z >> yeah. the pressure might get to her because it is so much pressure coming to her not only from olympic officials, athletes, but also her own coaches and from people inside of russia. i know they were propping her up. they had billboards and state media, they had glowing things to say about her. but for a 15-year-old, that is a lot of pressure, and i did, indeed, get the opportunity last night on this program to speak with christine brennan and she said this is beyond the talk of the town the olympics. i also spoke with pawly that edmonds, who was the youngest skater, 15 -- same as kamila valiyeva, this is in sochi in 2014 and she talked about the tremendous pressure. so, while is it unfair for the other athletes, i do feel and i think you will agree, laura, as a -- as a mother, it's unfair for a young girl. she is not giving herself these drugs. she is not -- you know, she just wants to perform and do her best but she has all these adults

around her that are -- that are basically enablers, and also creating this -- this beyond pressure-cooker situation for her. >> you really can't separate the fact of the elephant in the room. we are not talking the average 15-year-old, right? we are talking about one who is under the banner of a country that is not allowed to compete under its own name because of the doping scandals. because of the i way in which they have been accused, time and time again, of putting their thumbs on the scale, being dismissive of the rules as they don't apply to them and i wonder was there a choice where she was between a rock and hard place? either, you can compete at the highest levels with integrity that is required or you do what is expected. we don't know all the answers, yet. what we do know is just imagine what it was like, as she is sitting there having lost, fallen multiple times. to have them roll out the carpet for the award ceremony because they know as long as she doesn't place, they actually could have a medal ceremony. >> yeah.

>> and -- and i saw something that was -- >> return to normal. >> yeah, and return to normal. and i heard there was actually -- i think adele was playing in the background "rolling in the deep." we could have had it all and her coach said something along the lines of explain this to me. and of course, that is the looming question for everyone, right? explain this all to me, don. >> it's -- look, i think it is easily explainable. she had a lot of people pushing her. um, again, 15 years old. there was some talk, as you know, about raising the age a little bit, right, for maturity because they thought 15 might be a little bit too young but as christine brennan told me last night, it doesn't matter -- referencing what you said about russia and the issues that they had with -- with doping, right, and performance-enhancing drugs, and they were actually on probation, whatever the technical term for -- for it is. it wouldn't matter if it was 50 or 25 or 16 or 26, as long as you had a country that was behind you and a system that was encouraging you to break the

rules, it didn't matter the age, it would still be there. >> don, so well said. and of course, it's coming from don lemon of "don lemon tonight." >> laura, man, the times that we are in. i mean, you couldn't -- you can't write that there is this turmoil happening, all this turmoil with russia and ukraine. and then, you have the olympics as a backdrop, right, with a russian skater and -- and china. it is really unbelievable, what's happening. >> it -- there -- there's some mastermind or a hollywood plot all afoot at once. either way, i can't wait to hear your show, as always. >> it is the year of the water tiger, so get ready. more tumult coming. >> good-bye. >> this is "don lemon tonight." thank you so much for joining us and, yes, we have all the developing news. we are going -- we are going oh get to ukraine. we are going to get to russia. we are going oh get to the skating but we have got big news happening in this country.

it is a huge smackdown for the trump family in a new york' courtroom today. all right? or a court today. a judge ordering the former president, his son don jr., his daughter ivanka, all of them, to testify under oath. it is a family affair. testify under oath in the, new york attorney general investigation of their practices and attorney for the former president says he is of course going to appeal. the judge throwing out every one of their arguments, calling them audacious, preposterous, comparing them to george orwell and remember this? a alternative facts. as we just said, you cannot bright this. going on to say they have the right to refuse to answer questions they claim would incriminate them. after all, eric trump took the fifth more than 500 times -- 500 times. think about that. that's a lot of times. the thing is, i don't know say

five or fifth 500 times in my entire life, and i am old. he says you have the absolute right to take the fifth but in a civil case, the jury can sassum that there is an incriminating answer, and that doesn't look good. just ask one donald j. trump. >> have you seen what's going on in front of congress? fifth amendment, fifth amendment, fifth amendment. horrible. horrible. the mob takes the fifth. if you're innocent, why are you taking the fifth amendment? when you have your staff taking the fifth amendment, taking the fifth so they're not prosecuted, i think it's disgraceful. >> so here we are. today's ruling coming just days after the accounting firm the former president and his businesses used for years, unceremoniously dumped them

