tv Don Lemon Tonight CNN February 16, 2022 11:00pm-12:00am PST
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all these things that we are seeing, seeing things happening in the mall. with ahmaud arbery and the case with the mcmichaels, and we have been having a very interesting conversation about the n-word they use. and i mean, hearing that word is tough and for a lot of people, even for in using it for people of color, and a lot of folks. what do you think about the use of -- of that word and, obviously, people shouldn't be using it in the way they did but it's been -- there is a proliferation of that word in the culture. >> in the culture in terms of how it is used by other black people you are talking about? i think the use of word is not appropriate, period. but till you this, one of the things my father always said to me was never delegate your joy, and never delegate any power to somebody, to make them believe that a single word can be something that will reduce you to less than you are. they can wield it and i don't -- i'm not fine when i hear it, don't get me wrong. but the idea of handing over one's power completely to let
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somebody win, to believe that you now think less of yourself because they lack the vocabulary to articulate what their grievance really is. you know, that's something i often think about and the ideas of reclaiming power and how it is used. but what is shocking in so many respects is the overall climate of this, don. we are talking about clawing back of voting rights in this country. le we feel, in many ways, like it's 1964 before the 1965 voting rights act and the language used today in that trial in herd, you could essentially look at any era in american history, and it would feel evergreen and that is abominable. >> yeah. i think that, um, it hurts to hear that word, no matter what. and i -- i think that, you know, sometimes, sanitizing it doesn't help. depends on the context of the word. i think that sometimes, when we don't say it, it's almost like people who are fighting not to
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teach history in the classroom because they don't want to be offended or they don't awant other people to be offended. so i think you have to -- you know, there are times when you should use it to hear the impact of it and there are times whether it is just not appropriate. it's so beard, the conversations we are having, even at certain times of the day. you know what i am saying? on television like if you are going to use it or not, like i definitely want say it on a morning show. >> yeah, it is funny. i think of myself today, i thought how do you say it? you know, i am not like you. i haven't been doing this my whole life, and still look wonderful professional and not a day over 22, i might add, don lemon. but yet, i tell you when i think about this, as an audience member, and somebody who is a consumer of media as well, oftentimes, what we would say in a courtroom, or how we would relay the verbatim, versus what we want out there. it almost feels, in many ways, are you perpetuating it? are you complicit in the longevity of this term? because, you know, there are so many words, and you wonder how does this get passed down from generation to generation?
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the people know to wield it in that way. >> i want to talk about that. casual racism. that -- we are going to talk about it coming up. >> i can't wait. >> i love having this conversation with you, and i think we are the right two people to have it in this moment. so listen, i just want to tell the audience -- i will tell them after. i will let you go. have a great one. i will see you tomorrow. >> thank you, don lemon. >> thank you. this is done lemon tonts. thank you everyone for watching. so, cut that thing because i am not actually going to say the word. i -- i -- i usually like saying that word when it's appropriate -- not like saying the word -- that is the wrong way to put it. i just think it's important to say that word when you are pointing out someone who is using it in an offensive way. but i understand that it offends some people to hear that word so it is always a tug-of-war for a news anchor or someone like laura, who is an attorney who has to recite it in documents in the courtroom or i have to recite what's happened in the courtroom or someone has done in a news story. 4 so, just be cognizant when i say n-word tonight, the person
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or people actually wrote the actual word, and they said the actual word. they didn't say n-word, they said the actual word. so, we are going to talk about racism rearing its ugly head. ugly, ugly head in the courtroom in georgia. disturbing evidence in the federal hate crime trial of three men convicted of murdering ahmaud arbery. texts and social media messages from two of the men full of racist insults, offensive language you might not expect to hear from an american courtroom in 2022, as laura just pointed out. handed down from generation to generation to generation. and even armed with all that evidence, the prosecution still has to prove the murder of ahmaud arbery, who was chased down and shot to death in broad daylight while he was jogging in a georgia neighborhood. they have to prove that brutal crime was motivated by hate. but this is more than a legal story. though, it is that. it is that. it is about justice for all. black, white, brown. but it's also about the american
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that we live in. the america, where, every day, there are people who feel completely free to speak hate, to text it to each other. and they don't do it out in the open. right? sometimes, they do. but usually, they don't. to make jokes loaded with it, to laugh about it. it is the kind of everyday hate that doesn't always end up in court. but it's there, just the same. infe infecting our country. as i said, i am going to read you some of the messages the prosecution raised today. there is this text exchange between travis mcmichael and a friend -- a random-ordinary exchange talking about a localer cracker barrel restaurant. the friend texting mcmichael and i quote here, this cracker barrel up here is full of some other kinds of people. mcmichael replying, and remember, i'm quoting here, need to change the name from cracker barrel to n-word bucket.
