efforts, go to cnn.com/impact. this is cnn breaking news. >> hello and welcome to our viewers joining us from all-around the world, coming to you live from ukraine, i am michael holmes on a snowy morning here. bitter fighting continues for a fifth day. the delegations will meet ukraine's border with belarus, which, of course, is a key russian ally. ukraine's president having little hope the conflict will

soon be resolved. >> i emphasize without any conditions. i will say this frankly, as always i don't believe in the result of this meeting, but let them try so that later on no citizen of ukraine would have any doubt that i, the president, did not try to stop the war when i had a chance, small as it was. >> so far ukrainian forces have managed to defend the capital kyiv despite being outgunned and outmanned. we have video to show you released by ukraine's armed forces. it shows a drone attack on armed forces, and this is outside the capital of kyiv, and russian forces continue to press forward. new satellite shows a russian convoy on a roadway that leads

to kyiv. to the south russian forces have taken control of a townhome to a small navel base, according to the town's mayor. we have also seen intense fighting in and around ukraine's second largest city, kharkiv, where ukrainian forces managed to propel an advance on a russian airfield. on monday, putin put russia's deterrent forces including its nuclear arms on high alert. >> translator: top officials in leading nato countries allowed themselves to make aggressive comments about our country therefore i order the minister of defense to place the russian deterrence force to be on alert.

>> but he's facing pushback from the russian people, or at least some of them. nearly 6,000 have been detained so far as anti-war protests continue across russia. moscow also facing condemnation from many global leaders, of course, with severe sanctions and pledging more weapons and military gear, and the private sector jump into the fray, bp announcing its offloading its stake in the russian oil plume. this is what it has been like for the people living there through this conflict. >> battles are happening outside in many ukrainian towns at the mow many, and we visited one of them to see the determination and heroism, and also to understand what on earth

moscow's forces are trying to do fighting their way into densely populated areas. the bridge here has not been raised as long as they can remember, but neither has the sleepy port town of mykolaiv been >> soldiers are edgy. the fear here, russian sabotagers thrown to the ground. then the sirens go off and it's back in the basement for mothers and kids. here the noise of what russia would do to these towns in the name of sub tau investigation and geopolitical gain.

life persisting, caught between hoping this is short-lived and wondering if it may go on forever. behind it all in empty streets, the fear they may be overrun and either each huge blasts would be the decisive strike that would let putin's troops enter. the shelling just went on and on. the next morning we saw where it hit. it's likely a missile that tore up these ukrainian tanks, but nobody left. >> how do you feel? >> good. >> they try to come into the town? he's saying the russians tried to come in last night but the

town of mykolaiv beat them. you see what that looks like here. i am asking how do you feel living here looking at all this? look at the windows that are blown out. he's repeating it back to me, look at this, they say they are not hitting civilian infrastructure, look at the damage around here. >> putin's rockets may have shattered glass but not dented the anger here, as they take stock you have to ask yourself why moscow ever thought these towns would gladly be occupied and what russia's end goal is. tempers here, and blood has been

spilled but despite russia's overwhelming firepower, they did not pass. come sunday night we heard from the mayor of that town on a telegram channel telling people to organize the circular defense of the town and to get molotov cocktails looking to face another onslaught, and you can see in that report how serious they are about defending their own homes. >> the united states says vladimir putin is using dangerous rhetoric by using russia's nuclear deterrent on high alert and u.s. lawmakers say he knows what the response would be if he, indeed, used those nuclear weapons. >> putin trying to rattle us. that's psychological. deterrence works. he knows perfectly well if he were to do anything with nuclear weapons it would be the end of his country and him personally. >> we stand by the ready when it comes to our nuclear defenses but i think we handled it right

and that's to continue the focus in supporting the people of ukraine. i think vladimir putin thought he was going to march into this country and that they were going to those rose pedals at him and ins instead it was molotov cocktails. >> for more on the reaction of today's development, let's go to jasmine live. >> yeah, that's right. while u.s. officials have had tough words for putin, the white house appears to be trying at least in some part to de-escalate, instead of really matching putin's rhetoric, michael, they instead said putin's threats are part of a wider pattern of unprovoked escalation and manufactured threats. i think the white house press secretary, jen psaki, summed up the white house's stance here today pretty well in the abc interview. take a listen. >> this is a pattern we have

