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are you a christian author with a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. i'm michael holmes in lviv in ukraine. we're going to take you straight to it the munich conference with the nato secretary-general yen stoltenberg is speaking. >> cyclical steps that can improve security for all countries. the current crisis is about more than ukraine. there is much at stake. relations between nato and
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russia, european and transatlantic security and ultimately the question of how we wish to organize relations between states. moskow is saeattempting to roll back history and re-create its spheres of influence. it wants to limit nato's right to collective defense and demands we should remove all of our forces and infrastructure from the countries that join nato off the ukrainian wall. but let me be clear, there is no first clause nato members in the western alliance and second clause nato members to the east. we are all nato allies. and we stand as one. and we will always do what is necessary to protect and defend each other.
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moskow also wants to deny sovereign countries the right to choose their own path and their own security arrangements. for ukraine but also for other countries such as finland and sweden. and for the first time we now see beijing joining moskow in calling on nato to stop admitting new members. it is an attempt to control the fate of free nations, to rewrite the international rule book and impose they're own authoritarian rules of governance. the current crisis demonstrates the importance of the transatlantic relationship for european security. two world wars and a cold war has taught us that there's no real security in europe without the strong transatlantic bond. standing together in nato europe
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and america will continue to keep the peace and protect our democratic way of life as we have done for more than 70 years. nato is a defense alliance. we're not threatening russia or anyone else, but we will take all necessary measures to protect and defend all allies. this is why in response to russia's pattern of aggressive actions we have been strengthening our deterrence on the fence across the alliance to avoid any mi miscal calculation misunderstanding. so if kremlin's aim is to have less nato on its borders, it will only get more nato. and if it wants to divide nato, it will only get an even more
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united alliance. over the last years our security environment has fundamentally changed for the worse. peace cannot be taken for granted. freedom and democracy are contested, and strategic competition is on the rise. this is a new normal, and we must be prepared and do everything we can to keep the bond between america and europe as strong as ever. after the experience of horrors of war knew that europe and america together will guarantee a lasting peace. it still is today. by standing together we can and will keep our people safe, protect our core values and principles and uphold the new
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space international order. thank you. [ applause ] >> thank you so, jens, mr. secretary-general. >> nato secretary-general jens stoltenberg there speaking at the munich security conference and saying moskow wants to roll back history and re-create its sphere of influence. he said there are no second class members of nato to the east, and he also issued a word of warning saying for the first time china also stepping into the fray and joining moskow to call for nato to stop accepting new members. he rejected that notion outright. i was keeping an eye what's going on there at the munich security conference. this is annual security conference that discusses all sorts of world crises.
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normally in recent years it's been things like afghanistan and iraq. this time, of course, ukraine and the threatened russian invasion is top of the agenda. there will be other issues also discussed, but that obviously is the focus and the main point on everyone's mind. we'll keep an ear out for what's going on in munich and bring you any updates. meanwhile on friday u.s. president joe biden said he's convinced the russian president, vladimir putin, has made a final decision to invade ukraine. mr. biden saying on friday that the attack will likely come in a matter of days and is expected to target ukraine's capital, kyiv. but adding that diplomacy not yet off the table. >> did you have any indication as to whether putin has made a decision, do you feel he's made
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a decision already? >> as this moment we're convinced he's made a decision. >> you're convinced president putin is going to invade ukraine? is that what you said? >> yes, i did. >> so is diplomacy off the table then? >> no. until he does diplomacy is always a possibility. >> moskow responding to his comments in the last few hours categorically denying russia is planning any attack on ukraine, all this coming as putin prepares for what could be the most dramatic show of force yet. a series of military drills later today where ballistic and cruise missiles are to be launched. the video your seeing there are drills from belarus earlier this month. we're also seeing new images of russian backed separatists in eastern ukraine evacuating
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residents to russia. they're claiming a ukrainian offensive is imminent. ukraine denies that. there's no evidence of it either. pro-russian separatest leaders meanwhile have also reportedly called for military mobilizations in ukraine's break away regions. cnn diplomatic editor nic robertson joins me now from moskow. let's talk about what we heard from jens stoltenberg as well. it seems they are pushing and enforcing unity in the case of what's going on with russia and ukraine. your thoughts? >> yeah, absolutely. jens stoltenberg talked about what moskow is seeing happening because of their actions. he said if the kremlin wants to see nato get further away from its borders its actions are having the reverse effect. if the kremlin wants to see nato divided its actions are having a
