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russia to be cut off from the global internet. analysts say that may not be such a good idea since cutting russians off from the rest of the world will cut them off from legitimate information from the war and may limit them to only getting propaganda. >> thank you very much. thank you for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett starts right now. "outfront" next, a key city in ukraine appears to be in control tonight. more cities on the verge. putin ramping up his air assault. plus, russia facing mounting allegations that it is using weapons banned by many countries, intended to inflict mass casualties. what are they? will putin use them against ukrainian civilians? out front tonight. and we'll take you inside a makeshift bomb shelter in a synagogue not far from the
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capital of ukraine. people hunkering down, bracing for attack. good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front, breaking news. the major ukrainian city appears to be in russian control. in a message to facebook, the mayor of kherson saying no one agreed on anything with me. however, there were armed visitors in the city council today. we don't have ukrainian armed forces in the city. only civilians and people who wanted to live here. kherson is a strategically important city for putin. it is near the black sea west of crimea. russian tanks can be seen patrolling the streets. russian soldiers can be seen looting a bank in kherson. you can literally see it on video, hauling a safe from a back office. that's how russian troops are behaving. and there are more cities in ukraine right now fighting back, but on the edge of falling to russian control. seven days of relentless strikes. america's defense secretary moments ago warning it could get
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even worse. >> there's a lot of combat power that the russians still have available to them. s? there is. no matter how blundering they may have been so far, they have the sheer numbers and supply. and we are hearing, russians could focus on a bloody and deadly bombardment of civilian targets knew. we've already seen them firing at anything in their way including homes and schools and hospitals. throughout the day and into the night, there is consistent and haunting wails of air raid sirens across ukraine. now so haltingly familiar to anyone who has been there. we have terrifying video from just outside the capital. you can hear what appear to be two russian jets flying at low altitude. then they attack. striking an apartment complex. and i'll show you the aftermath.
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the entire floor is obliterated. every window gone. cars on the street destroyed. we have no idea if there were innocent human beings and civilians in the apartments who died. we don't even know a death toll. we do know that they hit an apartment building. in kharkiv, the second biggest city in ukraine, russia's assault is devastating the city. 1.5 million people live there. second biggest in the country. that's video footage of a massive fire ball. an explosion in kharkiv. inside the city, windows blown out, piles of debris littering the streets and sidewalks. again, no sense of how many people have lost their lives. you can see a hole in the side of a school. the voice in the video saying everything is in ruins. there are shell flagments everywhere. everything is smoke. the ambassador saying she has seen soldiers moving banned weapons into ukraine. we'll have a special report on these devastating weapons designed for one purpose.
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that is to kill a lot of people. a lot of innocent civilians. that's what they're designed to do and they are now in ukraine. the ukrainians are still resolute in defending country. hundreds of people are blocking an access road to a nuclear power plant. they're using garbage trucks to that stop putin's forces. the city's mayor saying no one will surrender the city. people are determined. we saw cinder blocks in front of every village and town. piles of tires burned to stop the russians. as we reported from ukraine over the last two weeks, we saw men, women, even teenagers, preparing to take on putin's forces. learning to treat battle injuries in school. we saw her doing that. or civilians like doctors practicing shooting skills at target rangers. we saw all of it. all of them saying they were willing to take on putin's forces, despite knowing how powerful the enemy is. at 1:00 a.m. local time, talking about the resolve against russia
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and the world's united opposition against russia, speaking as he now has almost nightly at about 1:30 in the morning local time from deep under kyiv. we have reporters across ukraine as well as hungary, where tens of thousands of ukrainians are trying to flee. i want to begin with nick paton walsh. he's 90 miles west of kherson. i know, nick, you were there days ago and we were talking every night about the bridge. you saw that fight back and forth, trying to get control of the key access point. how that was playing out. what are you learning from your sources tonight? >> reporter: it's clear there has been a seed change in how that city is run, certainly since the mayor posted on the facebook page he runs. basically, new rules. he would agree on what he calls armed men who have been to his office. he is sort of slightly circumspect in referring to the russian troops there. it is clear some sort of deal
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was made. the result of which, he says, the ukrainian flag still 30s over his office. but locals must only move around in the day. only civilians. they must as pedestrians walk in groups of one or two and obey the instructions of russian soldiers there. a particularly stark set of new rules, certainly for people living in kherson. strategic, yes, because it is the big city on the way up from the peninsula of crimea held by russia since 2014. north and along that inlet of the black sea where there are so many different parts they want to control. really what this shows us, the big population, not overwhelming in its size, but kyiv because of where it is, it is exactly what russia does when it moves in. we saw the fight for the bridge which is important by itself. we wondered what they would do if they went into the city. now wee seen it. they were looting, arresting people. now they've laid out rules sounding like martial law.
