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john berman here, in for anderson. and those words could begin at any time, nor are they gospel. it is vital not to get ahead of the hard facts on this. that said, the language from national security adviser jake sullivan reflects the administration's assessment of new intelligence about growing russian strength on the ground. we will get into that shortly with our military and intelligence experts. we will also bring you all the developments since jake sullivan's warning, and there have been quite a few. first, though, more of what he told reporters about how quickly the administration now believes russia could move. >> i will not comment on the details of our intelligence information. but i do want to be clear. it could begin during the olympics, despite a lot of speculation that it would only happen after the olympics. >> so, you now believe that russia has all the forces it needs to mount a full-scale invasion of ukraine? >> what i am saying is that russia has all the forces it needs to conduct a
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major-military action. i am not sure exactly what you mean by, quote, full-scale invasion. but russia could choose, in very short order, to commence a major military action against ukraine. >> he went on to warn any americans in ukraine to leave -- in his words -- as soon as possible and in any event in the next 24 to 48 hours. shortly after he spoke, we learned that defense secretary lloyd austin has ordered 3,000 more troops from the army's 82nd airborne division to poland. then late today, we got a better sense of the growing tension within ukraine. an official close to the government's thinking there told cnn the situation is, quote, really serious and uncertain which could be significant because you might recall earlier-this week, ukrainian officers were going out of their way to tachl down fears of a russian attack. we will go live momentarily to a strategic ukrainian city that could be directly in a possible invasion route. now, as for the kremlin, the russian foreign ministry complained that western media is conducting what it calls a
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large-scale disinformation campaign on the imminence of any attack. we will go live to moscow, as well. but because we are now getting word president biden and vladimir putin will be talking tomorrow, we begin our coverage tonight at the white house. cnn's mj lee is there for us now. mj, what more are you learning about this phone call? >> reporter: well, john, we know that tomorrow morning, this phone call is set to take place between president biden and vladimir putin. and notably, a white house official telling us tonight that, initially, the kremlin had suggested that the phone call take place on monday. but the white house countered with saturday, so that's why the phone call is now happening tomorrow. this certainly seems to suggest that the u.s.'s perspective is that they would prefer that this phone call happen sooner, rather than later. and it really does show that, despite all of this that's going on and the dire warnings that we heard from jake sullivan today, that the u.s. is still trying to go the diplomacy route. but i think it is very much
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worth emphasizing to our viewers that when president biden and his top advisers have, in the past, talked about diplomacy with vladimir putin, they have essentially said, look, this is a very unpredictable person. this is not someone whose mind we are trying to even pretend to read. so, this is going to be an interesting dynamic. yes, on the one hand, there is diplomacy still at play. but on the other hand, what we saw over the last 24 hours is that the u.s. is very much preparing for that diplomacy and the attempt at deterrence to fail. >> mj, a little more than a week ago, the white house changed its wording of the russian invasion threat. no longer using the word "imminent." so, why are they now characterizing it so strongly, again? >> yeah, that's right, earlier this month, white house press vek tare jen psaki took the podium request said look, we are not going to use the word imminent anymore because we don't want to wrongly suggest that putin has made a decision on whether to invade ukraine or not. to be clear, what jake sullivan
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said today is actually the same thing. he said on that point they still don't know whether putin has made a decision. but clearly, the information that they are trying to present today was of increased urgency. one, on the timeline. they said that, now, the intelligence is that this kind of invasion could actually happen before the olympic games end. remember, prior to this, the intelligence coming out of the u.s. was that it was unlikely that russia would invade ukraine while the olympic games was happening. and then, we, of course, heard the very dire warnings from jake sullivan directed at americans that are still in ukraine. they essentially said, look, you need to get out right now because we cannot guarantee your safety. we are certainly not going to be sending in american troops to rescue you, if you are still stuck there. so, we have certainly seen here from the white house, over the last 24 or 36 hours or so, a very, very increased sort of urgency in the tone that we have heard from all levels of the government. >> mj lee for us at the white house.