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different effect. i think we were all listening to what precisely stoltenberg would say about the most up-to-date position of russian forces on the ground. and we heard him say that they continue -- they continue, in his words, to gain strength around ukraine, that they're not pulling back. and i think it was also instructive. you know, he was saying very clearly that there was a hope that diplomacy can still find a way ahead out of this situation. unlike president biden who said that he's seen clear that president putin had taken a decision to go into ukraine, jens stoltenberg said we don't know what they will do. he is very clear that russia continues to build its force in a very threatening way around the edges of ukraine. but his assessment, we don't know what they will do, leaves
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open -- perhaps open a bigger window for diplomacy. we know the french president, emmanuel macron, is talking later today with president putin. it does seem that window for diplomacy is shutting down. no one giving up on it, but as well as the european commission president making it very clear that the relationship with russia going forward is one that is going to be changing, not essentially even if they don't invade. because she said europe cannot be dependent for its energy on a country that threatens war. that a very strong message for president putin, but it seems one that he is deaf to at the moment, michael. >> i wanted to ask you this, too. and both jens stoltenberg and ursula spoke of unity. when it comes to the minutia how
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this is being handled, though, are they all in agreement on sanctions, what sanctions, how they should be enforced, weapons to ukraine, weapon support and so on? >> i think there are some slight differences, and i think we got a hint of that from president biden last night and his advisers. there may be some pluses and minuses in the combined response and reaction on sanctions to -- to president putin if he invades ukraine. you know, i think we've heard from the italian prime minister late last night indicating that perhaps energy wouldn't be among the -- the energy sector wouldn't be among the sanctions imposed on russia. the italian prime minister spoke that he had had some assurances from president putin that there could be ways that gas supplies would come to -- come to italy. we heard as well president putin
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after, you know, his meeting with the german chancellor earlier in the week saying, you know, the moment germany gets cheaper energy supplies or five times lower than the global rate from its gas supplies from russia, but if there's going to be a change in the future it essentially wouldn't be his fault if germans looked in their pocketbooks and found they had less supplies because the gas costs had gone up. there is no doubt president putin sees energy supplies as a means of leverage over different members of the european union, and it does appear as if there's some slightly different alignments on how that's being interpreted by those different individual leaders. broadly speaking, the sanctions seem very aligned. but i think it is clear that some countries expect perhaps that -- perhaps not to be fully aligned. but we are told that these differences are small
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differences, pluses and minuses. but the key strategy set by the european union going forward essentially saying that europe as a whole cannot be hostage to a country that will hold it, you know, at the barrel of a gun really over the cost of energy supplies. so that's a strategic view going forward, that europe will collectively look for energy supplies elsewhere and that the europe as a whole is on the safe side of energy supplies going forward this winter. because as you say this is a very delicate political balance for europe's leaders to say we're going to put sanctions on russia, and russia could turn throttle back on gas supplies for us, and that could put prices up in our countries. that is a delicate political balance for many european leaders, but there does seem to be overall alignment on how to
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tackle it going forward, michael. >> yeah, a vital issue. nic robertson, great to have you there for the analysis. thanks so much there in moskow. and we're going to take a quick break. we'll be back with much more after that. may i? we're definitely not lit. i mean seriously, we named ourselves booooking.cm which is kind of lit if we are talking.g... literal... ha ha. it's why we're planet earth's number one site for booking accommodation. we love booking stuff! and we're just here to help you make the best of your vacation. ow... hi... booking.com booking.yeah
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all right, we heard just a few minutes ago words of european unity from the european commission president, also the nato secretary-general stoltenberg in the face of the crisis unfolding between russia and ukraine. and now we turn to an important european voice as all of that unfolds. joining me now from war saw is the deputy foreign minister of poland. minister, really appreciate your voice on this day. everyone, of course, preparing for a possible russian invasion of ukraine. how would that impact poland, and what would poland do? >> well, thank you very much for having me. of course, i mean we are somehow ready to -- to host a possible number of refugees if there would be a full-scale invasion.
