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assessments from high up that putin's trying to play the west for fools. according to a senior u.s. official there is, quote, every indication, unquote, that russia is privately mobilizing for war while, of course, publicly offering to talk. this official tells cnn the russian claims of pulling forces back from ukraine and de-escalating, well, they're all false, they say when, in fact, putin's amassed approximately 7,000 more troops at ukraine's borders in just recent days. these new buildup estimates would now place the number of russian forces that are circling around ukraine at around 157,000. president biden cited 150,000 estimate just yesterday in his televised address. so all those videos put out by russia's ministry of defense of tanks leaving crimea and elsewhere, all that talk of troops allegedly returning to home bases, i got to ask, was
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that part of a choreographed scheme by the kremlin to make it look like moscow's de-escalating when, in fact, it's doing the opposite? because there are new satellite images that show a new bridge being built across a key river in belarus, less than four miles, i might add, from the ukrainian border along with a new road construction. sources believe the roads and bridge could be used by russian forces currently in belarus to drive to the ukrainian capital of kyiv. belarus is russia's closest international ally in the standoff. a senior biden administration official warns to expect more false reports from russia state media over the few coming days and also to watch out for putin's public openness to diplomacy because this official suggests that it's all perhaps a guise. but they do say the u.s. will still continue to pursue diplomacy over the coming days. so what kind of game exactly might putin be playing?
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does he realize, of course, it's the age of satellite technology where cameras and the world are watching and someone could be on to it, or does he even care? frankly, there are a lot of unanswered questions. it's impossible, as you know, to assess what exactly putin wants. but both nato and president biden say the u.s. and allies are prepared. and part of that preparation is nato increasing its presence in eastern europe to bolster allies that are neighboring ukraine and, of course, with the help of u.s. forces. more are arriving in poland, and that's where our nick paton walsh is tonight, near that very border with ukraine. nick, i'm glad you're there. what are you seeing on the ground, and my first question above all else, you know, is it happening, or isn't it? there is this sort of tale of two countries and what's being told. what are you seeing? >> reporter: well, certainly in terms of what the signals are of
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what's been happening around ukraine on its eastern flank where russian troops are, it is very hard to divine precisely whether we're beginning to see a de-escalation, or as we heard very emphatically from the white house, from the secretary of state, from the nato secretary-general, that we are in fact seeing a slow, continued mobilization. you mentioned the figures there rising by 7,000, up from the 150,000 president joe biden mentioned yesterday. it may be that it takes a number of days for president putin's suggestion of withdrawal to come into effect. but you have to remember over the past 10, 20 years, we've seen in other conflicts russia talking peace while advancing its military position on the ground. that may be what we're seeing here, and it's consistent with the russian idea of kind of hiding what your true intentions are. here, though, in poland, on the other western side of ukraine, today at the airport not far from where i'm standing, we saw hundreds of u.s. troops coming
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in from the 82nd airborne, from fort bragg, large passenger aircraft, blackhawks in accompaniment to the cessna light aircraft bringing in some of the top brass, trucks, pallets, a lot of equipment being moved in. this is no small measure we're seeing here. it is essentially, we're told, a just-in-case measure, in case they are required to help u.s. citizens inside of ukraine get out of that country if there is a conflict. but you can see resources here that seem to suggest the pote potential. nearby, large white tents being erected perhaps for some extensive operation here. this is not symbolic clearly. the strength of forces here shows they feel they may have to actually do something at some point in the weeks ahead, although i'm sure the abiding sentiment is they'd much rather
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find themselves cold and doing little. it is stark having seen over the years nato practicing drills, military maneuvers like this because of their concerns on the eastern flank since russia moved into crimea in 2014. to see it now actually occur in reality on the ground here because of a perceived actual threat, startling in europe 2022, laura. >> absolutely. nick paton walsh, thank you so much for your excellent reporting as always. as he said, there's news of yet another 7,000 russian troops that are arriving at the ukrainian border, and this comes as a ukrainian intelligence report obtained exclusively by cnn says the number of russian forces remain still insufficient for a full-scale invasion. let's discuss now the military options that vladimir putin options has with retired lieutenant colonel daniel davis. colonel, welcome. i'm so glad you're here to help us try to understand this. the initial question, of course, for everyone, as nick was talking about, look, is putin
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the great provocateur, or is this gamesmanship that puts us all at the brink? >> yeah. without question, it's gamesman ship but with very decidedly deadly potential consequences. look, there's something we've got to understand right up front. it's the stone cold reality that everybody needs to comes to grip with, especially in washington. that is that ukraine does not matter to american national security, but avoiding nuclear war with russia does. and that's the reason why you've seen president biden absolutely take off the table there's no possibility he's going to send u.s. troops in to fight russia on behalf of ukraine. nato has said they're not going to. so it's clear if there's an invasion, ukraine is on their own. now, if we understand that, then we have to come to the -- ask the question, if ukraine -- membership in nato is what's absolutely driving putin, and it is. he's been saying that literally since 2007. then we have to say, why should we keep saying the door is going to be open when we are never going to allow ukraine in nato.
