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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening again from lviv in western ukraine. as we speak, ukrainians all across the country are waking up to the reality that all their bravery, resilience, and resourcefulness may soon be tested more than ever. everything we are hearing from american officials and so much of what so many of our correspondents are seeing here on the ground speaks to an accelerating and intensifying campaign of russian attacks on ukrainian cities and ukrainian civilians. wesley park, retired four star general, put it bluntly in the last hour that people in kyiv are facing a world of hurt. the russian convoy near an airport north of the city now stretches more than 40 miles long, we're told, and it contains, as general clark noted, artillery and rockets, which russians have shown no reluctance to use, along with air strikes on residential
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neighborhoods. something ukraine's president made note of tonight. >> translator: today russian forces brutally fired on kharkiv from jet artillery. it was clearly a war crime. kharkiv is a peaceful city. there are peaceful residential areas, no military facilities. dozens of eyewitness accounts prove that this is not a single false volley but deliberate destruction of people. the russians knew where they were shooting. >> president zelenskyy is calling for war crime prosecutions as well as the establishment of a nato no ply zone, which western governments have all said is not forthcoming. that said, harsh economic sanctions on russia have been, including remarkably now from switzerland as well as monaco, and they are starting to have an effect. although most of the effects will be much longer term. as is the pipeline military aid even from unlikely countries as
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germany and sweden. in the end, the fate of ukraine, though, is being decided by ukrainians. and that is where we start, with cnn's matthew chance tonight in kyiv. matthew, talk about what you've been seeing and hearing tonight in kyiv and also what you saw earlier today. >> reporter: yeah, anderson, hi. as you've been mentioning, there is a lot of tension, a lot of anxiety, a lot of concern in the ukrainian capital of kyiv tonight because of those reports of that giant russian armored column that is making its way towards kyiv. it's raising the possibility that vladimir putin and the kremlin is going to unleash a huge barrage on this city or at least threaten that in order to take it over. it comes, of course, after there have been a number of significant russian setbacks, as their forces try to enter the city and try and take it over. take a look at what we saw in
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the northwest of the city earlier on today. >> right within the past few hours there has been a ferocious battle here on the outskirts of kyiv. this is the frontline, the battle for the ukrainian capital. the russian column that has come down here has been absolutely hammered. trucks and armored vehicles reduced to twisted metal, as ukrainian forces dig in, catching the kremlin and its invasion force off guard. >> look at this. i mean, what kind of munitions does it take to do that to a car, to a vehicle? i know i've been speaking to the local ukrainian commanders here. they've been saying that they're reducing western antitank missiles to attack these columns. look. so recent the battle, this vehicle is still smoking. there's still smoke coming out.
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commanders like alexander, of the ukrainian army. the russians thought they could just march into ukrainian land in a parade, he tells me. they were mistaken. it will never happen, he says. it's almost a cliché, but obviously somebody's brought a memento from home. you know, and now it's scorched in line with the debris of their, in this case, failed attack. an attack that's left ukrainian forces who repelled it confident, perhaps overconfident, that victory can be repeated across the country, as russian troops advance. absolutely ukraine will win this war, alexander tells me. of course we'll win. and the russians will rot, he
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says. this vehicle here is obviously from the russian military. it's got the letter v. i think that stands for the russian word for east, which implies that these military equipment, they came from the eastern division of the russian military. look, there's evidence -- i don't want to show you too much, but there's a body there. that's a russian soldier that is lying there dead on the street. you can tell they're russian because they've got this black and red -- and orange ribbon across them which is a sign, symbol of the russian army. >> ammunition. >> yeah, ammunition. oh, my god, there's another one there. it's terrible to see the grim
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inhumanity of a war. for the ukrainians and of course for the russians as well, the sacrifice that is being paid by all sides in this complete waste of life is here for us all to see. >> and matthew, i know while you were on that bridge, you also had had a frightening moment. i just want to show our viewers that. >> reporter: i was crouching down right by a grenade there. i didn't see that. so, let's move away from that. >> do you see a lot of ukrainian forces? i mean, you know, as you travel throughout the city and obviously traveling is very limited because there's been a curfew for much of this past weekend. but, i mean, do you see a lot of ukrainian forces in this city? >> i do, yeah. and they're kind of layered.
