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laura? and thank you so much. i am laura coates, and this is "cnn tonight." there's what russia says, and then there's what russia does, according to the white house. and tonight there are new assessments from high up that putin's trying to play the west for fools. according to a senior u.s. official, there is, quote, every indication, unquote, that russia is privately mobilizing for war, while of course publicly offering to talk. this official tells cnn the russian claims of pulling forces back from ukraine and deescalating, well, they're all false, they say, when, in fact, putin's amassed approximately 7,000 more troops at ukraine's borders in just recent days. these new buildup estimates would place the number of russian forces circling around ukraine at around 157,000. president biden cited 150,000 estimate just yesterday in his televised address. so, all those videos put out by
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russia's ministry of defense of tanks leave crimea and elsewhere, all that talk of troops allegedly returns to home bases, i've got to ask, was that part of a choreographed scheme by the kremlin to make it look like moscow's deescalating when, in fact, it's doing the opposite? because there are new satellite images that show a new bridge being built across a key river in belarus, less than four miles, i might add, from the ukrainian border, along with a new road construction. sources believe the roads and bridge could be used by russian forces currently in belarus to drive to the ukrainian capital of kyiv. belarus is russia's closest international ally in the standoff. a senior biden administration official warns to expect more false reports from russian state media over the few coming days and also to watch out for putin's public openness to diplomacy because this official
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suggests it's all perhaps a guise. but they do say the u.s. will still continue to pursue diplomacy over the coming days. so, what kind of game exactly might putin be playing? as he realizes, of course, the age of satellite technology where cameras and the world are watching and someone could be onto him? or does he even care? frankly, there are a lot of unanswered questions. it's impossible, as you know, to assess what exactly putin wants. but both nato and president biden say the u.s. and allies are prepared. and part of that preparation is nato increasing its presence in eastern europe to bolster allies that are neighboring ukraine, of course with the help of u.s. forces. more are arriving in poland. and that's where our nick paton walsh is tonight, near that very border with ukraine. nick, i'm glad you're there. what are you seeing on the ground? and really my first question, above all else, you know, is it
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happening or isn't it? there's the tale of two countries in what's being told. what are you seeing? >> reporter: well, certainly in terms of what the signals are of what's been happening around ukraine on its eastern flank, where russian troops are, it is very hard to divine precisely whether we're beginning to see a deescalation, or as we heard very imfatically from the white house, from the secretary general, that we are in fact seeing a slow continued mobilization. the figures there rising by 7,000, up from the 150,000 president joe biden mentioned yesterday. it may be that it takes a number of days for president putin's suggestion of withdrawal to come in effect. you have to remember over the past 10, 20 years, we've seen another complex, russia talking peace while advancing its military position on the ground. this may be what we're seeing here with the idea of hiding
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what your true intentions are. here, though, in poland, on the other western side of ukraine, today at the airport not far from where i'm standing, we saw hundreds of u.s. troops coming in from the 82nd airborne from fort bragg, blackhawks and accompaniment too. bringing in some of the top brass, trucks, palettes, a lot of equipment being moved in. this is no small measure here. it is essentially, we're told, adjusting case measure. in case, they are required to help u.s. inside ukraine to get out of that country. there is the potential for a wide admission as well. we saw a tent encampment where the 82nd are essentially going to year but also nearby larger tents being erected too, perhaps for more extensive operation here. this is not symbolic.