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mj, please keep us posted. next to ukraine and cnn's alex marquardt in a city that could be in the path of a russian invasion. alex, we touched on this at the very top. tell us more about what ukrainian officials have been saying about these latest concerns. >> well, john, i want to pick up where mj left off there. that urgency is not yet being echoed by ukrainian officials. we are not seeing that level of alarm that we are seeing out of washington, d.c. and -- and that does just keep with what we have seen in terms of differences between kyiv and washington over the course of the past few weeks, as this crisis has grown. that's not to say that ukraine is not taking this seriously. they seem the same intel jennings as the united states and -- and nato. they are very aware of the potential harm that russia could do but they have also been making a concerted effort not to spook or panic their population. um, as you noted, john, we are hearing from a ukrainian official who is close to the zelensky government who says this is a very serious
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situation, and it is uncertain. we are also hearing, john, from the mayor of kyiv and that is the capital city, of course, that jake sullivan today single out as a potential-early target for a russian strike. the mayor saying that they are going to great lengths to protect critical infrastructure. he says that evacuation plans have been put into place. that generators have been installed to provide electricity, that there are some-5,000 bunkers and shelters that people could be use -- that people could use if there were a bombing or air campaign, which -- which would be expected. that number has grown in recent years. but, john, there is still that daylight. we have seen the u.s. and uk and other embassies starting to warn their citizens to get out. to draw down some of their nonessential staff, and a spokesman for president zelensky says that the security situation has not reached a level, yet, where that is necessary. but jake sullivan, again today, reflecting what president joe biden has said to american citizens here in ukraine. and that is simply get out.
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john? >> what is the mood where you are? >> well, it really is remarkable, john. the lack of urgency among officials is reflected in the population. as i noted, they have been trying to keep the population calm. and if that was the goal, they have done a pretty good job of it. both in kyiv where many of our colleagues, of course, have been for many weeks. i am told that, you know, the streets are calm. people are out and about. i am here in central ukraine. it is 3:00 in the morning, but this was friday night. and all night long, john, people were out. they were in the shops, they were in the cafes. they were walking around. people are acting as if everything is normal. i spoke to a number of -- of folks who said that they are not thinking about russia. they asked me why would i even be thinking about something like that? um so, it is not top of mind but, john, this -- that could, of course, change very quickly the moment that russia crosses ukraine's borders. >> alex marquardt, stay safe, my
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friend. thank you so much for being with us tonight. perspective now from cnn military analyst and retired army lieutenant general mark hert hinge. also, steve hall who served as cia's director of russia operations. general, you have heard our reporting. the united states is sending more troops to poland and continuing efforts for a diplomatic solution, at the same time. is there anything you think, at this point, that the biden administration could do here? or is this just a waiting game? >> you know, john, i tell ya. i watch the pressor you were just talking with alex and i thought sullivan's use of the words could happen seemed to be the prevalent tone of what he was attempting to message. that is a prudent approach from our government and the nations of nato to take. but what's more important to me and what i read is the white house is providing a sense of urgency in messaging. for the first time, i see russia is failing to -- in their attempts to control the dialogue. you know, as i mentioned a
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couple times, there are four elements of national power. the diplomacy is working. the west is not divided. that's a goal of russia. nato has, for the first time in many years, a sense of purpose and they are stronger now than they were just a few months ago. russia is subjugated to china. the diplomacy amongst several european nations is extremely strong. secondly, information. russia has failed for the first time in my memory to control the information environment. they are on their back foot. the u.s. has taken a different approach. they are putting more information out to the public. they are having these press conferences. and that's pretty important to counter the russian's propaganda. finally, i would say the economic piece. the resolve and the unity on what the economics' cost will be, allies are on the same page on sanctions and export controls and, in fact, we are seeing some reflections anne applebaum had a great tweet this morning talking about the various oligarchs and what they were experiencing in