saying it could no longer vouch for the financial statements it has compiled over the past decade. so, today's ruling is bad news on top of bad news on top of bad news for the trump family. but, let's remember, the former president is what you would have to call an expert at depositions. he once estimated he has given more than 100 of them. remember the time in a deposition that he couldn't remember whether he had said the greatest mem riory. >> did i say i have a great memory? or one of the best in the world? >> best in the world. >> i don't remember that. as -- as good as my memory is, i don't remember that. >> again, gah. we got a lot more to come on that, in just a moment. meanwhile, nobody seems to believe that vladimir putin has any intention of backing down as thousands of russian troops are amassed on the border with ukraine, western officials say

almost half of russia's troops around ukraine are now within 30 miles of the border. president joe biden seems convinced an attack will come within days. >> mr. president, how high is the threat of a russian' invasion right now? >> it's very high. very -- >> why? >> because they have not -- they have not moved any of their troops out. they have moved more troops in, number one. number two, we have reason to believe that they are engaged in a false-flag operation to have an excuse to go in. every indication we have is they are prepared to go into ukraine, attack ukraine. >> you are saying this is going to happen? >> kwles, my sense is it will happen in the next several days. >> i don't know if you saw this moment today but the secretary of state making an unscheduled stop at the u.n. today, and telling the security council russia is manufacturing false claims to justify going to war.

and warning, in shocking detail, what those claims might be. >> it could be a fabricated so-called terrorist bombing inside russia. the invented discovery of a mass grave. a staged drone strike against civilians. or a fake -- even a real -- attack using chemical weapons. russia may describe this event as ethnic cleansing or a genocide. making a mockery of the concept that we, in this chamber, do not take light hi. >> getting ahead of the problem there. fabricated bombing, invented mass grave, a staged drone strike, chemical weapons. like i said, nobody seems to believe vladimir putin has any intention of backing down. the entire administration delivering dire warnings to russia, which couldn't be more different from the disgraceful performance from the former president, cozying up to putin, standing next to him in helsinki

and taking his word over our own intelligence community, saying he didn't see any reason to believe russia was behind interference in our 2016 election. >> my people came to me -- dan coats came to me and some others. they said they think it's russia. uh, i have president putin. uh, he just said it's not russia. i will say this. i don't see any reason why it would be. >> talk about opposite administrations. one paying attention, following the directives, or at least the recommendations from our intelligence community. the other, standing up with vladimir putin. discarding the intelligence community. interesting. there is also news tonight on the federal hate crimes trial of three men convicted of murdering ahmaud arbery. the judge saying a juror was asking about counseling, after hearing disturbing testimony about texts and social-media messages from two of the men full of racist insults -- those

messages, by the way. and it is disturbing. but i said it before. we live in an america where, every day, there are people who feel feel completely free to make jokes act it, to laugh about it, and they don't even think it's wrong. they have no idea it is even wrong. they think it is okay. they think they are right. they think it is the status quo. that's how everybody else should think. that is real -- that's really the problem. it is the kind of hate that is hard to listen to in a courtroom in 2022 but it's there, just the same. lot to get to this evening. i want to tub now to cnn senior legal analyst and former-federal prosecutor elie honig, and tim o'brien, senior columnist for bloomberg opinion. he is also the author of "trump nation." gentlemen, good evening. mr. o'brien, i am going to start with you. you say it is -- it's often -- it often looks like trump is ensnared but you believe that this time, he's really -- really

could be an existential crisis. explain why you think it's different this time? >> well, it's different this time, don, because he has -- um -- two deeply-resourced, sophisticated prosecutors breathing down his neck. he has juggled these kinds of accusations in the past from journalists. but journalists don't have subpoena power. journalists don't have the power of the law behind them. and -- and he's -- he's in a corner now. um, we don't know, you know, if he will stay there. we don't know if he'll end up, you know, deeply pen -- penalized in the civil case, and possibly going to jail in the criminal case. i -- i -- i don't see that as an outcome. but i don't see also that he is just going to skate through this as he has through every other lega legal snafu he has encountered in the past because it is just a very different set of circumstances this time. and his organization has been under pressure. he has people inside his own

company who -- who could potentially flip against him. um, his -- his in-house accountant has been indicted. his outside accountants appear to be cooperating with investigators. and now, there is -- there's, you know, the likelihood, i think, at some point that they are going to have to testify under oath. whether he says anything useful in that deposition is another matter. but it's -- it is a really intense set of circumstances facing him right now. >> elie, i want you to respond what tim had to say because he puts together it seems like the walls are closing in and then i want to ask another question about the trump children. but what do you think? he says it is different this time. you think he's -- >> major threat to the trump organization. major threat to the business. major threat to the financial wellbeing of donald trump and his family. i think it is very likely we see a civil lawsuit by the attorney general, letitia james. if that happens, that could wipe out the trump org. i think the question of criminal charges is a very different matter. i agree with tim.

