thank you so much for watching. i'll be back tomorrow night. "don lemon tonight" starts tonight with the great don lemon. >> laura. >> hello. >> do you think that we have -- i don't know if things are changing because we had so much turmoil over this issue, but with the gun manufacturer giving, or at least having to give, being ordered to give that amount of money to the victims, do you think this is a turning point in some way? >> i think it really can be, particularly from the insurance perspective, right? there are so many analogies in my mind to big tobacco in the way we talked about big tobacco over the years, the major lobbying they had, the interest, the power, the marketing, the way they approached it. until it started to hit the purse, you didn't see fundamental changes. people still smoke, of course, we still have it, it's still pervasive. people will still own guns, the

second amendment will still be there. but i think once you start to acknowledge in the insurance industry, maybe, the high-risk nature, maybe that's one way to do so. >> and folks got billions of dollars from the tobacco industry, and they said it would never happen, the tobacco industry is way too strong. you can't smoke in a public building anymore. there's certain places it's froun frowned upon. it's your right to do it, but it's restricted in certain places. >> there was a time when we would walk into a restaurant -- remember this? -- and they would say smoking or non? >> i remember the smoking section in the back of the plane. crazy. >> that sounds horrible because that's the episode of "mad men" at the time. no, thank you. >> that and the liquor cart everywhere. thank you, laura. here we go. this is "don lemon tonight." what has been happening in

ukraine? what's going to happen, what is vladimir putin going to do? there has been some movement maybe in the right direction, we will see. an invasion in ukraine, though, remains distinctly possible. the united states is prepared no matter what happens. that is president biden's warning, but now we're learning there are even more russian troops on the border with ukraine, 150,000. the president is skeptical about russia's claims that some of its troops are withdrawing after drills and delivering a blunt message to vladimir putin that this isn't going to turn out the way you think. >> if russia attacks ukraine, it would be a war of choice, or a war without cause or reason. i say these things not to provoke but to speak the truth, because the truth matters. accountability matters. if russia does invade in the days or weeks ahead, the human cost for ukraine will be immense. and the strategic cross for

russia will also be immense. if russia attacks ukraine, it will be met with overwhelming international condemnation. the world will not forget that russia chose needless death and destruction. invading ukraine will prove to be a self-inflicted wound. >> the president speaking directly to the russian people, saying you are not our enemy, and warning americans that there will be consequences here at home. energy prices going up, more pain at the pump. homeland security says threats of cyberattacks in the u.s. are increasing in the wake of russia and ukraine. there are news tonight from the committee investigating what happened on january 6. they are targeting the fake electors part of the plot and what may have been the craziest part of all of it. just choosing so-called alternate electors, even though

that's not a thing. the committee wants to know what the battleground states know about big electors. the committee says reportedly spoke to the former president and members of his staff and transmitted documents claiming to be an ultimate elector. remember, all of this happened out in the open in arizona. >> our president, donald j. trump, state of florida, votes 11. for vice president, michael pence, number of votes, 11. >> then there's michigan. the committee wants to talk to laura cox, a former chairman of the michigan gop who they say reportedly witnessed rudy giuliani pressuring state lawmakers to disgrace election results and saying certifying

the results would be, quote, a criminal act. you remember what happened when michigan state electors tried to get inside the state capitol while the real electors were already inside doing their job? [ inaudible ] >> >>. >> the capitol is closed. >> captain, the electors, the gop electors are also on the

governor's certificate. it's a sealed document. the electors are here and trying to do their constitutional duty. >> we have new developments on two trials we ever been following from the very beginning. in minnesota, the first ever testimony from one of the ex-officers in the george boyd case. one of three officers who violated george floyd's rights, quote, saw one of the officers handling floyd and he saw his knee on floyd's neck. in georgia they called their first witnesses in the hate crimes trial of the three men convicted of murdering ahmaud arbery. they cited social media posts and messages in which travis