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so being a neighboring country and already hosting 1.5 million ukrainian citizens on our post and we are ready to host them even more. we believe there's even space and room for diplomacy to solve this issue. although i have to admit that this room for maneuver diplomat has been more limited comparing to the previous days. unfortunately, since russia has already taken this decision of invasion, i do believe not, but all the facts says, unfortunately, those thousands of troops deployed on the border of ukraine are ready to attack. >> you mentioned diplomacy. poland has played a key role in the diploem macy going on.
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how did you see poland's role going forward? >> being a member of nato we're playing a significant role at the member of nato and we're ready to continue this work. what's more, we are determined in office of oece, so bier ready to host the entire process of dialogue with russia in order to solve those issues, but we need to acknowledge the fact that russia's expectations are somehow going to the direction to force us to bridge international regulation and to compromise on our norms. and that is impossible for us to achi achieve any kind of compromise.
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>> it's interesting. western embassies have, of course, moved their operations to where i am in the west of the country. poland has not and deliberately so. explain your thinking on that. >> well, we do have a special responsibility that being on the ukrainian soil, being the neighbor country as we just discussed there's a possible midpra migration flow with poland. we have not only embassy in kyiv, we have several consulate all over ukraine. also our airline departments from the european union, they want us to be active and helpful with regard to this migration. that's the first argument. the second, of course, we need to know what's going on the
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ukrainian soil. our diplomats are doing important work for nato, for eu, for the international community. so they need to stay there until the moment they are really in danger. if the situation will be of course worsening we will decide to evacuate them, but not as a first rather as the last evacuation of our compatriots, the citizens of poland and the citizens of the eu. >> it obviously sends a signal poland staying put there. obviously mr. putin has wanted to sow fractures in the western unity, but has the crisis brought the union closer together? >> well, definitely. i would say we are quite united. of course 27 members states there's always sometimes divisions or different perspectives, but the assessment with regard to the russian
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behavior is very similar. what we do discuss is the possible reaction you just showed us some video about discussing the possible sanctions. we are in poland very much in favor of harsh sanctions. we need to react decisively if russia attacks ukraine. of course there are countries in the western part of our continent of the eu which are not that much eager to support that kind of package of sanctions, but that's always the compromise. but we need to sit together, and we need to react as the union. this is not the time to discuss the divisions among us. it's time, rather, to keep the unity, and i do believe the european union and transatlantic union. >> and more u.s. troops have arrived in poland. russia, of course, opposes those deployments. what role do you see for those troops in your country? and do you think their presence
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increases tensions am. >> well, no, absolutely not. this is a continuation of the deterrence policy. nato is an alliance, defensive alliance. there's plans to do absolutely nothing else but defend and deter russia. and russia's raek was quite predictable. they deployed 150,000 troops to the region, i mean next to ukrainian borders. we as alliance reacted by deployment of 5,000, 6,000 deployment of american troops. this is completely incomparable, of course. it's rather russia behaving aggressively. let's remind crimea and donbas, in 2008 the attack on georgia. it is, unfortunately, russia which is the aggressive partner in this situation. but the old soviet way of
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destructing is still there. they want to destruct us. they want to accuse the west of being aggressive while they are behaving very aggressive. >> thank you so much and really appreciate you joining us, an important voice in all of this. thanks so hutch. >> thank you very much. all right, well a potential russian invasion weighs heavily, of course, on the ukrainian coastal city of mariopol near the front lines of this conflict with russian backed separatists. fighting has ramped up in eastern ukraine in recent days, but of course it's been going on for years, eight years, in fact. thousands have died and the city has suffered a lot of loss. alex marquardt reports on the toll it's taken on the people. >> reporter: the old cemetery stretches across the rolling hills in eastern ukraine.
