a political earthquake in san francisco. i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. the headlines tell a similar tale, but do they tell the full story? what's been reported is a canary in a coal mine. a local election seen as a

harbinger of looming defeat in the elections. "the washington post," quote, in san francisco, the latest battle over democrats over how far left the party should move came to a resounding conclusion as voters this week fired three school board members who veered too close to the edge, even in a city that is a bastion of liberal activism. then there was michael bloomberg who tweeted the san francisco school board recall to be a wake-up call. parents are fed up with the idea that puts adults ahead of kids and idea yoolg ahead . and "the wall street journal" this is what peggy noonan had to say, joe biden received 85% of the vote in san francisco, in 2020. those board members just lost their seats by more than 70%. a cultural rebellion within the democratic party has begun. what we know for sure is that in

america's most progressive city, there was an unique recall election that resulted in three school board members losing their jobs. and, by the way, in a moment, you're going to meet the couple who started it all. fed up with covid school closures, votes decisively ousted three of the board's members with 72 and fine% of the vote. three issues drove the campaign against the board members. one, the board attempted to rename 44 schools to rename any commitly incorrect honorees, morning them george washington, abraham lincoln and dianne feinstein. two, the board sought to replace a merit-based system for a high school. replacing it with a lottery seeking the student body more reflective of its district. and three, while working hard on numbers one and two, the board kept schools closed for 18 months during the pandemic, ex pressing little concern about

the harm this did to students' educations. the recall raised $2 million. some from conservative sources while the defense of the board members raised only 86,000. even the city's mayor, london breed, a democrat had endorsed the recall calling the board's priorities, quote, severely misplaced. but the hometown newspaper, the "san francisco chronicle" cautions outside observers as to what really went down. they say it's easy to drool over the story line that the most progressive city in america just ousted three progressive school board members but disagreements in politics had little to do with parents' decision to push for the first recall in 39 years. many in fact, agreed with the broader goals of three ousted board members. there were disputes over methodology but used be hard-pressed to find a recall supporter who didn't speak openly about wanting to close the racial achievement acts in

academic performance. here's what governor newsom said just last night. >> i think we can overread this from a national prism. it's a very familiar story, west side, east side, very familiar tenets that i think one should be cautious in terms of overreading. >> joining me now, the couple who started the movement. they have kids in the district and his partner, who are key to getting the recall on the ballot. autumn, you're not exactly san francisco paws. you're newcomers to the community? >> that's right, we moved to the area december 2020. >> and decided nonetheless to get involved in this issue, awe tom, why? >> well, in our family, we have kids in two different school districts when we saw the difference between my kids' experience and his kids' experience with his high

schooler did not go back to school all year long. it was just frustrating, it was un unfair. >> shiva, i know you both paid close attention to the way the board was handling it. what was it that you saw? >> i think the key issue was that the school was supposed to reopen in 2021. and i see on the bottom, a bullet that says middle and high school kids will not go back to school this year. that's essentially what happened. i would log into these zoom hours and these were would go on nine hours. i was waiting at seven hours. and to midnight, right. they quickly realized clearly they had not had the intent or not done the work for reopening. the testing infrastructure was not in place.

the mau with the teachers union was not signed. all of that work that should have been done from the summer to fall had not been end. >> so, in the end was it about ideology or incompetence? >> it was about incompetence. everyone in san francisco, wants to close the opportunity gap. and the problem was that this work wasn't being done in -- at the right time. you know, the house was on fire, and they were busy changing the name above the door. it's like, hey, we got to take care of the fire first. then we'll do the renaming. we all want to do renaming, just not now. >> actually it was an educational gap and ultimately existence we saw kids from disadvantaged backgrounds actually fall the farthest behind. >> i know, siva, with regard to your son, for example, saw awe

significant change in terms of what was going on in with autumn's children in a neighboring school district and the ongoing lack of interest, i guess i would say. you tell it better, because i only know from what i read afar, but in your own house, you said hey this is not working? >> yeah. and in 2020, my older guy who used to be an honor student basically fell behind because of his grades. he was also borderline depressed. that, for me, was the biggest concern. a lot of kids who were having mental issues. with admissions, for example, you know, as the pandemic extended, right. and tuning in, not getting out of bed, et cetera. for me, trying to get him back to an in-person learning experience was important. and the school district did not prioritize that. and i think the real challenge here was totally disconnected

