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this is don lemon tonight, the breaking news, u.s. officials fearing the worst is yet to come for kyiv. new satellite images show a massive 40-mile long russian convey getting closer to the ukrainian capital. u.s. lawmakers in a classified briefing were given a quote alarming timeline tonight for ukrainian cities could fall to russia. we're covering all the angles for you on this breaking news story. michael holmes is la vooviv and
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damon, kaitlan collins is live for us at the white house this eve evening. hello to all. arwa, more than half a million refugees fled ukraine. you're on that ukrainian side of the border of poland where people are trying to flee. what are they telling you, arwa? >> reporter: well, don, look,, t the stories 0 heartare heartbre and endless. every person is trying to get to safety. there are big challenges that will face you if you're not a ukrainian national. and let me just show you what has been happening along this whole border and this line. right here what you're looking at, this is the line for people who are not ukrainian. you have nationals from any number of african countries. we've talked to people from
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ghana, from guinea, from nigeria, from libya, morocco and they are all having to wait. you have indians, you have people from other places and they're having to walk to get here. it is absolutely freezing cold out and they're having to wait for hours. you can see, i don't know, the fires that they're having to put up. these are also a number of people who said that they tried to get here -- >> arwa damon, we'll try to get her back. she's talking to people who are on the boarder, on the polish side and do we have her back? a arwa, are you back? >> reporter: okay, yeah, we're
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back. we're back. >> go ahead, arwa. finish your report, please. o you cut out for a moment. >> reporter: sorry about that, don. i was talking to these young men over here earlier. you are all students, right? and you tried to get on the train and what happened when you tried to get on the train? what were you told? >> we were traveling from a long distance for about eight hours and we came to lviv to the border also left you behind from 10,000 and after that you walk act eight miles, eight hours to the border, which is very stressful. >> yeah, of course. did you try to get on the train?
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>> we got on the train. we get on the train. >> reporter: and there was someone i was talking to here earlier who tried to get on the train and wasn't allowed to get on the train. >> we're told that they're only -- they're not allowing the blacks to get on board. so if you're black, you're wasting your time. so we didn't board ourself. we went to take a bath and then headed to this place. >> because usually, black people are ru are turning around looking for other routes because they stood there for a long time and there was no getting on the train because they stopped them. they warned us not to go there because they won't allow us. that's why we didn't go for the train and try to find another route. >> reporter: how does that make you feel to hear things like that? >> i don't know.
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it's just -- it feels unfair, actually. it feels unfair for us it just was like we don't have a choice. we just want to get out, so we kind of try to find another way possible. we don't usually waste more time because the more time we waste, we don't know what's going to happen. things keep getting worse every day, and we go -- we get a lot of complaints for example, don't go to this border because they might not let you no. don't go here so you get confused. you don't know where to go to get across the border. so we just chose this place just to try because we have to try something. if you keep listening don't go to this border, don't take this train, we might not move at all. it very frustrating, actually. >> reporter: yeah, i'm sure it is. i hope you make it across and i hope you really make it home safely. and don, the big thing that is really upsetting, i think, for a lot of these non-ukrainians who have been waiting here and like
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i said, multiple different nationalities is ukrainians themselves are getting these larger buses and then they're being dropped off. they actually have their own line on the other side and you can see that you actually can't even see it from here and that's because that line moves very, very quickly. there are no hours long waits on that side and things here can get quite tense as you can imagine, people are so cold. they're so tired. as they try to move up, often times they're trying to get answers to their questions about what is happening, how long is the wait going to be? they're getting pushed back. we've been seeing people walking around with the fluorescent vests on holding baseball bats.