seen of vladimir putin through the course of this conflict, which is manufacturing threats that don't exist in order to justify further aggression, and the global community and the american people should look at it through that prism. >> now those comments from jen psaki, which are reflected in other administration officials speaking out today, it comes about after the second time in a week vladimir putin referenced his nuclear arsenal, and threatening the use of the nuclear capabilities, and there's a unified response from allies including canada in their condemnation of russia and the strict sanctions that the u.s. along with their partners rolled out in waves trying to respond proportionately to russia's aggression. this will be a topic of discussion for president biden when he talks to allies and

partners at the white house in the situation room tomorrow when he returns back from wilmington, delaware, michael. >> jasmine wright there in washington, d.c. thank you so much. if russia prevails in the war and does take over, there's a lot of speculation that ukraine is not going to lay down and take that and the ukrainians will rise up and there will be a guerilla war and insurgency. douglas london is a retired operations agent with the cia, and an author "spying and the lost art of american intelligence." he joins me from virginia. if putin overthrows the ukrainian government militarily, how likely do you think there would be an insurgency and how effective might it be?

>> an insurgency is likely to occur, and that it's clear that the u.s. military has openly been providing support as well as other western nations, but i am confident the cia has been providing support to its counterparts, and they have had a lot of time to prepare with what they are going to do. >> you pointed this out in a fascinating piece in foreign affairs, on the flip side i guess mr. putin experts such a thing and has his own counter plan. how messy could it be were it to happen? >> insurgencies are supposed to seize the narrative and undermine the political support at home. dictator or not, putin still responds to what is going on

domestically and one of his greatest concerns is a grassroots opposition at home. i think the idea would be to send video and carnage and such that russians were so connected internationally, despite what he might do to the internet, they are going to see. ukrainians have a long border with several nato countries to get supplies, and if the russians collapse kyiv and kharkiv, would they go to the west and secure that territory? would that be a stretch for them if that insurgencies take time to build momentum, and it would not be revealed at the outset how effective, but over time it would zap the will and might of the military and start changing opinions back home that he might have to respond to. >> you mentioned the borders. that's interesting. if they were in an insurgency, what are the chances it bleeds

across borders, including putin's own, perhaps? >> there's the means and the opportunity to do so. i am certain it's on the self has a plan. i think belarus might be the first victim of this because they are right on the border with poland and lithuania and they have been a direct ally and accomplice in exacting the military tact on ukraine, and it might start there. clearly there's a lot of ukrainians in russia, and a lot of american allies across eastern european npartners, andi think there's a possibility that he could face an increased acceleration of challenges that could in his own homeland. >> do you think vladimir putin

miscalculated, and i mean the world's response but the performance of the ukrainian military as well, and do you think he thought they could invade and in a few days it would be over? >> i think it's evident he miscalculated. i am hopeful ukrainians can continue with the resistance, and not that putin would have expected to be welcomed as liberators, and the ukrainians have had eight years of just focus on their contempt and hatred for russia and for the invasion of the east and annexation, and he created a lot of this on his own by his moves eight years ago, which i think had sewed over time seeds that are maturing that he did not calculate for and did not expect

it to be this hard of a battle. i expect he thought he could preempt the early stages of the insurgency, and we have seen early reporting on security personalities he wanted to assassinate or arrest who he thought might participate or lead in an insurgency, and perhaps he got bad information or perhaps the isolation over the past two years during the pandemic impacted his thinking, and it seems his end game isn't working. >> your comments there about his mentality is interesting. i wanted to ask you about that anyway. a lot of people said he's become more isolated during covid and perhaps lost touch with reality and become paranoid, perhaps. your observation about how he addressed the people, there's anger in a lot of what he says.

do you think this could have clouded his judgment in a kremlin where nobody dares to say no to him? >> when a leader insulates himself where his -- i can't judge from here whether it's paranoid and he's having, you know, such a mental disposition as it is simply good information and he could be calculating what his advisers are going to tell him, and if they tell him what he wants to hear, then he's not getting the best information to make these decisions. >> yeah, his security council was meeting a week ago and they were terrified of him.

great to speak with you. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me on the program. the humanitarian crisis. that is becoming more dire as ukrainians try to escape the fighting. just ahead, what eu leaders are saying about possibly taking in millions of refugees. we'll be right back.