from what we were seeing on the ground, the struggling we were seeing in our own homes with our kids and the school districts even at college that this was a problem, to act on it. the other school districts, they had similar challenges, similar funding and managed to get their act together, except for san francisco. >> autumn, what do you make of the national coverage? you nerd he summarize some of it. believe me, i could have gone on and on and on with other examples in terms of what everyone wants to read. but here you are, the two organizers who started the movement that led to the recall. what's the message? >> the message is you got to do your jobs. because the best social justice -- good education is the best social justice. >> i think, what happened, throughout this, we've collected 8,000 people, we've spoken to so many thousands of others while canvassing. the single dominant message we

heard from people on the streets of san francisco, we expect to put the children first. the only reality that matters is the one that making the biggest impact on their education outcomes. >> because that changes people's lives. >> especially in an incredibly diverse school district which is what san francisco is, you need to elect leaders that can actually bring us together. >> and it shouldn't be too hard because we all want the same thing. we all want excellent neighborhood schools. >> there's one common thread that everybody wants is they want the best for their kids, have a good education and therefore build a successful life. it's not too difficult to, you know, solve for that problem. >> i think that you're both the embodiment of all politics being local. final question, what's next? because i know that only three of the board members were able to be subject to a recall. given their length of tenure. do you intend to move forward with regard to the other four or

any other political issue, or are you done? >> right now, our first priority is to get good candidates in place to replace the folks recalled. after that, i want to get back to the community and find out what they need to do. >> we have many thousands members the community, almost 10,000 people. every key decision we make, we make with them. we go back and ask them if they have ideas about the candidates, and offer them to the mayor. and then the next question, do you want to put anybody else on the recall. >> siva, autumn, thank you for getting up with us. we appreciate it. good luck with your kids. >> thank you. >> thanks for having us. >> tweet me at my smerconish page. from the world of twitter, it appears san francisco democrats solved the problem. they should not be renaming schools, et cetera, members of their own party did something about it. jane ann, i think it's more

complicated from that what i'm taking away from siva and from autumn, they agree with that issue, right, the renaming issue which doesn't make sense to me in many respects but that's okay. but that's not what this is about, it's about prioritization, or as my parents would have said, time and place. the time and place for a conversation about renaming schools is after the paendemic. that's me trying to read in what they had to say. i love what they had to say, indeed all politics are local. and yet so many of us want to read in the lesson of san fran. up ahead, this week, hillary clinton gave a rousing speech to new york democrats. is she ready to get back in the ring? i will ask democratic doug shown who was greeted with a healthy dose of skepticism when he presented this. for and this tom cruise and

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well, after clinton came on stage in new york thursday to the song "unstoppable" and delivered a speech to the state's democrats the prediction looks prescient. the statement says, hillary clinton looked like a presidential candidate thursday. that mentioned donald trump, january 6th and fox news more times than governor kathy hochul whom he was there to endorse. >> we can't get distracted by the latest culture or some new right wing lie on fox or facebook. by the way, they've been coming after me again lately, in case you might have noticed. it's funny the more trouble trump gets into the wilder the charges and conspiracy theorys about me seem to get. >> joining me now is douglas

shown, a democratic pollster. he was the co-author of the book "unite america, unite or die." doug, you and andrew stein, quote, the democratic party is making a once infathomable scenario impossible. a political come back for hillary clinton in 2024. is this what you had in mind? >> it's exactly what i had in mind. this is a relaunch of secretary clinton. this is a partisan stemwinder, she did not feel with any of the allegations that stemmed from the interim report from the derm report. and she attacked donald trump, she attacked the republicans and she attacked fox news. >> is there any other reason she'd be in that venue? i guess one would say, she loves her country.