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we've been seeing the ukrainian forces also along this whole route holding up groups of, again, non-ukrainian nationals at various different points and others we've been talking to have been saying yes, they are being forced to do the walk. ukrainians are being bussed forward and they don't really know why. they don't understand why this is the case. now, when it comes to the ukrainians, it is only women and children that are actually able to cross over. remember, military aged men are not being permitted to leave but there is this overwhelming sense of frustration that there is something that is fundamentally unfair how this process of actually reaching safety is unfolding for everybody who wants to be able to leave, don. >> okay. arwa, thank you very much. i appreciate your reporting and
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also, what they said there. we'll follow up on that. be safe, arwa, thank you. we've been getting a ton of reports about people who are black not being able to get out or cross the border, not being allowed to do -- to get out of kyiv or to get out of ukraine. we want to follow up on that. we want to go to sara sidner. arwa was on the ukrainian side. sarah is on the polish side now. sarah, you heard what the man told arwa there. he said if you're black and trying to get out, you're wasting your time. there are some reports of black people being treated poorly while trying to flee ukraine. i understand you have a firsthand account from a woman named nia. what did she tell you, sarah? >> reporter: yeah, so just quickly, i want to let you know what is going on here. we're on the platform where a lot of people are trying to get onto the trains and these are people who are refugees who have
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come from ukraine and just as arwa was mentioning, these are people who are ukrainians, born and bred. these are people who are immigrants to ukraine, students from afghanistan and cameroon, west africa, you name it. there are people here from all over the place. it gives you some idea how people were living also in ukraine. there were a lot of students who are trying to figure out what to do and how to get home as they flee ukraine but also we are hearing and we have a firsthand acc account, the person arwa spoke to was hearing this was happening so they didn't go see it for themselves. nia experienced it herself. she's a mother who was trying to get on the train. there is a free train and that's what everybody is trying to get on so they can leave ukraine and that free train had tons of people, she was noticing that, you know, the caucasian ukrainians were able to get on
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very quickly but when it came to her, they literally pushed her back and pushed another woman, she said, back and the woman fell back and hit her head. both of them are black women with children. they were trying to explain that they should be able to get on like everyone else. here is what else she said. she said it's bad enough for us but here is what is happening to black men. >> all the black guys, no, no, no, there was one inside the train. they went inside the train and show him gun. >> reporter: they put a gun to a black man's face? >> they said walk out. he walked out. >> reporter: so you're telling me there is discrimination by the ukrainians against black people? >> black people entering the train, the free train. they have their people that do not want to help blacks. >> reporter: now, you will notice that you didn't actually see her face. she did not want her face shown. she was worried there would be
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some more abuse or she would be treated more poorly as she's trying to find where she can go. she said she cannot go back to cameroon. she's fled there for a reason. she's been in ukraine with her husband and child for ten years. her child has a ukrainian passport but says look, i have seen this repeatedly over and over again and it's very disturbing but i want to mention, we're talking about 500,000 refugees and these are people from all over ukraine, many, many, many, many people of different backgrounds but mostly people who were born and raised in ukraine and it is a tragedy to see just how many of them for example have very young children. we met a woman who had a 9 month old baby who was able to make it across and she just said i'm so thankful that i was able to make it across. we met a woman who had a 6-year-old who was sleeping and she said they had been traveling for five days for something that
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usually takes a day. and they were exhausted and she had tears in her eyes because she said the only reason why she left ukraine was because the russians had come in. they were shooting at them and the only reason why she left the country that she loves is to try and save her 6-year-old. she had to leave her mother behind. so these are the kind of stories that we are hearing over and over and over again. it is heart wrenching and it is something that if you think about it from the perspective of if you had to leave your home within a five-day period, what would that be like? leave everything, your job, your home, sometimes your family members and in ukraine, the men between certain ages have to stay back so one of the women told us she had to leave her husband but this is what they had to do to make sure their children and themselves were safe and they don't know how this is going to end. so much uncertainty and so much heartbreak here and we've just seen one of the last groups of
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people who have been held up here for many, many hours leaving on that train to go deeper into poland. >> heartbreak. that's the right word, heartbreaking. thank you sara sidner. appreciate that. i want to go to michael holmes. i want to put up satellite imagery. a 40-mile long russian convoy on the outskirts of kyiv. are you hearing from ukrainian officials what they plan to do if this convey assents on kyiv? >> reporter: don, they plan to do what they've done remarkably well so far and that is fight. i mean, their military but also, too, we've seen these regular civilians picking up weapons, making molotov cocktails preparing to take on tanks if necessary. i saw you interview a couple earlier. this massive column is worrying. it continues to edge towards kyiv. it is huge. 40 miles long heading to the city and that is helped to give a real sense here that a new and
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perhaps grim chapter could be coming in the next couple of days. the way the ukrainians held back the russians, pushed them back in some cases has been widely praised rightly admired and almost certainly vladimir putin has been seeing that. he's been caught off guard by how much more difficult this has been for his forces but the russians of course still have that overwhelming superiority in numbers and material. the fear i think don is the russians are going to ratchet things up and bring in heavy equipment and a heavy hand and cause more pain. if they go into a city the size of kyiv. how bloody the street to street battles could be doesn't bear thinking about, don. >> michael holms in lviv. now to kaitlan collins. you've been talking to officials about this massive convoy and the possible ratcheting up of forces from the russian side. what are you hearing?