mcmichael used racial slurs and called black people monkeys and human savages. the judge ordered the jury to be sk sequestered. we have more coming up. it is a very, very busy evening. i want to get to moscow for the very latest and also with lieutenant colonel alexander vindman. he's former director of european internal affairs. he's author of "here matters." nic robinson, i'm going to start with you. president biden made clear he wants russia to prevail. he said there will be sanctions if they invade ukraine. at times it felt like he was talking directly to president putin. >> you really felt he was trying to connect with president putin,

and he was going to continue diplomacy, but we're not going to change our principles, we're not going to roll over and say ukraine can't become a member of nal nato, because a couple hours earlier, president putin said exactly that. president putin was saying, yes, i'm willing to negotiate, i'm willing to talk about these other issues like missile controls and transparency, but where troops are across the borders, but i'm going to speak about my core issues which is ukraine can't join nato. i think what president biden was very clearly addressing president putin and saying that may be what you're saying, but this is what upset you all along. we're not changing. we can have those talks, but this is how it's going to be. >> putin is saying some troops are returning to their home bases, but there's 150,000 troops already and then there are new satellite images that show russian bombers steven mils

off the coast of ukraine in russia, and helicopters have landed at the crimea air base in the last few days. is putin really sure about diplomacy when you see all that? >> the fact his rhetoric has often been deceitful. certainly in 2014 he completely discounted the fact that russian forces were involved in the seizure and annexation of crimea and eastern criminal territory in donbas. the fact he's being deceitful in this case is something we need to consider. that's why we need to go with the old military adage, trust and verify. only in this case we don't trust. we're certainly going to verify in the next several days if he's going to withdraw forces. until we see that, there shouldn't be any belief or any sense of the fact that we're past this complication. what i can say about president

biden's speeches, i felt good hearing him defend our troops, defend our country in something we haven't been involved in in several years now. >> and how important will ukraine be in that defense? >> ukraine has been rebuilding since 2013. there are only 6,000 troops at the ready to defend ukraine's entire border with russia. now they're closer to about 250,000 troops with another 250,000 in reserves. they're much better trained, their equipment is certainly better, but, unfortunately, the military capabilities, there is enormous mismatch with regard to russia's air power. it will have air dominance almost instantly as soon as the first shots are fired. it has a very powerful cyber

capabilities, warfare capabilities, long-range fires, and these are going to be very difficult for the ukranian forces to contend with. but they do have a strong will to fight to defend their country, and, therefore, they'll likely inflict some casualties on russian forces, potentially not enough to deter vladimir putin's aspirations to conduct a military operation against ukraine. >> i will ask you what the response from the president of ukraine was, but president biden had a message and then i'll ask for your response. >> to the citizens of russia, you are not our enemy, and i do not you want a bloody, destructive war against ukraine, a conflict with the people of whom you share deep ties, family, history and culture. >> how do you think that resonates with russians and ukraine? >> it's a really important

message to try to reach around the kremlin and the kremlin's machine, because the way the kremlin talks about everything from washington, it puts it in a bad light and says the united states and the european partners are the ones creating the tension, and the ones that are wanting to fight, and the ones that are putting russia in the corner and squeezing russia. so to reach around that and speak to the russian people is definitely a way to try to unpack what the krussians are doing. the way to do that, though, president putin has squeezed down on the independent media. a lot of independent journalists have left the country. they don't feel safe and can't work here, so they left. so it's very hard to see how president biden's message can land here because on state tv, it will get spun. we'll get the same kremlin spin

saying, here are these guys trying to build up a case, build up a war. i think where putin is concerned, it will run well with the people of ukraine. they are, like their president said, trying to stay calm, and there is this disconnect between how we perceive the threat they're under and how they per recei ceive the threat they're under, but they don't want to go to war with russian. s -- i speak to russians on the street and they say ukraine are our brothers, we don't want to fight them. >> the white house conducted tabletop exercises to prepare for potential russian invasion of ukraine which included officials from the state

department, the pentagon, the joint chief, the energy department, among other agencies. what exactly does that entail? >> it's really quite a sophisticated way of gaining exactly how the situation could unfold. they might not gain every contingency, every parameter, but you have someone play the adversary, someone plays russia, someone plays ukraine, and they talk through the different ways russia could achieve its military objectives, its legal ob objectives. that way they kind of uncover the indicators that the u.s. allies have to fend for with regard to refugee flows and displaced persons, protection of critical obstruction in ukraine with regard to defense of cyber infractions. you take it from table to grain,