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clearly, the strength in forces here shows they feel they may have to actually do something at some point in the weeks ahead, although i'm sure the abiding sentiment is they would much better find themselves bored and cold on the canvas here doing little. but it is stark, laura, to having seen over the years nato practicing drills, military maneuvers like this because of their concern on the eastern flank, since russia moved into crimea in 2014. to see it occur in reality on the ground here because of a perceived actual threat, startling in europe 2022, laura. >> absolutely. nick, thank you so much for your excellent reporting as always. as he said, there's new of yet another 7,000 russian troops that are arriving at the ukrainian border. and this comes as ukrainian report obtained exclusive by cnn says the number of russian forces remains still insufficient for a full scale invasion. let's discuss now the military options that vladimir putin has with retired lieutenant colonel
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daniel davis. colonel, welcome. i'm so glad that you're here to help us try to understand this. the initial question, of course, for everyone, as nick was talking about, look, the putin the great provocateur, or is this gamesmanship that puts us all at the brink? >> without question, it's gamesmanship but with very decidely deadly potential consequences. there's something we've got to understand right up front. and it's the stone cold reality everybody needs to come to grips with, especially in washington. and that is that ukraine does not matter to america national security, but avoiding nuclear war with russia does. that's the reason you see president biden take off the table there's no possibility he's going to send u.s. troops in to fight russia on behalf of ukraine. nato has said they're not going to. it's clear that if there's an invasion, ukraine is on their own. if we understand that, we have to come to the -- ask the question, if ukraine, membership
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in nato is what's absolutely driving putin, and it is. he's been saying that literally since 2007, then we have to say, why should we keep saying the door's going to be open when we are never going to allow ukraine in nato? there's no way they would come in. we don't even want them in. let's don't keep that door open if it's going to get ukraine invade snd. >> i understand that. but isn't it part of the gamesmanship putin may be playing. if ukraine sees to trigger the obligation to act in support of the nato ally, it's in putin's interest to continue the gamesmanship over them. is that part of the thought here, or is it also equal parts emotional? we can't always read into the tea leaves, but is putin saying the reason is ukraine should belong to me? >> he actual will you doesn't want it to belong to him. he just wants to make sure it doesn't belong to nato, which is why when the ukrainian
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ambassador said, maybe we should take our request for nato off the table, and zelenski actually echoed it some hours later. the kremlin immediately jumped on that and said, yes, that is a great idea. that could deescalate things and something we would like to proceed and talk about. >> let me ask you something on deescalation. how we supposed to know? is there some sort of warning in the idea, how will the united states know we are no longer in the reactive? are we sitting ducks waiting for every chess piece to be made by putin? are we going to have an understanding of did we have everything in place to accomplish this? the troop numbers very sub substanceal. is it enough? >> as one that has engaged in combat with tanks and armored vehicles, they have combat power to slice ukraine in half and do whatever they want to, especially in the eastern part. there is no doubt. of course it is growing by the day. so, we have to take these dispositions very seriously.
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and to your point earlier about, you know, putin's saying one thing but then doing another, we have to look at what he's doing. forget about what he's saying. we have to look at the type of forces, their physical location, and the fact that they are ready for action. and i have been in that situation before. once you get ready for action, it's hard to pull it back down, which is why we need to deescalate the situation and just acknowledge the reality and take nato membership off the table for ukraine. >> let me ask, at what cost to russia? it feels as though you're talking about perhaps maybe a kamikaze type of situation here. do they have the ability to pull it off and at no great risk or cost to russia? because obviously i'm sure putin is thinking about the ability to do it versus what cost it would be in the long run. and of course we know that you have americans, at least, to bolster the nato allies. so, what is the cost to russia if they do this? >> i'll tell you, all these
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troops that are in poland and elsewhere, russia is not even threatening to do anything. so, those troops have no impact on putin's calculation here. they're literally inconsequential. the other thing we like to talk about is the catastrophic sanctions and everything else, the pain it would cause. that's a double edged sword. i can assure you, there's many countries in europe -- germany being one of the leading ones -- that are not excited about that because it will harm their economy. 50% of their daily gas supply comes from russia, and if russia decides to turn it off, what's germany going to do? it's going to decimate their economic output because they won't have enough gas to keep the electricity on. so, we have to be careful we don't hurt our own self over something we are never going to do anyway. we are never going to bring ukraine into nato. >> in that respect, you heard yesterday, president biden was speaking but he was speaking as commander in chief at this point in time, also top diplomat in many respects s. the bhous doing what they need to do, taking
