tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN February 10, 2022 5:00pm-6:00pm PST
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to make sure we have all the vaccines needed, all the boosters needed, all the masks needed, all the protections needed. >> this as statewide mask mandates are disappearing in states run by democrats. as for schools, the president still supports masks. he suggests there will be fewer mask requirements as the covid-19 vaccine is approved for more age groups. it is, of course, approved for all children in kindergarten and older. anderson cooper starts right now. we have a lot to get to tonight, but i want to start off with good news, which also happens to be personal news. in early 2020, in the dark days of the pandemic, i announced the birth of my son wyatt. the pictures i showed were wyatt taken just days after he was born. this is wyatt today. he's nearly 22 months old and he is sweet and funny and the greatest joy of my life.
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if he looks particularly happy in this picture, it is because he now has a baby brother. his name is sebastian and i would like you to meet him. this is sebastian luke pesani cooper. he was 6.8 pounds at birth and he is healthy and happy. his occasional hiccups are, to me, adorable. he mostly just sleeps and eats and he certainly poops, but he already seems like a wise and thoughtful little chap. wyatt and now sebastian are being raised by me and my best friend and former partner benjamin pesani. wyatt calls me daddy and benjamin papa. wyatt helped us put together
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sebastian's crib and calls his little brother by his middle name, luke. sebastian is a mouthful for a 22-month-old. we want to thank the amazing doctors who helped bring sebastian into the world and most of all thank the surrogate who carried sebastian and gave birth to him. the sacrifice she made and the love she gave sebastian the past year is extraordinary. we will never forget the kindness of her and her family and all surrogates who help bring love and life into the world. when i announced birth, i like to imagine my mom, my dad, and my brother, all of whom are no longer alive, all smiling at him at his birth. i feel their presence very strongly and i already feel their love for sebastian. i feel alive with the family we
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created, new love and new life. before he died, my dad wrote, life itself is brief and yet each life closes aull eternity. each of us have a taste of its joys and sorrows. we must, whenever possible, reach out to each other tentatively to touch with our hands, with our eyes and with our hearts. we must wish for each other love and laughter, good thoughts and happy days. we must go rejoicing in the blessings of this world, with the magic, the majesty and miracle of life. i will be taking off the rest of this week and next week as well, and thankfully the rest of this show to spend time with my kids. i wish you all good thoughts and happy days. i turn to jonathan berman to finish out those days. john? >> i don't know how you got through that. that was so lovely.
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he is beautiful, anderson. >> thanks. >> esper effect. congratulations to all of you. what a wonderful blessing. >> i appreciate that. you have two boys who are teenagers. any instructions or recommendations? >> i had twins so i screwed everything up all at once every step of the way. is it easier this time around? >> he just arrived so i have no idea. he's definitely calmer than the first time around, and he's doing great and he's so adorable and he has a lot more hair than wyatt had when he was born, and he's incredible. >> how is wyatt doing? what's his reaction? >> he's thrilled. he's almost 22 months old, so he calls him luke and he helped build the crib, and he loves to wheel him around in a little stroller around my house. that's wyatt helping out with the crib there. beyond that, he sort of does his
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own thing. it's the best response i could possibly have hoped for. >> so sleep, because i resented you for this. wyatt sleeps like 12 hours a night, right? it was three years before we had a full night's sleep here. what is sebastian's sleep schedule? >> so far he's sleeping all the time, so it's hard to get a sense of what he'll be like. he's up every three hours, so we feed him. yeah, i can't even tell what color his eyes are. they seem dark but they also seem blue, and he's really sweet. he's just adorable. >> you know, honestly, it would be unfair to every parent out there if you didn't have a kid who woke up every few hours. >> yeah. it's pretty amazing. i can't believe it. >> there is nothing better than being the parent of brothers. i love every minute of it. >> yeah. i also just wanted to say when i announced wyatt's birth, i got a
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tremendous outpouring of cards and letters, which i really appreciate. i tried to answer them but then i couldn't. i got a lot of books and kids and clothes and blankets and clothes and things, all of which i appreciate and which i either kept or gave away to kids who don't have as much. anybody who is thinking about sending anything to sebastian, i really appreciate it, but we have tons of books and i would hope anyone who wants to send something, they would send something to a local organization to help parents who don't have much when their kids arrive. but thank you for all your well wishes. >> i can't take my eyes off him. he's perfect. run. run home. get back to him as quickly as you can. >> thanks so much. >> thanks so much, anderson. congratulations. there's more "360" ahead. we'll be right back.
