one of my favorite supplements is qunol turmeric. turmeric helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. unlike regular turmeric supplements qunol's superior absorption helps me get the full benefits of turmeric. the brand i trust is qunol. one moment tonight that is not about crisis and chaos. there is nothing more joyful than what anderson announced on the broadcast last night, that he is a father for the second time. this is the photo he posted this morning of him with his new son, sebastian. it's from the day after young sebastian's birth, and we hear everyone is doing great at home. and that's how we'll leave you this friday, with joy and peace. the news continues. let's hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." >> that's such a sweet picture. oh, it's so nice to see him so happy and the second time around. it's very cute, john.

seriously. >> have a great weekend. >> thank you. you too. i am laura coates, and this is "cnn tonight." we've got a big show for you tonight. yet the white house warning americans in ukraine to get out right now. they're warning that russia could attack its neighbor with bombs and missiles at any moment. the threat is now, quote, immediate. so what exactly is putin up to? is this provocation? is this going to be backed up? we'll have fresh insight ahead from a former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor. we also have veteran olympic broadcaster bob costas with his take on russia's olympic doping scandal, or shall i say the latest russian olympic doping scandal, after the positive drug test of a breakout star of the beijing games. so the big question now is, will the figure skater be allowed to participate in the women's individual competition next week? and we're going to dig into that major lawsuit that you may not have heard about, but it's a big one, and it's against tesla.

complaints from hundreds of workers about open racism at just one california plant. you'll hear from someone who worked there who was awarded already millions in damages. and the fight for justice for the murder of george floyd, it goes on. a spotlight tonight on the little talked about trial of the three officers accused of aiding and abetting floyd's murder and who are charged with violating his civil rights. a lot to get to in that case. but first, less than 48 hours from the super bowl and the homeland security department is now having to closely monitor the possibility of disruption by protesters who may be aligned with that trucker blockade movement at our canadian border. that's threatening to further, by the way, harm our economy. and if you haven't been following this standoff like you should, don't worry. we're going to lay out for you exactly why you need to care about this. tonight, it's not just a canada problem. it's a north america problem by

the way, and it's impacting american jobs. it's impacting american trade and could actually worsen the already difficult u.s. inflation. you know, access to three major border crossings have been cut off by the truckers, and those who are -- i guess you call them the like-minded demonstrators. and they started out protesting covid mandates and restrictions in canada, but that list of the grievances, it's been growing and growing, and it's grown in the two weeks since all of this started. and now there are concerns that that list of grievances and that convoy could actually form here. in fact, the dhs has warned now in a bulletin that super bowl sunday could be disrupted along with transportation in major u.s. cities. it actually believes that the convoy will potentially begin in california as early as mid-february and arrive in washington, d.c. as late as mid-march. translation, that could even

impact president biden's state of the union address on march 1st. another convoy to the capitol area? i don't know that america's ready or prepared or wants that again. and the department had spotted some social media posts that gives instructions on driving from l.a. to washington, not just the actual path, but i mean screen shots of that road and the maps and how you're going to navigate that convoy. but it also notes that there haven't been any upticks in hotel reservations in the capital region, assuming, of course, we're not talking about people in their trucks as long-haul truckers. but they are saying there's no indication of any planned violence, so that is all very positive to hear. and of course, look, here in america, we know peaceful protest is part of a healthy democracy, and i do emphasize "peaceful protest" because people have every right to be upset with their government and redress grievances and also be

upset by the decisions that have been made by their leaders. but they don't have the right to block and impede the movement of goods, let alone be violent in any way. and people and services along that critical infrastructure, if that's impacted as well, we've got questions about how people view those protests, of course. and it's exactly why ontario's premier lashed out after having to declare a state of emergency just today. in fact, he called the demonstration a siege and went on to call it illegal occupation. and more than that, he's promising severe consequences for those who are participating. and there are also big developments tonight because protesters have opened up one lane on the ambassador bridge that connects detroit to canada, and the largest land border crossing in north america. and a judge has now granted an injunction to give the police more power to end the blockade, power to clear the bridge and