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so, in those frontline areas where i visited there, you've got the regular ukrainian army. and they've got antitank missiles and they're well equipped. and they set up their perimeter, defensive positions. as you work your way back into the center of the city, the troops become more irregular. you're looking at civil defense forces, some of whom have been given weapons just a few days ago, they've never shot a weapon before. they've been given an ak-47 and they set up with neighbors in their neighborhood and set up trenches and they're prepared to fight, if necessary fight to the death, if and when russian forces come in, which is an extraordinary change of mood in ukraine. many people before this invasion said, look, we're probably not going to fight. we'll probably accept it. as soon as the russian tanks started to roll in, as soon as russian troops set foot in ukrainian territory, that pushed people over the line. and now people are -- many people are feeling that, look, now is the time to come.
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now the toime has come to stand up for your city and the neighborhood. and i think the russians probably underestimated that. >> matthew chance, remarkable reporting as always. thank you so much. i want to go next to the white house where the war is taking up more of the president's focus tonight. and apparently in tomorrow's state of the union address as well. kaitlan collins is there for us tonight. where does the white house think this is going now? and do they think the ukrainians can hold off the russians? >> reporter: i think the concern is it's about to get more challenging for them. they have been just as pleasantly surprised by the fierce resistance they've seen the ukrainians put up so far. but they're also paying attention to things like that 40-mile-long convoy of russian military vehicles that is potentially headed for the capital of kyiv. they're also watching the increase in violence and the civilian casualtys that have been happening in recent days. and i think that is a big concern for the white house now as they watch this.
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they do know at the end of the day the russian military does outpower the ukrainian forces that are fighting there. i think that's the concern they're paying attention to. you are seeing the united states and other countries still agree to send security assistance, military assistance to ukraine. but it's getting a lot harder to get that assistance there. just in january and in december, we were seeing it being flown directly into the airport, into kyiv. and now of course it's a lot more difficult for them to be able to get that to these ukrainians who obviously so desperately need it. >> is president biden concerned about what vladimir putin said about nuclear forces being on high alert? because it seems like the white house is very conscious in how they are responding to that. >> reporter: they are. they are being careful when you see them talk about this and basically kind of -- not ignoring it but effectively trying to ignore it. not matching putin's rhetoric, not matching what he's doing and feel they need to put their same forces on high alert. they're saying nuclear posture.
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they haven't changed that at all. they believe putin's efforts here are unjustified and unnecessary. so, i think you're seeing this effort, a deliberate effort by the white house and by the pentagon to try to deescalate when it comes to that. when president biden was asked today do americans need to be worried about the prospect of a nuclear war happening, he flatly and bluntly said no and didn't add anything else. >> appreciate it. i want to get perspective from ambassador taylor from the ukraine. you heard reporter from washington and ukraine. you saw the massive military convoy near kyiv. what's your assessment of where this may be headed in the next 24 or 48 hours? >> anderson, just like your reporters have been saying, the russians have overwhelming force. the ukrainians are fighting valiantly. they're fighting fiercely. and they're fighting in various stages. i think matthew identified
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several layers very well. you got the regular forces, and then you've got the people, the civilians. i have several good friends who are among those civilians who are defending their neighborhoods, defending their homes. and i think your reporters are also correct that the russians, mr. putin probably in particular, did not expect this level of determination, of firmness, of resistance. he probably thought it was like he would have found in his country, that people are not really motivated. they're indifferent. but the ukrainians are clearly not. the ukrainians are fighting -- as several people have said on your program, they're fighting for their land. >> it is extraordinary to see this spirit -- and i don't -- i mean, it's a cliché to talk about it. but it's so evident, the sense of defiance and the sense of pride. i'm so struck by the greeting that ukrainian soldiers say to