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hard to top that last segment but we do have breaking news on official documents. the former president improperly took to mar-a-lago. the "washington post," two people familiar with the matter, have it marked classified. these sources say at the top secret level. some said the information was extremely sensitive and would be limited to a small group of officials with authority to view such highly classified information. this comes after other information that when the president wasn't squirrelling documents or tearing them up, he might have also been clogging a white house toilet with them. that's not hyperbole. that's literally a reporting of what happened. that story by maggie haberman for her upcoming book "confidence man" has certainly
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launched plenty of bad jokes, but to the extent it's part of a pattern in a series of related stories, this takes a darker tone. in addition to breaking news, there is reporting from maggie and her colleagues in the "new york times," and co-worker bobby mangell from call records of january 6. though we know how the former president operates, there is nothing a musing or normal in this. whether it's criminal remains to be seen. either way, it's coming from a man who once said this about hillary clinton. >> people who have nothing to hide don't smash phones with hammers. they don't. 30,000 e-mails disappear. she also and her staff destroyed some of her 13 different phones, but this time with a hammer. >> have i got to subpoena her e-mails? if i deleted one e-mail like a
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love note to melania, it's the electric chair for trump. people who have nothing to hide don't bleach -- nobody has ever heard of it -- don't bleach their e-mails or destroy evidence to keep it from being publicly archived as required under federal law. >> spoken like a man who would never habitually rip up certain documents or, for that matter, flush them. come to think of it, he's never been on good terms with modern toilets. >> we ever a have a situation w we're looking very strongly at sinks and showers and other elements of bathrobes. >> sinks, showers, and what goes with a sink and a shower? people are flushing toilets 10 times, 15 times, as opposed to once. >> i hate to say these three
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things, it's the shower, it's the sink, and you know the third element of the bathroom. because i coulddon't say it bec every time i say it, they only talk about that one. >> not me, but him. we won't talk about toilets. 10, 15, but we don't talk about that. it's kind of gross to talk about, right? i won't talk about the fact that people have to flush their toilet 15 times. i will not talk about it. because i've said this three or four times, the only subject they ever talk about is toilets so i don't mention toilets. i'll only talk about showers, but there is three things. >> again, it's easy to play this for yucks or icks, for that matter, but we're talking about someone who, in addition to fixations like that, has always shunned the transparency and has gone all out to shun the controversy of him in ofls.
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in watergate we had richard henderson. tonight we're just stuck with the plumbing. maggie haberman is about donald trump in "the breaking of america." she joins us now. maggie, you've had quite a day, but can you explain in more detail what was going on in the white house with these papers getting flushed? >> sure, john. so what was happening was staff in the white house residence where the president lived, you know, were discovering that the toilets were clogged, and when engineers went in to go see what was happening, there were clumped-up wads of paper, apparently notes or documents. it's not clear exactly what it was. it's not clear why it was happening, but they believe that the former president was putting stuff in the toilet, and my understanding is it was not an isolated incident. this is an issue on a number of fronts. for staff, this is going to sound minor, but the white house is not a very minor building,
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plumbing was an issue. there was also a question of what the material was. i don't want to suggest i have been told what it was. the staff who were familiar with this did not know specifically what the material was. there was obviously a lot of speculation. but regardless, you know, it's going to add to questions about how material was handled while the former president was in office. >> so the former president is not, surprisingly, denying this, but you say not an isolated incident. is it clear how often, and was it during the entire length of the presidency? >> the way it was described to me was periodically. i don't know if it was the entire length of the presidency. it was certainly more than once. some staff said this happened on at least one foreign trip, but again, there may have been additional incidents. those are the ones i'm aware of. i'm aware that the former president has issued a statement denying it.