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except, they didn't write n-word, they wrote the full word. and it's that tough for you to hear -- if that is tough for you to hear, if you are offended by that, well you should be. there is another text message between mcmichael and a friend from march 2 -- march 16, 2019, discussing his new job, and why he liked that he didn't work with black people. and i quote, again. they ruin everything. that's why i love what i do. not an n-word in sight in your head. didn't say n word. wasn't that cute. casual racism. right out there in the open. and then, there is the whatsapp message between william roddy bryan and a friend after bryan discovered his daughter was dating a black man. that is a no-no, right? this message is dated february 19th. 2020. february 19th, 2020, just four days before ahmaud arbery was murdered. quote, yeah she has her n-word now. i have been calling that for a while now.
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not surprised. casual racism. ahmaud arbery's family didn't want a plea deal for his killers in the hate-crime trial. and with all that, you can certainly understand why. >> what i thought all along was -- was true. that travis killed ahmaud, not because ahmaud committed a crime, it's because amaraud was black and travis was truly a racist. >> it is just really a shame they got that much hate in them for african-american people. it just really a shame. >> man, that that's a sickness. >> strong words from ahmaud arbery's family. those words in that courtroom today are a sickness. they are like poison. how did those words land when you hear them? for people who look like me, it's like the words are slapping you in the face. the hate, the race iism, right?
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again, it's so offensive because as i was saying to laura earlier, when you hear people -- they don't want to teach about racism in school. they don't want people to hear the full thing. it's -- imagine how offensive it is for black kids in school to learn about slavery but the whole idea is to white kids won't be offended or feel bad when they hear about it. it is kind of the same thing with that word. makes people feel better when they -- when you say n-word. that's not what people call you in public. people actually call me the word. it's not surprising. still, shocking. and all this comes, as outrage is growing over a video showing what happens when police break up a fight between a black teen and white teen at a new jersey mall. the video shows the boys arguing. fingers are pointed. pun punches are thrown.
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[ bleep ]. >> oh [ bleep ]. >> yo! >> so, the black teen ends up on the ground. two bridgewater township police officers arrive. a female officer pulls the white teen away, and pushes him to the couch without handcuffs. while, the other officer presses the black teen to the ground, kneels on his back. the female officer, coming over to kneel on the teen's upper back, while they place him -- and only him -- in handcuffs. new jersey governor phil murphy saying, quote, the appearance of what is racially disparate treatment is deeply, deeply disturbing. the county prosecutor's office is investigating this, and we are going to have much, much more on this tonight, when i talk to that black teen, his mother, and their attorney, ben
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crump. and president joe biden rejecting his predecessor's latest attempt to keep under wraps. this time, white house visitor logs, including appointments for individuals allowed into the white house complex on january 6th. the national archives sending a letter to the former president today, informing him the documents will be delivered to the committee in two weeks. and then, there is the escalating crisis in ukraine. turns out, there is a good reason for the white house to be skeptical about russia's claims that some of its troops are withdrawing. tonight, there are 7,000 more russian troops along the ukraine border, in spite of moscow's claim. an administration official telling "the new york times," quote, they received a lot of attention for that claim, both, here and around the world. but we know -- we now know it was false. the white house, warning the window for a potential attack is still open. >> the bottom line is this. we are prepared either way. we're prepared to engage in