she's unhappy with the climate, she want to be heard. but instead you read more into this? >> yeah, i don't think she would have shown up to endorse governor kathy hochul, if she did not have more broader and grand ambitions. moreover, it was a speech, michael, that was much broader than about new york politics. indeed, it was a speech about the republican party and the corruption of donald trump that she strived being responsible for the attacks on her. so indeed, she's setting up the 2024 election. to your wipoint, let's watch mo. >> sure. >> so, now, his accountants have fired him. and the investigation is brought closer to him. and right on to the noise machine gets turned up, doesn't

it? fox leads the charge with accusations against me counting on their audience to fall for it again. and as an aside, they're getting awfully close to actual malice. >> but, doug, if she runs, it means that joe biden is not seeking re-election, right? she's not going to run against joe biden. and if joe biden doesn't seek re-election, let's be real, it's because of his age. will the democratic party look to someone who herself would be 77 years old? >> well, i think, given the fact that the biden administration is increasingly unpopular, vice president kamala harris is even more unpopular than the sitting president. and i think we're looking at a potential blowout for the democrats, or against the democrats in the midterm elections, i think the party will look for somebody new and different. and as i look at the democrats

front end and back end, the only candidate they have, notwithstanding her age is former secretary of state and new york senator hillary clinton. >> if it's not biden and kamala harris wants it and i presume she does, i imagine there would be a lot of pressure brought to bear on other presidential candidates on the grounds that they stand the risk of denying america's first female. and female of color who could be president. but maybe hillary clinton gets a pass from that. in other words, i think it's hard for elizabeth warren. i think it's hard for amy klobuchar to step out in opposition to kamala harris if that's the way it unfolds. but maybe not for hillary. >> well, i would agree with that. i think secretary clinton has a strong record as a champion of women's rights. certainly, a champion of the interest of people of color. and i think secretary clinton, who has the ability to raise

literally a billion dollars and be a credible candidate i think and make the allegation. which i think is increasingly believable that the 2016 election for a variety of reasons was effectively stolen from her. whether it be by jim thome's late announcement about the email and other factor. i think by all accounts it achieved what she was seeking to do. >> the final subject, earlier this week on fox, it was all abdurham, durham, durham. i noted when she laid down the marker in that speech on thursday, all of a sudden, kaput with all of the conversations abdurham. you know the clintons, even though you're not speaking for them and has nothing to do with the plans as articulated. when she hears abdout durham,

does she says, oh, my god, who needs it. i'll stick around and chat with bill. or does it invigorate her? >> michael, it invigorates her. every single moment that she thinks about politics, which she does a lot of the time, she feels she should be president and do a better job than anyone else in the office since and she was a victim of unfairness in 2016. bill clinton feels the same way, he said there's no more qualified candidate for president, including himself than hillary. i think they are plotting to return to the oval office. and i believe that she has the best possible campaign strategist and the former president and she is -- your word is defiant -- she is motivated and mobilized for another chance. >> i am smiling just imagining what that contest could look

like, holy smokes. so far, so far, you seem prescient. douglas schone, thank you so much. >> thank you, michael. >> let's see in facebook, twitter, all of the above. what do we have? i love you michael, stop trying to make this sound plausible, it ain't gonna happen. really? what is more plausible. mark halpern said on my radio show this week, the most plausible for today, 2024 is a rematch for 2016. is there anything more plausible than hillary versus the donald? i can't think of something more plausible. one more from social media. if we have time. as a democrat, i feel hillary rodham clinton's has come and gone.

she would have been a great president. i think it's time to bring in some new younger leaders, who? that's the issue. when you say who else is there, when we get down to the brass tacks of the way we run nomination fights in this country, if she wants it, that nomination, i think, could not be denied her. as of today, as of today, with regard to trump, you have to say the same thing. say what you will be him, say what you will about her? could anyone deny them if they decided this is what we want to do? my answer, no. >> up ahead, people find computer generated deepfake faces more trusting than the real thing. that is the finding of a study that surprised the scientist who did it. and a san francisco woman was charged with a crime based on a dna sample law enforcement got years earlier when she was sexually assaulted. the city's dna dropped the charges and he's here to explain. remember, i want to know what you think.