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i stand by the reporting. >> maggie, your book looks at the entire range of donald trump's career, not just the presidency, and i do understand there was a tendency to destroy documents in various ways. i know flushing was one of them before he was president, during or after, but certainly while he was president, he ripped stuff up, he regularly sent e-mails, texts for that matter. is there any evidence, or was there not any evidence, left behind of things he was doing? >> there is some documentation even the ripped material was taped back together and made k challenges for archivists. he did not respond on texts, i know he received texts from people. i never heard of him responding to one. we saw some reporting today at "the times" that white house call logs from january 6, for
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instance, appeared to have gaps from when investigators believed he was on the phone with a number of people. it raises questions about what happened. there is no evidence, as we understand it, to suggest that it was tampered with, but it was a reminder that this president did not use the white house switchboard he used other aides' phones. i think all of this has always been a challenge for people who are, at a minimum, trying to preserve a record of the presidency. it's obviously coming into sharp focus with the january 6 insurrection. >> maggie, this new reporting from the "washington post" says records were taken from mar-a-lago that were clearly labeled "classified." >> i saw that report. we reported in "the times" that there was one document reported to be classified. it was part of this trove of material returned to the archives. again, this is going to raise
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questions. a president as a right to classify material. we just didn't know he did that. number two, there are questions about how this material was packed up, who had access to it, did they have clearances? i know there was a lot of focus on did the former president potentially destroy a document that was related to january 6? i know the committee has questions about that. i think that what we have seen over time, and wea've been told by people who worked for thie w or the other, and i just don't know whether we're ever going to know what the full answer is. i reiterate that i don't know whether we'll have a complete paper picture of what this presidency looked like. >> finally in your book, you also report that trump is apparently staying in touch with kim jong-un. what more details do you have about that? >> i wrote that he says he's done that, john.
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i don't know that he actually is still in touch with kim jong-un, but he has told several people he is in touch with him. i was reminded by somebody who worked in the white house earlier today that trump would often let on to people while he was president that, you know, he had had some kind of conversations one on one with kju that cabinet officials simply couldn't track down and did not believe were taking place. i do not know this to be true. it's interesting that he's saying it. >> fair enough. an important distinction. maggie haberman, thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you. now more on the related question we touched on briefly about what the house committee is or isn't receiving to help them determine who the former president was talking to on january 6. three sorurces familiar with th insurrection said there are gaps on that day. jamie joins us now.
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jamie, tell us about the gaps in these phone records. >> as maggie just mentioned, there is no evidence, no one is suggesting that someone tampered with these logs. when they talk about gaps, what they're saying is there is a distinct period of time during the day on january 6 during the riot, those three-plus hours where trump is back at the white house watching the reporting, is tra transfixed watching the televisi television. that's where the logs are odd. it's significant that during this period of time the white house logs do not appear to show that he made any calls out or any calls came in. these are people he actually would have spoken to. now, what does this mean? as maggie mentioned, trump, we ever always known -- first of all he likes to use his own personal cell phone, so that would not be in the logs.
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he very often uses the cell phone of a staffer, maybe dan scavino who is with him all day, maybe his personal aide. the other possibility is the archives do not have all the paperwork yet, we cannot rule that out, but i think the committee finds this very curious and this is going to be something they're really looking into, because they want to know not just what trump was doing and not doing during the riot, but who he was talking to and what he was saying, john. >> they want to know that. do they have a way to get his phone records? >> the can i has been reticent to subpoena those records. but when you see a gap like this come up that is so significant at such a notable period of
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time, i think it is likely that they are going to revisit that question. there is, however, a real question about political will. do they want to go after a former president like this? it is a very high bar without something very incriminating, more of a smoking gun. >> jamie, stick around with us right now. i want to bring in former federal prosecutor, miriatti. what more do we want to know on this? >> i think you would want to know what phone he was using, who he was in contact with, and once they know this, they would have to subpoena the entities of those people and work backwards to try to create a log of what the former president was doing. you would also want to know was it willful, was it knowing that
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former president trump was using other phones to try to evade having a record of those phone calls made? >> jamie, what about the idea of working backwards there? is that something the committee is actively trying to do. >> they have been, and it has not been going very well. as we know, there are two people who were in the office that day, his aide dan scavino, his personal aide, mark meadows. both scavino and meadows have countersued, in effect. they filed a lawsuit to prevent the committee -- the committee did subpoena their call detail records, and they are fighting it. and that's a question of timing. there is just so much time they have to do this lawsuit.