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diplomacy with russia, if it's serious about it. we are also prepared for renewed russian aggression. >> i want to bring in now cnn military analyst, retired colonel cedric leighton. good evening, colonel leighton. thank you so much. i appreciate you joining us. this is serious. um, yeah, i ever been telling the audience and every guest that's come on about this, i have a bad, bad feeling about it. let's hope that i am wrong but the u.s. now says russia has added 7,000 troops to the border in recent days, despite claims from moscow that itself pulling back. there is also this new satellite image, shows a tactical bridge being built across a key river in belarus -- less than 4 miles from ukraine's border. what does this signify to you? >> well, don, good evening. it's -- it's -- like you said, this is one of those worst-case scenarios, where everything is coming together. on the one hand, the russians are saying all kinds of relatively good things diplomatically, at least in these last few days. but their actions treling us a different thing. they are telling us a different
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story. and that story is that they are continuing to prepare for an invasion or some kind of military operation that is not going to be good for ukraine. that's -- that's basically what it looks like right now. >> so, tactically, what should we be seeing on the ground if they were actually, you know, pulling back as they said they were, what should we be seeing? >> so, we would be seeing some movement of troops. for example, you have all these forces in belarus, which are engaged in an exercise so you probably wouldn't expect those to be pulled back, unless they ended the exercise early. that exercise is supposed to end on the 20th of -- of this month. when what you would be seeing is forces coming back from the ukrainian-russian border so they would be pulling to areas further back like still chose to the border but it's further away from russia -- from the russian-ukraine border, itself. then on the other hand, what you have is some movement in the
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crimea. you are seeing more helicopters going down to crimea. that should not be happening if they are withdrawing forces, and if they are willing to talk -- if they are really willing to talk. >> colonel, the last couple seconds what you said cut out. can you, please, repeat it? >> sure. what a -- in -- when you are looking at what is going on in crimea, for example, they have all these helicopters -- 60 helicopters that deployed to crimea -- that should not have been happening. you should not see any new deployments of forces to the front, to the border. and that's what you are seeing. that is the kind of thing that shows that they are not serious about negotiating. they are more serious about moving their forces forward, keeping them prepared for an offensive operation and that is exactly what he is going on right now. >> we are learning tonight that the u.s.' navy aircraft had an extremely close encounter with multiple russian military jets over the mediterranean this weekend. that's according to
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multiapp multiapproximately u.s. officials. let's be very clear here, the u.s. is not going to war with russia over ukraine but do you worry, amid rising tensions, mistakes are unintended encounters could happen and that could just -- i mean, that could be a hornet's nest? >> it sure can. and that's -- that's one of the biggest problems that we are dealing with here, don, is that law of unintended consequences. when it comes to the aircraft incidents, one russian aircraft supposedly got within five feet of an american aircraft. that's way too close. there is no reason that any aircraft should be that close to another aircraft. and you are looking at the possibility of miscalculation, the possibility of accidents. those kinds of things are very dangerous in a situation like this and a miscalculation of that type will spiral into an international incident. an international incident could lead to much worse things and we don't need that. neither side needs that right now. >> we are lucky we have you at our disposal here to come on and
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talk about this. thank you, colonel leighton. appreciate it. >> you bet, don. anytime. so, offensive. racist messages read out in the hate crime trial of three men convicted of murdering ahmaud arbery. how will a jury react? >> ahmaud didn't know that he was -- he was targeted. and he had no clue. it just breaks my heart, over and over, again. ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan i know my glucose numbers without fingersticks. now i'm managing my diabetes better and i've lowered my a1c from 8.2 to 6.7. take the mystery out of managing your diabetes and lower your a1c. now you know.