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there's no way they would come in. we don't even want them in. so let's don't keep that door open if it's going to get ukraine invaded. >> i understand that. but isn't that part of the gamesmanship that putin may be playing, right? the idea that if ukraine is always perceived as a permanent liability where it triggers the obligation to act in support as if they're a nato ally, then it's in putin's interest to put the sword of damocles over them. is that part of the thought here, or is it equal parts emotional? is putin saying no, the reason is also ukraine should belong to me? >> he actually doesn't want it to belong to him. he just wants to make sure it doesn't belong to nato, which is why just a couple of days ago when the ukrainian ambassador just floated the idea that, well, maybe we should take our request for nato off the table, and then zelensky actually echoed it some number of hours later. the kremlin immediately jumped on that and said, yes, that is a great idea. that could definitely
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de-escalate things. it's something that we would like to pro-she'd and talk about. >> let me ask you on de-escalation, how are we supposed to know? i know not me sitting here and you sitting here at this table, but is there some warning? are we sitting ducks waiting for every sort of chess piece to be made by putin? are we going to have some understanding do they have everything in place to accomplish this? the troop numbers still very substantial. is it enough? >> as one who has engaged in direct combat with tanks and armored vehicles, they absolutely have enough combat power to slice ukraine in half and do whatever they want to, especially in the eastern part. >> really? >> there is no doubt. of course it's growing by the day. so we have to take these dispositions very seriously. and to your point earlier about, you know, putin's saying one thing but doing another, we have to look at what he's doing. forget about what he's saying. we have to look at the type of
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forces, their physical location, and the fact that they are ready for action. i have been in that situation before, and once you get ready for action, it's hard to pull it back down, which is why we need to de-escalate the situation and just acknowledge reality and take nato membership off the table for ukraine. >> let me ask. i mean at what cost to russia? i mean the idea of being able to accomplish, as you say, cut it in half, it feels as though you're talking about perhaps a kamikaze type of situation here? do they have the ability to pull it off and at no great risk or cost to russia because obviously i'm sure putin is thinking about the ability to do it versus what cost it would be in the long run. and of course we know that we have american troops at least in positions to actually bolster the nato allies. what is the cost to russia if they do do this? >> i'm telling all these troops in poland and elsewhere, russia is not even threatening to do anything so those have no impact on putin's calculation. they're literally inconsequential. the other thing we like to talk about is all these catastrophic
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sanctions and everything else, all this pain it would cause. the problem is that's a double-edged sword, and i can assure you there's many countries in europe, germany being one of the leading ones, that are not excited about that because it will harm their economy. 50% of their daily gas supplies come from russia, and if russia decides to turn it off because they get sanctioned, what's germany going to do? it's going to decimate their economic output because they literally won't have enough gas to keep the electricity on. so we have to be careful that we don't hurt our own self over something that we're never going to do anyway. we are never going to bring ukraine into nato. >> so in that respect, the fact you heard just yesterday, i mean president biden was speaking, but he was speaking as commander in chief at this point in time. also top diplomat in many respects. is the white house doing what they need to do, taking into consideration what you've just articulated, the idea of it being a fool's errand to have them enter into nato. are they doing enough or the right course of action? >> i don't think so. i think we are stuck in a cold war mentality where we get to
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call all the shots as we have since 1991. and the balance of power has now come back to something near e will lib re yum. we don't have the luxury to tell russia what we're going to do anymore. this can be pulled down and not even happen, or at least a good chance for it not to happen. but if we press forward this and say, no, we're not going to let putin tell us what to do, most likely ukraine is going to pay in blood for that decision. >> this can never be just about chest beating. there's so many things at stake. it shouldn't be, right? we also know the history of the world. thank you so much, lieutenant colonel. nice talking to you. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. up ahead, prosecutors presented new evidence today in the federal hate crimes trial for the killers of ahmaud arbery. the black man trapped and murdered while just jogging in georgia. key evidence, past racist text messages and social media posts. but will a jury connect the dots
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federal prosecutors presented more damning evidence today to show that the three white men who killed ahmaud arbery did so because of racial animus. an fbi intelligence analyst led the jury through a litany -- and i do mean a litany -- of racist text messages and social media posts, particularly from two of them. and honestly i'm going to be honest with you here. it's too sickening to read all of them and the vitriol. but this is just a sliver so you can understand what the jury is hearing. in one text message by travis mcmichael, remember, he's the one who actually shot ahmaud arbery. in a text he sent to a friend on why he liked his new job, he says it was because he didn't work with black people. quote, they ruin everything. that's why i love what i do now.
