yet, that testimony was discarded it seems, as well. they have their reasons. but afghans on the ground are going to start asking themselves how objective that is. spokesman john kirby said they'd look at new information, we will have to see what he makes of this. >> all right. nick paton walsh, thanks for that excellent report. i am jim acosta. thanks for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. out front next. an urgent situation. the white house tonight warning that russia could invade ukraine in days. millions of people now in russia's crosshairs, as biden prepares for a high-stakes call with putin. plus, cnn learning trump has still not turned over every document that the national archives wants. what could he possibly have? and new confusion and frustration for parents. fda just announcing it is postponing a meeting on the pfizer vaccine for children under 5. why? let's go out front. and good evening.

i am erin burnett. out front tonight, the defense department announcing 3,000 more u.s. troops are now heading to eastern europe, as there is growing intelligence that putin is ready to go to war now. >> it is an urgent message because we are in an urgent situation. we are in a window when an invasion could begin at any time. >> the national security adviser, jake sullivan, saying putin, who currently has ukraine surrounded on three sides with ground troops, may even give the go order before the olympics and in nine days. if that happens, the white house predicts it will be swift and deadly. >> if a russian attack on ukraine proceeds, it is likely to begin with aerial bombing and missile attacks that could obviously kill civilians without regard to their nationality. a subsequent ground invasion would involve the onslaught of a massive force. but i want to be equally clear that one of those forms is a rapid assault on the city of

kyiv. that is a possible line of attack/course of action the russian forces could choose to take. >> there are currently nearly 3 million people in ukraine's capital. an invasion could lead to the worst bloodshed in europe since world war ii and that is why sullivan repeated what we heard from the president last night. that any american still in ukraine should leave in the next 24 to 48 hours. and all day, we have seen a flurry of countries with the exact same message -- get out. norway, uk, latvia, south korea, japan, estonia, all saying to their citizens, leave. and a ukrainian official telling cnn tonight, quote, the situation is really serious and uncertain. back at the white house, tonight, president biden not taking questions as he left for camp david tonight. >> mr. president, what has led to this new level of concern? >> and he did not answer that question. before he left, he spoke with america's key allies for over an hour today. the group, according to the

white house, ready to hit putin with crippling sanctions, should he invade. a message biden is certain to repeat when he is scheduled to speak with putin tomorrow. will anything come of it, though? obviously, it is a crucial phone call. is it much to do about nothing in terms of stopping putin's intent? i mean, this is -- this is it. this is the crucial call. kaitlan collins is live outside the white house to begin our coverage tonight. kaitlan, you have some new information about the timing of this call between biden and putin. tell me what you're learning. >> yeah, erin, a bit of unusual detail from the white house, which normally just tells us either a call with the foreign leader has happened or it's expected to happen. but now, they are telling us and they are confirming, yes, president biden is going to speak to president putin tomorrow about 11:00 a.m. eastern. that the kremlin wanted this call to happen on monday but the white house said, no, that they had offered saturday as the date for that call to happen. russia accepted and so now, this call will be happening tomorrow and it will be the first call between president biden and president putin since late

december. and obviously, in those six weeks, a lot has happened. and the white house has said even today that russia has continued to escalate, continued to add forces, continued to move those forces around. and so, that is the backdrop going into this call tomorrow. and also, last night. this was this abruptly scheduled meeting in the situation room of president biden's top-national security aides, and president biden, himself, and since that meeting happened, you have seen u.s. officials warning that this idea that maybe putin would hold off on a russian invasion of ukraine until after the olympics are over, out of a nod to his friend president xi in china, that likely is not the scenario here. they are saying this very well could happen before the olympics are scheduled to end on february 20th. and so, those grim warnings you saw jake sullivan -- the national security adviser -- delivering to us in the briefling room earlier today. he was basically telling any american who is still in ukraine that now is the time to leave. and even putting a pretty specific timeframe on it, of saying 24 to 48 hours. and saying that kind of like what you saw in afghanistan, you are not going to see any