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into consideration what you just articulated, the idea of it being a fools errand? are they doing enough or the right course of action? >> i don't think so. i think that we are stuck in a cold war mentality where we get to call all the shots, as we have since 1991. and the balance of power has come back to something near equilibrium. we don't have the luxury to just tell russia what we're going to do anymore. and if we keep trying to push that line we're going to get ukraine invaded unnecessarily. this can be pulled down and not even happen or at least a good chance for it not to happen. but if we press forward with this and say, no, we're not going to let putin tell us what to do, most likely ukraine is going to pay in blood for that decision. >> this can never be about chest beating. there's so many things at stake. >> it shouldn't be. >> it shouldn't be, right? but we know the history of the world. thank you so much lieutenant colonel. i'm glad you were here. up ahead, prosecutors vented new evidences today in the federal hate crimes trial for the killers of ahmaud arbery,
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one who actually shot ahmaud arbery. in a text he sent to a friend on why he liked his new job, he said, it was because he didn't like black people. quote, they ruin everything. that's why i love what i do now, not an n-word in sight, unquote. in another instance he responded to a video where a black man put barbecue sauce on a white man's head, responding, i would kill that fing n-word. he described black people as monkeys and savages and commented under a black lives matter protest video, he wished for a semiautomatic gun to shoot them. his dad claimed white irish slaves were treated worse than any other race in the u.s. but that they aren't asking for handouts. their accomplice, william "roddie" bryan, he regularly
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used slurs and at one point referenced martin luther king as a monkey parade. that was but a sliver. in the grand endeavor to pursue justice in the form of a hate crime, they're off to a heck of a start from the prosecution. do you think so? >> yeah, without question, laura. always good to see you and be you. the bottom line here is that i know you have to make the connection, right, between the prior comments and statements and beliefs and values of the defendants to this particular case. but, you know, back to your point, it's a pretty good start when you're talking about the things that you believe. so, yes, you can make the argument if the defense is here, laura, that hey, my clients may have said these things in the past. they may have espoused all of these values, et cetera, but look the other way because that's not the basis or reason they charged and ran after and hunted down and shot and killed
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ahmaud arbery. that had nothing to do with it. so, the defense is trying to disconnect the two and saying that the defendants had a good faith belief they were protecting the neighborhood. they thought ahmaud arbery was doing something that was amiss or illegal, and that, ladies and gentlemen, is the basis for what they're doing. but it's hard to make that argument when you read all the ugly things that you read when it looks and sounds and quacks like a duck. laura, what is it? a duck. >> i got to tell you, you and i both know it comes down to the strength of the case. things that may seem extraordinarily shock and awe, for a jury sometimes they're the most unpredictable dozen you'll see in your life. they don't always make that connection. let's talk about the components of the jury. i think it's important to show how it is comprised. in the state trial, 11 white jurors. a lot was made of would they be able to connect the dots in light of defense counsel statements in the homicide.
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in the federal trial, you have a more diverse themed jury, 8 white people, 3 blacks, one hispanic. in terms of how a jury might receive this information, joey, what do you think is the way these prosecutor versus to approach this scenario? if you're talking about the element of having to prove the racial animus, it's not enough just to prove, for example, that somebody generally has these viewpoints. they've got to show that it was the reason why they acted. will either or any of these three take the stand, do you think, in defense of their actions? at least at the state trial, the shooter did. >> yeah. so, excellent points, laura, right? to unpack that, number one, jurors, if you look at the state case where it was a lot less diverse, what did they do, right? in the deep south, they convicted -- we know the issues were different. it was not about race. it was about whether they killed ahmaud arbery and whether or not they kidnapped and confined him
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and whether or not they engaged in those activities, nothing related to race. you could make those inferences. this case is all about that. with respect to the composition of the jury, you tried a lot of cases successfully as the stellar prosecutor that you were, and you know just like i know from the defense perspective that you're picking people. and you want to be fair minded in the people you pick. you want them to be impartial. and there are some people who could be african american and may not espouse the same views of african americans. there could be white jurors who are more sympathetic to african americans, et cetera. so, you have to evaluate the jury for who they are, not particularly what they look like. that's why we're here in the first place, you could argue. but i do think that the defendants have a lot of explaining to do. when you asked about the issue, will they testify, you have to look and evaluate why did they say those things in the past? and how could we believes the jurors if they're not connected to this case? and why don't they represent who you are? and when you look at the father and the son, you know and i know
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you could make reasonable inferences. no one is born a racist. tell me who you're eating dinner with. tell me who's raising you. tell me what they're talking to you about, and i'll tell you who you are because it's based on how you taught. the father, because his cell phone was encrypted, maybe he believes something else. i think at the end of the day they may very well testify because they have to tell that jury that, you know what? what i did wasn't based on race. it was based on my good faith belief that he was doing something to the neighborhood. it's a very tough argument to make, laura. >> well, you know, we know that impartiality is supposed to be the driving factor behind every juror, the idea of this is a high profile case, i can't believe any of the jurors have not heard about this, but can they be impartial in the moment. we know the realities in america and human psyche, impartiality might be fused in a distinct way. we're talking about having