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in section 21 ukrainian flags whipping in the wind mark the graves of ukrainian troops, mostly young men who have died fighting russian backed forces in the past eight years, an often ignored conflict that's killed more than 14,000 people including more than 3,000 civilians. he was a soldier i now fights with a right-wing nationalist group called right sector. >> translator: putin is a pathetic small man. everyone is ready to tear russians with their hands. >> reporter: he knows over 200 people have been killed. he shows us the graves of one of them, a stone now etched in his memory. in the bitterly cold driving rain roman, a priest, prays at the towering grave of his friend, one of the first from here to die in the fighting. but quiet and understated has two sides, dividing his duties as an army chaplain in his olive green frock, which he sesays is
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his calling, and tending to a congregation in a small mariupol chapel. >> translator: if they ask what's going to happen next we say it's god's will. we prepare for the worst and hope for the best. >> reporter: people who can't go to church ask him to pray for them. he says their names at the alter. among the handful who came this morning is this man who had one thing on his mind. >> translator: we pray for peace above all. thank god it's peaceful right now. we're taking it one day at a time. we'll see what happens next. >> reporter: the people of ukraine have shown extraordinary calm in the face of this russian threat, but it is clearly taking a toll. >> translator: they tell us to remain calm. we would love to live peacefully, to go to work, to raise children and grandchildren. we're worried. how could we not be. >> reporter: that worry only growing after seeing what
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happened right here in east ukraine's donbas region. those incidents the u.s. and ukraine say were faked, staged, the kind of false flag operations that russia could use to justify an invasion of ukraine. this city, this area of great interest to vladimir putin, which he could use to connect russia to crimea which he seized the last time he invaded ukraine. >> do stay with us. we'll have much more after the break. she took new mucinex instasoothe sore throat lozenges. show your sore throat who's boss. new mucinex ininstasoothe. works in seconds, lasts for hours. why burn a candle when you can switch to?
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more on our top story this hour. on friday u.s. president joe biden said for the first time he's convinced that the russian president, vladimir putin, has decided to invade ukraine. >> we have reason to believe the russian forces are planning and intend to attack ukraine in the coming week -- in the coming days. we believe they'll target ukraine's capital kyiv, a city of 2.8 million innocent people. >> now, the u.s. also says russia is already engaging in so-called false flag operations, pointing to this vehicle that was blown up in the eastern ukrainian city. u.s. and ukrainian officials have both warned russia could use false flag operations to create a pretext for russia invade, and we've already seen russian backed separatists in eastern ukraine begin evacuating residents to russia claiming a ukrainian offensive is imminent.
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there is no sign of that, and ukraine has fearfully denied. it the russian foreign ministry says it denies biden's accusation it's intending to invade ukraine. now, the russian public is getting plenty of information and misinformation about what is going on in ukraine. former cnn moskow bureau chief jill dougherty tells us more about the information war already being fought. >> reporter: vivid images on russian tv in almost every newscast showing pictures of people being evacuated from the donbas region in the eastern part of ukraine into russia. women and children saying that they fear that they will be attacked by ukraine. but ukraine saying it has no intention to attack. meanwhile politically president putin met with the president of belarus, mr. lukashenko. and president putin saying there is a way to solve this, that the
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kyiv leaders have to sit down with the leaders of that break away donbas region, that they can discuss political, economic, any other issues, that they can solve it. but kyiv says they have no intention of sitting down with those leaders. and then finally what could be some very vivid images coming on saturday from moskow, and those are strategic military exercises that russia will be holding, and president putin will be supervising in which they will be launching missiles, ballistic and cruise missiles, a good indication, a good symbol that russia is a nuclear super power. and then finally nato countering and saying there is the biggest buildup of military weapons in europe now since the end of the cold war. and echoing comments by president biden saying that an attack could come without
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warning. jill dougherty, moskow. >> now, earlier i spoke to cnn military analyst lieutenant general mark hurtling who explains when he was in iraq in 2003, 2004, he was asked to link up with ukrainian forces in the south, and they were less than stellar in their performance. but he says they have improved marketedly since then. >> we linked up with ukrainian forces, and truthfully they were the most disorganized, dysfunctional, undisciplined and corrupt forces i had ever seen. i drew an initial bias against ukrainian forces. they were terribly led by their generals and their colonels, and it was just a force we could not depend on. they were actually coordinating with some of the enemy in iraq because they were being paid to be there. over the years, though, when i continued to serve in europe we saw the leadership within ukraine attempting to build a more professional force.