large-scale u.s. military evacuation in this situation. so, saying to take those commercial options, to leave ukraine while you still can because they don't know what an invasion would look like if one did happen. but warned it could include aerial bombings. it could include missile strikes. basically, saying they don't know but they are preparing for the worst here. >> all right. kaitlan, thank you very much. and as they prepare for the worst, we can tell you tonight there are new u.s. troops on the ground in romania. nato ally that shares a border with ukraine. fred pleitgen is on the ground there with a firsthand look. >> reporter: as russia has just kicked off massive military drills with belarus right on the border with ukraine, the u.s. is not backing down. sending an additional 1,000 troops from the second cavalry regimen to romania. >> our mission is to reassure allies and show faith that we are here to support and deter

aggression. >> reporter: the reinforcement setting up here are only part of a larger deployment of thousands of troops ordered by president biden. that also includes additional combat aircraft, both, for air policing and for deterrence. with deployment of forces here to romania, the u.s. says it wants to send a clear message to both its allies and its adversaries that the united states remains fully committed to collective defense on nato's eastern flank. u.s. troops will be training with allied nato forces to make sure the alliance can operate as a single coherent force, in case of aggression from russia. >> if the time ever were to come, you know, they know that they can trust us and we know we can trust them. >> reporter: the u.s. says russia already has well over 100,000 troops amassed near ukraine. and vladimir putin could order an attack at any time. though, russia claims it would not. the next days could be critical. nato's secretary general told me in an exclusive interview. >> russia is increasing both the

number of troops, but also the readiness and their capability to act and to conduct aggressive actions in very short notice. so, the number of troops is going up while the warning time is going down. >> reporter: and the secretary general tell mess that's exactly why the additional u.s. support is so important. >> i strongly welcome the deployment of more u.s. forces. partly because united states is by far the biggest ally, and they contribute thousands of troops but also because of course it sends a very strong message of the ironclad commitment of united states to nato and to european security. >> reporter: both, the u.s. and nato say they hope diplomacy can prevail but they are stepping up preparations, in case it fails. >> and one of the things, erin, secretary general continued to point out to me is that, of course, the troops that the u.s. has sent this and the ones nato

has sent, they are all defensive. it is a defensive alliance, so they would not intervene if russia does a further invasion of ukraine. but of course, america's eastern european allies very much on edge at this point in time, especially also about the situation in the black sea, where the russians are putting together a massive naval force, air forces, and ground forces as well. and of course, as you mentioned, those 3,000 additional troops going to poland. also, extremely concerned the u.s. showing it is out there and it stands by its allies erin. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. live from that base tonight. and now, retired u.s. army b brigadier general. evelyn also with me. former u.s. deputy assistant of defense for russia, ukraine, and eurasia in the obama administration. also tonight, seth jones, director of the international security program for the center for strategic and international studies, and of course, seth has had so many of these satellite images and reporting here before

anyone in the u.s. government. so thanks very much to all of you. seth, let me start with you. i know you have been looking at the satellite images for months here. you have seen the buildup, bit by bit. you have been talking to people on the ground, gathering these images. what is the latest that you are hearing and seeing now? >> well, erin, what we are seeing is the continuing buildup of russian forces. larger numbers and closer to the ukr ukrainian border so that is the ground elements we are seeing moving out of areas and to -- to the -- russia's border with ukraine. we have seen them in belarus, too. and then, um, in the black sea, we have seen an increase and a live-fire exercises of russian naval forces. we have also seen exercises at russian air bases of aircraft that would be used in strikes. and then, lastly, addition hi concerning, although interesting, is the -- is the live-fire exercises we have seen by russian-backed rebels in ukraine. so we have seen them by both regular, as well as conventional