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people bring in views on race and racism. it has a way of impacting and influencing a jury. i wonder how that will come out. i'll leave it at this. that's one of the reasons prosecution has called other people in the neighborhood to see if anyone viewed him as a threat. one neighbor called a non-emergency number because they didn't perceive him as a threat. joey, we've got to stay on this story beyond this trial. it's always great to have you here. >> it's always good to be with you, laura. i'll just say this as we close. we're in 2022, and all of the things you started this segment with with respect to the thoughts and beliefs and values, it's horrific to see and oto think that in this day and age there are people out there who believe this and talk about this and spread this. it's just very hard to sit here as you, i'm sure, and to just digest what was told to that jury. >> not just for me, for everyone, right? don't you get the feeling there are moments when i think, you know, my great grandmother, god
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rest her soul, josey, i could have these conversations with her and they would be evergreen to what i'm experiencing right now and seeing. and the idea of -- even the idea of people chasing somebody because they're black allegedly, because he committed a crime he did not commit, this is something that has such resonance for so many black people and brown people in this country. and i think these sort of echos of the past, it's horrifying. but also the reason why federal hate crime legislation remains because it's not just about the individual. it's about anyone at any time being vulnerable, whether it's race, religion, or other factors. joey jackson, this remains important. thank you. >> it does. thank you, laura, so much. you know, one of the nation's largest airlines, well, they're growing quite tired of scenes like this. but would the proposed solution go too far? while some republicans argue that it treats unruly passengers like terrorists, well, the debate about whether that's right or wrong, we're going to have that next.
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eight members of the self-proclaimed law and order party rushing to the defense of those who can't follow the rules on airplanes. let's be clear these days that the friendly skies, as they once were known, well, they've gone from this to this. >> sit down now. >> just this year the faa received 394 reports of unruly passengers. i remind you said this year, and it is only february, right? in most cases, they were masked.
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talking about adding those who get out of hand on a flight to the no-fly list. a group of republican senators oppose that. in a letter to the attorney general, they said that would equate americans skeptical of mask rules to terrorists. keep in mind about one in five flight attendants say they were involved in a physical incident with a passenger just last year. let's bring in two to discuss from different perspectives as well, security and political and different world, juliet and scott jennings. i give you the juliet, i give you the scott jennings as well. i don't want to leave any of those off for you. let me begin with you, juliet. it's so important to lean on your expertise in particular on this issue and homeland security related. what is your thoughts about equating people who are unruly based on the mask mandates, et cetera, with perceived terrorists? what's your thought?
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>> unruly is a really nice way of putting disruptive and dangerous. unruly makes them sound like they're playing their music too loud. what we're seeing is essentially criminal behavior in a dangerous instrument that if things go wrong on an airplane, they can go terribly, terribly wrong. the no-fly list is about disruptive or dangerous airport behavior. it started off or was triggered by, of course, terrorist attacks of 9/11. that's like acting like nothing has changed in term of our threat environment for the last 20 years. everyone knows homeland security isn't about stopping 19 terrorists from getting on airplanes anymore. it's about all the risks americans face, whether it's climate or violent people on airplanes or a pandemic. and lowering that risk. so, it would be totally appropriate to have a floor that simply says if you do something disruptive like this, right, in other words something of a magnitude -- of a degree -- and
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we can define it, that was disruptive, then you cannot fly on any airplane because the only remedy we have now is one airline takes them off their list or a criminal remedy. there has to be something in between to actually tell people you cannot behave this way. it will motivate others to behave better. so, rowdy, i think, is just an easy way out for these republicans to -- >> well, juliet, i hear you. on that point, you know, the idea of defining it. that sticks in my mind. scott, i want to hear about the conversation. the first thought -- and i'm playing devil's advocate here. the first thought is how are passengers or flight marshals or others to determine whether this passenger is the word unruly or someone who could pose a threat to em bolden others and use a protection reason to lull people into a false sense of security? do you see this as a threat and saying they should be on a
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no-fly list in general, not just airline specific, but you can't talk to any skies? >> yeah, i am skeptical of this because i think there's a huge difference between people who put their hands on other people, commit violence, you know, some of the things that flight attendants are reporting where people are t getting physical with them. i absolutely think that would qualify you to be prosecuted and put on a no-fly list. when you start to define down other interactions such as a heated conversation or a misunderstanding that becomes a heated conversation, i worry that certain people, you know, could be defined as, you know, no-fly list worthy when it was nothing more than a heated interaction. so, i think the definition would be critical. i will tell you the way to end all of this and the way to make all of this to go away is for the faa to end the stupid mask mandate on airplanes right now. we do not need mask mandates on airplanes. it is completely unnecessary. you've got democrat governors all over the country ending mask mandates.