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authoritarian leader who i would not want to be the leader of my country, and besides, i am deeply ashamed of the leader of my country. i really wished we could get rid of him earlier before he started a war in europe. >> according to the united nations, at least 368,000 people have fled ukraine to neighboring countries and they are predictions that perhaps million more willfully the country in the days ahead. leaders in the european union are already considering what to do with refugees likely headed to eu states. >> i am really impressed of the strong solidarity that eu citizens are showing towards the ukrainians coming. >> do you have any estimations on how many refugees might be in the future? >> no, but i think we need to

prepare for millions. >> people fleeing the violence in ukraine are threatened by more than just bombs and bullets, of course. the journey can be arduous. the freezing temperatures brutal. arwa damon is at a border crossing as thousands pour across in hopes of reaching safety. >> reporter: you know, it's extraordinary because every single person that you talk to, and i think this is important to remember, has their own unique -- to a certain degree -- experience of what it was like to say good-bye to those they loved as they left them behind. it's not just that. we are at a reception center and by the time the vast majority of the families get here and you have new arrivals over in this direction, the vast majority of them would have gone through days on the road. i am talking about 36 to 48

hours, walking and waiting out in the cold. the stories we're hearing about these overnights in these freezing temperatures with no food, no water, no bathroom, with little children. as they get closer to the actual border crossing from the shear panic and the emotional agony of it all, it ends up largely being a free for all with people just trying to push through just to cross over to the other side. now, once they actually get here they are met at these various different makeshift reception areas cropped by family members, by friends, and then you also have this army of volunteers that right now is behind a police line because there are so many of them. as they buses pull up, they will hold up signs advertising locations that people who are arriving can get free rides to, locations where they can stay

for free so you do have this big sense of community once you actually hit this side, but none of that makes their experience any less agonizing. we have met sisters, two sisters that left their father behind. we have met wives who are now trying to cope with all of the children who left their husbands behind. some of whom have told their children, don't worry, daddy is going to be coming not knowing if they were lying to their kids or maybe, they hope, telling the truth. you see these parents trying to be strong and trying to be heroes for their children, doing all they can to mask their own fears and everything that they are going through. earlier today, i told the story of one family we met. they were actually from afghanistan. they fled afghanistan in may and ended up getting asylum in

ukraine and now they had to flee again and their trauma, their agony, their fear, they know what this is. we have met families from ukraine who have already been displaced more than once. a mother who was from the region, she fled in 2014 to find herself having to flee again. what is happening on the other side, the difficulty of just getting to safety, that is something that has to be addressed. there has to be more organization there because the temperatures are dropping, and we're expecting rain, snow and waiting outside the way they have been having to wait until now is just going to be incredibly dangerous as well. >> that was cnn's arwa damon at

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kharkiv where the forces were propelled. they are talking about strengthening ukraine's defense capabilities. >> for the first time ever the european union will finance and deliver weapons. this is a watershed moment. >> in the hours ahead, the u.n. general assembly will hold an emergency session on the crisis. the german chancellor said the international response will have a significant impact. >> very soon the russian leadership will feel what a high price they will have to pay. the stock market in russia has come down by 30%. this shows our sanctions worked.

>> with diplomatic efforts ongoing, we are learning more about the military situation on the ground. the latest satellite images show a russian military column headed for kyiv. >> ukraine's capital is bracing for the worst, checkpoints with armed forces, sandbags stacked in front of the mayor's office in central kyiv. there are no russian forces in kyiv right now according to the mayor, but there have been battles against them and the mayor says the large groups of rus rus russian sub aturz. >> the streets are deserted. it was here eight years ago that ukrainian citizens rose up against a pro russian government and a pro russian president and ousted him, and that's something

that president putin has complained about for years. now his own forces are descending on the city, encircling it in order to try and topple this government and replace the president with a puppet that would answer to president putin. now four days into this russian invasion, there's mounting evidence of russia's attempt to encircle the city, plumes of smoke marking the areas of the most intense fighting. living in the city for these days is not for the fainthearted. while we were out right you on cue, another deep boom disturbs the silence. the art eries are also descending.