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consent forms make no mention of the possibility of the dna being used in this manner. now, the san francisco police department is reviewing its dna collection practices and policies, chief william scott said in a statement if it's true that dna collected from a rape or sexual assault victim has been used by the sfpd has been used to apprehend a suspect in another crime, i'm committed to ending the practice. we must never create disincentives for crime victims to cooperate with the police. this week, the district attorney said the charges are being dropped. joining me now, san francisco d.a. chesa boudin, thank you for coming on so early. >> i was outraged. the critical issue is victim safety and eliminating barriers to survivors of sexual assault

coming forward and cooperating. we know that rape and sexual assault are among the most serious and least reported crimes that my office deals with. our priority is public safety and supporting victims and holding those who harm them accountable. and to do that effectively, we need survivors to trust us. we need them to trust police. and when we learned that the san francisco police department had used a victim's dna, without their consent, in ways that violate the california constitution's victims bill of rights known as marcy's law, likely violated the fourth amendment of the united states constitution. we were outraged because of the disincentive that this could create for future survivors of serious crime to cooperate. we need them to trust law enforcement. we need them to know we have their back. that we will protect them, that we believe them, that we will stand with them. and here sadly, the san francisco police department

crime lab, as we believe many labs around the country are doing, treated this survivor who had the courage to come forward to submit her body to poking and prodding in examination, after the most horrific violation that any of us can imagine, they treated her as a piece of evidence rather than a human being. it's unacceptable and it will not be allowed to continue on my watch, that's why we partnered -- >> do you know -- >> sure. >> do you know, has anyone been convicted using dna obtained in this fashion in san francisco? >> the short answer is likely, yes, but we don't know. because most of the police reports from the crime lab that we get are extremely opaque. we only discovered this particular issue, as i said, late last week, due to the crime lab report that made an opaque reference to a 2016 sample. we happened to look up that 2016

incident report number and see that it was a sexual assault case. we don't know how many thousands of other cases have involved tests or, potentially, as you say, charges and convictions, against a survive of a sexual assault. i'm very concerned -- >> mr. d.a., does it matter to you what the crime is -- in other words, this is like a law school hypothetical. sadly. i agree with you in the case of a woman who reports a rape and then later is suspected in a property crime, you don't use the dna that was collected. but what if she was connected to a murder? or here's another one -- what if it's not her, what if it's her brother. which all of a sudden, you have dna and you connect it to a family member of hers and it's a very serious personal crime, what then? >> law school problems are fun, unfortunately, this is a very real situation. it's not hypothetical. we know that other crime labs around the state and country are storing the dna of survivors of

sexual assault without their permission. and the reason why -- look, thankfully, this wasn't a more serious crime. but the reason we need clear laws. the reason we're working with state scott wiener and to make crystal clear that this practices are unacceptable and illegal and prohibited is because we cannot be in a situation, as you posit, where there's a murder case that is tainted by unlawful law enforcement searches. let's be really clear, the fourth amendment to the u.s. constitution, marcy's law, california's victims bill of rights don't distinguish between property crimes and murders. they provide guarantees that apply to all sections of crime. and they prohibit using dna beyond the scope of contenconte. and there's good reason for that legal prohibition. in this case -- >> quick final question.

i think you're telling me that you believe san francisco is not an outlier. but you believe this is taking place in other police departments across the country? did i hear you correctly? >> that's right. we know it's happened in bristol, massachusetts. there's an online legislative report about the problems in their d.a.'s office with this kind of a database. and i have spoken to my counterpart district attorneys around the state, around the country, and they're outraged by this practice in san francisco. and many of them have confirmed that their local labs maintained a similar database that they unlawfully keep for years indefinitely the dna of survivors of sexual assault who never consented to have the dna stored indefinitely. >> fascinating issue. chesa boudin, thank you for being here. now you know why i'm asking the following, go to smerconish.com and ask your ballot, should the

dna of a women's rape kit later be used to identify her as a suspect in another crime? his answer is clearly no, his answer is hell no. if her dna links her to a property crime, i think we all agree you're not going to do that, what if it's serious? let your mind create the hypothetical -- not that a property crime isn't serious, but what if it's murder, then you've got dna that links her. then it gets dicey. go vote at my website. still to come, seeing is disbelieving. the rise of deepfake technology now so sophisticated. they're more convincing than the real deal. we'll talk about the political implications of letting this technology go unchecked. s moist. i bring the dove beauty bar home because it not only y cleans, it hydrates my skin. i see whwhat it does for my patients and it's exactly what i want to do for my family.