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president biden saying that vladimir putin has amassed 55,000 troops on out crane border, also saying there could be conflict in europe. congressman is here. president biden is saying there's room for diplomacy but also saying the u.s. has not verified putin has withdrawn any troops from the border. how should the u.s. conduct their next move while putin is playing a game of cat and mouse? >> hi, don. i actually think the administration are playing this exactly how they should be playing this right now, and that is using all the tools, all the

letters at their disposal to put pressure on vladimir putin, diplomatic, economic, military, our alliance and partner structure. but i think the moves by vladimir putin in the last two days show, as they released video of him meeting with his foreign minister and doing things like shuffling his units around, i think it shows he's been taken back by some of the nato and united states with our diplomacy and with our declassification. they've actually been very aggressive in declassifying what russia is doing. i don't think vladimir putin was expecting that, and now he's had to reshuffle the order in the sequence of his strategy. >> there is still not that much clarity coming from congress in terms of congress. are they able to pull together to defend the country's best

interests in this crisis if putin were to invade? >> i'm not sure that's true. i think congress has been very united in a lot of respects, so he pushed back in a very united way on russia's aggression, on their support for ukraine, on the need for a sanctions package. where we disagree is on the timing of that sanctions package. i tend to believe, and i fall into the camp that we would sanction after an invasion, and the reason for that is very simple. this is about deterrence. this is about trying to deter russia from doing something, and those who know who vladimir putin is and how he acts knows that being strong and projecting strength is very important to him. if we sanction before an invasion, we remove all our leverage. there is no reason for him to back down. so the timing and sequence is very important. that's where some of the disagreement comes in, but other than that, there has been a lot of unity around this which has been a bit of a silver lining. >> i want to turn now, congressman, to the january 6

investigation here at home. the committee served sixtargetic officials from various states who may have been involved in the elector plot. what is the critical question? >> i think the critical question is what did donald trump do and what did his enablers do? the committee continues to submit subpoenas, taking deposition testimony, redoing documents. we see that they are doing what a law enforcement or what an investigation of this should be doing, which is working from the bottom up and see how high this goes. it's been a very precise and deliberate investigation. >> the committee is also expecting rudy giuliani to cooperate with the subpoena. a source tells cnn that trump's lawyer is willing to engage on election fraud claims despite

him being the source for some of the most outrage, egregious, wrong claims of fraud. how seriously should the committee take what rudy giuliani may even say? >> well, rudy giuliani's story is a fascinating and tragic one. here you have a man who used to be a federal prosecutor. he's seen a federal prosecutor actually take down the mob in new york city in the '80s and '90s, so he knows law enforcement. he at least used to respect world law. what happened to him in the last decade, i don't know, that's anybody's guess. he certainly turned his back on rule of law and all the things he used to stand for. but he understands how this process works, and i hope he will revert to respecting the investigation. it remains to be seen, but you hope he will cooperate with it. if he doesn't, there are subpoenas and a way to compel his testimony. >> congressman, what happened on january 6 shows us just how fragile our democracy really is, and your house colleague,

alexandria cortez had this to say about what comes next. >> you used to phrase earlier in the midst of this, if we have a democracy ten years from now -- do you think we will? >> i think there is a very real risk that we will not. i think what we risk is is having a government that perhaps postures as a democracy and may try to pretend that it is but isn't. >> do you share the sentiment? are you worried that the u.s. could turn into a full democracy? >> what i think is it's our decision whether or not we want to have a democracy and what type of democracy we want to have. that's no different from any other ten-year period. there is a saying that democracy is only one generation away from extension, and the reason for that is that democracy is not

self-perpetuating, it doesn't move on its own, it doesn't reinvigorate itself, there is no document, no process that just continues to carry it forward. it's actually just people. it's people deciding they're going to fight in court, it's people deciding their going to uphold our norms, our traditions, our democratic processes. we always made the decision to do that or not to do it. that's our decision whether we're coming out stronger or not, and that's what we're trying to do, make the case for a stronger democracy, people can engage. they have a democratic action in 2022 to say enough is enough. we're going to do better in this. >> somebody said that is a very finite idea of how democracy should operate. the big lie january 6, what's happening with voting rights and access to a voting booth all