even tow vehicles if needed, and of course logistically able to do so. and by the way, it went into effect just a short while ago. so we're going to watch what happens there and keep you posted about why this really matters. and by the way, around 10,000 commercial vehicles cross the bridge you're looking at each and every day, with about $325 million worth of goods. some of the world's biggest car companies have been shutting down or even reducing production lines because of this here in the u.s. i'm talking about ford and gm and chrysler and other automakers. they're having to cut back production, which means that factory workers are losing their shifts and losing their paychecks. and it's only further threatening our supply chain if it's allowed to continue. that according to the ceo of the national association of manufacturers. meanwhile, in spite of all that i've just described and the

disruption we're all seeing right now, meanwhile some on the right and in the right-wing media have been fanning the flames. fox hosts have actually been cheering for this if you can believe it. >> the canadian truckers are heroes. they are patriots, and they are marching for your freedom and for my freedom. >> we want those great canadian truckers to know that we are with them all the way. >> the tide is officially turning. the freedom movement is growing. farmers are now joining -- this is an amazing scene unfolding -- with truckers in canada and the u.s., demanding to end every and all mandates. >> the question is how long before protests like this come here. >> do we need our own trucker rally to end all of this insanity once and for all? >> this is amazing. do you see the way he did that, to suggest somehow this was a good thing to happen. note, that's also a correlation assuming that this is not the

amorphous body that it seems to be where you've got the distinction of the list of grievances all the way down the line and challenges about figuring out just how to end it because it isn't going to be one single cause, and almost inviting it to come to the united states of america. now, why i find that particularly odd and you probably have a short-term memory of all these things, it only recently happened, and you might be starting to smell the whiff of hypocrisy here. because when black lives matter activists blocked traffic on bridges and elsewhere, i remember hearing a very different sentiment on that same network. >> and now one of their favorite unlawful tactics is to block federal interstates or other major thoroughfares that are used by law-abiding motorists in order to terrorize those people and then post the video on social media. >> interesting. i thought that was precisely the behavior that was just praised just moments ago in that sound

bite we played because if it was wrong, about it was wrong and illegal for blm protesters to block traffic, why is it that you can't get enough of this canadian blockade? and i hate to play the game about whataboutism. it bothers me to no end. oftentimes it's never analogous and people are just pulling out of thin air to have something to be polemic about. but in this case, i want you to imagine, imagine if it were the blm protesters mounting this kind of economic disruption. i want you to just imagine or maybe just recall what you just heard being played about what their reaction was then. and this is not to mention all the covid misinformation and conspiracies that are coming from the fridnge right that are helping fuel this border mess. frankly, this is a real concern that this movement might intensify inside the united states. so how will all of this get

resolved is the million dollar or maybe billion dollar industry question as well. let's go to the front lines in canada for the very latest to glen mcgregor, senior political correspondent with ctv national news, live from the capital of ottawa. i'm so glad you're here to talk about this because i got to tell you, when we're hearing about this and watching it, people here stateside should know and hopefully realize this impacts the u.s., and it impacts all of north america. what are you seeing there? >> yeah, the impact is enormous for that trade that flows back and forth between canada and the u.s., particularly at the border crossing, the ambassador bridge that connects windsor ontario to detroit, michigan. as you said in your introduction, it's crucial to the auto industry, canada and the u.s. auto industries are extremely integrated and they're just-in-time delivery businesses. so if parts don't arrive right when they're supposed to, the assembly lines stop and they

have to sometimes shut down shifts. then there's all the spin-off effects for the other companies that are associated with the auto industry. so it's an enormous economic problem in addition to being kind of a cultural problem and dealing with this uprising that first started here in ottawa. the truckers have been here for about two weeks, laura, and the police haven't really figured out how to get them to leave. but the police responded much more quickly in windsor and detroit because of the economic effects of it and, as you mentioned, the premier of the province, doug ford, went and declared an emergency today, got injunctions, and we're just waiting tonight to see exactly when police are going to move in because there's a 7:00 p.m. eastern time cutoff for that injunction. and those truckers are supposed to be off the bridge, opening it up to traffic again. so far, that hasn't happened, and we're waiting to see exactly when tonight or tomorrow that police actually move in and start making arrests, if necessary, and towing trucks