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not an n-word in sight, unquote. in another instance he responded to a video where a black man put barbecue sauce on a white man's head as a prank, responding, i'd kill that f-ing n-word. he repeatedly described black people as monday kkeys and sava and even commented under a video of black lives matter protests that he wished for a semiautomatic gun to shoot them. meanwhile, his daddy shared racist memes, claiming in one of them that white irish slaves were treated worse than anybody in the u.s. but that they aren't asking for handouts. their accomplice, william roddie bryan, the neighbor, you remember, he regularly used slurs and mocked martin luther king day, at one point referencing it as a monkey parade. i want to bring in cnn legal analyst joey jackson, and i do repeat, that was but a sliver. joey, in the grand endeavor to pursue justice in the form of a
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hate crime, they're off to a heck of a start from the prosecution. do you think so? >> yeah, without question, laura. always good to see you and be with you. look, the bottom line here is that i know that you have to make the connection, right, between the prior comments and statements and beliefs and values of the defendants to this particular case. but, you know, that, to your point, is a pretty good start when you're talking about the things that you believe. and so, yes, you can make the argument as the defense is here, laura, that, hey, my clients may have said these things in the past. they may have espoused all of these values, et cetera, but look the other way because that's not the basis or reason that they charged and ran after and hunted down and shot and killed ahmaud arbery. that had nothing to do with it. so the defense is trying to disconnect the two and saying that the defendants had a good-faith belief they were protecting the neighborhood. they thought ahmaud arbery was doing something that was amiss
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or illegal, and that, ladies and gentlemen, was the basis for what they're doing. but it's hard to make that argument when you read all the ugly things that you read. when it looks and sounds and quacks like a duck, laura, what is it? a duck. >> you and i both know that it all comes down to the strength of the case. things that might seem extraordinarily the shock and awe for a jury, sometimes they are the most unpredictable dozen of people you've ever seen in your life, and they don't always make the connection. i think it's important to show the audience about how it is comprised and the race of the different jurors as we now know it. in the state trial, it was 11 white jurors, one black judge. three whites were alternates. a lot was made about the idea of would they be able to connect the dots in light of the defense counsel's statement in the homicide. at the federal trial, you have a more diverse jury pool here. eight white people, three blacks, one hispanic. in terms of how a jury might receive this information, joey, what do you think is the way
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that these prosecutors have to approach the scenario because if you're talking about the element of having to prove the racial animus, it's not enough just to prove, for example, that somebody generally has these viewpoints. they've got to show that it was the reason why they acted. will either or any of these three take the stand, do you think, in defense of their actions? at least at the state trial, the shooter did. >>. y yeah, so excellent points, laura. to unpack that, number one, jurors, if you look at the state case where it was a lot less diverse, what did they do? in the deep south, they convicted. we know the issues were different. it was not about race. it was about whether they killed ahmaud arbery and whether or not they kidnapped and confined him and whether or not they engaged in those activities. nothing relating to race, right? you could make those inferences. this case is all about that. now, with respect to a composition of the jury, you've tried a lot of cases successfully as the stellar prosecutor that you were, and