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>> reporter: they're obviously monitoring it closely. they see what direction it is headed in and how long it is. it's made up of russian military vehicles. you can put two and two together what michael is talking about the fears. it's not just the convey the white house is concerned about, don. it also the increase in violence that we've seen in recent days. the civilian casualties, the killings that are happening as michael is saying there is a concern things are going to get ratcheted up, that's a concern that is shared here at the white house because yes, we have seen this fierce resistance from the ukrainians so far that surprised many people who have been watching this and analyzing and predicting how quickly the capital like kyiv could fall to the russians, something that's surprised the russians but in the end, still looking at the numbers how 24they're able to a more forces to the days and looking what the ukrainians have. they have a fear the situation is about to get more alcohol
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legl -- challenging for the ukrainians. allies will send more security assistance to ukraine to help. there are public pleas from ukrainian president zelenskyy and top aides for more but it more difficult to get the aide to ukraine because before, back in early january, they were flying it into the capital. it is a lot harder now. with a giant convey like that headed to kyiv and this concern that officials have they want to basically encircle the capital city, the question is how do you get aid there? that's something they're grappling with here in the biden administration and that is a big concern that they're obviously watching very closely. >> thanks, to kaitlan collins, michael and arwa. i want to turn to james clapper. he's now a cnn national security analyst. thank you very much. a lot to discuss. first off, let talk about the new satellite images showing a russian convoy more than 40 miles long that reached the
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outskirts of kyiv and lawmakers during a classified briefing were given an alarming timeline for when ukrainian cities could fall. are you worried putin is about to ramp up this invasion? >> well, i think that's pretty much conventional wisdom there because the initial attack of i guess his shock and awe and cause them to fall and give up and go home. obviously, that hadn't been the case. you got to imagine the frustration among putin's part has really built up. we're going into the sixth day of this thing and so it's pretty evident what the russians will do is put more resource on them. now, looking at that imagery of the convey, i couldn't help but drool a bit and imagine what a couple of air force a-10 squads
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could do to the convey. they don't display good discipline by having all those vehicles bunched up like that. that makes for a great target. i'm concerned about putting more resources and cutting off kyiv, which is the primary target, the primary center of gravity to use the military term for the russians. their original plan, ovf course was to capture kyiv and specifically kyiv government buildings, media outlets, telecommunications, et cetera and then have the government capitulate and install a puppet. things haven't gone according to plan. one other comment, don, real quickly on the length of time that it will take for kyiv to fall. one untangible that nobody can measure is will to fight and
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we've seen a resolute will to fight. the outlook on how long kyiv can hold out or on the conservative side, i think it would be longer than short. >> interesting. l let's talk a little bit more about the target. enforcing a no fly zone over ukraine is off the table. why is a no fly zone is a contentious issue. would it be seen as a big provocation? >> it would be and of course, i mean, this is consistent with the president's statement as policy that there will be no u.s. troops on the ground in ukraine and that extends to the air. i think if we're going to do a no fly zone, i'd love to do that, the time is kind of come and gone for that. it would have been good before hostility started. and mounting a no fly zone is
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not a trivial undertaking. a huge resource, lots of coordination with the ground ukrainians and of course, a direct confrontation with the rus russians. >> director clapper, thank you, sir. appreciate it. >> thanks, don. at least 406 civilians killed or injured after only five days. should vladimir putin be charged with war crimes? you can watch movies through your phone? and y'all got electric cars? yeah. the futurere is crunk! (laughs) anything else you wanna know? is the hype too much? am i ready? i can't tell you everything. but if you want to make history, you gotta call your own shots. we going to the league!
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the international criminal court says it will open an investigation into russia's inva invasion as rapidly as possible. joining me to discuss is the dean of school of law at case western university, reserve university and argued in front of the international criminal court. so happy to have you. thank you. good evening. horrible images coming out of kharkiv, residential neighborhoods shelled. nine civilians killed including three children. is what you've seen so far reached the threshold for war crimes? >> yeah, unfortunately, don, it definitely does because so many people in the ukraine have video phones and are documenting this and getting to see what is going on in the cities, in the countryside, we're seeing some really bad war crimes. i think we're seeing crimes against humanity, which are systematic and wide spread attacks against a civilian
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population and the president of the ukraine has even said there is a potential genocide that could happen if enough people are systematically expelled from ukraine in order to change it's ethnic makeup. >> explain to us, if you will, michael, explain what the war crimes are. >> so the war crimes are defined in the 1949 geneva conventions and basically, the one that we're most concerned about are called grave breaches of the geneva conventions and that is systematic attacks against civilians during war and use of cluster ammunitions can do that targeting hospitals, targeting apartment buildings, targeting schools, as we've seen so far in the videos all of those are serious war crimes. >> yeah. you're right. a lot of it has been playing out. we've been seeing the video coming in at a time when
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everyone has a device in their hands that can record and become evidence. thank dyou, michael. sorry we're short. we have a lot going on but appreciate you joining us and we'll have you back. >> all right. the have a good night. >> you, as well. >> a harrowing scene in ukraine as thousands desperately try to flee to safety walking over 30 miles in the cold. erin burnett tells us what she saw on the way to the border that is next. here. aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength?? reduces inflammation? thank the gods. don't thank them t too soon. kick pain in t the aspercreme. stuff. we love stuff. and there's some really great stuff out there.