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each other, glory to ukraine. and it's something that just you can feel among -- in any city or any place you go here. >> anderson, you're exactly right. and you will hear the glory to ukraine and then the response is, glory to the heroes. the people, the ukrainian people, are so proud of their soldiers, of their heroes. and there have been many heroes already in this fight. there have been heroes previously. as we know, the russians invaded in 2014, and there were heroes of the country then defending -- defending ukraine from the russians at that time in the demask airport. there are heroes of that fight. they take this very seriously. and i am very impressed with their president, as we all are. president zelenskyy has led this country, has stepped up to lead this country, in a way that no one expected. no one expected it. and now political opponents are
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standing up with him, and they're proud of him. this friend of mine there said, he was actually in another political party. he's now proud to be in the service of president zelenskyy. >> yeah, and president zelenskyy is a 44-year-old man who went to law school but was a actor and a comedian playing a president on television before he actually ran for president. and it is an extraordinary transformation, to see the birth of a leader and a leader filling the role in the way that he has on the streets and staying in kyiv, when many thought -- and russia claimed -- he had fled. what do you think happened? the weaponry that has been promised by the european union, by the germans of all people, do you think that will make it to where it's needed? make it to people, to forces in kyiv in time? >> that's a good question about whether in time.
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it's extraordinary that the germans have turned around and have now begun to provide both the antiaircraft, the stingers, as well as the antiarmor, the javelins and related weapons. that's remarkable. and it's a great morale boost for the ukrainians as well to see nato in its full supporting them. and this means a lot to them. you're exactly right. the right question is, can it come in time? there is a flow. the united states, of course, has been increasing the assistance since 2014. but even recently in the past several months, the flow has increased. and that flow continued. it's more complicated now. you're exactly right. i mean, you can't land at boris field, you can't land at the airport in kyiv at this point, but you can get there other ways. and they are working that. they're working it hard. >> ambassador taylor, appreciate
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more than 400 civilian casualties so far according to the u.n., more than half a million refugees, and according to the pentagon, a massive russian convoy and a history of russian tactics, they have a reason to believe the toll on civilians and the misery will only grow in the days ahead. it's hard to see tpg otherwise. on the other side of the equation, the resourcefulness of the ukrainian people and the effectiveness of the western military now coming in, perspective on it from all of it now. mark hertling and brigadier
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general, currently global fellow, general zac. shells have been falling in the city since this afternoon. what do you think this next phase is going to look like? >> thank you, anderson. first of all, as we mentioned before, time actually is not on the russians' side. the longer this goes on -- and they've had a very clumsy first five days -- the more the pressure mounts within their own forces who are probably staggered facing the resistance by fellow slavs. and the international condemnation and their sanctions. and there are cracks in that facade. you see it in the arrests on the street and rumors about dissent within the corridors of power and the oligarch. so, the russians have got to finish this. and that column is coming in
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with the logistics, what we would call the second echelon. they will -- they don't have time to do a long siege. a long siege could take weeks and be dreadfully bloody. and as general hertling mentioned earlier, they don't have the numbers for a massive stalingrad type siege battle. so, they've got to finish it. it's bloody, brute force, artillery including the thermobarrack. all of that. i think the whole facade is beginning to crack around them. they are in country and also in russia itself. >> general hertling, if that's true, to what end violent, bloody, again, is the objective decapitate the leadership? and then what? >> i think the real issue that