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you know just like i know from the defense perspective that you're picking people, and people -- you know, you want to be fair minded in the people you pick. you want them to be impartial. and there are some people who could be african american who may not espouse the same views as african americans. there could be white jurors who are more sympathetic to african americans, et cetera. so you have to evaluate the jury for who they are, not particularly what they look like. that's why we're here in the first place, you can argue. but i do think that the defendants have a lot of explaining to do. when you asked about the issue of will they testify, you have to look and evaluate why did you say those things in the past, and how can we believe as jurors that they're not connected to this case? and why don't they represent who you are? and when you look at the father and the son, you know and i know that you can make reasonable inferences from the evidence. no one's born a racist. that is taught behavior. tell me who you're eating dinner with. tell me who's raising you. tell me what they're talking to you about, and i'll tell you who you are because it's based on
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who you taught. so you can't tell me that the son believes all these things but the father, oh, because his cell phone was encrypted, we don't have that much from him, maybe he believes something else. i think at the end of the day they may very well testify because they have to tell that jury, you know what? what i did wasn't based on race. it was based on my good faith belief that he was doing something to the neighborhood. it's a very tough argument to make, laura. >> we know that impartiality is supposed to be the driving factor behind every juror. the idea of this is a high-profile case. i can't believe any of the jurors have not heard about this. but can they be impartial in the moment? we know the realities of america and just human psyche that impartiality might be infused in a very distinct way. we were talking about having people bring in views on race and racism. it has a way of impacting and influencing a jury, and i'll wonder how this comes out. i'll leave it at this. that's one reason the prosecution has called other people in the neighborhood to
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see did anyone else view him as a threat? joey, we got to stay on this story and stay on this trial. it's always great to have you here in particular. >> it's always good to be with you, laura. i'll just say this as we close. we're in 2022, and all of the things you started this segment with, with respect to the thoughts and beliefs, and values, it's really horrific to see and to think that in this day and age, there are people out here who believe this and talk about this and spread this. it's just very hard to sit here as you, i'm sure, and to just digest what was told to that jury. >> not just for me, for everyone, right? don't you get the feeling? there are moments when i think my great-grandmother, god rest her soul, josie, i could have these conversations with her, and they'd be evergreen to what i'm experiencing right now and seeing, and even the idea of people chasing somebody because they're black, allegedly because
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they committed a crime he did not commit. this is something that has such resonance for so many black people and brown people in this country. and i think these sort of echos of the past, it's horrifying, but also the reason why federal hate crime legislation remains because it's not just about the individual. it's about anyone at any time being vulnerable, whether it's race, religion, or other factors. joey jackson, this remains important. thank you. >> it does. thank you, laura, so much. you know, one of the nation's largest airlines, well, they're growing quite tired of scenes like this. but would the proposed solution go too far? while some republicans argue that it treats unruly passengers like terrorists, the debate about whether that's right or wrong, we're going to have that next.