i don't think that's particularly likely based on what we know right now but of course we don't know everything. >> let's talk about beyond that. not only for trump but his children as well. the judge picking apart the arguments from trump's lawyers. looks like they are going to be focused on the answers for what the judge called "copious evidence of possible financial fraud." talk to me about that. >> well, just said it. the single-most important word in this eight-page ruling or so by the judge today -- copious. copious. that means a lot. i looked it up. and the judge said copious evidence of potential fraud here. i mean, that is coming from a judge. that's a big deal and the judge said because the attorney general has shown me this level, this quality of evidence, i am going to uphold the subpoenas. generally speaking, prosecutors/investigators have very broad authority to issue subpoenas and that's why we saw such a decisive ruling from the judge. >> well, we often talk about trump's doublespeak. he will say something in one and negate it in the next because

the argument the lawyers are making is he denies acknowledgment of his finances but then goes on and puts out a long statement bragging about his businesses and net worth. is that a legal problem for him? or could it become a legal problem for him? >> it is. he just couldn't control himself. and this is why lawyers always tell their clients just shut up. just say nothing. lawyers say he didn't know. trump couldn't help himself. issued one of those memorandums that he write i guess in lieu of twitter and said i know everything. it is going to be a problem. >> tim, you have been in a deposition with trump before. we just saw a clip how he acts during a legal deposition. trump and his children will have to all be under oath and have to be on the same page. how do you see this going? >> well, you know, that deposition, don, was involved litigating the same fact pattern that is in play right now. did he inflate the value of his assets when it was useful for him to do so? did he deflate it when it was useful for him to do so? um, and how responsible was he for all of those things?

and -- and -- and the same accountants who, um, just, you know, essentially fired donald trump were accountants we deposed over a decade ago. only difference is i was a journalist involved in that case, i wasn't a public prosecutor. um, during your deposition with trump, we deposed him for two days in december of 2007. two eight-hour sessions. and um, he was caught out lying more than 30 times in the course of those two depositions. we had bank documents. we had his tax returns. we simply pushed things across the table to him that he couldn't refute under oath. and our evidence, i don't think, was nearly as voluminous as -- as -- as what tish james's office has and what the manhattan da's office has and as elie pointed out, the -- you know, the evidence is so voluminous, that the judge essentially said to the trumps

dispense with this idea that this is a political -- um -- prosecution. i think the trumps had a lot to point to. i think tish james has been injudicious at times but, be that as it may, the judge is saying there is something here and we are going to take a close look at it. and now, of all of them -- not just donald trump but donald trump jr. and ivanka trump and eric -- all being forced to testify under oath. if they get to a point where they are not going to simply do what eric did and take the fifth hundreds of times, they are going to have to make very sure their stories line up. they are going to have to make very sure that there's not evidence on the table that contradicts any lies or misstatements they make, and that's a very, very tricky situation. on top of it, donald trump is about the worst client you could put into a deposition. i have to believe his lawyers are pulling their hair out. on one day, they are saying

donald trump has no knowledge in a specific way about any of his own finances, which of course has no credibility, that statement. but they have said that. and then, a day later he is on social media like yosemite sam -- yeah, and blowing up his own legal defense. >> well, as elie said, you know, you said lawyers say to their clients, shut up, don't talk. elie, that's pretty hard for donald trump. >> not the easiest client. >> thank you, both. i appreciate it. we have to get to the developing news overseas. thank you, tim. russian troops surrounding ukraine on three sides. dire warnings from president biden on down. what are u.s. military leaders doing to prepare? i am going to ask the former-defense secretary. that is next. >> our information indicates clearly that these forces, including ground troops, aircraft, ships, are preparing to launch an attack against ukraine in the coming days.