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president biden addressing the nation and the world today from the white house, warning about the toll of russian invasion of ukraine, what toll it would have on the region and here in the u.s. >> if russia invades, we'll take further steps to reinforce our presence in nato, reserve our allies and deter our aggression. to be clear, if russia decides to invade, that would also have consequences here at home, but the american people understand that defending democracy and liberties is never without cost. >> joining me now to discuss is senior commentator david axelrod who has an opinion piece in the "new york times" entitled "mr. president, it's time for a little humility." before i ask you -- it's a time for a little humanity as well.

before i ask you, i want to get your reaction on president biden's speech to putin. >> i agree with him. i think he's handled putin very well and he surprised putin. he pulled nato together, he's been very blunt about what the consequences would be of an invasion, and i think he's given putin things to think about. i just -- i can't find fault with the way he's handled this. he also did something very important today, don. he told the country what was happening, but he also told the country that if putin did invade that we would respond forcefully with sanctions and there would be reverberative reactions from

this company and told why he would have to do it. he explained gas prices which is a major deterrent to the american people right now. they're going to go up if putin invades because russia is an oil-producing country. in fact, oil prices are already going up just on the threat of trouble in ukraine. so i thought it was smart of him to explain to people that that might happen so that they don't associate the higher gas prices with something else. they need to know this is a sacrifice short term the american people are going to have to make in order to preserve a rules-based world where countries just don't go in and grab other countries at their whim. >> that is an issue that is happening abroad, and maybe more people at home are concerned about their pocketbooks, but he is facing a lot here at home. he's facing inflation, a stalled legislative agenda, a pandemic that just won't quit, right?

dismal approval ratings, maybe because of all the above that i just said. he's giving his stfirst state o the union speech in two weeks and you're warning him to be cautious. why is that? >> because of my own experience in the obama white house. we did a lot of things in 2009 to help reduce the brunt of the great recession, and yet it hit very hard. millions of people were suffering, people lost their homes, people lost their jobs. and, you know, the compulsion on the part of an office holder is to say here's what we are doing, and you want credit for what you're doing, and you want people to see progress even if it's slow in coming. but you have to link up to where people are in their lives, and when you claim, you know -- make lavish claims of progress, i think people are rightfully

irritated by that. you know, we have been through, don, and you talked about it many times, this will go down in history as one of the great traumatic periods of all time for america. this pandemic, you know, we're closing in on a million lives lost, many, many people sick. we all know the story. everybody is isolated for months and months and years. parents dealing with children who, you know, can't go to school or when they go to school the rules are shifting. you've seen it in mental health, suicides, drug overdoses, v violence in the homes asknd violence on the streets. it's been tough on this country not to mention inflation issues all related to the virus. we've gone through hell, and joe biden, you said it right the first time, the headlines should

have been, we need a little more humanity. joe biden is one of the most empathetic people i know. that's one of his great strengths as a politician. he's also middle class joe from scranton, pennsylvania, a guy who is famously in touch with the experiences of people. he needs to speak to that experience and understand why people are frustrated right now, why people are angry. not to engage in sort of a jimmy carter-esque kind of malaise type speech, but just to say we've been through hell, we're better off than we were a year ago, but we're not where we need to be, but we're going to be. i promise you we're going to be and here's why. that's the kind of speech the people want to hear. >> listen, you know, you've been there. more specifically, you say -- i think you write more bluntly in what you wrote in "the times." you write about people being expressed out, burned out