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the u.n. saying 520,000 refugees have fled ukraine since russia's invasion and warn that number could rise to 4 million in the coming days. erin burnett made the same journey so many are making to get out of ukraine, a trip that would take five hours by car took 21 hours. here is the story. >> reporter: the day began well before dawn with air raid sirens. those sirens you hear actually mark the end of the air raid warning that we just had. the air raid actually went off while it was still dark, while i was getting ready. had to go to the basement for a little bit. obviously, it was full because the hotel is absolutely full of people fleeing to get further
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west. now we're loaded up, a few minutes delayed and about to be on our way to the border. on our way at 7:00 a.m. to a shell shocked city where many fled and many arriving from points further east. the cold is cruel. there are young children everywhere caused families. most have nowhere to go. their designatic destination st. this is the main train station in lviv. most of these people this is the final stop they can get west. many men are trying to board buss to go to poland. i will say this is the most diverse group of people we've seen since we came into this country. some head straight from the trains to the bus depot. you buy the tickets on the bus? so that's why they're jammed sort of first come so the bus is full to get the tickets.
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we see a group of women and chil children. >> we had to get first tickets. >> reporter: trying to get a taxi, they came from kyiv. your whole family? >> no. we're separated. we don't know each other. >> reporter: don't know each other? >> yeah. >> we met on the train. >> and now traveling together? >> yeah. try trying. >> reporter: so we can see they're on an uber app. they're looking at trying to get a car to poland. back in our van, about one hour later, we saw where those ride hires ended. >> we've just come to a complete stop. we're 28.5 miles from the border exactly. you hear or see cars going the other direction, now we understand why. i was wondering why they were there. because people are getting to this point and just turning
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around and giving up. we should be like planning our gas situation because -- the gas here, long gone. now we know why we've seen abandoned cars. we were stunned. p people living normal lives in comfortable houses in wealthy cities going to work, to school, days before now with just the clothes on their backs. others reducing their entire lives to a suitcase. their babies strapped on, strollers, pets, toddlers walking. these people are 30 miles from the border. they may spend nights in the biting cold. >> i wonder if there is anyone -- >> reporter: our team, here you see, didn't have any idea about what to do either. there is no answer. >> they're going to start calling the people we have on the other side of the border to see if we should try to go to one of the other polish ones and then, you know, they say they don't have anyone in terms of
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figuring out the slovak or hungary but even hopefully just if they can look at if there is news reports or something sop what recent maybe that could help us make a decision. >> reporter: right. people are posting on social media. >> if we do the 3.5 hours down there and also bad and then where do we end up? which border do we end up spending the night in the car? >> reporter: this woman was hoping toe eventually get to germany. in an hour and ten minutes we went one half of one mile so that means, obviously, do the math, the distance to the border would take us 57 hours at the pace we're doing now and the situation at this border crossing as we understand has deter rated. someone tried to cut in and come through leary to the gas station and literally the car wouldn't let that person in. when you're 57 miles, 57 hours
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away from the border gives you a sense of how desperate you are. so we turned around, behind us, the end of the line. people here not yet aware they are 30 miles and vseveral days from possibly crossing the border. this is mark, a career war zone photo journalists. he's filming almost all of what you're seeing here, lines of cars, more lines of cars, lines of cars. a soul crushing reality. rare moments of what is normal life along the way but mostly this. sit sitt sitting, parked engine off. locals building center block tires and piling up tires. we lost count of the number of check points but one was worse than all the others. so now we're headed for border crossings either on the hungary border or slovakia border.