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and starting in about the 2008 time frame, they really got serious. there was a colonel general who was the chief of the land forces. and he put a great deal of effort into turning his military into a professional force. but he told me one time when we were having a session the biggest concern he had was the corruption of the senior leaders that had all been trained in the old soviet union. he said once we disavowed those individuals and they left we would have a much stronger army. >> when it comes to intent putin knows well as do you i guess that invading is one thing. holding territory amid a hostile population is quite a another. in that sense what do you think putin is calculating and weighing up as he thinks about invasion. >> he's not calculating very well, michael, from a force perspective standpoint. there's been various studies talking about troop to task relationship.
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that's one of the thing the military does. what are the things soldiers are expected to do on the ground? it's one thing to inraid. it's another thing to hold territory and to be amongst the people and to build a new society. if mr. putin is thinking he's going to achieve regime change through the use of force, he doesn't have enough forces in my view to do that. just as a calculation you're talking the numbers are staggering 190,000 forces around the border. but ukraine is an extremely large country with about 41 million people in its population. in order to control the major cities like kyiv, like karkyiv, some of the other ones, you'd have to have a much larger force trained in more than just combat activity. what i mean is civil affairs, producing government officials, extending the economy. unless mr. putin wants to completely destroy ukraine -- and that may be his intent --
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he's going to need a different kind of force. and they're going to have to stay for a very long time to get ukraine under their influence. >> retired lieutenant general marc hurtling speaking to me earlier. that'll do it from me for now. let's send it back to kim in atlanta. china says at least 2 billion viewers have tuned into the beijing olympics making it the most watched winter games ever. and the competition isn't over yet. american skier mikaela shiffrin has one more medal in the event but been postponed to sunday due to weather conditions. let's go to coy wire live outside of beijing, and i guess that's where we have to start. the weather really wreaking havoc on the competition. >> reporter: yeah, talking gusts of winds from 24 to 28 meters per second. not the safest conditions for that. as you noted the mixed team alpine event is delayed.
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that means mikaela shiffrin, her mission to get a medal in beijing has to wait. the communications director said they knew it wasn't going to go and organizers scrambling to make a decision. it's now going to be sunday morning local time. despite several teams having plans to fly back later tonight. weather impacting men's cross- cross-country skiing. the event was not only pushed back but shortened from 50 kilometers down to 30. now, in the half pike, men's free ski weather just as bad there but gusts of wind were blocked just enough by those massive windshielding tarps. but the competition was on fire. it was the majors proving again they dominated these free ski
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events. taking two of the podium spots. it was nico portius taking home the medal for new zealand, so congrats for the family. and his older brother miguel competing alongside him finished 11th. nico seds he's over the moon in a lifetime memory that will never go away. finally four man bobsled, and jamaica cool runnings, first olympic appearance in 24 years. they're currently in last but it's been a feat just for them to get here and compete. if you ever wonder what it's like to go slageighing.
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>> you're kind of shaking down the track. you're hitting walls. you try not to hit walls but you do, can be a little rough, and at the end of the day it's loud. sounds like a train coming by. >> reporter: i don't know if we can do it. but in third is none other than your tim canada, so there's a chance. i wanted to let you know how cold it was here. within five minutes of me wetting my socks and putting them outside on this balcony, they have frozen stiff as boards, kim, so just to give you a visual of how cold, how windy it is here. >> yeah, not good for you and me my bald brother. simple solution, don't wet your socks and put them outside my man. that is crazy. i hope the weather warms up and especially it the winds i hope they calm down so we can get through all those events. coy wire, appreciate it. and we will be right back.