away. >> and here we are two hours after that 7:00 p.m. east, right, and thinking about what the consequences will be. and obviously the idea of trying to have a peaceful protest does not seem to be obviously the heart of the issue. it's the mannerism. it's the fact it's not this peaceful. it's disruptive in so many ways. at some point in time, i understand there was some level of empathy or some level of sort of hurrah that was happening locally, but that all turned. where do people stand now locally on this issue? are they in support of more of a police presence and ending this more than ever before? >> yeah, here in ottawa, which our city has been -- all the streets are jammed. horns were blowing late into the night, up until a young 21-year-old woman who lived downtown went and got an injunction on her own to stop the horns. but it's still very disruptive. the scenes are chaotic. there's diesel fumes everywhere. the truckers gun their engines right in front of the parliament

building. this is our seat of government. you imagine having that scene going on there. it's been likened to kind of maybe a buffalo bills tailgate party meets "mad max." it's a very strange, surreal scene to see in the city. the residents here are absolutely sick of it. the police, though, are really apprehensive about moving in because a lot of the truckers and about 25% of the big rigs, police estimate, have children living in them. so some of the protesters have set up bouncy castles, hay bales for the kids to play on. there's games. but the concern among police is some of the trucks might also have firearms in them, and they're very nervous about moving in to start making arrests and towing vehicles away if there is going to be the potential for violence. so they are kind of stuck, and they haven't quite figured out what they're going to do about this even though it is right now a very small group. at one point it was about 18,000 people at its height here in ottawa. much smaller than some of the estimates going around in

international media, as high as half a million. never got that close. but the group that's left is very small and determined to stay. >> to think about the idea of children being there and the idea of what it would be like if someone's not going to respect the piece of paper, the injunction, or the presence of the police. obviously there is an aversion to wanting to abide by what the government is saying in the first instance, so i really hope that this remains peaceful and that there can be a conclusion. glen mcgregor, thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thanks, laura. >> as i mentioned, there are concerns about this coming to the u.s. this is not just an issue happening in canada. we cannot lose sight of the fact that obviously what happens in one area of north america obviously comes down here as well, and we're already seeing this. as soon as even this weekend where we have the super bowl here in the states, we know that this might actually impact that as well. i want to bring in former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe on this issue. andrew mccabe, nice seeing you. every time i talk to you, though, it's always an issue

that's happening, the utmost security issue. hopefully you and i can have a conversation that's far more lighthearted, my friend. for now, here we are again. we know in the u.s. the impact of maybe a convoy of sorts converging on a government structure or even the capitol in the city. what are you hearing in terms of how this might be coming and hitting very close to home? >> well, laura, i think that the department of homeland security did the right thing about getting this bulletin out to bring awareness in the law enforcement community to this issue and particularly for those places that are not, you know, washington, d.c. or los angeles or new york, but far-flung places that might be targeted by this sort of activity. obviously i'm less worried about the super bowl in los angeles this weekend because you have a massive police presence there, a very well-developed law enforcement infrastructure already engaged to secure this

high-profile event, the super bowl, that many, many people will attend or at least, you know, be in the area. so they certainly have the resources to handle it. i think the concern is the further-out predictions of convoys deep into march that may end up in places that aren't as well prepared. >> it's true. again, you have places like in paris. they've already deployed areas. new zealand, other people in london have taken time to sort of counteract this. but going into march -- and, again, we're talking about the ideas of having these bulletins come out. is the chatter that people are hearing online mean we're better prepared to address it than what happened in canada? that's the concern here in the states. >> well, i hope so, right? we've certainly had our own experiences within the last year, speciaking specifically o january 6th of not taking seriously those warnings that are available on open-source media. so i would bet that the fbi and

dhs and other entities are listening to those threads and trying to get a sense of where the sentiment is right now. and certainly if a convoy of thousands of trucks begins to assemble across the united states, that's not going to be done in secret. you know, that will be seen and, you know, hopefully law enforcement will be able to prepare for the location wherever that might be delivered. but i think it's really important to notice that law enforcement is straddling a very delicate balance here, right? there is a -- this country is founded upon the idea that we are all entitled to protest, to express our anger with government. but we're not entitled to do that in an unlawful way that causes security concerns for others or disrupts the economy, prevents people from working. so it's a very delicate situation that i think folks are probably planning for as we speak. >> and one that becomes evergreen more and more, talking

about all the controversies about the first amendment and being able to address grievances but not like this. andy mccabe, thank you. >> thanks. from one international crisis to another. the u.s. says the threat of a russian invasion of ukraine is now immediate and is warning americans to get out right now. is putin really planning to attack? we'll talk to former u.s. ambassador to ukraine bill taylor next.