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okay. so, here we go. pay attention, please, everyone. disgusting, racist texts and social-media messages from -- convicted of murdering ahmaud arbery disclosed in their federal hate crimes trial today. an fbi intelligence analyst revealing what investigators found. a warning, a language that i am about to share with you is graphic, it is racist, and it's extremely offensive. the first text message introduced into evidence was between travis mcmichael and a friend. mcmichael was discussing a new
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job and why he liked that he didn't work with black people saying, quote, they ruin everything. that's why i love what i do. not an n-word in sight. another text message, from 2019, referenced mcmichael meeting up with a friend at a local cracker barrel restaurant. the friend tells travis this crackle barrel up here is full of some other kinds of people. travis replies, needs to change the name from cracker barrel to n-word bucket. on social media, mcmichael posted a comment reacting to a video of primarily black teenagers showing a white teenager being beaten up by a mob. travis commented on the video on facebook -- on the facebook posting -- says, i shoot them all in full saiga would have done wonders. saiga is a type of semiautomatic gun. and the fbi analyst also testified about messages found in the phone of william roddy bryan, that showed evidence of racial animus. a whatsapp message dated january 20, 2020, which was martin luther king jr. day, between
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bryan and a friend and it quotes bryan saying happy bootlip day, here with me, nic valencia who was in the courtroom. nic, good evening to you. these messages are stomach turning. what was the reaction to the testimony in the courtroom from the defendants, the jurors, and the arbery family? >> yeah. i sat directly behind ahmaud arbery's family, don, and they were noticeably disgusted by what they heard. a lot of us in the gallery were disgusted by what we heard but specifically, ahmaud arbery's family were occasionally shaking their heads as they heard this evidence presented that the mcmichaels and roddy bryan regularly used racist language. at one point, marcus arbery senior was so bothered, he had to get up. and i asked him what was going through your mind as walked out of court? he said i was so sickened -- so sickened to know that someone like that lived around me --
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lived around the children in this community. and he said after today, there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that ahmaud arbery was murdered for jogging while black. >> i think we have a sound byte here. >> because he was a young, black man. you see all they were doing on their facebooks and stuff. you see what they were saying about a little kid. that should be everybody' wake-up call. know what i am saying? the world don't need people like them in this world, they hate black people that bad. it's a bad -- it's a bad signal for this whole generation, this whole world, not just the black people. it affect the white people, too. >> hmm. >> we are also looking for reaction from the jurors. remember, three of them are black. one of them is latino. they sat mostly attentive listening to evidence. it was a very difficult day in
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court for many people in the courtroom, don. >> just awful. nic valencia, appreciate that. i want to discuss with michael moore, former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia. michael, thanks for joining us. this is just gross, right, hearing this stuff. i just want to read a social-media post uncovered by the fbi intelligence analyst relating to racial violence. in one example, travis mcmichael replied to a private message sent from a friend where a black man put barbecue sauce on a white man's head. this is allegedly a humorous video but michael responded, i'd kill that effing n-word. this is explicitly racist. and it relates directly to violence but does it prove that ahmaud arbery's murder was a hate crime? >> you know, i am glad to be with you. and i am sorry that we are having to talk about this. let me say, one thing i have been enjoying is hearing from mr. arbery, the father, speak an candidly from his heart throughout this process. i think that is moving. this -- this is the difficulty with the hate crime prosecution.