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using the current administration to stay in place while russian troops essentially running around looting. >> it's awful to see that. just completely horrific behavior. thank you very much. i want to go to matthew chance north of where nick is tonight in kyiv. matthew, again, the assault continues. tell me the latest as you can hear and see it. >> reporter: that's right, it does. and will there are more concerns in kyiv. that russian assault, the plans for a russian assault on the ukrainian capital are gathering pace. within the past hour, there is been a huge explosion just outside here from where i'm talking to you now, some distance away, on the outskirts of the city. apart from that, it has been relatively quiet. within the past few minutes, there has been another passioned address from his bunker in kyiv where he regularly addressed the
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ukrainian people saying we are a nation that broke the enemy's plans in a week. he's congratulating the ukrainian military on their battlefield advances. on the civilian volunteers for the efforts they put in to defend neighborhoods and towns across the country, and go from ordinary ukrainians as well. for standing up to the russian occupiers. that as the russian bombardment of tanks and cities across the country continues. russia's assault on ukraine continues without mercy. this is what is left of the university in kharkiv. the country's second city. amid a pounding of civilian areas. in the port city of mariupol, also the scene of heavy shelling, local officials say hundreds of casualties are now
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feared. the united nations has confirmed more than 200 civilians killed across ukraine in the week since the invasion began. the figure is much higher. do you think those figures would scare people off the streets. but look at this town. a russian officer holds up two grenades, after delivering an ultimatum, demanding surrender. shame on you, the angry crowd shouts. just go back to where you came from. minutes later, the local mayor sets out russia's terms. if we start resisting, they will shell the city, he tells the crowd. but if you vote for it, we will
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fight back. the decision has to be taken by everyone because the artillery is aimed at us, he warns. across ukraine, there continue to be courageous acts of civilian defiance against the russian occupiers. this was a scene in the southern town, now under russian control. locals literally lying in front of these military vehicles to resist. there's resistance on the battlefield, too. russian officials admitting nearly 500 of their own soldiers have been killed so far. ukrainians say they think it is closer to 6,000. either way, the human cost of this war is already tragically high. erin, there are hopes tonight of some kind of diplomatic break through in the sense that a second round of talks between
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ukraine and russia have been announced, have been scheduled for tomorrow in neighboring belarus. but those hopes are very, very thin indeed. >> matthew chance, thank you very much. i want to go now to retired army general, with the seventh earl. he spent a lot of time in ukraine. and the secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and eurasia. thank you so much for you both being back. general, when you look at the strategically important city of kherson and it is under russian control. let me show everyone the map of where russian troops now are. it doesn't mean they control all of it fully but you're getting closer. you see kharkiv is not fully in the red but right there as the battle continues. what does the capture of kherson tell you. >> can i first address matthew's
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reporting just now? it is infuriating to me to watch these so-called russian soldiers, this scum, these barbarians, these terrorists go after civilian targets. they are afraid to go after the ukrainian military. they're concerned about that so they have these stand-off attacks. these cowardly actions, and they continue to wreak a scorched earth policy on ukraine. going to your question about the map, i mentioned earlier, just because a map has red area over the top of it does not may not the russian forces control that area. when you look at that map, that is a very long area. it is 500 mails between o'dessa and mariupol. there are 400,000 civilians in their population when they are all there. this is early in the fighting. the russians are cowards and ukrainians are extremely
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courageous will they may hold the city today. they may have some things that they've got against the mayor and the population. but i'm convinced the ukrainian people will be back to fight them in guerrilla groups. we've been used to insurgencies over the last couple years with the u.s. military but this will be guerrilla warfare and it will be deadly to the russian occupier. >> and it is clear to everyone we spoke with that it will be that. and that there are many in ukraine who prepared for that. even those not formally in the military. they were prepared for guerrilla warfare and an insurgency that may happen here. let me ask you. when i look at this, you see a country of 44 million people. a few million have probably fled in recent days, right? i think the numbers out there underestimate the reality. you still have a huge country. these cities are full of people, even though many have left, right? and you see the russians coming in, bombing apartment buildings,