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places like the uk and switzerland from the effects of what they believe potential economic sanctions will be. finally, you mention the military and it is the last thing i will say. 3,000 more forces going from the 82nd airborne division going to p poland. that is the rest of the readied brigade. they sent the first tranche of that to poland a few days ago. now, the rest of the brigade is following. so that to me as a military guy is to be expected. >> so, steve, now to you. look. what type of intelligence is it that you think the united states must have received in order for them to increase the level of their public urgency, in order for these other countries -- uk and japan -- to issue these warnings to get out of ukraine in the next 24 to 48 hours? >> there is a couple things, john. the intelligence could have come from anywhere. there is -- there is a wide different variety of things that the united states can do. i don't want to get too much into that, to give a way the good stuff to the bad guys but i do think we need to be a little bit careful here with regard to the numbers game that we are
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sort of playing. so, for example, you know, american citizens, 24, 48 hours to get out. does that mean there is going to be an invasion or we have intelligence there is going to be an invasion in 24 to 48 hours? i am not privy to the intelligence any longer but i don't think those two -- those two things coincide together. it is just a reflection of the u.s. government trying to do what is it is supposed to do for american he citizens abroad, which is protect them and get them out of harm's way, which is -- which is what they would like to do. in my experience from serving in embassies abroad, when the americans go, a lot of other embassies stand up and take notice and say, well jeez, if the americans go and they ever got really good intelligence and really good information and really good infrastructure, we better get our people out of here, too. so, does it mean that there is this -- this broad sense of everybody needs to get out because there is an invasion coming? no, not necessarily. and lastly, the china angle and olympics angle. there wasn't an early analytical thought that perhaps putin wouldn't do anything during the olympics because it would embarrass or -- xi -- the -- the chinese premiere or it would detract from, you know, his big
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thing, the olympics. um, but does it mean that nine days is -- is when the -- the attack is gonna happen in ukraine and there is going to be an invasion before then? no. could it happen tonight? could we all wake up tomorrow morning and they might be in? yeah, it could. mark can speak more to what those numbers mean but over 100,000 troops on the border looks like a lot. so i don't think we know and i don't think vladimir putin made up his mind yet either. >> steve, first to you. president biden speaks to vladimir putin tomorrow. is there anything biden can say to putin at this point to change the trajectory of where this is going, whichever way that might be? >> it is a great question. i -- i -- it will be interesting to see how that conversation goes with the feedback we get from it. but, you know, i think the part -- the part -- the point that mark made initially is a really good one. putin did not expect to be in this position. he did not expect the type of unity he sees from the united states and our allies across the world. i think a lot of it is how do you get out of this now that you got yourself into it. >> general, we got 30 seconds left.
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you know the russian military well. does the world have a good sense of what their current capability is? >> no, they do not. they are looking at numbers, john, and that's a great question. i was thinking about it today. during desert storm -- and yes i am that old -- i was a young major -- and when 7th corps, which i was a part of, they had 140,000 troops in saudi arabia. 140,000, four divisions, bunch of calgary regiments and some artillery. the corps commander, general franks, put those troops and all their vehicles in an attack formation and rehearsed the attack into iraq. we have not seen that with the russian forces. and truthfully, they have not maneuvered as a large-scale forgs. now, that is not saying as -- as steve just said, that's not saying they can't do it but i got to tell you, if they do attack, writ large with 100,000 plus troops in ukraine -- a large country with 40 million people -- it's gonna be ugly not for the ukrainians, although certainly it would be for them,
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too. but for the rulgzs. russians. they will be dysfunctional on the disaster. >> general mark hertling, steve hall, thank you both so much for being with us tonight. we are going to have a live report from moscow later in the hour. zblrkts next, though, looking at a live shot of the bridge between detroit and windsor, ontario, after a canadian judge tries to put the hammer down on the trucker inspired protestors blocking it. a conversation with the mayor of ottawa, a capital city now lo losing patience with their own protestors. latser, again with russia. the russian olympic doping controversy. the team skating sensation caught in the middle of it after testing poz ittive for a banned substance and the question should she be allowed to compete next week? sports writer christine brennan has some strong thoughts on that. she will join us ahead on "360."