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there are increasing fears now that russian troops amassed on the ukrainian border now appear actually ready to move. you see right there. sparking warnings from the white house all the way to the pentagon. >> yes, it is an urgent message because we are in an urgent situation. >> we're in a window when an invasion could begin at any time. >> at any time. while the pentagon announcing another 3,000 troops are now

heading for poland. now, we know the president held a call with nato and world leaders this morning, and the top u.s. general held a series of calls with his russian counterpart and also nato allies. and president biden and french president macron are scheduled to have separate calls with vladimir putin tomorrow. now, the white house is saying that americans should leave ukraine in the next 48 hours while they still can, and they're saying there will not be a military evacuation of u.s. citizens in sharp contrast to what we saw just a couple months ago with the withdrawal from afghanistan. let's bring in the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor. ambassador, thank you for being here tonight. there's just so much to get to, and i want to start with that idea that they are saying that it could be an immediate invasion, telling americans to get out. there's no way to get them out from a military evacuation. obviously they are really sounding the alarm, so the question is, you know, putin has done something like this before.

is he being a provocateur, or is there some meat on the bone this time? >> well, probably both, laura. he's clearly being a provocateur. mr. putin is trying to bully, is trying to intidate president zelensky of ukraine and probably president biden as well. he wants -- putin wants to try to rattle the saber, to bring all these forces to the border of ukraine and intimidate president zelensky into caving, into compromising his own security, his own independence, his own sovereignty. and putin is trying to bully the president to do the same thing. he's clearly a provocateur. he can do it. bluffing is when you have a pair of deuces. he's got aces. he can clearly move in. putin can clearly attack. we hear that all the time. we know that's true.

but he so far has not decided to. so far, laura, he has hesitated and has been willing to negotiate or at least have conversations with people as they have come through moscow. >> well, to extend that analogy of poker, you've got to know when to hold them and when to fold them sometimes. is there an off-ramp? this is a lot of gamesmanship and though we're learning there is perhaps the ability to have a force go in with enough force and presence thatif this is not bluff. but is there a way out, or are we on a track and a path that is irreversibility? >> it's not irreversible. president biden and president zelensky need to hold them. president putin may blink, and if he blinks, he can tell the russian people that he never intended to invade anyway.

he's said that many times. he's said, i've never intended to invade ukraine. and, laura, he could also tell the russian people that he finally got the americans to take his security demands seriously. he can say that he's been trying to make the americans listen to him and take it seriously about his concerns about missiles in ukraine or b-52 bombers flying too close to the russian border. he can say that up until now, the americans never took that seriously. but he can say now they are. he can say that now the americans are going to sit down with me, with president putin, and they're going to negotiate an agreement or several agreements that mean that they'll never put missiles in ukraine or that they won't fly their b-52 bombers close to our borders. he can say that he has won. he has forced the americans to the table to negotiate something that will be good. we know it will be good for both

sides, but he can say it will be good for russia. >> what a scheme to just try to save face. again, it goes back to the notion of being a provocateur. it's a really astounding time. ambassador bill taylor, thank you so much. >> thank you, laura. coming up, california is suing tesla, citing hundreds of racism complaints at one of the auto manufacturer's plants. so what's tesla's defense? is there a culture of discrimination at this plant? we're going to bring in a former worker who sued tesla and won, next.

