would be to mr. putin and to russia. not only in terms of our continued support for ukrainians in their battle in terms of defensive weapons and so forth. but one more thing as well. today mr. putin is using the wealth of petroleum products to literally fund his operations. look, if we could open up our spigots again and could start to produce oil again here in the united states, bring the value, the price per barrel of oil and natural gas down, right now that's going to impact mr. putin. not only that but it would help domestically here in the united states bring the price of gas
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down, that's an inflationary issue on the supply side that would help our consumers. and at the same time make life for mr. putin a lot more miserable. >> senator, thank you so much. >> thank you. and next cnn just obtaining bob saget's autopsy report and there are details what the chief medical examiner is revealing about the actor's head injury tonight. and it's volatile, risky, unregulated. and yet some of the biggest names in entertainment and technology are pouring massive money into it. why? the digital rebellion is here. old money is out. (vo) jamaica. (woman) best decision ever. (vo) feel the sand between your toes, and the gentle waves of the sea on your skin. feel the warm jamaican breeze lift your spirits
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tonight, more than 100 million peel are expected to watch the super bowl. and for the first time ever multiple cryptocurrency companies will be vying for eyeballs. and spending a lot of money on ads. celebrities like matt damon gwyneth paltrow and mike tyson endorsing digital currency. and to me it's completely confusing. nick watt is outfront with the inside look.
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>> the digital rebellion is here. >> cryptois cool. >> the entertainment world is embracing crypto, digital currency and collectibles more than any other. >> what do you think are you? >> you know what, i'm in. >> it's an enormous fast growing new culture on the internet and in tech. the that people in hollywood realize they need to tap into. >> amc theaters now take bitcoin and others for tickets. kobe bryant's lakers used to play at staple center now it's the crypto.com arena. >> no, no, no, no, no, no. >> major league baseball now has fdx all over the umps.
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>> the new command. >> they sold 007 ntts basically collectible digital images. >> more and more film makers turning to nfts to fund movies before they are made. >> what the hell is an nft what's the nft. >> with crypto basically there is nothing to hold, no notes, no canvas, cryptocurrencies exist only in the online ether. transactions ownership information, stored in something called blockchains. secure, decentralized digital databases. no government monetary policy gets in the way. that worries some of the security conscience crypto can be used to landrieu money, finance crime, and there are other cautionary tales.
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melania trump just auctioned this hat online, reserve, 1800 sol, a crypt orr currency worth $250,000 when the auction opened by the time it closed sol crashed. >> we think the technology is fascinating and here to stay. >> so does the crypto evangelical lift mayor of miami and new york's new mayor taking his first paychecks in crypto. >> this is what the human spirit is about, not being afraid to look at every area of innovation. >> mayor eric adams and matt damon's much maligned crypt orr dk commercial. >> then there are others. >> actually captured the essence. this is a gamble on the volatile, untethered intangible. that's a write brother. >> fortune favors the brave. >> is this new world brave or stupid? no one actually knows for sure. not yet. >> and erin as you said come sunday 100 million people will
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watch the game and the cryptocurrency commercials. ftx, crypto.com. they are in, they're going to be advertising. and other exchange binance is not advertising. the reason why it's interesting. because so many of us don't know what crypto is. so one exec told us, you know, you can't market crypto like you would a bag of chips or bottle of beer. you have to educate as well as advertise. and it's tough to do all of that in a 30-second super bowl spot. erin. >> on this topic, it takes so much more if it does make sense. thank you so much. >> yes. >> nick, very much appreciate it. next the autopsy for the actor bob saget just released. and we are learning new things about the actor's head injury. and president biden tonight on whether it's time to end federal government maverick mandates. mask mandates. (wife) hi, honey! (man) like what?
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breaking news, bob saget's full autopsy results released by a medical examiner in orange county, florida. the official cause of death, blunt head trauma. and the report goes further saying, quote, it is most probable the decedent suffered an unwitnessed fall backwards and struck the pour aspect of his head. the manner of death is accident. saget was found dead in a hotel room in orlando last month. he was 65. and with us now is a neurosurgeon in atlantic city. doctor, i appreciate your time. this story is very sad. people when they hear this, my goodness, you get a knock to the head and you go to bed and this happens. the report did cite multiple fractures to the head with internal bleeding.
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this is new and significant information. how hard of a blow would it have to be to cause the trauma described in this autopsy report. >> thanks for having me. it's very important to understand we don't know a lot about this situation. the brain is housed in the skull. the skull is meant to protect you from impacts like this. it would take a significant impact to actually crack the skull which we see here. it's here in the occipital bone in the back of your head and it extends to the right temporal bone as well. he also has fractured on the front of his face as well. so trying to predict how he fell or what he hit becomes a little bit difficult and a little bit confusing. >> but it sounds like from what you're saying, you're talking about the back of the head, the side, and also to the front of the head, multiple trauma, breaks the skull, bleeding. this wasn't just kind of like stumbling and hitting your head on the back of the headboard. something very significant, it seems like, occurred in that room, right? >> yeah.
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if you were to see a subdural hematoma or blood in the brain like they talk about in the report, it mooight have been a small injury. but to have multiple fractures, this really takes a big blow to the back of the head. some people might pass out onto a hard surface to the floor. >> obviously he was found in his bed so he was somehow able to get to his bed. the autopsy report said he had two drugs in his system, klonopin, which is taken for seizures, or trazodone. when you hear those drugs, does that stand out to you in any way in this context? >> you know, klonopin is an angiolytic. it helps you sleep. some people use it for anxiety and other things. when used in combination with
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trazodone, it can cause drou droudro drowsiness. it's hard to predict whether these would play a role at all or whether or not they would play a role in his going to sleep. we know the blood in his head or the injury itself could promote an injury where he would have difficulty arising out of consciousness over time. >> and just one final question to you. when you saw this, is there anything that still stands out to you -- i know you said there's still so little we know so you would have many questions -- but what are some of the big questions you would still have that this could happen, so many fractures in a skull in a situation where somebody is found in their bed? >> yeah, i mean, it's tough to say, and there are some things that are purely speculative. but based on the kind of mechanism of injury or what we presume happened just in a hotel room, to create a fracture on the back of the head and the side of the bed as well as the front of the head suggests that maybe a ricochet type of event happened where he fell back and hit his head on something and then fell forward afterwards.
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we also see in the brain itself that there are bruises in the brain, and when you hit yourself on the back of the head, your brain actually moves around in the skull and you bruise the front of it as well. really the inciting event is probably in the back of the head and whether he stumbles to the floor or something else is possible, maybe the front or left side. it ta bleeding on brain takes time to accumulate, so usually we have people wake the person and have them move to their side so this doesn't happen. more and more blue states are rolling back their mask mandates, but not the federal government. so what does biden say?
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what i've tried to do, i tried to make sure we have all the vaccines needed, all the boosters needed, all the masks needed, all the protections needed. >> this as statewide mask mandates are disappearing in states run by democrats. as for schools, the president still supports masks. he suggests there will be fewer mask requirements as the covid-19 vaccine is approved for more age groups. it is, of course, approved for all children in kindergarten and older. anderson cooper starts right now. we have a lot to get to tonight, but i want to start off with good news, which also happens to be personal news. in early 2020, in the dark days of the pandemic, i announced the birth of my son wyatt. the pictures i showed were wyatt taken just days after he was born. this is wyatt today. he's nearly 22 months old and he is sweet and funny and the
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