units. >> so, evelyn, you know, you hear what seth is saying. you heard certainly dire warnings from the president's national security adviser today. right? we are in an urgent situation. wants americans to heleave with the next 24 to 48 hours. i know you have been talking to your sources. does it sound to you that an invasion is a ert ma of hours or days at this point? >> yeah. i mean, erin, i think the tone coming out of the white house and or people that i ever talked to in the administration definite hi points to the fact that not only are they seeing what seth just described but they may very well have access to other intelligence that is giving them, you know, enough information to constitute what they call in the intelligence community a warning. right? so they are feeling like something is going to happen within days perhaps. that's -- that's -- that's the sense i am getting. it's not -- no longer -- and i think they explicitly even said it's no longer february 20th, you know, after the olympics and, by the way, probably not

because they are miffed about their -- their -- their ice skater who was caught doping or being doped because she is a child. you know, i think this is something that's quite serious now. and the fact that they are worrying people with this kind of urgency to leave tells me that we face a dire situation. >> general, dire situation. u.s. officials tonight, you know, i mean, they are -- it's -- it's as if it is a f -- they are saying putin still has a decision to make and we know that there is this -- this phone call tomorrow between biden and putin. what worries you the most right now, general? >> well, um, i'm less worried about deliberate operations, and more worried about miscalculation, mistakes or mischief among the forces, particularly those -- the separatists. i can see them provoking an incident, which would cause the russians to come in because they

would be delighted if the russians came into their assistance so i just hope that everybody is keeping a cool head about what's happening on the ground and we don't blunder our way into a fight. >> evelyn, let me ask you about this call tomorrow. um, you know, it -- perhaps there have been talk that the call might not be for a day or two. the biden administration wanted it tomorrow. putin acquiesced so this call is tomorrow morning. you heard it at 11:00 a.m. is there anything that could be said -- look, this call is all we have, at this point, right now, right? it's all we have. so, to say oh it's nothing, nobody wants to say that but what could happen? is there anything that could actively happen on this call that could change the dynamic here? >> right. so erin, i think it's worth remembering last time we were at this situation where the russians have troops on the ukrainian border, albeit, not at this level and not this composition, was in april. and president biden had the phone call with president putin, and the end result was a decision to meet. um, or to have kind of a virtual summit. this time around, it is not going to be like that. i mean, i think what president

biden has to do and what i would imagine he would do is really lay down, you know, piece by piece, the consequences for the russian government, for the russian people if vladimir putin proceeds with any kind of military operation. >> so, seth, you know, what we are hearing, right, jake sullivan. i understand they are trying to put warnings out but they are telling everyone to get out. they are saying it is an urgent message because we are in an urgent situation. and if a russian attack on ukraine proceeds, it is likely to begin with aerial bombing and missile attacks that could obviously kill civilians, without regard to their nationality. a ground invasion would involve the onslaught of a massive force. so, seth, this isn't just an incursion over the border to try to get a little bit more of danbas. that's not what he is talking about, right? possibly an assault on kyiv, the capital, and the entire country. so, do -- how does that play out, initially, seth? >> well, the russians have a lot of options here. i think mark mentioned just areas in the east of ukraine, the -- the -- the russians could

just stay in the east. use their irregular units, russian-backed separatists, and possibly put in some conventional units. they can move further -- we've -- we've looked at a range of onptions where the russians could move further to the river, which essentially divides the country, take kyiv. they could also move further west and take the whole country. the challenge, erin, is the further west the russians move, you are getting into areas that really hate russians. ukrainians that really hate russians. ukrainians have anti-tank missiles. they have got the jafbvelins. >> right. as you point out, when you are closer to the russian border, you have a lot more native-russian speakers. people who have been more sympathetic obviously to russia. so, general, let many ask you what the u.s. is doing right now. defense secretary austin ordered