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we are looking here at the windsor, ontario, side of the ambassador bridge, which as you know is a busy link with detroit. and a vital one to the automotive industry on both sides of the border. as of little more than an hour ago, under a judge's order, demonstrators blocking the bridge -- and again, you can see them there -- were supposed to clear out. windsor police are now warning that violators will face criminal charges but no sign, yet, as you can see, that the order is being complied with. the protestors -- right there -- remain. the same goes for the canadian capital, ottawa. that's despite ontario premiere doug ford declaring a state of emergency and ottawans generally losing patience with the idling trucks and honking horms that have been part of their 24/7 lives for the last two weeks. i spoke about it with ottawa mayor jim watson shortly before air time. mayor watson, as we mention, you declared a state of emergency in ottawa and called this protest,
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quote, the most serious emergency our city has ever faced. what is the situation looking like as you head into the weekend? >> well, unfortunately, the weekends tend to draw more people to the site where the protest is taking place, which is right in front of our parliament buildings. about 400 trucks still in and around our downtown core, and unfortunately, the protestors have turned this into a bit of a carnival where they bring in bouncy castles and saunas and whirlpools. a great disservice and very insensitive to the residents who live in and around the area. they have had their peace and quiet disrupted for almost two weeks now. where there are blaring truck horns. that stopped because there was a court injunction that gave them some peace for ten days but it tends to build up on weekends, and then go back to a more reasonable number of protestors on the weekdays. >> mayor, the premiere of ontario, for american viewers, that is the province ottawa is located in, has also declared a
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state of emergency today, and promised severe consequences for those taking part in the blockades. do you know what those severe consequences might be? >> well, they include fines of up to $100,000, a jail term of up to one year. um, the possession of the vehicle. we have to hit these people in the pocketbook because they are dug in, they don't want to move. some of them have moved. it's actually gone down from -- from what it was two weeks ago but it's still disrupting commerce and tourism and it's certainly disturbing the people who live in that -- the particular neighborhood in and around parliament hill. and my message to the drivers of the truck industry and these are not really the mainstream truck drivers. these are a whole series of people who have gripes and grievances with government and policy and politics and so on but the bottom line is they stayed, they had their piece. they were listened to. and now, it is time for them to go home to their provincial capital and lobby their
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provincial government because clearly they are not making any progress. they are just annoying people. >> so in the letter to the prime minister and the premiere of ontario, you wrote, quote, we must do everything in our power to take back the streets of ottawa. that's something the prime minister echoed by declaring, this afternoon, that everything is on the table to end blockades. if they refuse to go, will these people be forcibly removed? >> well, that's one of the things t things that is on the table. our police service have been trying to negotiate with headers. the leadership is a bit scattered as you can well imagine in these kind of protests. but the bottom line, we would like to see a deescalation and a -- you know, a civil way of leaving, safe way of leaving the site because we have to go in and clean up. it's turning into a bit of a dump where -- bonfires and barbecues and everything else. the time is to -- my opinion and many other people in our city
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and polling has said this -- you know what? you made your point. it is time to move on. >> does the city even have enough law enforcement available for an operation to move them? or would it require the military? >> no, we have put in requests, formal requests with the provincial and federal governments. we have a lot of our other municipal police forces around the province of ontario who have come and -- and helped us out. we still need more from the rcmp, the mounties, which is the federal police force. i have been in touch with the prime minister, the premiere. those requests are going in. this weekend, for instance, we will have significant increase in the number of police officers to get that presence on the street. and particularly, in the neighborhoods where some of the protestors are going into restaurants, refusing to wear a mask, and harassing staff and really being belligerent to the residents of our city. and it is completely unacceptable. you know, i've told some of the -- the -- the media -- said how would you like a message to