optimism has grown with the russian's inability to take any real control here, but everybody knows it's far too soon for any confidence. cnn, kyiv. >> meanwhile, one english teacher joining me now from western ukraine, and it's a sign of the tensions where we are only using christina's first name. th thanks for being with us. what made you start helping people want to go leave. >> good morning. the story starts with my husband. he was going to the gas station to fuel the car and he saw people coming to him coming and asking for help, where can we

stay and we are on the road for 20, 30 hours. of course he respond for that. that was actually the way when he felt we are staying here and we're helping people to get through that way. they were going, like, 30 miles on the roads, lots of cars and they were so tired and they were cold and hungry, and the hotels were full of people so he just left his phone on the hotel and everybody started calling, like 40 calls per hour. also lots of friends joined to help people, our friends, so we organized with a place where it was the store where they organized, they bring all the stuff, mattresses where people

can just leave and rest, and also bring people to our homes and friends' homes. >> yeah. you brought people to your own home. what did you do for them? >> so what exactly did we do? we just gave them rest. we provide their needs. our friends from actually kyiv came and they were coming here for 20 hours and they are just leaving right now with us because the situation there is danger -- in danger. >> it must be terrible for these people. what do they tell you about why they are fleeing? how frightened are people about what's going on? >> most are frightened children. the youngest was one years old.

he was so tired and sleepy and he was there all the time in mom's arms, of course. they lost their safety. they cannot stay in kyiv or in the closest cities because they are shooting bombs and rockets and they can see everything outside their windows and it's in danger to stay there, or they can go outside in the garages and bomb shelters, but still hearing all the time again and again, shootings and shootings and shootings. i have lots of friends from kyiv and i saw the pictures where they -- it's crashes. everything is crashes. their homes. their hospitals and children's places. it's terrible. >> how difficult is the process for people to leave, the actual

journey? how difficult is that? there are such long lines at the border. how difficult is it for people to get out? >> it is hard because we have -- in a time where syrians sometimes showed up and so everybody should stay not on the streets, so that's what we were doing with families. fuel, what kind of stuff should they take. they have so small amount of time to leave, but very good that people gather together so in one car they try to make all passengers full. what else? there are not a lot of -- yeah, there are not a lot of freeways,

yes, so they are stuck in the cars. >> you told one of our producers and it really struck me, you said we didn't ask them who they were, we just saw that they were tired and needed to sleep. it shows great compassion, ukrainians looking after ukrainians. how difficult is life for you right now? >> comparing to other people, i think our life right now here, it's good. we don't hear any shootings. we have quiet air -- a quiet place. nothing is in the air. to the closest big city, like, 20, 25 kilometers, so there are sirens and people are calling us, like, be attentive and do not walk even in your city. but here in our home we're okay.

we are okay. we just give as much support as we can to all different people. as in the bible says, god tells us to help and be sensitive, you know, be sensitive, and in our nation, what i see it's in our blood to help and be tentative to the person that needs help. >> our thoughts are with you. i am sure those people you are helping will remember your kindness forever. stay safe. we appreciate you joining us and taking the time. >> thank you, michael. thank you for your work with what you are doing. i am so grateful that people from other countries are paying attention what's happening here because it's not acceptable what's happening. in the morning we did not expect it. we don't have anywhere inside

the country, but russian aggression should be stopped. >> you have a lot of support from countries and people all-around the world. thanks so much. be safe. >> thank you. thank you so much. thank you. >> hearing those ordinary ukrainian voices is so important in all of this, and analysis is important, hearing from people speaking from the heart is equally so perhaps more so in many ways. well, after days of fighting in ukraine, it seems russia's military campaign might not be going as vladimir putin had planned. we'll talk about why, next. (vo) for me, one of the best things about life is that we keep moving forward. we discover exciting new technologies. redefine who we are and how we want to lead our lives.