3,000 more soldiers to deploy to poland today. upping the u.s.' presence, emphasizing that their defensive in nature. nothing has changed to the u.s.' position that they still say there is no situation which u.s. troops would engage in combat in ukraine tfsz. itself. so, what message is the u.s. sending? >> well, what the u.s. is doing is reassuring its allies but it's also to use the analogy, it is building a firebreak. they don't want the situation to go outside of ukraine. nobody would expect to see the russians continue on from kyiv into romania. but that's the purpose of those troops so that the russians do come across into nato territory, they know they are going to have to go through the american troops to do that and the consequences then just raise exponentially. >> all right, thank you all very much. i appreciate it. sobering evening. and next, cnn learning trump

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new tonight. former president trump is still in possession of documents that the national archives wants. that is according to a source nar with the situation. as another source tells cnn the archives threatened to go to congress and the justice department if trump didn't turn over 15 boxes he took to mar-a-lago. keep in mind, some of the highest level of classification. it is against all laws to remove those. he did. trump is fasz facing a growing list about his mishandling of documents including why these documents which again "the washington post" has reported that highest level of classification, top-secret documents were even at mar ha goe. and what about the new reporting from maggie haberman from "the new york times" about documents actually being plush flushed down the toilet at times in the white house? and then, this. why do white house call records obtained by the january 6th committee not show calls trump had that day? there is a giant gap of hours, in fact.

once president left his speech at the ellipse, comes back, it all begins. complete hole in the official record. out front now, democratic congressman jamie raskin who is a member of the january 6th committee. congressman, i appreciatory time. so let me just start with the basic question and this is one of the hardest parts to understand about this. so you are going long in your investigation. all the sudden, you find there is 15 boxes of documents at mar-a-lago, including letters from kim jong un and who the heck knows what else? some marked top secret and you are thinking well if there is 15 boxes of stuff there, who knows what is anywhere? you know, it is really hard when you don't know what you are looking for. do you know at this point how much is missing? you know, that exists that -- that you don't know about? >> well, it is a new day, it is a new mystery. and it gets curiouser and curiouser. donald trump has the same obligation everybody else we are in touch with has, which is to turn over everything in his possession. the presidential records act makes it clear that all of the

documents that he transacted as president belong to the american people, they don't belong to him. he knew that. one of the committees i serve on -- the oversight and reform committee -- sent letters to everybody in the executive branch, the heads of all the agencies and departments, to tell them to remind them of the presidential records act and remind them that it is a federal offense, it's a crime to on skond with government property in that way. and when he lamb baasted hillar and said she should be in prison for doing far, far less it's clear he has already done. >> right and i want to ask you about that because i want people to hear what he said about that. he always ripped stuff up. who knows just what he does? he didn't do it on purpose. he did know and i am going to play that in a moment but first let me ask you this. are you confident you are going to be able to get the documents that you want? and i am putting aside here, ones that he might have already torn up or thrown away or in a closet now at mar-a-lago even

now and thrown away. i don't know what is happening but are you confident that you are going to get what you are asking for? >> well, we are clearly not going to get the ones he flushed down the toilet, although we may have solved the mystery of why donald trump kept saying the toilets don't work anymore and you have to flush ten times. he may have destroyed the entire septic system over at the white house. um, so we are not going to get those back. some of the ones he ripped up, if he left the remains in decent enough condition, we will be able to reconstruct. i keep thinking about that scene of the umpa-loompas in willie won ka and the chocolate factory where they had to piece together some ripped up notes so i am not sure but here is the thing. the good news about donald trump is that he is nothing, if not transparent. and he said, as recently as two or three days ago, that mike pence had the power to overturn the election. and of course, on january 6th itself, just as we were coming onto the floor at 1:00 p.m., we got a memo distributed from mike