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♪ oh what a wonderful world ♪ president biden warning tonight that every indication his administration is seeing shows russia is prepared to attack ukraine within the next few days. that, they have moved troops in, and not out. and the secretary of state, antony blinken, addressing the u.n. security council, saying russia will likely gin up a so-called false-flag operation as an excuse to launch an invasion. there is a lot to discuss with former defense secretary william cohen. good evening to you, sir. we are so grateful to have you

here. the president -- president joe biden -- will speak with the trans-atlantic leaders on a call tomorrow about russia's military buildup along ukraine's border. he has warned today, a russian invasion could happen in the next serl several days. defense secretary, lloyd austin, says the russians are flying in more combat and supported aircraft. what are -- what are top-u.s. and nato military leaders doing right now to prepare, given russia's very aggressive posture now? >> well, they are prepared to, i hope, reinforce the -- the forces that we have in nato, itself. this is one thing that president biden has indicated he wants to put more people, more troops in the areas most vulnerable to a potential russian attack. and i think they will be talking about ways in which they can defunct their defensive capability. understanding that putin wants to break up nato and the eu, basically, to drive a wedge between the united states and -- and european countries.

so we have to do our best to reinforce the notion that we will hang together, fight together, in terms of protecting our interests. and then hopefully, continue to provide information to the ukrainians to help them in their defense. >> one of the most important moments -- if not for me today, secretary, was -- and i am sure you heard the secretary of state blinken today at the u.n. saying that russia is planning to fabricate a joiskds for war. he points to things like a fake bombing or a mass -- a fake-mass grave. or even a real chemical weapons' attack. we have noted before how this administration has released a lot of intel. but are you surprised by this level of specificity? >> not really. i am happy to have it out there because you're really informing the world this is what the russians do. on a personal level, they have used nerve agents, poisons, prisons, anything to keep dissidents in check and put them in jail or kill them. and so, this is a tactic that

the russians use, so the notion that they would use chemical agents is not surprising, or nerve agents, not surprising. they will use disinformation. denial, disruption. all of that is part of their game plan. so, the more you can illuminate that, prepare the world for, this is what they do, perhaps when they try to, again, come out with denial and obfuscation, and passing the blame elsewhere, the world will know they are lying. >> so interesting. so, you believe by laying it all out there -- i thought it was very smart, i want to know what you think -- is there a hope that it thwarts putin in some way and it has to get their attention, don't you think? >> well, i'm sure it gets their attention. i think what putin is counting on -- frankly, looking at how he is weighing the odds -- i think he is prepared to go in, and conclude that the united states and the nato countries will fold over the years before he will. that this is an opportunity for him to take ukraine back under its wing. really, the irony here is the people -- the ukrainians simply

want to live free. and what he is saying, i am going to free you from freedom by killing you by the thousand. this is his answer to freedom. i am going to bring you back under the russian roof and that's the russian jail. >> well, we are going to be talking about it this a lot, secretary cohen, and appreciate having you here. thank you very much. >> good to be with you. >> racism on full display in the hate crimes trial of three men convicted of murdering ahmaud arbery. the content's so disturbing, a juror asking the judge to provide counseling. plus, an officer at the scene of george floyd's death admitting that he could have performed cpr. all this, next.

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the georgia bureau of investigations taking the stand today in the federal hate crime trial -- hate crimes, i should say, trial of the three men convicted of murdering ahmaud arbery. his testimony revealing new information about travis mcmichael's truck. turns out, he had a confederate flag vanity license plate and a decal of a blue confederate cross on a toolbox in the bed of his truck. that, after another agent revealed racist text messages and social-media posts from two of the defendants. joining me now, cnn legal analyst, areva martin. she is the author of "awakening, ladies, leadership, and the lies we have been told." and we are glad to have you this evening. here is one of the texts -- one of the texts revealed during the trial. it says a friend texts travis mcmichael, quote, this cracker barrel up here is full of some other kinds of people. mcmichael replies, quote, need to change the name from cracker barrel to n-word bucket. now today, we are learning that

the confederate symbols decorating his truck. but all this evidence -- does it add up to a hate crime? >> well, don, the evidence has been so horrific, it's been so offensive. we know that the juror -- at least one, if not many jurors -- have asked the judge about counseling. about emotional, psychological counseling because they have had to sit through the testimony of these prosecution' witnesses, and hear just the animus that these defendants had towards african-americans. and, yes, the prosecution has a heavy burden. they have to prove that this racial animus was the reason that they chased and killed ahmaud arbery. but i think when jurors hear the kind of evidence that's been presented, it is not going to be a big leap for them to conclude that it was their hatred for african-americans that caused them to engage in this conduct that resulted in the death of ahmaud arbery. i don't think the prosecution is