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the truck drivers, how would you like these big trucks to come into your neighborhood, blasting their horn at all hours, keeping their diesel engines running when you wake up in the morning, it is the stench of diesel all through the neighborhood. you wouldn't tolerate that for a minute. you come to our city, which happens to be the capital of our country, not realizing there is vibrant neighborhoods that are just down the street from parliament hill. and you are hurting them, you are not hurting the government. >> mayor watson, wish you the best of luck. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for asking. take care. >> more now on the potential spillover here. the department of homeland security warned law enforcement that a protest convoy could take shape in the u.s., and potentially affect sunday's super bowl in los angeles. here to talk about it, jay johnson, secretary of homeland security in the obama administration. secretary, thanks so much for being with us. how concerned are you act this dhs bulletin and the possibility of some kind of trucker convoy spreading to the united states and potentially disrupting the super bowl? >> it's a possibility, and i
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think -- i haven't seen the bulletin. there have been public reports about the bulletin. those types of bulletins are issued to state and local law enforcement. i suspect that this is the department of homeland security trying to anticipate all possibilities that are more than remote, given what's happening in -- in detroit and canada. um, and so, the key is to alert local-law enforcement, state and local law enforcement, to be vigilant to the possibility. i've seen no real indications that these types of convoys are moving into the western united states and to california. but there must be an indication somewhere on social media, so state and local and federal law enforcement should be vigilant. when i was secretary of homeland security, and i issued a public statement like this, i would put out -- i would describe the threat. i would describe what we are doing about it. and then, i would tell the
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public, particularly those who might be going to the super bowl, we're not discouraging you from going but be vigilant, be careful, and of course always if you see something, say something. i have a lot of confidence in california law enforcement, in the california highway patrol. i am personally acquainted with them. and their ability to anticipate something like this. >> what would they do, in theory, if a threat like this did materialize? how could they stop it? or how could they circumvent it? >> well, as you know, john, um, los angeles, southwestern la, southern california is highways, it's interstate. it's five-lane highways. the california highway patrol -- i've seen one biker stop a five-lane highway. shut down a five-lane highway when it was necessary. um, they are very astute. they're very good at what they do. and i'm sure that they are anticipating the possibility of something like this. i am not a transportation
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expert, but i know -- i know those who are are probably focused on this right now. >> i don't know if you can see it but we are looking at live pictures right now of the bridge, the ambassador bridge in, you know, connecting windsor, ontario, to detroit here and with wie see protestor out there. dhs with is working with canada at all levels and preparing for potential copycat scenarios here. you have been there, you were dhs secretary. what do you think is going on behind the scenes right now in the united states, writ large, to prevent this? >> well, unfortunately, the ambassador bridge, in particular, has been the potential for a choke hold on our commerce between the united states and canada for some time. 25% of commerce between our two countries passes over the four-lane ambassador bridge and feeds into city streets in windsor. imagine, for example, the george washington bridge in new york
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city feeding into west 178th street rather than i-95. fortunately, there is a second bridge being built a few blocks south of there in detroit. can't happen fast enough but it is incumbent upon customs officials at the federal level, state and local officials to plan for the possibility of some sort of blockade on -- on key choke holds around the united states, in new york and california and elsewhere. and i am quite sure that, you know, the nypd, for example, is doing that. i am sure that the california highway patrol is doing that. and uh, we need to be sure that we have deposgot all bases cove across this country. >> bhurp dhs secretary, you oversaw several super bowls and security around them. i think we have a picture of you inspecting one of them -- super bowl l in santa clara. there it is right this. >> there it is. >> how -- how does the threat this year compare to what you experienced? >> i never got to go to a game, by the way.