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eight members of the self-proclaimed law and order party rushing to the defense of those who can't follow the rules on airplanes. let's be clear these days that the friendly skies, as they once were known, well, they've gone from this to this. >> sit down now! >> [ bleep ]. >> i mean just this year, the faa received 394 reports of unruly passengers. i remind you i said this year, and it is only february, right? in most cases, the beefs were -- well, they were over masks. that's got people from the ceo of delta to the transportation secretary talking about adding those who get out of hand on a flight to the no-fly list. a group of republican senators oppose that, and in a letter to the attorney general, they said that that would equate americans
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skeptical of mask rules to terrorists. keep in mind about 1 in 5 flight attendants say they were involved in a physical incident with a passenger just last year. let's bring in two to discuss from different perspectives as well, security and political, in different worlds. juliette kayyem and scott jennings. i gave you the juliette kayyem. i'll give you the scott jennings as well. i don't want to leave any of that off for you. now you are both here. let me begin with you, juliette, because it's so important to lean on your expertise in particular on this issue and with homeland security related. what is your thought about the idea of equating people who are unruly based on the mask mandates, et cetera, with perceived terrorists? what is your thoughts? >> so unruly is a really nice way of putting disruptive and dangerous. unruly makes them sound like they're playing their music too loud. what we're seeing in a lot of these instances is essentially criminal behavior in a dangerous
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instrument that if things go wrong on an airplane, they actually can go terribly, terribly wrong. the no-fly list is about disruptive or dangerous airport behavior. it started off or was triggered by, of course, the terrorist attacks of 9/11. but that's acting like nothing has changed in terms of our threat environment for the last 20 years. anyone in homeland security knows homeland security isn't about stopping 19 terrorists from getting on four airplanes anymore. it's about all the risks americans face whether it's climate or violent people on airplanes or a pandemic and lowering that risk. so it would be totally appropriate to have a floor that simply says, if you do something disruptive like this, right, in other words something of a degree -- and we can define it -- that was disruptive, right, than you cannot fly on any airplane. because the only remedy we have now is one airline takes them off their list or a criminal
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remedy. there has to be something in between so actually tell people you cannot behave this way. it will motivate others to behave better. so rowdy, i think, is just an easy way out for these republicans to not support it. >> i hear you on that point, the idea of defining it. scott, i want to invite you into the conversation because the first thought -- and i'm playing devil's advocate here. the first thought is, well, how are maybe passengers or flight marshals to determine whether this is a passenger who is the word unruly or somebody who could pose a threat to embolden others to use a pretextual reason and lull people into a false sense of security. do you see this, scott, as a potential threat and the idea of saying they ought to be on the no-fly list in general, not just an airline specific but you can't take to any skies? >> yeah, i am skeptical of this because i think there's a huge difference between people who put their hands on other people,
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commit violence. you know, some of the things flight attendants are reporting where people are actually getting physical with them, i absolutely think that would qualify you to be prosecuted and then put on a no-fly list. but when you start to define down other interactions such as a heated conversation or a misunderstanding that becomes a heated conversation, i worry that certain people, you know, could be defined as, you know, no-fly list worthy when it was nothing more than a heated interaction. so i think the definition would shall critical. i will tell you the way to end all of this and the way to make all of this go away is for the faa to end the stupid mask mandate on airplanes right now. we do not need mask mandates on airplanes. it is completely unnecessary. you've got democrat governors all over the country ending mask mandates. there's not a reason in this world we need them on airplanes. you get on an airplane, i get on a lot of them, most everybody on there is wearing a cloth mask which now pretty much are called facial decoration or fashion statements. so you want to make this go
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away? end the mask mandate and don't put in rules that could follow somebody around for the rest of their life when it may have been an overblown interaction? >> it is a stupid mask mandate? obviously it's the prerogative of the federal government. it's the faa. is it stupid? >> it's a rule. i mean this is such a side tangent to the issue. it is a rule. we can debate the rule like rational people. you cannot debate it by getting on an airplane with a mask on because you wouldn't be allowed on without the mask on, and then pretending all of a sudden that you view this as an impediment to your freedoms. i'll tell you where we agree. there has to be a floor of which violent behavior, unwillingness to put on -- to follow the rules, to listen to flight attendants who are security officers. they're not cocktail waitresses. they are frontline security officers. that if you don't listen to them, if you don't abide by the rules and you are violent or
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threatening or threaten the airplane to the extent that in a lot of these cases the airplanes are gettingdiverted, right? that in itself is a dangerous thing in terms of moving airplanes from their flight plans. then we agree, right? in other words, you want the bar to be high enough, violence or threat of violence. but the idea that these guys who are threatening flight attendants get to have a heckler's veto over a federal mandate rule regarding masks on a highly -- in a highly regulated industry is ridiculous. i'm not having this debate. i'm not going to have the masking debate. there is a rule, right? >> and yet, juliette, i hear you on the debate you don't want to have. but i see you nodding scott and thinking about that. when it comes down to it, this is in fact the debate that's happening on capitol hill in some respects, not because it's about whether it's stupid or not, but the debate of and the notion of, look, i'm not comfortable just saying let's avoid having to have a conversation about passengers
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who pose perhaps a deadly threat by just saying get rid of the rule. that's like saying let's stop having conversations about terrorism by just doing away with the rule about taking your shoes off before you get on an airplane. there are rules there, but unfortunately we'll -- we're out of time with me having the last word. nice talking to you both, juliette and scott. i appreciate it. we turn now to another disturbing piece of video that we'll show you after the break. speaking of fighting, how about two teens, this time fighting inside of a shopping mall. but the controversy starts with the police show up. their response is raising questions of racial bias. i'll show you why next. ingenuity... in motion. it listens, learns, adapts and anticipates your every need.