going to have a difficult time in making its case. >> hmm, interesting. like you said, one of the jurors is asking the judge in the court if the -- if the judge is going to provide counseling services today. um, they will. if you are the defense -- if you are the defense' attorney in this case, what are you making of this counseling request? that cannot be good if you have -- and i want to hear from you, though -- if you have a member of the jury saying was so disturbing, i need counseling. >> oh, it's not a good sign at all, don. and you couple that with the defense attorneys. even in their opening statements, they had to admit their clients made these statements. but they, then, you know, told the juries disregard these statements. even though they made these statements, you have to keep in context that these statements weren't made in reference to ahmaud arbery. and that somehow, they can make these statements, but yet engage in conduct that is not motivated by racial animus. i think the defendants know it is a stretch. people's minds don't work that way. jurors' minds don't work that

way. they go into the deliberation room and take their common sense and if you have that kind of hatred for black people, you think black people are criminals, you think they are subhuman, naturally, your instinct would be to do what these individuals did. so, i believe the defense is worried but you have to remember, don, these two -- at least the father-son team, they tried to enter into a plea negotiation where they would avoid a public trial. but the judge rejected that plea negotiation. so, they are not at this trial because they wanted to be here. they were hoping to avoid having this kind of evidence presented but they were left with no choice once the judge rejected their plea agreement. >> yeah, look, you sparked something because they are admitting in these text messages they are otherizing people. cracker barrel here is full of some other kinds of people. you know, i got the chance to speak with some of the -- the jurors who heard the murder trial for derek chauvin -- um, the murder of george floyd. listen to what they told me about how the trial impacted them.

>> this is a very personal question. are you seeing anyone? >> i was seeing somebody, yeah. >> to talk about it? >> yeah. >> did it help? >> yeah. and also, um, the -- the court did offer us counseling, if need be. so -- >> and you needed it? >> yeah. >> in my mind right now, while talking about it. >> the video mays over and over in your mind? >> yes. >> you think you will be okay? >> i think so. >> you worry? >> why? >> yes a lot i wake up with nightmares. but yeah, it's something i will never forget, no matter how much therapy i have already done. >> you know, areva, you say following the high-profile trials involving the killing of black men has a compounding effect. >> absolutely, don. this is racial battle fatigue where african-americans, in

particular, after they have been eyewitnesses -- and really, we are eyewitnesses when we watch these videos, and we watch them over and over and over, again, and we are subject to the kind of violence that black men face at the hands of police, and in this case vigilantes. it has a psychology ically damng effect on us. not being able to sheep, not being able to eat, not being able to concentrate and being in a constant state of depression and sadness over what they are witnessing and some psychologists tell folks lay off the news, don't watch the stories. don't watch the videos. don't, you know, consume this kind of content because it is so painful and it is so offensive. you talked about the derek chauvin case, don. remember, dylan ruth who killed the people at the church in south carolina while they were in bible class. at that trial, the survivors who didn't die from that massacre had to testify, and i remember the jurors also needed counseling after listening to those victims recount what

happened. and then, having to watch dylan who laughed as he confessed to the murders of those african-americans in that church. so, there are many instances where jurors are in these high-profile trials. they are subject to this kind of offensive testimony and evidence and it does have -- takes a toll on them emotionally. >> let's talk about the current federal civil rights trial over the murder of george floyd. former minneapolis police officer j. alexander keung testifying today, areva. he was admitting that he was in a position to perform cpr on floyd when he lost consciousness but he didn't. damning? >> oh, absolutely. that's the -- the crux of the prosecution's case is that these officers failed to intervene, and that they failed to provide medical care. and the excuse that we are hearing from these defendants taking the witness stand is somehow they believe it was derek chauvin's responsibility. he was the senior officer there, so they are trying to point the finger at derek chauvin and also