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>> maybe -- maybe if you knew somebody. >> right. right. maybe, if i knew somebody. with each super bowl, and i -- i covered three of them -- the threat picture was -- was different. in 2015, 2016, for example, we were focused on small-scale potential attacks by the so-called lone wolf. at -- at a super bowl event. the threat picture today is different. um, super bowls are called sear ones, special event assessment rating ones. and the manning for the security of these literally begins months, if not an entire year, in advance of -- of each game. and it's a combination of federal, state, and local law enforcement that, over the course of that year, learn to work effectively together to protect the event. and so, i have a lot of confidence in our -- in our law enforcement, our officials to -- to think about every possibility here.
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and i look forward to a safe and secure super bowl. >> secretary jay johnson. next year, you and i can go to the game together. thanks so much for being with us tonight. >> thank you. just ahead, the other major controversy on the world stage involving russia. new details about a star of its figure skating team -- the preeminent star of the winter olympics potentially failing a drug test. why she was allowed to complete, despite it, and what about the country's latest doping scandal? . you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. when you sponsor a job, you immediately get your shortlist of quality candidates, whose resumes on indeed match your job criteria. visit indeed.com/hire and get started today. why do people who live with generalized myasthenia gravis want a new treatment option? because we want to be able to get up and get ready for work. because the animals need to be cared for, and we like taking care of them. because we want to go out to dinner with our friends. because, in family photos, we want to be able to smile.
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as the u.s. and its allies are putting russia on notice about ukraine, the country is also getting blowback on the olympic stage, i should say, and demands for accountability over its latest doping scandal. this time, involving russian teenaged figure skater camilla valieva, who is actually scheduled to compete in a few days. today, the testing agency confirmed that she was allowed to dpeet by russia despite failing a drug test in december, before the winter olympics. and the head of the u.s. anti-doping agency told cnn today the u.s. could prosecute russians who are actually or allegedly involved in her case. this comes, as global athlete and international athlete-led movement released a statement saying in part, russian athletes have no choice but to conform to the system. they either fall in line, or they are out of sport.
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falling in line sometimes means doping. joining us now, in beijing, cnn sports analyst, christine brennan. and, christine, so many new developments here. what is the latest on the controversy? and any sense of when it could be resolved? >> john, i will go with the last question, first. it has to be resolved by 6:00 p.m., beijing time, tuesday. that's when the women's short program begins. and camila valieva is supposed to be in it so i cannot imagine the court of arbitration for sport would go any later than that, although who knows with this drama? to me, the big news over the last 24 hours has been that the international olympic committee has finally piped up, finally said it is against doping, and finally is joined in, in this case, the appeal against the russian and the russian decision to let her keep skating. and it wants to have her thrown out of the olympics. that is the news. the ioc is obviously saying enough is enough. now, they should have said this
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eight years ago with the russians who have been cheating their brains out and getting a way with it and keep coming to the olympics even though they are not supposed to be, at least their flag, anthem, and the name of the country but this is what the ioc deserves, john, when you keep letting russia get away with things, it -- you have this explosion that is now threatening to just take over the entire olympic games. but the ioc is now saying what it believes that she should not compete and that is a very big deal. >> it is a huge deal. during the olympics, to have the ioc say that potentially the biggest star of the entire games shouldn't get to dpcompete. how are other athletes reacting to this at this point, and the fact that it is a minor involved here. how does that impact the investigation? >> right, john, and that actually as i am sure people are are saying yeah but she is 15. i am saying that as i am reporting this, and trying to break the news. she is 15. and this is -- that's sad. that's almost tragic in the sports' sense. that what -- no one believes that she is doing this on her own. her he team, the adults around her -- again, it is part of the russian
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state-sponsored doping system that, again, has been going on now for quite a while. that's a shame but if you believe in clean sport, if you think that there should not be doping, we should try to get rid of the drug cheats. you have to have camilla valieva out of the olympic games. most of the athletes you asked about, you know, they're so focused on their competition. you have covered olympic games. we have covered them together. and, you know, nathan chen was -- was asked several times about the team situation, the team medal because, obviously, this impacts that. if valieva is thrown out of the olympics, we can presume that the united states will then get the gold medal and the team because russia would be disqualified from the team. i have asked nathan chen about that a couple times and he just said, you know, whatever should happen, happened. but they certainly want a fair-playing field. i -- i also think the u.s. is playing -- is smart. the united states does not want to be out front on this. obviously, u.s. versus russia is tantalizing but the united states is really hoping now that the ioc takes control and u.s. does not have to lead the way.