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cnn has learned that his first name is kai, arguing with the white teen, whose name we have not confirmed. it goes from finger pointing to flying fists. but look what happens when police officers come to break up the fight. they toss the white teen to a nearby couch, but they seem to take a more aggressive action with respect to kai, pinning him to the floor and straddling him. one officer appears to have her knee on his back. the bridgewater police says it's investigating the incident, but in the meantime, both teens are speaking out. >> and then the cops come over, and they come and tackle me and like bput me in handcuffs and just leave him by himself on the couch, free, just able to do anything. i was confused, why they saw me as a bad person, i mean as like the aggressor, the one that started everything. they automatically assumed. >> and the white teen was also alarmed at the response, telling a tv station, quote, i knew it
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was wrong and i knew there was going to be problems when they did that. they didn't go for me. she said, stay put. that's all she said. i didn't understand why. i even offered to get handcuffed as well. cnn has not been able to speak to either of the teenagers or their parents. new jersey governor phil murphy tweeted he is deeply disturbed by what appears to be racially disparate treatment in this video. joining us now, georgetown law professor kristen henning, author of the incredible new book, "the rage of innocence: how america criminalizes black youth." i can't think of a more appropriate person to talk about this with, professor. what's your reaction when you see that? >> this is a video for anyone who does not believe that implicit racial bias exists. you've got two officers called to the scene.
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less than 20 seconds into a fight, they go straight to the black boy, right? and the assumption is he's the one who's out of place. he's the one who's a threat. so my first reaction is indeed concern about racial bias. i'm also concerned about the ways in which we respond to adolescent behaviors with traditional law enforcement responses. why are we taking this young boy down to the ground, putting a knee in his back, and handcuffing him as opposed to just separating these two boys and de-escalating the situation? so there's so much to talk about with this video. >> and of course hearing the other boy in the video talking about the idea of him offering to be handcuffed too and not understanding, i mean you've done a lot of research. he talks about kye, the black teenager, he talks about being scared. and you've done research on the treatment of black children. what are the ramifications long-term of what this looks like? i mean this is quite scarring
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and traumatizing and only for the black teen who was impacted but for others who were looking on. >> absolutely. there is a growing body of research documenting the extraordinary psychological trauma to black and brown children who are the frequent targets of police stops, frisk, violence of this nature. you know, young people become depressed and fearful and anxious and hypervigilant, meaning they're always on guard and not trusting others. and just as you said, laura, you know, what's so powerful about this research is that it shows to the trauma occurs even when you're not the direct target, just witnessing these types of incidents lead to the same trauma effects, post-traumatic stress disorder, sleeplessness, other signs of depression. so it really has profound,
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long-term consequences on children who are observing, especially black and brown children, who know they are disproportionately targeted. >> let's be clear, and i know you know this. we don't have all the answers. we have not interviewed every person. this story is still developing, so i'm always reluctant to put a stamp on what our opinions must be. but just watching it, it really dredges up so much of the research you have done so eloquently and well to talk about this issue even from a more removed perspective. professor kristin henning, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up, a remarkable story of a little girl who was found alive after vanishing more than two years ago. the clues that led investigators to a suspicious-looking staircase and who they found with the 6-year-old. look, a lot of questions remain in this case. we'll ask them next.