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um, no matter how disgusting and sickening, racist, comments that somebody might make, um, that -- that just gives a picture of their character. but it doesn't necessarily prove the hate crime. i mean, that's a little tough to -- to explain, except that you have got to actually say that mr. arbery was killed because of his race. that was -- that was a motivator in the killing. um, and the government's going to have to prove that and that's why we are looking for comments that are maybe close in time -- texts or facebook postings or things close in time. that's why the comment that we heard that mr. bryan relayed that he heard at the scene right after ahmaud was shot -- that -- that horrible comment. that -- that's one of the reasons that's so important is it sort of paints a picture, and it puts it into context. remember that we prosecute people for what they do. we don't just prosecute people for what they think, no matter
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how disgusting they may be. >> a set of whatsapp messages uncovered by investigators discuss roddy bryan discovering that his daughter was dating a black man. a message between bryan and a friend dated february 19th, 2020, four days before the shooting of ahmaud arbery quoted brian as saying, yeah, she has her n-word now. i have been calling that for a while now. not surprised. how should a jury weigh information like that, especially that it was sent four days before arbery was killed? >> you know, i think they need to -- to weigh it and put it into context, and think it about it in the totality of the circumstance. what is interesting, this case is not about whether or not there was a murder. there was. this is simply a case about what the motivation for the murder was, and so if you think back to the state case, the defendants almost created their own defense now talking about, well, we didn't do it because it was a young-black man running in our neighborhood. we did it because we were trying to enforce the law and we were going to deputize ourselves, i guess, and do a citizen's arrest. that is going to be the theme, i
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think we will hear going forward. but in this case, the jury is going to be overwhelmed with this information that is coming in. this -- these horrible texts and messages, and that is going to start to paint the picture, and it is just going to depend now on whether or not the government prosecutors can fill in the rest of -- of the painting. to -- to find out, you know, can we actually link and can we give enough information for the jury for them to link, in fact, the killing with racial motivation? you can have the sorriest people say the sorriest things about other folks but you still haven't did not have to tie the motive in on that day the fact that ahmaud was a black man and these gentlemen obviously had -- i don't use the term loosely -- had racist thoughts. then, you know, can they make that ultimate connection for the jury? >> what other elements and evidence will prosecutors need to present to the jury, beyond messages from before the killing to make it clear that it was about arbery's race? >> you know, it is going to be
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interesting to see whether or not they bring in evidence of, again, the comment mr. bryan overheard. it is going to be interesting to see whether or not they thalk about things like the old-confederate flag, those types of things. whether or not they try to paint that kind of picture and there may be other comments we are not privy to, yet. we don't know what else might be side because we really didn't get into a lot of racial evidence during the state case. i think that was a smart move by the district attorney at that time because she didn't have to prove motive. so here, we may -- we may start to -- things that have been said. who knows? we may hear something that has been said to somebody who is a cellmate, somebody who's been locked up they ring their mouth to. that seems to get folks in trouble all the time because they can't keep their mouth shut when they get into trouble. so we just don't know. that's the kind of evidence i will be looking for. what do we have at a close proximity to the -- the shooting that tells us this was not a case of somebody -- a horrible
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event. this was a case where, actually, because of his race, he was hunted down. it may seem obvious to us, and i think a lot of us are so invested, we have invested in him because we watched his murder. um but but the government is going to have to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt to the jurors. >> i have to ask you that since you are from georgia, you have worked from the community for years. are you surprised to hear this language being used even in private? i mean, we would have hoped this kind of hatred doesn't exist anymore. i -- look, i'm not shocked. i'm from louisiana, from the deep south. doesn't have to be from the south. i hear people doing it all the time. but these messages show that, you know, it -- it's disturbing. it's not the case that people don't do that. they do do it. >> yeah. i'd like to tell you that, um, i'm surprised. uh, and i think it's a shame that i can't say i'm surprised. what i would tell folks who aren't from the south is just don't believe that all of us are like that.