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>> yeah. look, i don't think for a second that it is disconnected also from diplomacy happening in other places, too. this is not an area where the united states necessarily needs to be involved in that sense. christine brennan, this is fascinating. i expect more developments. i expect we will be speaking to you again, soon. thank you so much. up next. as critical-race theory remains a topic of controversy across the country, cnn's nick valencia speaks to one university of mississippi student who says her class on critical-race theory was one of the most impactful and enlightening courses she's ever taken. with a galaxy trade-in. any year, any condition. really!? even if my old phone looks like ...this?!? ♪ ♪ (girl gasps) dude! why?! (woman gasps) how could you! it's ok, people! ...i've trained for this. it's not complicated. everyone gets a free new samsung galaxy s22 with a galaxy trade-in. any year, any condition. ♪ ♪
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critical-race theory has become a lightning rod across the country. at its core, the theory holds that racism is systemic and institutional in u.s. society. school boards across the country have taken to banning the teaching of it, even though it's rarely part of any grade school curriculum. the latest flash point is mississippi, where lawmakers are trying to ban it, but it turns out the teaching of it is getting support from an unlikely source. nic valencia has the story. >> reporter: this is mississippi state senator chris mcdaniel and if he gets his way,
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critical-race theory will be banned from being taught in the state, which rarely happens anyway but we'll get to that in a second. critical-race theory is the concept of seeking to understand and address inequality and racism in the united states. >> the framework of crt -- >> reporter: mcdaniel recently co-authored senate bill 2113, which says no school shall direct or compel students to affirm that any sex, race, ethnicity, religion, or national origin is inherently superior but that individuals should be adversely treated based on such characteristics. mcdaniel says critical-race theory is the belief that american society is inherently racist, and it has no place in mississippi's public schools, including universities and community checks. colleges. >> systematic racism should not be taught to our children. >> reporter: last month on the senate floor, mcdaniel and his co-author argued for the legislation and watched as black lawmakers walked out in protest before the vote. it passed 32-2, and now goes to
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the house chamber. >> if you look at the plain language and again i have to go back to that -- it clearly states that we won't allow people to be taught they are inferior. we won't allow classrooms to teach the superiority of the a race or whatever the case may be. >> i thought the class would be like criticizing white people but we didn't even mention white people. >> reporter: republican law student brittany murphy believes senator mcdaniel and his colleagues may not understand what they are talking about. admittedly, she says she didn't either, until this semester when the second-year law student at the university of mississippi enrolled in law 743. it is actually the only class in the state that teaches critical-race theory according to the university. murphy says her own conservative friends and family discouraged her from taking the elective. worried that as one of only a handful of white students enrolled, she would be made to feel guilty about being white. >> has this made you feel white guilt? >> not at all. >> what has it made you feel? >> empowered to change the
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republican party. >> it is the reason why the 27-year-old wrote this letter to the mississippi house education committee asking republicans to reconsider their legislation. the class, she says, takes a critical view of decisions of civil rights' advocates, who are mostly black, not white people. to date, this has been the most impactful and enlightening course i have taken throughout my entire undergraduate and graduate education, she writes. not only has this course furthered my understanding of race and the law, but the prohibition of courses and teaching such as these is taking away the opportunity for people from every background and race to come together, and discuss very important topics which would, otherwise, go undiscussed. >> it is just like any other theory-based class we take in huh school. like, i don't want people to think that it's like this completely different class than all the other classes we are taking. it is just a normal class. academic freedom. and people are taking it away from me. >> reporter: critical-race theory has been around since the 1980s. a spokesperson for ole miss says it's been taught here for over ten years. assistant professor yvette