pence explaining, in very particular detail, why he could not do what donald trump was asking him to do, which was to reject electoral college votes sent in by the people arizona, georgia, and pennsylvania, and certified by their governors. so, the -- the basic -- um -- structure of this story is in place. we are just trying to fill in the details, and he may have been able to destroy some of the evidence. but i would say the basic structure of this assault on american democracy is well known at this point. >> okay. so, you don't feel that it's gonna block you from -- you know, that there is some smoking gun out there that would have shown that he, you know, knew what was going to happen that day, not generally, specifically, that somehow got thrown away? >> you know, i don't want us to overlook the evidence that is staring us in the face. i mean, donald trump, when he knew of the attack on the

capitol, when people were being assaulted, officers were being hit over the head with steel chubs, people were getting their eyes gouged, people were dying. while all of that was going on and people are chanting hang mike pence, he tweeted out further inflammatory incitement of the crowd about mike pence. saying mike pence did not have the courage that he needed to have to do what needed to be done to rerun the election and, of course, that was totally outside pence's powers. and pence was one guy who upheld his oath of office on that day, on january the 6th. >> so -- so let me ask you one other question here, and that's about the cell phone records. so obviously, you were able to win and get the official call log of what happened that day. and the official call log means you were able -- you made the case that we should know who the president spoke to during that sf entire day and you won that, and so they gave you that and there was this gap of hours and hours where presumably he was having calls on his cell phone and other cell phones. so do you think that obviously

since you won the case, that you have the right to know who he talked to? that definitionally, it should be fast in court if you wanted to get his entire cell phone records as well? because that is the official call log for that -- that -- those hours. >> well, we don't know exactly why there is this huge gap. we don't know whether, you know, that's something like watergate where someone deleted it or it's just he was using his cell phone or someone else's cell phone. we plan to get to the bottom of it, and we view all of it as discoverable, as you are saying, erin. i mean, we have a right and the supreme court has been repeatedly clear about this, we have a right to get the information that we want in order to comply with house resolution 503, which commands us to give a complete report to the american people and congress about the events of that day, the causes behind the events, and what we need to do to prevent a repetition of insurrection and coup in the future. so, we definitely need to know who donald trump was in touch with.

one thing that i am still trying to figure out -- i think all of us are on the committee -- is what exactly was the operational command structure for january 5 and january 6th? >> yes. >> going into the assault on the capitol. >> all radio it. congressman raskin, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> all right. next, the breaking news. the trucker-inspired protest on the american-canadian border escalating tonight. now, taking a major toll on businesses in the united states. with some companies being forced to take drastic steps. and a new cdc study tonight on the covid vaccine booster and when that extra protection starts to wane. we'll look at what you've saved, what you'll need, and build a straightforward plan to generate income, even when you're not working. a plan that gives you the chance to grow your savings and create cash flow that lasts. along the way, we'll give you ways to be tax efficient. and you can start, stop or adjust your plan at any time without the unnecessary fees.

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breaking news. truckers and other protestors in ontario, canada, defying a judge's order to stop blocking one of the busiest border crossings in the world. voting just moments ago to continue their protest even as the mayor threatens to toe their trucks, one by one. >> the border standoff has been devastating for many including

the u.s. auto industry. five car companies have been forced to slow or shut down production in an already-incredible hi challenged industry. the workers on these production lines are estimated to lose up to $51 million in wages this week alone. peter nagel, a senior research analyst, telling outfront tonight that if this drags on, it could cripple the industry, leading to layoffs, bankruptcies, and full-had on plant closures. miguel marquez is out front live on the canadian side of the border. so, miguel, protestors defying the judge's order. they want to keep blocking the -- the crossing. what -- what's happening as you see it? where is this going? >> right. so, that order went into effect a half-hour ago, 7:00 p.m. here in windsor. and this is the result. hundreds of people came out to support the -- the people who are parked up on this roadway that will not leave. uh, it feels very much like a

party right now. there is music playing. there are fireworks going off and people, generally, having a good time. the rain has stopped. it's not that cold for windsor, ontario. this weekend, it is going to get ext extremely cold and when night falls here, in the middle of the night, many of the people in these cars, they leave these cars. they -- they go home and just leave the cars parked up there. there is not a lot of people out here. we will see, in the hours ahead. what we expect to see happen is the police will come out here, serve paperwork, let them know how this process is going to go. this is very canadian, as one who has covered many protests in the united states and other places around the world, this is different than anything i have seen. they will serve them paperwork, they will let them know how it is going to go and then they will move in force. the province, the federal government, they have moved resources in, not just police officer and law enforcement individuals but -- but heavy machinery, as well, so they can move into this place and -- and show overwhelming force and try to move these folks out.