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um, i -- i -- you wouldn't have heard that language in my house from my children. so, i -- i'm -- it's disgusting. there is no other way around it, and there's nothing that you can say about it. um, and i hope that we -- we find a place where we carry some of the spirit, again, of mr. arbery who's been talking to us straight -- straight from his heart, in my opinion, about how we have got to live together. and -- and -- and get along, and treat each other with respect no matter what the color of our skin is. >> thank you, michael. i appreciate it. >> glad to be with you, don. thank you. >> two teens get into a fight at a new jersey mall but only one was cuffed. the black teen. now, there are accusations of racial bias. stay with us. bismol coats and ss your stomach for fast relief and get the same fast relief in a delightful chew with pepto bismol chews. get help managing your money for the life --
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so, i want you to sit down and watch this as well. two teenagers getting into a fist fight last weekend at a new jersey mall but when police arrive to break it up, the black teenager was held to the ground and handcuffed while the white teenager wasn't and it is sparking outrage and actions of racial bias. cnn's athena jones has more on the story. >> reporter: accusations of racial bias by police after they broke up a fight between a pair of teenagers. one black, one white, at a new jersey mall. a now-viral video shows the
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teens having a heated discussion. the white teen pointing his finger in the face of the black teen, who pushes the white teen's hand away. the white teen then shoves the black teen, and the two begin to tussle. at one point, the white teen tackling the black teen and pinning him to a couch. then, throwing him to the ground. when police arrived to break up the fight, a female officer pulls the white teen away, and pushes him to the couch without handcuffs. while, the other officer presses the black teen to the ground, and kneels on his back. the female officer, also, coming over to kneel on the teen's upper back, while they place him, and only him, in handcuffs. >> oh, no. >> holy [ bleep ]. >> treatment some viewed as unequal, unfair, and racially biased. one bystander exclaiming in surprise as police handcuffed the black teen. >> no it's because he's black. >> reporter: cnn affiliate, wcbs, spoke with one of the
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teens involved, 14-year-old ky, who asked that his last name not be used. >> i was like confused. like why they saw me as a bad person. like, me as like aggressive. >> reporter: an 8th grader telling cnn affiliate wabc, the fight began after he stood up for a friend, a 7th grader, being picked on by the other teen, who the station identifies as a high-school student. the teen calling the encounter with police scary and frustrating. >> if they don't know how to treat the situation, and deal with the situation equally and fairly, then they shouldn't be able to deal with the situation at all. >> reporter: new jersey governor phil murphy saying -- >> i am deeply disturbed by what appears to be a racially disparate treatment in the video. we are -- underscore with emphasis that we're committed to increasing the trust between law enforcement, on the one hand, and the communities they serve, on the other. >> reporter: the naacp new jersey state conference call for the officers involved to be removed from the force, pending
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an investigation. and saying, despite years of talk about bias training and accountability, when bridge water police found two youths fighting, the immediate reaction was to aggressively throw the black child to the ground. at the same time, the white youth was carefully eased onto a couch, and treated like a victim. ky's mother ebony telling wcbs -- >> maybe they could have broken up the fight and maybe set them aside and call their parents? no cuffs, no aggression. dealt with them like they were teenagers. >> reporter: asked what they want to see happen to the officers? >> them to be fired. >> i am not happy about it, and i do want those two cops to become unemployable. that's what i would like. >> the bridge water township police department saying in a facebook post, it knows the video of the incident has upset members of the community, and is asking county prosecutors to conduct an internal-affairs investigation. the somerset county prosecutor's office internal affairs unit
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says it is investigating the fight itself and the police' response to it. >> oh no. >> reporter:s police department says they received additional videos from the community, and both are asking anyone who has an video of the incident to get in touch with them. >> athena jones, thank you so much. so, everyone, ky is here. so is his mother and their attorney benjamin crump. we will speak, right after this. ♪ ♪ nice suits, you guys blend right in. the world needs you back. i'm retired greg, you know this. people have their money just sitting around doing nothing... that's bad, they shouldn't do that. they're getting crushed by inflation. well, i feel for them. they're taking financial advice from memes. [baby spits out milk] i'll get my onesies®. ♪ “baby one more time” by britney spears ♪ good to have you back, old friend. yeah, eyes on the road, benny. welcome to a new chapter in investing. [ding] e*trade now from morgan stanley. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes your stomach for fast relief
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there is outrage after a video showing two new jersey police officers breaking up a fight between two teens in a new jersey mall. police pinning 14-year-old ky to the ground, handcuffing him, while leaving the other teenager uncuffed. ky is here with me now, along with his mother ebone and attorney for the family, ben crump. thank you for joining us. really appreciate it this evening. ky, i am sorry this happened to you. you say this whole incident began when this older teenager, who happens to be white, seen on the -- the video -- was bullying another kid. so, tell us what happened next. what went on? >> he was like kind of bullying because he knew he was older. i didn't like that and like [ inaudible ] and turned into a whole fist fight.