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after punishing sanctions on moscow by the west, russians are spotted forming long lines at atms afraid. >> since thursday, everybody has been running between atms to withdrawal cash, and some get lucky, some don't. >> the u.s., european union and uk and canada announcing saturday they would excel certain russian banks from s.w.i.f.t., the international payment system that connects financial institutions around the world. it's a big deal. other sanctions include freezing the assets of some of russia's biggest banks. russian authorities have detained meanwhile s6,000 peopl for participating in anti-war

protests. under russian law, large demonstrations require a permit and heavy fines or jail time can be imposed on those without the proper paperwork. >> translator: to start the war was a bad decision for our people, because many of them have friends, husbands, and they will die for nothing. >> meantime, cnn contributor, jill dougherty, is in moscow monitoring the reaction, and it doesn't appear to be going as planned. >> several events here in moscow that may indicate that the kremlin is more and more concerned that this military operation in ukraine is not going as they expected. number one, president putin ordering his military to put his nuclear deterrence forces on high alert. what he called special combat

regime. the russian president saying he was doing it because of aggressive rhetoric coming from nato and from the sanctions that have been leveled by the united states and by europe. the white house did respond but in a more measured fashion saying the kremlin is manufacturing threats that do not exist, and there was no indication at this point that the united states is changing its nuclear posture. then another sign, the military, the daily briefing by the russian military admitting for the very first time that russian soldiers have been killed and wounded in battle in ukraine. there were no numbers given, and the military spokesman saying it was fewer than the ukrainians suffered but still significant that first example of their admission that people are dying in this military operation.

then, finally, another statement, this time from a former russian president, saying there is no need to have diplomatic relations anymore, he said we should padlock the embassies and look at each other through binoculars and gun sights. still to come, how people around the world are rallying behind ukraine and condemning putin and russia's war. we will look at the saolidarity.

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you are looking at the spectacular niagara falls on the u.s.-canadian border lit up in blue and yellow in solidarity with the people of ukraine and against the russian invasion. landmarks on both sides of the boarder have also been lit up in support of ukraine, and that support extends far beyond north america. landmarks in seoul, south korea also lit up in ukraine's colors. hello. i'm in hong kong with more of

our breaking news coverage. ukrainian americans and their allies are finding solace in church attendance. one ukrainian catholic church in new york is seeing an increase in attendees from those wanting to pay respects and others trying to find peace through worship. polo sandoval has this report. >> reporter: here at st. george ukrainian catholic church, church leaders estimating out of the roughly 5,000 parishioners, about 80% of them are ukrainian immigrants. we have seen many coming here and uniting in prayer. faith certainly playing a massive role for so many ukrainian americans. and we met several of them, including maya who attended sunday's service earlier this morning talking about that sense of unity she has seen not just within the church, but around the ukrainian american community in general. >> it did. and i think to see how packed the church was so early in the morning on an 8:00 a.m. on a sunday, it just made me feel connected to a community.

i feel i'm ukrainian american. i was born here. to be connected to a community of immigrants and people who are born here, it just made me feel a lot better. and i do feel like coming to church is the best that we can do. it's all that we can do right now. >> reporter: outside of those sunday services, we have seen people showing their support with this small memorial that is formed just at the steps of this church. also in attendance during sunday's service was new york cardinal timothy dolan, kelling the congregation today he is not only praying for the ukrainian community but praying with them as well. polo sandoval, cnn, new york. around the world, we're seeing powerful protests and displays of solidarity with the people of ukraine. rallies were held in cities across the u.s. over the weekend, including the nation's capital, demanding an end to the war. in berlin, thousands gathered at teagarden park sunday to express their outrage over the russian invasion. and in tel aviv, thousands of

israelis, including many of ukrainian dissent took to the streets to condemn russia's aggression. a ukrainian brewery is contributing to the fight in their own special way, serving up molotov cocktails instead of the usual beer. they made a special label featuring an image of russian president vladimir putin. last week the ukrainian ministry of defense encouraged defense encouraged them to make molotov cocktails to combat the russian, even providing instructions on how to make them online. i'm anna coren in hong kong. our breaking news coverage continues after this short break. please stay with cnn. check out this vrbo. oh man. ♪ come on.

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this is cnn breaking news. >> and welcome to our viewers. joining us from all around the world coming to you live from ukraine, i'm michael holmes. and now breaking news continues this hour. ukrainian and russian delegations will meet for talks in the coming hours, even as bitter fighting continues in parts of this country. the delegations will meet near ukraine's border with belarus, which of course is a key russian ally. ukraine's president, though, appearing to have little hope the conflict will be resolved then. >> translator: alexandr lukashenko a