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this line of cars is for a check point. we've been in line for almost two hours and probably have at least that far to go all the way up and around that curve and up that hill. i was wrong there. it took us more than six hours to get past that check point. people fell asleep waiting. but no one ever cut around a sleeping driver when the line moved three or four car lengths. they just waited. while there, we talked to people like alexander trying to find a border where he could drop his wife off. does your wife want you to fight? >> no, she actually like wants to not fight. she's like scared and says i cannot like decide it on my own. so i will try to convince her so -- >> reporter: alexander has a medical degree and can help the wounded in an icu. to him, nothing could be worse than this excruciating wait. >> all these lines and queues of cars actually seems more
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exhausting and more harder than to actually fight the russians. >> reporter: i met urina in the only store of the tiny cluster of houses. she broke the war news to her family in russia. >> family said what? but nobody know about the news with the russian, nothing say about that. >> reporter: they didn't know. >> russia news, absolutely -- >> reporter: news control. >> not only control, absolutely different liar. people don't want war. it stupid sick, you know, war. >> reporter: by the time we pasted the check point, it was hours past dark. the roads remote. the curves sharp. suddenly after so many hours at the check point, it was disconcerting. we didn't see a single car until
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anywhere near a border. this line is for the slovakia border, that line was at least 14 hours long. it may have been much, much longer. we stopped after 17 hours for our driver to nap. his dedication to helping us was incredible. of course, he is between the ages of 18 and 60 so he is not alloweded to leave ukraine. he could take us only as far as the border. there we met a family that described in shock how they'd watch putin's rockets streaking across the sky in one of the attacks. the feeling of knowing the rockets would land seconds later somewhere in their country and destroy and kill leaving them just shaking their heads at us without words. so this is hungary. behind me, the border. it took us 21 hours to get here. of course, for us we're headed home and for so many people that we saw, afraid, they're leaving
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behind their homes and for now, levering behind the country they love so much. for us, we drove another four hours because so many of these borders are very remote on both sides. we took multiple flights and we ended home. the experience was crushing and i'll be honest, our team found a reservoir of self-control i'm not sure any of us thought we had, don but i can't emphasize enough how in our hearts and minds, this was fundamentally different for us than for everyone else there, for the ukrainians. the emotional pain and loss they feel, they're facing the unimaginable and unexplainable. a sudden invasion of their home and attack and they're leaving and they don't know if or when they'll ever come home, don. >> erin, thank you so much. we really appreciatue uthat. ukrainians are doing all they can to defend the country, many turning to the only weapons they have and that's home made
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in. building up the city's defenses with whatever they can. women bring in empty bottles to be made into molotov cocktails. the leaders of this militia say ukraine will win this war emboldened by recent successful operations to repel russian forces. juan shows us his passport. i'm originally russian he says but no russian boots will stand here. do you have a message for president putin? >> [ bleep ]. >> reporter: it a popular sentiment on the streets. this man's sign is too vulgar to translate. another billboard warns invading forces, russian soldiers leave, how will you look your children in the eye? ukraine has born the brutality of this invasion with patient
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grit and determination. outside every supermarket, there are long lines and scarce supplies. but no one is complaining. it amazing to see the optimism of people here. they've been waiting in this line for about 40 minutes to get into the supermarket but says everything is going to be okay. you can feel a growing confidence among people that they do have a chance to defeat russia. in an eastern suburb of the city, this front yard has turned into a staging area. so you can see they're collecting things to donate to people, sleeping bags, sleeping mats, pickles, foods. she is a grandmother and a retired economists. now she spends her days preparing for battle. >> [speaking foreign language]. >> reporter: this is where they make the molotov cocktails.
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she says she's going to show us them now. these are the only weapons she has but she says she's ready to fight. let those russian shits come here she says. we're ready to >> google helped, she tells me. you googled it. >> of course, she says. if russian forces pursh into th capital here in kyiv, what will dow? >> we will beat them. they won't come, she tell us. i believe in our ukraine. i believe in ukrainian people. moments later, she's off. russian forces are still moving forward. and there is much work to be done. clarissa ward, cnn, kyiv. >> clarissa, thank you so much. we'll be right back.
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alright, so...cordless headphones, you can watch movies through your phone? and y'all got electric cars? yeah. the future is crunk! (laughs) anything else you wanna know? is the hype too much? am i ready? i can't tell you everything. but if you want to make history, you gotta call your own shots. we going to the league!
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stuff. we love stuff. and there's some really great stuff out there. but i doubt that any of us will look back on our lives and think, "i wish i'd bought an even thinner tv, found a lighter light beer, or had an even smarter smartphone." do you think any of us will look back on our lives and regret the things we didn't buy? or the places we didn't go? ♪ i'd go the whole wide world ♪ ♪ i'd go the whole wide world ♪
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this is cnn breaking news. hello and welcome to our viewers joining us all around the world. i am michael holmes coming to you hive from lviv, in western ukraine as the country enters day six of a russian invasion. a massive russian convoy bearing down on the ukrainian capital, kyiv. satellite images show it stretches for more than 40 miles. that's 65 kilometers and includes tank -- tanks and artillery. russian troops have breached the kyiv
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