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>> secano, i want to go to the getting rid of documents, flushing them down the toilet. flushing them down the toilet is something drug dealers do. have you ever heard of high-level politicians doing it? >> no, i've never even heard of white-collar criminals doing it. usually there are electronic records. people aren using computers, so people understood there were electronic records and the fight would be over the destruction of electronic records, not flushing evidence down the toilet, which is always a problem when you're investigating a trump case. >> we talk about intent. when you flush something down a toilet, it requires intent. yes? you don't accidentally flush documents down a toilet.
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>> it is so vivid that it's the sort of thing that would be very compelling to a jury if you knew exactly what those documents are. in other words, if there is some evidence that president trump was trying to hide something very damning about himself by flushing it down a toilet, i can't think of more vivid evidence that would demonstrate a consciousness of guilt to a potential juror. >> renato, one more thing. there was maybe a top secret level found at mar-a-lago. would something like this be on par with, say, hillary clinton's classified e-mails or use of private e-mail for classified matters? >> it certainly seems so. i have to say i thought that that investigation was misguided, and i have the same view here, in other words, that ultimately -- perhaps it can be investigated, but at the end of the day generally, mr. cobby was
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correct that they don't unwittingly remove information. the question is whether there was a willful removal of classified information from a secure location. if that was the case, there, of course, is a criminal statute that directly applies. >> jamie, can you weigh in on this or do they ever enough on their hands already? >> the committee said their job is putting it all out there for history, that this is up to the justice department. but just to go back to those papers being flushed down the toilet, it sure does look guilty. whether it's a drug dealer or you catch your kids doing something, he certainly had a pattern of circumventing, and as one former white house official who worked for trump said to me, he always felt the rules did not
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comedian bob saget. according to a medical examiner, he died of blunt head trauma possibly due to a fall, but there is a lot of detail we're seeing for the first time. randi kaye has more on the autopsy report and joins us now. randi, can you take us through some of the details in there? >> sure, john, this is from the orange county medical examiner that did the autopsy, and he lists quite a few conditions and injuries that bob saget had at the time of his death. he did say, as you said, he died of blunt head trauma. more specifically the coroner says saget likely suffered an unwitnessed fall backward and struck the pours posterior as o his head. i did get a is he rsevere blunt
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to his head because the autopsy reports several skull fractures. it would be in the frontal part of his head, but then we have this massive blow to the head. he asked what could happen if that is what the coroner is suggesting. he had a subdural hematoma, which is a buildup of blood. he had bleeding in between the skull and the scalp, also in the space that surrounds the brain. the autopsy said he had posterior scalp abrasions. remember, john, his wife said he likely just hit his head and went to bed that night, so really curious what sanjay has to say about these findings how that we know what we know from the autopsy. >> opener those findings, did bob saget appear healthy?
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>> well, he did test positive for covid. when he died, efrs phe was posi and he did have covid in december, so it's unclear if this is a new infection or if it was just showing up in that test. the autopsy also showed he had a huge heart and one of the key arteries was 95% blocked, john. >> they said previously there was no drugs or foul play. any update on that report? >> john, to be clear, there is no indication in this autopsy at all or any suggestion of foul play, but the autopsy lists several drugs found in his system. not recreational drugs but klonopin for seizures, panic attacks or anxiety. they also found trazodone which is often used as a sleep aid. but saget's wife in a statement said there were no drugs or alcohol involved and certainly no recreational drugs were found in his system, but the coroner
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does find those prescription drugs in his system. not at very high levels, but they were there. >> let's get answers to those questions. chief medical correspondent and neuro surgeon dr. sanjay gupta here with that. sanjay, what about the injuries of bob saget? >> with these types of injuries, you want to figure out if there is a mechanism of injury you can really identify and also the energy of the force of the injury. so, you know, mechanisms, car accidents, falls, things like that is what we typically think of. but then also how significant? if it was a car accident, how fast was the car going? if it was a fall, how far did he fall? these are things we don't know the answers to, but when you look at these findings, as randi pointed out, these are signi significant. this wasn't a more isolated or casual bump of the head, this was something that involved several different fractures. it takes a lot of force to actually cause these sorts of