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all right, now german chancellor olaf scholz is speaking. let's listen. >> translator: at my meeting with president putin on tuesday i made it clear that any further violation of the territorial integrity of ukraine would have a high price for russia and political, economic and strategic terms. and i added at the same time that diplomacy would not fade because of us. as much diplomacy is possible without being naive. that is what we strive for. and we're utilizing all channels of communication to this end. the nato russia counsel which
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has met again for the first time again in years. the oec where conflict prevention can be discussed with all europeans, russians and americans. poland as the current chair has made suggestions in this regard. and we're utilizing the normandy format. it remains crucial for the resolution of the ukraine conflict. during my visits to kyiv and moskow both sides have emphasized to implement the minsk agreements and i'm thoughtful to president zelensky to his commitment to make progress with the necessary laws and to discuss these. of course i'm not under any illusions. we cannot expect to see progress overnight, however, we can only stop this crisis in its tracks
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if we negotiate. for what is at stake, after all, is nothing less than peace in europe. ladies and gentlemen, all of this has to be accompanied by a repositioning of europe and the transatlantic alliance in the changed world. strategy processes within the european union nato, therefore, hold special significance. and i'd like to mention four more fundamental considerations here today. firstly, we will develop a broader understanding of security. the nsc has always been a crimean disrespect. it's come to address the risk of climate change, global health crises and new technologies as a matter of course. but for this broad understanding to emerge it is essential for the european union and nato to complement and reinforce one another, to prepare themselves
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to face new risks. ultimately a cyber tawic remains a cyber attack regardless of whether it is directed from st. petersburg. i think we fear, however, that taking new threats like these into account is something different than laying claim to globally active nato. indeed, the developments of -- >> we're listening in there to german chancellor olaf scholz speaking at the munich security conference. he warned any military action will have a high price for russia and that if diplomacy fails it won't be the fault of the western nations who are trying their best to achieve peace through diplomacy. alall right, we'll be right bac. kills 99.9% ofof bacteria detergent alone, can't.
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oh, he's down. fair play, mate. >> we can hear the dramatic commentary on friday coming from jerry dyer on his youtube channel. planes struggling to land at heath row airport brought on by stormy winds on friday. parts of the u.k. in northwest europe trying to recover from what's being called one of the worst storms in decades. uprooted trees and ripped off rooftops. millions in the u.s. are still under wind alerts today in the wake of thursday's winter storm. kansas city saw record breaking snowfall. road crews worked overnight into friday to clear enough snow to make the city passable. in wisconsin major roads still closed this morning as crews clear a multi-vehicle pileup from friday afternoon. officials blame the severe winter driving conditions. and the minnesota arctic blast
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is coming in today that could bring a major storm later in the week. all right, joining me now is meteorologist derek van dam. so we've been tracking that storm system throughout the week. just tell us what's been happening and what we can expect in the coming days. >> yeah, it's been a difficult day or two days i should say of winter across the eastern u.s. and i want to take you just outside -- just outside of chicago. this is an area that is notoriously bad for road conditions especially when we get these types of weather systems that pass through. unfortunately, on interstate 55 southwest of chicago there was a 50-car pileup. this was one of two 50-car pileups that occurred across the state of illinois on friday thank tuesday the wintery weather that passed through the region. we have a few different weather systems still impacting the area. roads are slick. take it easy out there. just wanted to show you the current snow cover that's blanketed the northeast and
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portions of of the great lakes and midwest. and this is all from the recent snowstorm that allowed for that snow to fall. in fact, we had nearly a foot of snow in kansas in some locations. there are still winter storm warnings, weather advisories and blizzard warnings just downwind from the lake superior region. we're really starting to kick in that lake enhanced snow machine all too familiar this time of for so many people including myself. you can see the latest radar showing some of that snow moving through as a clipper pierces the region. we have over 50-mile per hour gusts today. that's how many people impacted by this wind alert in place. this is the clipper system. it's not going to produce much in terms of snowfall for the big cities, but you can see a few flakes fly later from boston, philadelphia, d.c.
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won't accumulate much. in fact your ground has warmed up considerably for the past two days or so so we've melted a lot of snow on the ground in boston. nonetheless you can see the snow forecast picks up in intensity downwind from lake ontario and lake erie. and the arctic blast is starting to settle in behind our next approaching cold front and going to set the stage for a very busy, very active winter week ahead for the u.s. >> derek van dam, appreciate it. that wraps this hour of "cnn newsroom." i'm kim brunhuber, and i'll be back in just a moment with more news. please do stay with us. migraine attacks?
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