they have also moved in machinery to other locations where they have protests so i expect that this will all happen in -- in many locations across the country almost simultaneously, erin. >> wow. over the hours of the night tonight. thank you very much, miguel. let's go now to the president and ceo of martin rya international, car parts producer of brake lines, transmission, all sorts of things for every single global automaker so pat you hear me talking about they are in windsor. right? i know the ambassador bridge. there is other crossings. i am putting a map up here. miguel talking about how the canadian government will move in swiftly and with force overnight on this blockade. what do you expect to happen here? >> well, that is a good question because prior to the injunction going in -- going into order, um, you know, there was some movement -- not much -- on the

ambassador bridge. and there was movement on the in sarnia, which we use quite a bit up near port huron, michigan. whether that has changed in the last half hour or hour, i don't know. but it was about a four to ten-hour wait, depending what time of day we are looking at. so there was some movement but it was very, very little. into canada from the u.s. >> so how -- how much does this impact your company? right? a company, you know, you are providing part -- parts that go into every single, you know, auto -- every single automaker. you know, they can't produce these cars without these parts. so, how much is this hurting? >> in the -- in the first-few days, it doesn't hurt a lot because there tends to be some level of inventory that you keep between yourself and the customers in your raw material. what's happened as of today and maybe even late yesterday, what we call return racks. stop coming. so come of our parts are very large, and in order to maintain excellent quality, we put 'em in

specialized racks, send them to the customer where they remove them, put 'em in the vehicle, and then send the empty beracks back. well, the empty racks aren't coming back, and so that is starting to inhibit us. from a raw materials point of view, so far, we haven't had a lot of problems but, of course, that would follow. >> so, when you look at this, and you play it out if they aren't able to resolve this along the border, how much longer can this go on before you do have to do -- you know, take more serious steps like halting production lines? right? i man, if you don't have racks coming back, you can't ship the stuff out. i mean, that is just a basic reality. >> right. well, you know, compare the last year and a half with no chips and the auto industry being up and down. um, in the moment, this seemed a little bit minor. but of course, if it goes on for a few weeks, it could become a big problem. fortunately, as our problems started to happen, as i just mentioned, we are running into the weekend. and so at the moment, we haven't seen an impact on our people. depending on what happens over

the weekend and into next week, that -- that could change things. we will have to wait and -- and see if we start to see more movement. >> so, when you see that the estimates, right, that $51 million in wages lost this week, alone, in your industry for -- from people who were unable to -- to go to work because production lines are being slowed, stalled, shut down in some cases. does that sound right to you? i mean, you are at a position where you could see things like having to cut shifts or slow things down because of this? >> from where i am standing, i would say no, only because we haven't seen that impact on us, at this point. now, what the assembly plants are slowing down, some are starting to stop but overall, that type of impact seems a little high from -- from my point of view. now, as you start to shut down on both sides of the river, um, because these return racks that i was describing earlier go back to the u.s. with parts. so it actually inhibits u.s. plants, as well as canadian

plants. certainly, you could reach a number like that. but at the moment, i -- i don't see it. >> all right. pat, thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you and have a good evening. >> all right. you too. next, the fda now postponing a meeting on the pfizer vaccine for kids under 5. what's going on? and the shortage of teachers has become a crisis across the united states. in one district, so many teachers called out that the superintendant had to fill in and i am going to speak to that superintendent tonight.. ♪ ( unstoppable by sia ) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i put my armor on, show you how strong i am ♪ ♪ i put my armor on, ♪ ♪ i'm so powerful ♪ ♪ i'm unstoppable today ♪