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fractures. we can show you graphics. we put this together, john, to give you an idea of the different bones that were overall fractured in this graphic. it was the back of the head -- i'll show you on the skull model here -- it was the back of the head here, the fracture, and then it sort of extended into the right side over here. there was an abrasion on the back of the head, so that kind of fits with that. but as randi pointed out, there was also skull fractures over here as well in the front of the forehead, but there weren't abrasions here. there was some bruising over here. i've been doing trauma and neurosurgery for some time. if i knew something about the story, i'd ask if it was someone who had been in a car accident or fell down a flight of stairs because it does appear there was several different blows to the head. whatever it was, if it was a significant blow, i think there was a lot of discussion yesterday how common is this if
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someone hits their head developing this sort of bleeding? this was not, again, a small blow to the head, it was significant enough to cause that degree of fractures in different places on the skull but also the amount of bleeding as well. >> and, again, in more than one place, apparently, were the actual impacts in more than one place, too. sanjay, thank you very much. >> yeah, thank you. just ahead, midterms for the democrats just got a lot tougher. bad poll numbers for the president and a big spike in the rate of inflation. james carville joins us to tell us what they need to do to salvage an uphill fight. and boat...rv...life... ...home and more. you cocould save up to forty-five percent. (man) that's a whole lot of discounts. (burke) well, we offer coverage for a whole lot of things, and you could save a whole lot of something with farmers policy perks. (kid) sup, dad! (burke) seventeen-car garage you got there? ♪we are farmers♪ ♪bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum♪
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prices rose 7.5% year over year. that was bigger than expected and it means things got more expensive. despite a big boost in job growth reported last week, inflation comes as covid has put the biden administration on the ropes. president biden's approval rating a myriad of his problems. it's at 41%. that's an 11-point drop since september. president biden sfpoke about th big jump in inflation that is to air before the super bowl. >> when can americans expect some relief from this inflation?
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>> there are 14 of them that contacted me and a number of corporate leaders. it should start to be able to taper off as we go through this year. in the mieantime i'm going to d everything in my power to deal with the big points that are impacting most people in their homes. >> i'm joined by veteran democratic strategist james carville who often hosts podcasts. james, inflation at a level not seen since 1982. how do democrats deal with that headed into the midterms? >> act like you know what you're doing. it's going to come down with policies in place. if it comes down, you'll have a pretty good year. if it's still 7.5%, you're going to lose no matter what. 14 say i have policies in place and we feel confident it will come down. if it comes down, you'll look great. if it doesn't come down, you'll
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have a bad november. >> you're saying the only choice they have is to run as if it's going to come down, because if it doesn't come down, they're in trouble? >> exactly. go out, act like a winner, act like you know what you're doing, act like uit's going to work. you've got to act like you know what you're doing. and you go from there. but you have to exude confidence. >> what about covid? is it the same thing with covid? >> covid is dropping. i mean, like anybody else, i track the numbers every day. it's like this huge drop here in the last few weeks, and i'm not a public health person, but the public health people think this is going to continue. it's a drag, we thought we were doing better in december and that has had an effect on a lot
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of things, the president's rating one of them. but a lot of people think it's getting better. >> so with democrats racing to lift mask mandates, do you think there is a political calculation there? >> if you look at the infection rates and the decline is down state by state, 65%, 70%, you're going to lift mandates if you go from a positivity rate of 20% to a positivity rate of 3%, it's not a conspiracy. all you have to do is look at the chart and see that it's normal. >> what would you tell them to do with donald trump? is that something they should focus on? how much of a deal do you think the january 6 select committee will be? >> we have to wait and see when the committee comes out. i suspect their findings will be
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intriguing and devastating. but people want an election about their lives. they don't want an election about a former president, they don't want an election about any of this. and if you show them substantial policies that prove p.m. eople' lives and you run on that like he did in 2020, you run on that. the fulton county d.a., the archives, i have no idea. but what you can do is do the best you can to talk about how you improved america and win elections. he went from dr. new deal to dr. win the war. i want to be dr. win the election. that has to be our entire focus from now until november. >> does that mean not necessarily pin ning it all on trump? >> people have an opinion on trump.