as we talked about last night, pointing the finger at the minneapolis police department, saying their training was subpar and i think expecting the jurors to believe the police officers shou relieved of responsibility for all of us saw was the common sense thing to do which was to save george floyd's life. after all, they are policemen. protect and serve and we didn't see them protecting anyone other than themselves, and trying to create a narrative that would reh relieve of them responsibility. i don't think their testimony, don -- any of the defendants that have testified to date -- i don't think it's done any good in terms of helping them avoid liability. we saw what happened with derek chauvin. i don't have a crystal ball. i can't predict with certainty but i don't think this trial -- this federal civil rights trial is going well for these defendants. >> yeah but you have been there. you know the courtroom, so thank you very much. >> i have been there and we have been here, before. and we know what the outcome was in derek chauvin and we are hoping that the outcome is the same with respect to these three individuals, that they are held accountable for standing by,

watching, not taking any action to save the life of george noid. floyd. and we know, don, in the prosecution case, one of the witnesses testified that george floyd could have been saved if medical care had been provided to him, he could have lived. he did not have to die on the streets in minneapolis on that night. >> yeah. thank you, areva. i appreciate it. a through line in both of these stories. they were caught on camera. and this week, we are seeing more racist incidents causing outrage. again, because they were all caught on camera. cornel west is here. he is going to weigh in, right after this. eblows. so puffs plus lotion rescued his nose. with up to 50% more lotion, puffs bring soothing relief. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. america's #1 lotion tissue. (vo) when you are shopping for a new vehicle, how do you know which brand you can trust? with subaru, you get kelley blue book's most trusted brand winner, seven years in a row. in fact, subaru has won most trusted brand

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shocking video showing a black teen pijed to the ground and handcuffed by a police officer after a fight at the mall. while the white teen involved was not handcuffed at all. plus, hateful and racist messages revealed in testimony at the federal hate crimes' trial of three men convicted of murdering ahmaud arbery. what does this all tell us about

race in america? so joining me now, civil rights leader, professor cornel west. there he is! professor, love having these conversations. >> how you doing, my brother? >> i am -- i am doing very well. i'm glad you are here. let's talk about this. you heard areva and i just talked about the developments in the trials over the killings of george floyd and ahmaud arbery. we have been reporting on this mall fight between two teens, where police restrained, and then handcuffed and arrested the black teen but the white teen was just told to sit on the couch. was not taken away or restrained or, um, you know, taken to confinement or -- or -- or what have you. thes these are all very different cases but we know what happened because it was all caught on video. that is the through-line here, right? >> absolutely. but the important thing for me to keep in mind, though, brother is that, yes, white-supremacist behavior is evil. we know it's everywhere. but i have been blessed to be at

the university under the magnificent leadership who is the president. and i say that because we have deposit to talk about forces of good in the face of evil. we don't want to be parasitic on evil. we don't want to be just reactive. we want creative responses that have a vision, that can highlight our strength in the face of what those police did to our brother ky. so you think about amir, think about trayvon, you think about george floyd. you think, also, about all of the strength and the love and the power and the vision that come out of their traditions, our traditions, any peoples who are concerned about being forces of good in the face of that evil. we don't want the evil to be so centered, that we are just some kind of parasites on it. i refuse that paradigm, that framework. you see?

i -- i come from a great people where we do the framing. we do the defining of how we proceed, and then we're not surprised by that vicious behavior of the police vis-a-vis the black brother in -- in -- in -- in new jersey. >> let me ask you this. i totally get the point you're making. and -- and, you know, having framed it that way, we may not see these things in order to be able to frame it or react to it or figure out the how do we make it better, if there wasn't videotape. if you think of all the instances of racial bias that we don't see, that aren't -- aren't caught on tape, do we have a true understanding of just how bad it may be so that we can counteract that with the good that you say? >> well, it's a wonderful question. i think we should assume that it is worse. i mean, that -- that he 's the e

history of the howard university, spellman, morehouse, tuskegee. we know how deep white supremacy cuts. we are not surprised when it raises its ugly face over and over and over, again. what we're concentrating on is what kind of countervailing force we can be so that we hold up a moral comexcellence and spiritual greatness. he or she is greatest among you will be in service to the least of the -- the vulnerable, oppressed, the persecuted. because if we are fortified, if we are really ready for serious spiritual and moral engagement against evil, then we are going to spend a whole lot of time refortifying ourselves in order to deal with what's happening at that mall. so that when -- when brother -- when brother ky comes home, he says to himself, i am still a