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mr. putin is trying to do is to cause as much pain as possible, anderson. if you take a strategic look at this, he has not obtained any of his strategic objectives yet, and he won't based on the condemnation he's getting on the world stage and also what's happening in terms of his force in ukraine. you know, you mentioned -- everyone's been mentioning the 40-mile convey. okay. i got it. if peter and i were working together, i would be asking him, what's in that convoy? is this just resupply? is it artillery resupply? is it rockets? is it fuel? what exactly is this. i think peter brings up a very good point. you know, this is the point of the conflict where the next 24 to 48 hours could be deadly for a lot of ukrainian citizens. it will be that kind of a fight. putin has been known to do that before. he's not gone after any military targets. that's what's amazing me. he's always focused on the civilian population. the artillery, the rockets, the
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dpi, the cluster munitions, if you will, the thermal bar rack, has peter mentioned. all of those things become terror weapons not against the military but against the civilians. so, putin thinks he can push this down by causing pain among the population and the political body to say, we've had enough. i don't think you're going to see ukraine do that. i don't think the military in ukraine is going to stand for that. and i still remain extremely hopeful that they will mount an incredibly tough defense, not only conventionally in the next 24 to 48. but also if things get worse, they will continue to fight back after that. >> just briefly, general hertling, what is a thermal barrack? >> it has heat and pressure, ther thermo and bara, the two latin
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words. and it will shoot off a device and capture the atmospheric pressure and create shockwaves more than an explosive. it not only knocks down walls, crushes people, takes away oxygen, it is the kind of weapon that's used in bunkers to get underground. but in this case, i think you're going to see putin's forces using it against buildings to knock them down to cause more terror against the ukrainian people. >> i'd like to talk more. we're going to have to leave it there. we're short on time. i really appreciate your expertise. thank you. ahead from the ukraine, our one-on-one conversation with the major, his message to vladimir putin. also chef jose andre is joining me on his organization's efforts to feed ukrainians as they cross over, women and children.
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we've been talking to our correspondents for the last two hours all across ukraine. with more on that 40-mile-long russian convoy on the outskirts of the capital, kyiv. i spoke earlier in the day with kyiv's mayor vitali klitschko.
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>> mayor klitschko, what is the situation in kyiv right now. >> there are russian troops ready to attack kyiv, and they non-stop we listen to explosion every hour during last night, all last night, last four days. people were very nervous, spent a lot of time in bunkers. and right now so many groups in our city, right now is pretty strange. it's russian aggression groups. >> how effective have the civilians who have taken up arms, how effective has that been in defending kyiv? >> we never ll surrender. i'm proud of our army.
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our ukrainian army is one of the strongest armies in the world. but our soldiers is heroes. they show great performance, as right now, so many thousands build civilian defense. people take the weapons and ready to defend our homes, defend our families, defend our future and our country. and i am very proud, really some time to see how people, patriotic. how people thought we doesn't have the army, it's not interesting how strong the russian army, we're ready to fight and ready to die for our home country, for our families because it's our home.
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it's so infuriating somebody wants to come into our home and steal, steal our future from us. >> how long can kyiv hold out? how long can -- can you hold onto the city? >> i'm not ready to give you a clear answer. so long -- so long time if we still. >> mr. mayor, do you have a message to vladimir putin? >> we want in ussr. we don't want back russia. we see our future as democratic, modern european country. that's it. no discussion. it's our goal. we're fighting for that. we're fighting for our country. we're fighting for our dream.
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>> mayor klitschko, i appreciate your time. i wish you well. >> thank you. thank you for support. people, it's unity. build world unity, can stop the war. we don't need the war. we are peaceful nation, peaceful people. we never was aggressive to anyone. in this war, we have to stop altogether. thank you. >> mayor klitschko is trying to lead his city, chef jose andres is just outside ukraine. his world cental kitchen is making fresh hot meals for ukrainians who have crossed over who are have become refugees. as you've seen, we've seen jose and his team many times across the globe, from puerto rico to beirut. there's nothing about this that's accidental. he joins me tonight from poland.