because of the last few years. the quote you hear, and you tell biden, you simply cannot jawbone americans into believing things are better than they feel. you just said something similar but you were pretty direct there. explain what you mean. how has he jawboned? >> i don't know if you recall his press conference before the anniversary of his inauguration, but he was very, very energetic in selling all of his achievements and selling the idea of progress. and i just could see people around the country who are struggling still with this virus, who are struggling still with a sense of we don't have control of things. we're struggling with violence on the streets and we're struggling with all the p permutations of this virus and its aftermath saying, what are

you talking about? i do not feel that. you look at the polls, don, for this country and it's about 20%. democrats, republicans, independents, people just aren't feeling good right now. i think that's where you have to start. you have to address that and acknowledge, we have been through hell. this has been a really hard siege and it's gone on for years, and we're taking affirmative steps, we're making progress, but if you're one of the health care workers who have had to deal with this, if you're a parent who has had to struggle with your kids' schooling for the last two years, you know, if you're any number of other people in this country, it has been a really tough time. and he just needs to wake up with that. you're not going to persuade them by telling what you achieved. you know what, i actually feel fine, you can't say that. that's not the way it works.

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a big new development in the doping scandal involving skater kamila valiyeva. she declared two of them, yet a third one was a banned substance but she was allowed to compete, anyway, and she leads in the

program. valiyeva blamed it on a mix-up with her grandfather's medication, but now we learned that a substance treating heart conditions was found in her sample. tell us what was found, what's going on here. >> reporter: hey there, don. yeah, there's new information coming from the documents reviewed by "the times" and they say the 17-year-old had three substances altogether. two of them have not been banned, but they all have capabilities. they were used with intentional use. we're talking about a young teen who despite stumbling on her first jump put her in the lead of the women's skating competition. the isd has said no medals will be awarded until the

investigation is complete. no one was allowed in the stadium because of covid measures, but there were loud cheers coming from mostly her team. after the announcement, she burst into tears, holding onto a stuffed animal. the criticism is not targeting her. critics pointed out she did not have the know-how to take these on her own. she is part of russia's repeated state cheating, don. >> she is a minor and we need to see if there is any culpability there. thank you, david. i appreciate your reporting. i want to bring in the director general of the anti-doping agency. rob, thank you very much. you can add a perspective to this that not many people can. happy to have you here. the three drugs were found to be heart medications, yet they are not used in contemporary cardiology practice to treat patients with heart disease. tell us about what was found in

her sample and what would it be used for? >> the right is it doesn't matter if it's one, two, or three substances found in her sample. there is a principle of strict liability that she was taking a substance that is prohibited under the world of doping code. we put blame on three organizations for putting this young child in this position. it's the world anti-doping agency, the olympic committee and the world of sport. they had the ability to ban russia from the games and they refused to do so. they chose politics over principle and russian interest over athlete interest. and as a result, there was no need for cultural change in russia. we've talked to whistleblowers from russia, and they told us either you're a part of the system or you're out of the system. and part of the system may require you to dope. we have seen this over the past seven days with kamila who has

been found doping, and now instead of removing her, they put her back on the ice. the competitors don't want her there. the world is looking at her as a doping cheat, and then the ioc thinks it's wise to tell everybody that no one will get medals for the team or individual events. that will be stuck on this young child. the psychological damage they're doing to her, simply unacceptable. >> what about this excuse that her sample was confused with her grandfather's medication. the head of the doping association says it's not a trace level. >> there is a principle of strict liability. you're always responsible for what goes into your system. if it was a mistake, there is potential redemption from a four-year to a two-year sanction. and shame on these organizations for putting this young child in

this position. >> you have to look at the adults in her life, right? she is a minor. let's go back to 2014. russia just instigated a so-called doping scheme at the games. had the doping committee addressed this back then, is russia so emboldened by violating the rules? >> absolutely. time and time again, the ioc and the court of arbitrations have given russia a free pass. there is no need for cultural change. they will simply continue with business as usual. we put that on the organizations. the organizations i run now and the other independent athlete groups, we've been calling for reforms for the past seven years of these organizations, to have a 50-50 partnership with athletes and sport to ensure this never happens again. like i said, it's politics over principle and who loses out in

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