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tonight, covid vaccines for children under 5 are being delayed. they were set to be authorized in just a few days. pfizer now saying it needs more time to gather data on whether three doses of its vaccine may be better than two, not referring to the third as a booster but as to whether it would be three shots for those young children. out front now, dr. peter hotez,

doctor colorado director of the center for vaccine development at texas children's hospital and dean of tropical medicine at the baylor college of medicine. and, doctor, i always really appreciate your time. so, you know, i say this cautiously because, you know, you want our system in this count ary is based upon, you know, they do the studies and take the time they need to take and that is a good thing, it is not a bad thing. however, when everyone is under the expectation that it's all done, and we are going to find out a few days and all the sudden, it is wait a minute, we are not ready, we need a whole lot more data. that can cause people to lose a little bit of confidence, right? i mean, what is happening here? >> yeah. and i think there is also a lot of disappointment, a lot of parents were really hoping they were going to protect their kids under the age of 5. i think there is a few things that were going on. first of all, we've known for a while that this was gonna be a three-dose vaccine. and the two doses just weren't cutting it in terms of the level of immune response needed to protect. partly because we went way down on the dose, from -- from 30 micrograms in adults, to ten micrograms in the 5 to 11.

down to 3 micrograms in the under 5. and for the 2 to 4-year-olds, it just wasn't as immunogenic as needed to induce a strong immune response in the 2 to 4-year-old so we knew it was going to be three dose for a while but i think there was additional data that gave some optimism. "the washington post" is reporting that last night a tranche of data came in that said no, you know, the two doses really aren't going to -- aren't giving enough of an immune response to make people feel comfortable. theyle are want to wait for the third-dose data. i think the other thing that happened, erin, although it is not being said as such, is the fact that omicron wave is decelerating as fast as it went up. and so, i think people are feeling maybe in the regulatory sense, maybe a little less urgency. if the ba 2 variant were here and there was a screaming level of transmission, that might have forced their hand to -- to move forward with two doses anyway in the hope that the third dose would give that adequate immune response but i think that one-two punch of the fact that

the knew tranche of data coming in the and the fact the omicron wave is going down made people say let's pause and -- and do the conservative thing. >> right. so, okay. so, that all makes sense. now, what about the new cdc study today that came out, and this is for -- for everyone, you know, older than 5. pfizer and moderna booster and its effectiveness wanes substantially, after just four months. now, i understand it is still very effective at preventing hospitalization but a lot of people hear that, and they say okay, i am just not going to be going getting a booster every four months. you know, i think people aren't going to be getting a first one at the levels we need in this country, never mind seem to go every four months. so how do you interpret this data? and does it, you know, i guess for lack of a better word, bum you out little bit? >> well, you know, we had a hint of this because there was modeling data out of imperial college london back in december showing exactly this. that the protection after the third dose was waning pretty fast. and it was on that basis, i made the recommendation let's give a

second immunization, fourth dose to the health-care workers to keep them in the workforce. so the data coming out of the cdc, published in the mmwr today, pretty much reinforces that. what is happening now about after two doses, still very -- after two months, still very strong after the third immunization. booster. but after four months, it is going down to 78% protection against hospitalization. 66 or so against emergency-room visits. still, very good but not as strong as it was. so, in israel now, they have decided to move towards fourth dose, second immunization for certain age groups. we might do that in the united states but i think your -- your more profound and probing questions is what's -- how are we -- how are we moving forward? is this going to be something in perpetuity we are going to need to boost every few months which could be pretty unwieldy and i think we just tonight know. we don't know two things. one, is this decline in immune protection due to the omicron

variant? or is there something from the mrna vaccine technology and that is something everyone is going to have to take a hard look at now in the next -- in the next few months. >> i mean, you know, you -- you put it into words, right? we got to know whether it is the technology or not. thank you very much. i appreciate your time. and next, the superintendent of boston public schools warning in a new op-ed that i quote america's public schools are at risk of defaulting on their moral obligation to children. that superintendent is next. plus, the 30-second spot for this weekend super bowl selling for a record $7 million. why that's apparently considered a great deal.