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i was mad about it. then, we ended up on the ground. cops came over. they tackled me bwith their kne on my back and then the female cop came over to help handcuff me with her knee on my back. >> put you in handcuffs. and then, i understand they took you away to a holding area, right? >> uh, yes. >> yeah. >> so, what was going through your mind as the officers were handcuffing you, and keeping you on the ground? and then, the white teen was just left there on the couch? >> i kind of felt like the cops were, like, going along with what the older kid was saying about him being, like, bigger and stronger and superior. i thought they were like agreeing to it. >> what do you mean? when a what do you mean by that?
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explain that, what do you mean? >> i feel like they were treating him as he was superior to me, and agreeing with the fact that he knew he was sphere your or that he like thought he was superior. >> ebone, teenagers, especially teenaged boys, tend to fight sometimes. you know it happens. it is not unheard of behavior. do you think there is any reason to have full-grown adults holding your son down, in the first place? what did you think of the treatment and the difference between how they treated your son and the other teen? >> i -- i think that it doesn't take two adults. it doesn't. um, i just -- i -- i just -- i just can't understand it. i don't. i'm -- i keep trying to wrap my mind around it, and in no possible scenario does it make sense to me. um, if i -- i hate to say this but if it wasn't for race, then what is it? what -- what made them tackle my son, not the other kid?
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what made them be so aggressive with my son and not the other kid? why is the other kid sitting down, looking at my son be humiliated and put into cuffs? it just doesn't make sense. it makes me angry. >> what is this -- what does this do when there is already so much mistrust between black communities and police? what if there hadn't been so many people recording this on their phone, ebone? >> it could have been worse. i feel like if it wasn't in a mall setting, where there were so many eyes, if they did that when there were so many eyes, i can't imagine if it was in another scenario. that's scary, especially knowing, you know -- especially, knowing wh knowing what has happened before. um, it's just scary to think of it and i would like to have us trust the cops. i am not saying all cops are bad.
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what i am saying is there are a few out there that feel they are above the law, i would say. um, i just -- i just -- i just don't understand, to be honest. >> yeah. ben, do they -- anybody explain to you why he was handcuffed and the other teen wasn't? >> no, they haven't, don lemon. and the only thing, as ebone said, it has to be the racial factor because when you think of her son, ky, doing exactly what you want children to do -- to stand up for other children against bullying. and he was the hero in all of this. but yet, the police treated him like the menace. why is the black kid is presumed giltd and the white kid is presumed innocent? the black kid is put face down with a knee in his back and the white kid is allowed to sit on the couch and observe him being
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humiliated. why is the black kid put in handcuffs, falsely detained, and taken to the security facility, while the white kid is allowed to leave scot-free when we know now that he is the initial instigator. it really troubles us, and we have to fix this in society because if we let these be swept under the rug, at least what happened to ahmaud arbery, at least what happened to trayvon martin with our children being profiled based on the color of their skin in the worst type of way. >> ben, the new jersey naacp is calling for the officers involved in breaking up this fight to be, quote, immediately removed. do you and the family agree with that? >> i think the family has already expressed that they want them to be held accountable. and if this is what they call good policing, then they don't want them on the police force because, as ebone said, they had
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cameras here. don, what do they do to our children when cameras aren't on the incident? >> ebone, you were saying absolutely? >> absolutely, yes. i don't want them -- i want taken away because if they will do it now, i am sure they have done it before. and what will they do in the future? they're -- they're -- if you do something once, you -- you've -- can do it again. >> ky -- >> maybe worse. >> ky, you okay? you going to be okay? >> yegs. yes. . >> before we go, you also represent wanda cooper jones, ahmaud arbery's mother. and i just want to get your reaction today to the testimony today in the federal hate crimes trial, and whether it shows a racial motive. >> i believe as wanda and marcus parents have said all along, they lynched him because he was
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jogging while black. everyone from a 911 call the all of the text mentions say that this was a racially motivated murder, and they should be convicted of a hate crime. >> ben, thank you very much. and again, our thanks to ebony and kai. we appreciate you joining us. best of luck. keep us updated. we want to know what happens. >> thank you. >> absolutely. so the nfl is facing a class action lawsuit alleging racial discrimination, so what do they do? they lawyer up. and take this they're going big. they're hiring the first black female attorney general in u.s. history, loretta lynch.
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