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there's not a reason in this world we need them on airplanes. most everybody on the airplane is wearing a cloth mask, which pretty much now are called facial deck rags or fashion statements. you want to make this go away, end the mask mandate and don't put in rules that could follow someone around for the rest of their life when it may have been an overblown reaction. >> is it a stupd mandate to have them on planes? it's under the president's purview. is it stupid? >> it's a rule. i mean, this is such a side tangent to the issue. it is a rule. we can debate the rule like rational people. you cannot debate it by getting on an airplane with a mask on, and then pretending all of a sudden that you view this as an impediment to your freedom. and i want to say where we agree. there has to be a floor at which violent behavior of unwillingness to put on, to follow the rules, to listen to
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flight attendants who are security officers, they are not cocktail waitresses, they are frontline security officers. if you don't listen to them, you don't abide by the rules, and you are violent or threatening or threaten the airplane to the extent in a lot of these cases the airplanes are getting diverted, that in and of itself is a dangerous thing in terms of moving airplanes from their flight plan. then we agree, right? in other words, you want the bar to be high enough that the violence or threat of stviolenc. but the idea that these guys who are threatening flight attendants get to have a h hacklers veto over a federal mandate rule regarding masks is ridiculous. i'm not having this debate. i'm not having the masking debate. >> and yet juliet, i hear you on the debate you don't want to have. i see you nodding, scott, and thinking about that. when it comes down to it, this
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is the debate that's happening on capitol hill in some respects. it's not about whether it's stupid or not. i do agree, the motion of, look, i'm not comfortable saying let's avoid having to have a conversation about passenger who is pose, perhaps, a deadly threat by saying get rid of the rule. that's like saying let's have conversations about terrorism by saying let's do away with the rule about taking your shoes off. unfortunately we're out of time and we have to leave it there with me having the last word. sorry scott jennings. >> thank you so much. my smile i hope will be endearing enough to you, scott. talk to you later. >> okay. please do so. i appreciate it. we turn now to another disturbing piece of video that we'll show you after the break. speaking of fighting, how about two teams this time fighting inside a shopping mall. but the controversy starts when the police show up. their response is raising questions of racial bias. i'll show you why next.
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what started as a scuffle between two teenage boys in a new jersey mall has escalated into a much bigger outcry over race. it's not the teens facing backlash. take a look at this video that was taken on saturday. you see the black teen. cnn has learned his first name is kai. arguing with the white teen, whose name we have not confirmed. look what happens when police officers come to break up the fight. they toss the white teen to a nearby couch, but they seem to take a more aggressive action with respect to kai, pitting him to the floor and straddling him. one officer appears to have her knee on his back. the bridgewater police says its investigating the incident but in the meantime, both teens are
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speaking out. >> and then the cops come over and they tackle me and put me in handcuffs and just leave him by hisself on the couch. i was confused. did they see me as a bad person, the one who started everything. they automatically assumed. >> and the white teen was also along, telling a tv station, quote, i knew it was wrong, and i knew there was going to be problems when they did that. they didn't go for me. she said, stay put. that's all she said. i didn't understand why. i even offered to get handcuffed as well. cnn has not been able to speak to either of the teenagers or their parents. new jersey governor phil murthy tweeted he is deeply disturbed by what appears to be racially disparate treatment in this video. my next guest joins us now, georgetown law professor,
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kristen henning, author of the great new book "the rage of innocence: how america criminalizes black youth." i can't think of a more appropriate person to talk about this with, professor. what's your reaction when you see that? >> this is a video for anyone who does not believe that implicit racial bias exists. you've got two officers called to the scene less than 20 seconds into a fight. they go straight to the black boy, right? and the assumption is he's the one who's out of place, he's the one who's a threat. so, my first reaction is indeed concern about racial bias. i'm also concerned about the ways in which we respond to adolescent behaviors with traditional law enforcement responses. why are we taking this young boy down to the ground, putting a knee in his back, and handcuffing him, as opposed to
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just separating these two boys and de-escalating the situation? so, there's so much to talk about with this video. >> and of course hearing the other boy in the video talking about the idea of him offering to be handcuffed too and not understanding, i mean, you've done a lot of research. he talks about kai, this is the black teenager, he talks about being scared. and you've done research on the treatment of black children. what are the ramifications of this long term? this is scarring and traumatizing not only for the black teen that was impacted but for others looking on. >> absolutely. there is a growing body of research documenting the extraordinary psychological trauma to black and brown children who are the frequent targets of police stops, frisks, violence of this nature. you know, young people become depressed and fearful and anxious and hypervigilant, meaning that they're always on guard and not trusting others.