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butler, who teaches the class now, says the focus that's been placed on crt is a direct backlash to the perceived racial reckoning in the u.s. after the summer of 2020. >> we are not focused on things like guilt and shame. my focus, as a legal educator, is to get them to think like lawyers. and in order to be an effective lawyer, you have to be able to think critically. you have to be able to consider multiple sides afteren issue. >> reporter: senator mcdaniel disagrees. he says crt doesn't make better lawyers, but rather teaches them victimhood and blame. while the title of his bill is critical-race theory, the main text does not defwine what it i. when you hear a student say this limits their academic em freedom? >> it doesn't. there is only so many hours in the day. we are not talking about censoring books or censoring thoughts or ideas. she is perfectly able to continue her course of study, the same way many of us do outside of the presence of a professor. or better said, outside of taxpayers having to subsidize
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the message. >> so, nick, is the bill expected to pass as is and what could it go into effect? >> well right now, it is in the hands of the mississippi house and they have until march to vote on it. and according to senator mcdaniel, he believes that the bill will pass with minimal changes, though he adds, john, that he has been wrong before. and look, we have spoken to a lot of educators here in mississippi, especially at the university. they say it would be a disservice to mississippians if crt is banned from the state. they point to the fact that it is already being taught across the country, which would put mississippi lawyers -- future lawyers here in the state -- at a disadvantage to not have similar education. john. >> nick valencia, interesting perspective. thank you so much. in a moment, we return to our breaking news on ukraine with a live report from moscow. and with the u.s. on high alert, what will vladimir putin's next move be? (thank you, have a nice day.) ♪ (trumpet solo) ♪ (bell dings) (pages slipping) ♪ ♪
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however, russian officials have typically dismissed any talk of invasion. they have previously called it, quote, hysteria on the part of u.s. officials and the media, something they did again today. nic robertson, our international diplomatic editor in moscow with the latest. nic, what are you hearing from the kremlin tonight? >> reporter: interestingly, the kremlin came out pretty quickly after the announcements coming from the white house. the spokesman saying, look, we repeatedly reject these accusations that we intend to invade ukraine. we see it as a provocation, and we think under the cover of that provocation, ukrainian forces are going to attack those pro-russian, russian-backed separatists in the east of ukraine. the ministry foreign affairs, the spokeswoman there, who tends to often be a little bit stronger, if you will, in the criticism was again tonight, saying that this was hysteria from the white house, that this is provocation, disinformation, and threats from the united
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states, anglo-saxons who want to war because they have too many problems at home. if it sounds familiar, john, it is, because we've heard this sort of language over the past month or so from russian officials and it's in keeping with the fact that president putin hasn't made clear precisely what he's going to do, how he's going to respond to the fact he's not getting his way over his demands about nato. his senior officials seem stuck on the same track of their message. the message is they don't intend to invade. everyone is looking at it closely who is a military expert is saying the opposite at the moment. the two things just don't match up at the moment, john. >> as far as vladimir putin is concerned, is his brinksmanship working out the way he wanted it too? >> reporter: what we're hearing from the united states and from allies, nato allies, is the sort of information that's designed to get into president putin's
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thinking, to disrupt his thinking, to push him off track. you know, he came to this by bringing his armies to the border of ukraine, making this a huge international issue, of demanding that he got a response, a positive response to his calls for nato not to accept ukraine and for nato to go back to 1997 borders. he brought this about, and he was hoping by pressure to shake some concessions loose. those concessions haven't been coming, and indeed in a way you can see how he's being wrong footed, he's being pushed off his narrative here, he's being put in a position where it's been made very public that he might trigger an invasion through a false flag operation, that he might potentially have body bags going back to moscow, that the ukrainians are better a armed than they were six months ago. so all of that gives him a bigger problem than he was expecting to deal with.
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