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well, a california civil rights agency is now suing tesla, this in the wake of hundreds of racism complaints from workers at its fremont factory. in addition to allegations that black workers faced discrimination in job assignments and discipline and pay and promotion, the lawsuit states, quote, tesla production leads, supervisors, and managers constantly used the n-word and other racial slurs to refer to black workers. swastikas, kkk, the n-word, and other racist writing are etched onto walls of restrooms,

restroom stalls, lunch tables, and even factory machinery. because the factory was racially segregated, tesla workers referred to the areas where many black and/or african americans worked as the porch monkey station and referred to the tesla factory as the slave ship or the plantation where tesla's production leads cracked the whip. one black worker heard these racial slurs as often as 50 to 100 times a day. and this, by the way, as shocking and appalling as the allegations are, this is just the latest in a series of racial complaints against tesla. just last week, a black woman who worked at another plant sued the company alleging abuse, quote, reminiscent of the jim crow era. while this past october, a jury awarded a former worker at the fremont factory more than

$136 million after finding that he was the subject of a racially hostile workplace. now, his name is owen diaz, and he joins me now. sir, i'm glad you're here, but i got to tell you, when i read about this and am hearing about the experience and your own trial in this issue, it is really shocking to think that this could happen once, let alone a series of things going on. what is your reaction now that you're learning about this new lawsuit based on hundreds of different allegations, sir? >> well, my reaction is it's about time. you know, unfortunately it took for me to win this verdict, it took a man to be murdered in the factory -- or on the factory grounds. it took a lot of other african americans to be discriminated against, and it took countless of women to be sexually harassed before the state even stepped in. >> i'm not sure what you're

referencing in terms of the murder. if that's the case, i can't imagine how this has gone unchecked before now if that allegation is true. i'm curious about what that case involved, and i want to look into that. i think about this and the ideas of the ways in which tesla has even reacted to this because i hope you can shed some light based on your experience. i understand that of your son's experience as well working at that facility. what they said was they called it misguided. this lawsuit was misguided, not yours but the one that was more recent, saying tesla has always disciplined and terminated employees who engage in misconduct, including those who use racial slurs or harass others in different ways. this lawsuit is both unfair and counterproductive, especially because the allegations focus on events from years ago. but then right here, i look back to an email sent to workers back in 2017 by, of course, the face of tesla, elon musk, who is the

ceo, and he warned against people being, quote, a huge jerk to members of an historically less represented group. at the same time, though, he wrote, if someone is a jerk to you but sincerely apologizes, it is important to be thick-skinned and accept that apology. this coming from "the new york times" reporting. mr. diaz, i hear that and read that and say if that's the position of the ceo, that if someone can apologize, i don't know how you apologize for swastikas, racial epithets, having it imprinted in the factory. what is your reaction to the overall culture you experienced? >> well, first of all, just look at that statement. you know, that statement right there said i should be thick-skinned. being thick-skinned right there is saying something racially, you know, historically racial. so they're taking leadership from straight up at the top. even, you know, my experience, i want to say let it be less about

my experience, and let it be more about the workers that's going through what they're going through right now, you know, because it's like my experience is over with. i was able to move on. but we still have workers that's there. you know, i've been saying and i'm going to keep saying, you know what? i'm not the only one who said anything. it was dewitt lambert was the first one that sounded the bell. you know, dewitt lambert took it to arbitration. see, that's one of the things that these billion dollar companies are doing. they're using arbitration effectively to take the employees into a private judicial system. when you do that, you know, it's effectively me crying to an employee of tesla, you know, because they're the ones that retain the arbitrators. >> so you felt like you never had a fair chance to be able to have the human resources department help you. your case, i think, is pending appeal because of the punitive damages that were awarded, but it sends a heck of a message to

tesla. this is the california civil rights agency that is now suing tesla based on hundreds of complaints. owen diaz, i'm so sorry to hear about the experience that you have endured. thank you for your time. we'll follow the story. >> you know, i really appreciate it, and i'll just say i just hope that the state of california calls me as a witness because i definitely want to continue this. >> i have a funny feeling you are top of mind, sir. thank you so much. >> thank you. you know, i want to turn now to an olympic-sized controversy. ahead, a russian teenage figure skater who led her team to gold this week in beijing, she's now at the center of a giant doping scandal. should she be allowed to still compete and have this shadow overhead? and by the way, who is at fault here? well, veteran olympics broadcaster bob kcostas is goin to weigh in next.