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a tip, a warrant, and keen eyes by an officer in new york leads the rescue of a 6-year-old girl, who was reported missing -- get this -- two years ago. she was found living under a staircase. there is still a lot of unknowns in this case, i mean, the police department is still investigating. and officers say that young paisley schultz was removed from her parents' custody, before she was reported missing. officers visited the parents' home several times over the years but they found no evidence of paisley. but then this week, they got a tip, which led to a search warrant. >> the detective said it was something odd about the stairs. just the way they were constructed, the way they felt when he was walk ongoing them and he said he took a closer look at the stairs. and between two of the stair boards, there was a crack. he used a flashlight, looked in there, and he saw what he believed was a blanket at the bottom. so, they use the a tool and they
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started removing the steps of the staircase, and sure and behold, they found a little pair of feet. >> wow. that's good police work. and the police believe that the mom and the girl had been staying at the home since they disappeared in 2019. they believe the staircase appeared to have been built for the purpose of hiding them both -- paisley's mother, father, and grandfather were arrested, all three, before a judge today. i want to turn now to miguel marquez who was in new york for us tonight. miguel, what a story? i mean, first when people saw this headline, they probably thought, oh, my god, what are we talking about right now? but where is this little girl right now? has she been released to a heel guardian? who is caring for this little girl? >> she is with her legal guardian. this is the person who was given custody of her two years ago. she never showed up there, so she is with her legal guardian now, and her older sister. she is doing well. you know, police saying that
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she -- there was no sign of abuse with her, which is the good thing. the problem is, police also say, is that she wasn't able to go to school over the last two years, not even to a doctor. so it's not clear what the long-term trauma is going to be. >> and tell may little bit about what was her reaction when police rescued her? i understand that there was something -- some apprehension, initially? >> yeah. i mean look, she came out -- the police say she was -- she was calm, at first, and a little sheepish when they -- then they clauled out of that staircase. but then, she became upset and -- and fearful of what was gong on. but they also -- look, there was a lot of police around. they were -- they were armed, they had lots of gear on. so, that would probably upset any child. they were able to sort of calm her down, and get her checked out and she is in a much better place right now. >> i understand, also, at one point on the way to the police headquarters, they passed by a mcdonald's and she remembered somehow at some point perhaps she had eaten something like that before, and they went through the drive-thru for her
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to make her feel more comfortable. those golden arches. it is unbelievable. she is a child, she is 6 years old, remember. miguel, where do things stand right now? because you know there are so many questions left to be answered here. where does the investigation stand right now? they have been charged. >> yeah, look, this is -- this is a custody case, at the very core and it is a very complicated one. it is across several jurisdictions. it is across a lot of time and there are several family members here that are involved. custodial interference is what they have all been charged with. the grandfather and the father, with felony-custodial interference. and the mom, with, um, misdemeanor. they have not pled, yet. they were in court today. mostly administrative. they have not pled anything yet. they have court dates down the road but the lawyer for the mother says you have to wait until you hear all the information. so, i think it is going to be a long, difficult, drawn-out time, but i suspect there may be more charges coming and the parents -- you know, these were -- they were her -- her
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biological parents. the parents, i think, will want to make their own case, as well. laura. >> great news, thank god this fw girl is alive and safe. so many cases of missing children do not end this way. miguel marquez, thank you so much. >> exactly. >> we'll be right back. >> you got it. rehensive wealth n for your full financial picture. with the right balance of risk and reward. so you can enjoy more of...this. this is the planning effect.
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hey, thanks for watching. i will be back tomorrow night. "don lemon tonight" starts with, who else, don lemon right now. >> it would be interesting if my name was like laura coates. "don lemon tonight" and laura coates. i mean, but it is sometimes, though, when you are here sitting. >> i just say and hello i am not don lemon, sorry to disappoint the masses. he will be back. he will be back. >> nobody thinks that i am you. i mean, i could never look like you. but you know, of course, we are going to cover the big news, laura, that is happening in ukrainement but i wanted to ask
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you, um, about something. all these things that we are seeing, seeing things happening in the mall. with ahmaud arbery and the case with the mcmichaels, and we have been having a very interesting conversation about the n-word they use. and i mean, hearing that word is tough and for a lot of people, even for in using it for people of color, and a lot of folks. what do you think about the use of -- of that word and, obviously, people shouldn't be using it in the way they did but it's been -- there is a proliferation of that word in the culture. >> in the culture in terms of how it is used by other black people you are talking about? i think the use of word is not appropriate, period. but till you this, one of the things my father always said to me was never delegate your joy, and never delegate any power to somebody, to make them believe that a single word can be something that will reduce you to less than you are. they can wield it and i don't -- i'm not fine when i hear it, don't get me wrong. but the idea of handing over one's power completely
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