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. tonight growing warnings about the max exodus of teachers burnt out from the pandemic. the superintendent of boston public schools writing in a new op-ed and i quote, america's public schools are at risk of defaulting on their moral obligations to millions of children. our students are depending on

us. they get one chance for a solid education. out front now brenda, superintendent of boston public schools. and superintendent, i appreciate your time. we all know as people, we all know as parents that there is, indeed, only one chance. that's life and that's what an education is. how have you seen the staffing crisis affect the students in your district? >> well, it's been a challenge for our students, erin, in boston. it's also been a challenge across the nation. i've watched my superintendents along with myself, you know, pitch in and try to do everything they can. we've rallied our central office teams, and we've done staffing initiatives, and we've really been trying to make sure that our students have everything they need and the caring and compassionate adults in their classrooms. >> so i know you actually filled in as a substitute teacher recently. there were more than 600 teachers at that time calling out, so you substituted for one of them. there are signs that this crisis, right, and that might

have been in the moment because of omicron or whatever, right? in the moment. but this isn't a moment, right? this is a much bigger thing. and right now 55% of teachers say they're going to leave their jobs sooner than originally planned. i mean that is a crisis of epic proportions for the united states. how worried are you about it? >> oh, i'm super worried and that's why i penned the op-ed and i'm calling for a marshal plan. we need not only our local school districts as we try to struggle to get staffing. we need an all out hands on deck approach and simple solutions, and we need a sense of urgency. otherwise i'm very worried in the fall. >> you think it's going to be that soon? >> i really do. i think we need short-term and long-term solutions, and we need a coordinated effort. i think there's a small pool of teachers going into education. we can't be competing for them. we need to be collaborating together to find real solutions, and we need to do it now.

>> so as you deal with this, and as you are raising the alarm i know you yourself announced you will be stepping down as superintendent in june. so tell me about it. what led to that decision? >> well, there's a new mayor coming into boston. and with new mayors they pick their teams, and i said i would stay on. we've worked together, have mutual respect for one another and made for a really smooth transition. we were able to do some great things here in boston, build a strong foundation for the next team to come in. >> so it's that. it's change in management as opposed to you yourself deciding were in this group. so what is the single biggest thing that would help teachers? right, it's an in-person job and i think we've all learned that, right? and i know in general, right, across the population flexibility of where you work is one of the top things. that's just not going to be the reality for k-12 public education in this country.

so what is the biggest thing that can help you recruit more people? is it literally paying them more or something else? >> it's a mix of a lot of othof things and i'm glad you asked. an op-ed was written from a teacher perspective to mas make classrooms to build stronger relationships and have the support in place like social workers, counselors, psychologists to help with the mental health crisis we have. i think there's a lot of things we can do at the federal and state level like loan forgiveness or pay their tuition. i liken it to our military, it's that important to our economic stability and a democracy to have like a gi bill type of thing and make a easier for teachers to get that. and just urgently right now a retention bonus to show our teachers that we value them and to get them to commit to being in our classrooms next fall.

>> all right, well, thank you very much and i really appreciate the specifics because i think it's important people understand what they are so that people can start advocating and paying attention. thank you. next, about 100 million people will watch the super bowl, but for some of them it will not be for the game. (naj) at fisher investments, our clients know we

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that's how much it costs for a 30-second super bowl ad. that's $233,033 per second, a record high price. so what in the world could be worth that? well, the companies that are buying that think 100 million viewers is worth it. of course many people watching the super bowl only watch for the advertisements and commercials. thanks for joining us. ac 360 starts now.