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jose, thanks so much for joining us. what have you been doing? what's your setup like here? >> well, once our kitchen arrives already three days ago, i arrived yesterday evening. and i landed in barstow and i drove four hours all the way to the town, where planes meet with poland. and it's probably the place we see the most refugees leaving ukraine into poland. >> so, for people who don't realize -- i just made that border crossing today from poland. there are hundreds, throughout the day probably thousands, of mostly women and children, who have made it finally to the border of days and days of really difficult travel in many cases by train, by bus, by car, by walking, however they can get there. and they are hungry. they are disoriented. they are separated from their loved ones, from their husband,
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from their boyfriends, their family members. you are there feeding them. how do you get food to that place? is it the model that you usually use, which is kind of mobilizing local kitchens to get food and serve it there at the border? >> well, i think today we reached around 16,000 meals. tomorrow it will be more than 30,000 meals. we are only a small fraction of all the meals that are happening. so, yes, we partnered. we built a restaurant. sometimes food drives that we positioned very quickly where we see the need the biggest. even some places that all of a sudden in the southern part of the border in poland that all of a sudden we see support. but i want to tell you one thing. it's amazing to see that the people that are taking care of
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not only the ukrainians but many other nationals leaving ukraine right now, are retired firefighters. many of them, some are retiring from the army, and they were cooks. they have these spectacular world war ii systems of making big soups and keeping the soups hot with wood and feeding people as they arrive a bowl of hot soup. people need to remember we are in freezing temperatures. right now i'm holding microphone, and seems like my fingers are about to break. and i am in the comfort of a nice hotel. i cannot -- anderson, those women and children walking sometimes for 24, 50 hours, 50 kilometers, one, two, three days to get to the border, and these freezing temperatures, it's so sad to see that in europe today, a nation like ukraine has to be going through what they're going through right now. >> yeah, i mean, you have
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certainly seen a lot of very difficult circumstances. to see women and children, particularly the children, you know, who don't necessarily know what's going on, probably some of the very young ones, it's really just heartbreaking. that scene at the border really just stays with me since i saw it. >> when you are able to engage with a child, first thing they tell you is, my dad is back in ukraine. my dad is back in ukraine. and i have a feeling those children, even very young, they know why their dads are in ukraine. everybody is in the defense of ukraine, and it breaks your heart. i was there yesterday night, late at night, and as many people were coming in, i saw a group of around ten young boys, one of them american, that they were going in the opposite direction. we can see every day that these
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men crossing the line, not leaving ukraine, but going in ukraine, to do what? to join their armies, to join their people, with one only idea in mind, to be there defending every city in ukraine from the russian attack. and this break your heart, quite frankly. >> chef jose andres, i appreciate you being here. thank you. >> thank you very much. vladimir putin's actions rise to tlhe level of war crime. the inteternational court is investigating. in a 7 day s stuy to causese fewer ulcers than immediate release aspirin. vazalore. the first liliquid-filled aspirin capsules...amazing!
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from $89 per person, per night. restrictions apply. the last hour i spoke with alaina gi nesh, a mother of three in kyiv, huddling for safety in a basement. she said she wanted the international criminal court to get involved and punish him. today the court announced it will open an investigation into the invasion of ukraine, quote, alleged war crimes and crimes
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against humanity have been committed in ukraine. our next guest wrote, putin may qualify as a war criminal. robin wright has won a number of awards for her overseas reporting. robin, it's good to see you. just days ago, you wrote, and i'm quoting, putin's war of choice has clearly violated international law. do you think the rest of the world sees putin as the war criminal? and how likely is it that the court will move forward on this? >> those are two different questions. i think you see unbelievable, almost incredible unity around the world behind the ukrainian people and against vladimir putin. the 1949 geneva convention stipulate a long list of crimes. but the two that are most relevant to ukraine are first willful killing. and we've already seen hundreds die just in the past week. and the second is extensive damage that is not justified by military necessity and that is carried out illegally and