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digitally altered to make it look like him. kind of funny, right? but also scary how believable it is. how many more like them are proliferating every day. these questions are provoked by a new study that suggests today's technology has gotten so good it's capable of creating things indistinguishable from reality. even more believable. from the national academy of sciences usa. and it suggests that people are easily fooled by faces that are machine generated finding them more trustworthy than actual faces. and as noted, the potential weaponization in disinformation campaigns for political or other gain. the creation of false porn for blackmail. and any other manipulations of forms of abuse and fraud. in a world where anything can be fake, you can deny it as manufactured even if legitimately captured on video.

real fake news. here's a visual example of how the technology works using president trump's face to generate a computer simulation. and here's a deepfake made by the guys from "south park" after the 2020 election reportedly showing the voted out president reading an unhappy christmas children's book. >> people started -- they started cheating the numbers. 300,000 and that's me. >> here to discuss is sam gregory program director for witness which helps people use video and technology to protect human rights. sam, is there always a way that someone with expertise and tools and technology can figure out if it's real or it's fake? >> i'd say there's usually a way right now that experts can look at a deepfake and they can spot some of the signs that it's been

generated. or they can look and try to understand while this is not plausible physically in terms of the context it's in. but the problem is, it's getting harder. and it's also harder when we encounter the type of video that we share. in low resolution. that maybes it harder. so the progress is in the wrong direction. >> putting this in human rights context which worries you more that someone makes a real deepfake video, or now that there's such mistrust generated that people look at real things, and they say, well, i can't tell if that's real or not? >> at the moment, i've spent the last four years talking to activists and journalist it's around the world. the biggest worry tends to be it's just got so much easier to claim something's false, right? it just takes one sentence to say, hey, there are deepfakes out there, what you call the liar's dividend.

you can't believe that video. when you talk to activists and they say i've uncovered corruption or human rights abuse and the response we're starting to hear, well that could be a deepfake, right? we can't believe things that we find. and that puts the pressure on the people who have the least capacity to do that, because, you know, most journalists, most people around the world, 99.99% of your viewers wouldn't know how to distinguish a deepfake and know how to counter that claim. >> i couldn't tell the tom cruise that we showed. i had no idea that was a fake tom cruise. what's more advanced if that's the right word, the video or the audio? because i thought that trump looked convincing but didn't sound convincing. >> yeah, audio is getting better fast. video is getting better.

that tom cruise, that took work. there are not people who can do that, we're not surrounded by every celebrity, every type of person in that deepfake. i think one thing that's got be well to do, fake photos. fake photos that make it very easy to create a fictional person. or do something, create an image of something that never existed. so audio is getting better. video is getting better. fake photos really good at this point. >> sam, this is unfair to you because i only have a minute left. what do we do about it? >> so, we can put the blame on people trying to spot them. i spent a decade trying to distinguish these photos and they can't tell. make sure you try to understand who shared this, where it came from, try and trace the source. and we have invest in the pipeline of how we make these things easier. it's far easier to spot a

deepfake if someone left traces in, the technique used to acquire to leave a trace later on. we've got to go back down the pipeline and not place the pressure on us encountering this in instagram or try to work it out. >> i really appreciate you flags this and putting it on our radar screen. it's a real serious subject that deserves further attention. thank you, sam. >> thank you, michael. >> checking in on your tweets and facebook comments from the world of twitter. what do we have. people have always mistaken depiction of movies in real life. i wouldn't worry too much? really? having seen what i have seen. the tom cruise, could you tell that was a fake tom cruise, not a look-alike. that's not what we're talking about. look at that. that's not tom cruise, are you blanking me? then again, they had to tell me it was paris hilton who was with him. what do i know? still to come some of your

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the survey says -- well, interesting. it's a 60/40 essentially. i'm surprised by that. now they tell me more have voted on that. i thought that the d.a. ch chch chesa boudin, i have to go back and read the transcript, i think he said likely yes, others have been prosecuted for this. dna should be taken from every baby born, crime would drop precipitously in one generation. eric, crime may drop in one generation, but what other sacrifice of your privacy would then follow from that? do the cost/benefit analysis. do you think crime dropping would be worth what you are giving up? i'm not so sure.

what else do we have? past crime, yes. future crime, absolutely no. well, how come? why does it matter whether you're talking about the past or in the future? i don't see that distinguishing. here's what i think. i think that maybe you treat a sexual assault different than any other crime. here's a question i continue to have about francis. do we have one database or two? there ought to be a dna database for the sexual assault related crime, then a separate one for everything else. if they don't have that, a big mistake. as i soldier, i have gave dna for one purpose f it should not be used for any other purpose. what a fascinating issue.

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