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and just as you said, laura, what's so powerful about this research is that it shows that the trauma occurs even when you're not the direct target. just witnessing these type of incidents lead to the same traumatic effects, post-traumatic stress disorder, sleeplessness, you know, other science of depression. so, it really has a profound long-term consequences on children who are observing, especially black and brown children, who know that they are disproportionately targeted. >> let's be clear, and i know you know this. we're talking about this issue. we do not have all the answers. this story is still developing. i'm always reluctant to put a stamp on what our opinions must be. but watches it, it really drudges up the research you have done so eloquently well to talk about this issue from a more removed perspective. professor, thank you so much. >> thank you.
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warrant. >> the detectives said there was something odd about the stairs, just the way they were conducted, the way he felt when he was walking on them. he took a closer look at the stairs. between two of the stair boards, there's a crack. he used a flashlight, looked in there and saw what he believed was a blanket at the bottom. so they used a tool and started removing the steps of the staircase. lo and behold, they found a little pair of feet. >> that's good police work. and the police believe that the mom and the girl had been staying at the home since they disappeared in 2019. they believe the staircase appeared to have been built for the purpose of hiding them both, paislee's mother, grandfather were arrested. i want to turn to miguel marquez who is in saugerties tonight. what a story.
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first, when people saw this headline, they probably thought, oh, my god, what were we talking about right now? but where is this little girl right now? has she been released to a legal guardian? who is caring for this little girl? >> reporter: she is with her legal guardian. this was the person that was given custody of her two years ago. she never showed up there. so she's with her legal guardian now and her older sister. she's doing well. police saying that there was no sign of abuse with her, which is the good thing. the problem is, police also say is that she wasn't able to go to school over the last two years, not even to a doctor. it's not clear what the long-term trauma will be. >> tell me about that. what was her reaction when police rescued her? i understand there was some apprehension initially? >> look, she came out apparently -- police say she was calm at first and sheepish when they crawled out of the staircase, but then she became upset and fearful of what was
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going on. but they also -- look, there was a lot of police around, they were armed, they had lots of gear on, so that would probably upset any child. they were able to calm her down and get her checked out and she's in a better place right now. >> i understand also at one point on their way to the police headquarters, they passed by a mcdonald's and she somehow remembered at some point perhaps she had eaten something like that before and they went through drive-through to make her feel more comfortable. i tell you, those golden arches, it's unbelievable. she's 6 years old. where do things stand right now? you know there are so many questions left to be answered here. where does the investigation stand right now? they've been charged. >> reporter: yeah. look, this is a custody case at the very core and it's a very complicated one. it's across several jurisdictions, across a lot of time, and there are several family members here that are involved, custodial interference is what they've all been charged with. the grandfather and the father
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felony custodial interference, the mom with a misdemeanor. they have not pled yet. they were in court today. it was mostly administrative. we'll hear. the lawyer for the mother says you have to wait until you hear all the information. so i think it's going to be a long, difficult, drawnout time, but i suspect there may be more charges coming, and the par parents -- they were her biological parents. the parents i make twill want t their case. >> they saved so many cases of missing children that do not end this way. miguel marquez, thank you so much. >> you got it. >> we'll be right back. and power.r... ...is a very good thing. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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don don lemon tonight starts with don lemon. >> but it is sometimes, though, when you're here sitting. >> hello, i'm not don lemon. sorry to disappoint the masses. he'll be back. >> nobody thinks i'm you. i could never look like you. of course we're going to cover the big news, laura, that's happening in ukraine. but i wanted to ask you about something. all of these things we're seeing, the things happening in the mall, ahmaud arbery with the mcmichaels, the n-word they used. hearing that word is tough for a lot of people, even for people of color and a lot of folks. what do you think about the use of that word and obviously people shouldn't be using it in the way that they did, but there's a proliferation that have word in the culture. >> in the culture of how it's used by other black people you'

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