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wantonly. and that we've seen as well. the interesting thing about the statement from the international criminal court today is that it's talking about not just the past week but going back to 2014 when russia first invaded ukraine, seized and annexed the crimea. and during that, you've seen the best of 14,000 ukrainians. so, there is a strong case already to be made for war crimes. and what we've seen really over the past few days is really a kind of statement. today the pentagon said every lost soul is on vladimir putin. and over the weekend, the u.n. secretary general antonio guterres said, this could well be the worst war of the century. and anderson, as you know better than most, we've seen some hellish wars already this century already. and the idea this is the greatest land war since 1945 in
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europe is really a frightening prospect. and this may well only be the beginning. >> you write about how putin has surrounded himself with yes men and those who agree with him. how much does the threat of actually being labelled a war criminal really matter to vladimir putin? >> well, at this point he's cornered himself. he doesn't have many ways out. there's almost no way for him to get redemption. given the international condemnation. so, i think he, as we all now believe, that he has changed a good deal. he's evolved from someone who was once considered a rational actor who someone who is so acting on rage and emotional paranoia, kind of an obsession about the threat from the west, that he thinks he's in the right no matter what the outside world does. the question, of course, is what the people around him will do. but, you know, we saw during the
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second world war the number of att attempts that were made from inside the third reich to hitler. the question is will he be in the hague? it's one thing to charge him. it's another thing to get somebody extradited or captured. and i think that's going to be impossible given this is a nuclear power. >> thank you so much. ukraine fighting intense fights, visiting a church in new york city that's offering a message of support to the ukrainian community. he'll take us there next. and it's easy to get a quote at libertymutual.com so you only pay for what you need. isn't that right limu? limu? sorry, one sec.
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many wearing blue and yellow carrying the ukrainian flag in solidarity. the fighting is also hitting home for ukrainian americans who are worried about the events unfolding with russia. our gary tuchman visited a large ukrainian church in new york city where they held a mass to show support for the ukrainian community. gary joins us now. so gary, talk a little bit about this church and what you saw. >> reporter: well, i understand this is the st. george ukrainian catholic church in new york city. it's in the east village section of manhattan, and inside this beautiful house of worship we just attended a mass that ended a short time ago. this church celebrates at least two masses every single day, but what's different right now is that there are wartime prayers for ukraine and ukrainians. there are about 5,000 parishioners who come to this church, about 80% of those 5,000 are immigrants from ukraine, and that's why it makes the situation so scary and terrifying because many, if not most of the people who come to this church still are have family members and friends who
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are in ukraine. we talked to one of the priests here and also a woman who immigrated to this country in 19 the 5 and just saw her son go back to ukraine a short time ago. >> what was the prayer that you had? >> i didn't give them the full details, okay. i don't want to be political from the pulpit, but at the same time, i said pray for peace. pray for your families. i still have family there. i said keep calm, and you know, put everything in god's hands. but if you have to support, you know, whatever you can do to support the cause of helping ukraine, you know, once again regain its independence and sovereignty too. >> how scared and worried are you about what's happening back in your home of ukraine? >> very scared, very scared. i was mad. i was upset. i was crying because there's
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people dying. no matter it's my ukrainian people or even russian boys. there's some other russian mothers that are crying for their kids too. >> oksana talks to her son as much as she can, but she is oh, so worried. i will tell you anderson, i've talked to a lot of people who have attended masses today and last week, and they all tell me the same thing. they have family members and friends who are there. they go on whatsapp. they text. they email. they call, and when they call and nobody answers and they get a voice mail or when they send on whatsapp and they don't get a response or when they send a text and they don't get a response or an email, they're terrified for a minute, and then they hear back from that loved one, and they're so grateful, and then the cycle continues, a couple of hours later they'll send a whatsapp and hear nothing back. such a frightening time, that's
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stay with cnn for the latest from ukraine, the news continues this hour. want to turn things over to don and "don lemon tonight". >> anderson, it's good too to see you there on the ground. you've been in a number of war zones. it strikes me, you can correct me if i'm wrong, to see this many civilians actively taking part in fighting for their country. is that unusual? is that something that you can speak to or you've observed? >> i mean, i think certainly to see so many civilians taking part against such an overwhelming force as the russian army, i think is really an extraordinary thing to see. i've certainly been in places where people have taken up arms, formed roadblocks and things like that, but i think it's the mobilization of the entire country, which i think was even unexpected to some ukrainians who didn't maybe expect this to happen like it has, but i mean