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if their opinion changes over time, if you evhave a set amoun of time to change their vote, you can like it in the subcommittee. i'm worried about the crime rate. donald trump is not first and foremost on my mind. i think we better let the january 6 commission do their job and let's see where they take us. in the meantime, let them do their work and let's focus on american people's lives. >> what do democrats need to do in addressing climate? how do they need to be talking about crime heading into the midterms? >> they need to get a good start to do that, there was operation cease fire they did out in oakland that was very, very successful. you know, we can do things. in 1994 we passed some crime
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bill and crime went down s staggeringly between 1994 and 2000. this is the biggest spike in crime in the third year of a presidency. we need tro remind people of that. there are good strategies we can put in place, but hopefully as covid goes away, some spike in crime don't leave yet. we don't know that, but a chri criminologist thinks we can do that. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you. theprotests involving truckers in canada has other large cities wondering if they could see sosomething similar i the days and weeks to come. in your corner
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the protests in canada over vaccine mandates and other issues have expanded to a third border crossing with worries those style of demonstrations, some of which involve truckers, could come to the united states. canada's government says it is sending in more police across the country to deal with the protests. and the mayor of one affected city which lies opposite detroit, suggested to cnn today that police may have to physically remove some protesters. the affects of the protests has reached auto production lines in the united states and the department of homeland security has told about online similar protests to disrupt traffic around the super bowl sunday in los angeles and other cities including washington, d.c. in time for the state of the union. paula newton is in the canadian capital of ottawa tonight. this is day 14 of the protests there? what have you been seeing?
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>> reporter: what i've been seeing is more of the same. what does that mean? it means people are camped out and here to say. i'm going to give you the lay of the land. this is basically canada's national parliament. you can see it there. that's the peace tower. right in front of it, you have these large trucks, these riggs, and yes, john, those are portable toilets you're looking at. what does it mean? it means it looks more like a tailgate party. and they continue to say, look, they have the food and all the other supplies, including crucially fuel, in order to stay here. what do they want? they want all those covid-19 restrictions to be lifted. and believe me, john, they're not compromising on which ones. they want life to go back to pre-pandemic levels. just a few blocks away from here, police are trying to siphon off the fuel here, and i saw police drive right by people bringing in extra fuel to this protest. it is really just a one small look-see into how difficult this has been to police.
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and this is just now one protest in canada of quite a few. >> what are local police saying about it. are they ask for any extra help? >> reporter: not only are they saying they need extra help, john. let's be clear. take a look at what you see here. you replicate that in several locations now, at least a half dozen. police in this city are saying they need 1,800. in terms of active duty officers, that's almost triple what they have on the streets. have those reinforcements arrived here yet? no. the issue is the police have tried to take a softer approach. city officials want them to take a harder approach. the protesters here say, look, we're here expressing our views since people wouldn't listen to us before, we now are going to do this to get attention. and quite frankly, they, again, are saying they do not want to compromise on who they speak to or how long they stay out here. >> what about -- now, three
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border crossings, i understand, have been cut off. what's being done to address that? >> that's likely the more serious situation right now. we are at threes, at times four, major crossings. two of them are critical arteries in supply chain. and that's the reason this is going to get the biden administration's attention for not just the days and hours to come -- and those hours are ticking by. every time that happens that threatens the economy not just in canada but in the united states. as we have seen, people are fearful. this is almost like a contagion that is spreading, and people are fearful it will spread to other cities and towns. there is a lot of chatter about that. and of course the department of homeland security has already spoken to officials here in canada about it, as has the fbi. john? >> it's a mess. paula newton, thank you so much. appreciate your reporting. and up next, one more look and a few words about the newest addition to anderson's family. tn what's possible and balance risk and reward.
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we want to finish the broadcast where we began and congratulate, again, anderson and benjamin and now big brother wyatt and welcome sebastian luke cooper to the life. what a bright light and the best way to say good-bye. the news continues, to let's hand it over to laura coates and hand it over to laura coates and cnn tonight. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>hey john. my husband said i can't look at any more babies, he's done he says. oh, my gosh, so cute. congratulations, anderson. now, go to bed, john. i know you're tired. you work so hard. thank you. everyone, i am laura coates, and this is cnn tonight. and people who have nothing to hide don't destroy evidence that must be archived under the law. says who? donald trump. >> people who have nothing to hide don't smash phones with hammers, don't bleach their emails or dest
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