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new athlete, old issues because once again an athlete from russia is wrapped up in a doping scandal. a gold medal won already by the russian olympic committee's

figure skating team is now in question after a 15-year-old kamila valiyeva tested positive for a banned substance prior to the olympics. the teen, who became the first female to land a quad at the games, is now awaiting a decision on whether she'll even be allowed to participate in the individual competition next week where, by the way, she's been favored obviously to win the gold. here to talk about it, bob costas. bob, i'm so glad you're here. and as i said, look, the idea of yet another russian doping scandal. i mean there are second chances, but what number are we on now, and what should they be on? >> incalculable, and we should be at an end. but the ioc has enriched and indulged russia as they are enriching and indulging china right now. it should be said that today the ioc came out and said flatly, for once, flatly the russians

are wrong if, in fact, they're involved in this, and we believe that valiyeva should not be able to compete on tuesday. this is a 15-year-old girl, remarkably talented. she's exploited and a victim in this. the court of arbitration for sport will make a final determination prior to the beginning of her individual competition on tuesday beijing time. but it is reasonable to assume given the long history you've mentioned, laura, going all the way back to the soviet union and the '60s and '70s and maybe even before that, and now on to present-day russia. state-sponsored doping, sophisticated state-sponsored doping, where the athletes have basically two choices. go along with it and be able to compete internationally, or you're gone. i'm not necessarily saying they're locked up or something that draconian, but you're not going to compete for mother russia under those circumstances. and going back recently to 2014 in sochi, here are the russians

and vladimir putin hosting the winter olympics and right under the noses of the ioc, they switch drug samples. it's sort of this spy versus spy thing like in the old "mad" magazine with the hole in the wall and the sample goes out through one hole and the clean sample comes back in through the other, and this is only discovered after the fact. now, russian athletes are allowed to compete. you can say it was just a slap on the wrist. there's no russian national anthem. there's no russian flag. it's the roc, the russian olympic committee. so valiyeva and other russian athletes are competing under that banner. but we'll have to see whether valiyeva is allowed to continue. >> and of course what strikes me, this is a 15-year-old. you're talking about state-sponsored doping is the allegation. the idea of the exploitation, i mean how do you judge who's at fault here because of course you're thinking about a competitive athlete, and that's the choice, and you already have the idea of the slaps on the wrist. what do you think of the fairness in terms of letting her

compete? is it the message to send, look, even exploitation or not, it will only stop the state sponsorship if there are actual consequences, even if it means somebody caught in the middle gets banned. >> yeah, and that could be one of the consequences if the ioc and if the court of arbitration for sport have enough backbone here along with wada, the world anti-doping situation. if collectively they have enough backbone to do it, then perhaps for the time being this poor 15-year-old girl or unfortunate 15-year-old girl will be the victim, but she could continue her career subsequently. she tested positive around christmastime, and the russians apparently didn't take note of it. they pushed her forward toward the olympics. what's curious as a side note about this, as best we can understand, the drug in question is generally for medicinal purposes prescribed to older people who have heart problems like angina. the only possibility -- and there's even some dispute about

this among people who are very expert in sports medicine. the only possible advantage would be increased efficiency in terms of oxygen intake for endurance athletes like long distance runners, cyclists, cross country skiers at the olympics. but the counter to that is if you're taking even a 15-year-old girl and you're putting her through grueling training sessions four, five hours at a time, then endurance would become a factor, and perhaps you're looking for only the tiniest of edges when it comes to competitions that are judged through a very minute lens or other aspects of the olympics come down to tenths or hundredths of a second. perhaps looking for any edge, i guess it's plausible. but this particular drug does not appear on its face to be a performance-enhancing drug. >> and yet it could cost not only her performance but also the notion that yet again, the shadow overhanging all of the olympics, this idea of doping. we've seen this movie before, bob. you would think they'd be able

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that's it for us tonight. i will be back next week. "don lemon tonight" with don lemon starts right now. >> hello, laura coates. how was your week? >> hello, don hemmen. it was good. it was a good week. i tell ya, it's been a long week of so many things, i am not certain what comes for the weekend with all the news, right? >> yeah, well we got the super bowl and we have that pesky situation happening