human being and i have a dignity that those policemen can never take away from me. >> well, i tried to tell him that after we did last night, that he should have a dignity. they shouldn't be able to take away from him. benjamin crump. talk about that after the break but here is the thing. not to -- i am not excusing what they did at all. but aren't these people -- and even, um, you know, the -- the -- ahmaud arbery hate crimes' trial. aren't these people, in many ways -- in a big way -- caught up or co-opted in a system even now that is refusing to even teach people about race, to talk about race, to -- um -- to -- to call people who try to bring light to it race-baiting. do you understand what i am saying? who don't want to confront the issue, even to bring it to a positive place. isn't -- aren't they caught up by that? they are victims of that -- of that system? >> yeah, in some sense. but keep in mind, any attempt to do away with critical-race

theory means what? 1619 project number one on "new york times'" best-seller week after week after week after week. so we can use the various kinds of attempts to be narrow to continually broaden, deepen, universalize our vision and our efforts. it's just that we should never, ever be -- get so discouraged that we think all we do is just react to all of these vicious acts. no. we are taking off with vision, with power, with courage, with compassion, regardless. now, if -- if we end up -- if it ends up that america gets over and dissolves and is disintegrated because the hatred completely took over, we can say we went down swinging. we held on with integrity. that's all you can do, brother. >> proefessor, you are the best. thank you. we will see you soon. we will have another

conversation like this very soon. how do we -- how do we -- how do we create something positive out of this at least learning something. thank you, professor. i appreciate it. the russian skater at the center of a doping scandal framing out at her last olympic performance. we will talk about it, next. ph? and y'all got electric cars? yeah. the future is crunk! (laughs) anything else you wanna know? is the hype too much? am i ready? i can't tell you everything. but if you want to make history, you gotta call your own shots. we going to the league! mission control, we are go for launch. um, she's eating the rocket. ♪ lunchables! built to be eaten.

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bun praised as possibly one of the best figure skaters ever. carry, hi, so good to see you. wish we were talking about a better story. but there's turmoil going on around the olympics. a shocking meltdown. there was a treamendous amount f pressure on her after her positive test and the fact she was still allowed to compete. what's your reaction? >> first of all, good to be here, my friend. i agree watching it was very sad. watching her have that breakdown in front of the world was horrible. i hear the calls for saying she's just a little girl, the victim of the system. sadly though, i can't go that far. i have empathy for what is happening. but there is something clearly wrong and fishy. we deal with the roc.

russia -- we've let them come and play and do whatever they've wanted to in terms of the olympic games and to me, it's the ioc. there's no governing body that's really in charge. i agree that this governing body needs to be dissipated, reworked because they continue to allow what is corruption at these games that are supposed to be pure, amateur in some ways and more important lay, they're supposed to represent a true and fair competition and that's not here. >> two other russian skaters finished with gold and silver. both share the same coach as valieva. are they under increased scrutiny too since she tested positive? >> absolutely. the entire program and i don't understand why there's not more outrage. in fact, i'm thinking to myself it's a very slippery slope if you're calling the figure skating. you want to be fair, talk about what's happening but you cannot deny the controversy and that

two of her teammates meddled. and in my mind i'm sitting at home and thinking when do we decide enough is enough. winter olympics, for so many people, it's their only opportunity to livable, get sponsorships, perhaps start a new future if they do well. and then you have a situation where are you know the russians are are dirty. the russian doping committee -- i heard the other day watching your show it's the wild, wild west. they are not taking control of what is happening. and it's a system that is well in place and it's been in place for years and we're not acknowledging it and we won't just say this is what it is we have to stop this. >> let me see carry on the screen by herself. if i was in los angeles i, would be heading right over. flowers, a fireplace you're living your best life. >> hi, yes. you're welcome.

please join me. >> and maybe serenading with a guitar over your left shoulder. carry champion, everyone. >> this is a serious subject. come on in. it's warm too. we got the heat on. >> i'm having a little fun with you. thanks. be well. a judge says trump's got to talk about the business under oigt and he won't be alone. his kids have to do it too. dy, . let's do a cue test. okay. ♪ (whispers) whoa, what is that? ♪ who is this new device? i'm cue and i'm here to protect the family. hey, that's my job. i'm a smart home testing lab. i'm fast and super accurate. please be negative. don't worry, i got this. woah! shhh, they're coming... ♪ yesss! we're really warming up to you, cue. just wait till you see what else i can do.

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