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cars, schools, all over civilian areas, looting banks, taking fad. and this is, this is on day seven. >> right. i'm incredibly worried. what the russians are doing is as the general that, cowardly. they are using these huge indiscriminate weapons including thermal baric weapons including what was used in chechnya. they were not used. but he had no problem literally bombing the city to dust. tell u.n. after the war called it the most destroyed country -- city on the planet. and he used those weapons in syria as well. i'm afraid, it is not only cowardly. it may be a sign that he doesn't have the ability. i guess his military can't get out of the tanks and trucks and
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go fight the ukrainian military because perhaps their supply lines are stretched too far. i don't know. but this is a very dangerous situation that we're in right now. i'm not super optimistic about the talks you mentioned coming up but obviously we have to try to prevail upon the citizens of russia. >> so general, let me ask but the situation hear. it's cold. as everyone knows. it had been a lot of rain in reason days, as we all experienced it there. there is now expected to be significant snowfall for the first time on the eastern part of ukraine. six to eight inches. so significant snowfall in a lot of the places where this is happening. given that this is a war that is like something we saw 70, 80 years ago, right? tanks, fighting, how significant
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is that weather? >> well, what i'll say is, it is a combination of things that all contribute to the human factor of war. you not only have the cold, the rain, the snow, the weather conditions. you have this constant shelling of the civilian population which is not only deadly from the standpoint of a kinetic attacks but also, psychologically damaging. when you're under that much shelling repeatedly for long periods of time. when you think you're in a safe spot like an apartment or a school or a hospital, the places that the russians are bombing. it takes a psychological factor and it really impairs those who are on the receiving end of that ammunition. the unfortunate thing about it, that fatigue combines with the cold and the psychology. and there is an old expression that fatigue makes cowards of us all. it is amazing to me to watch the
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ukrainian population and army to fight under these conditions. they're used to the snow. that's not a big deal. they're used to the cold. it is the other factors contributing to that that will really make it difficult in this ge guerrilla war. >> those air raid sirens go off in the middle of the day, in the middle of the night. there is this constant adrenaline and fear for all of them even in places that are not being directly shelled like the places further east. so ellen, when you look at what you're seeing in terms of the looting. what is that signal to you about the status of the russian military? >> yeah. so i'm going to answer your question but i want to make a quick point to say, what the ukrainians are doing is resisting. i think a better term for them would be resistance rather than insurgency or guerrillas. they are resisting an operation
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force. it is like those resisting the german occupation in world war ii. so a quick aside. but what the looting is telling me is again, the point that i kind of made about logistics. these russian forces have been sent out, strung out on a long line of operation, as the general would say, without sufficient resupply. they don't have apparently, not only do they not have fuel. they know these vehicles are breaking down already in russia. they don't seem to have sufficient food. that would really impact your morale. especially if you were a conscript soldier. >> i'm going to add to that if i could. i think she's exactly right. it does indicate some major logistics problems. we've been seeing it since the start campaign. i would add to this, it really points to the discipline of the russian military. these folks have no discipline as a soldier and they are not even one step up from a criminal. they are a criminal and they are
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terrorizing ukrainian people. this war is for nothing. >> thank you both very much. i should put on the front, you have millions and millions of people and all sorts of food issues. grocery stores, hard to find things open. even a much broader crisis looming as you think about this. next, we'll take you to the border of ukraine where families have been torn apart. >> now i just can't make any plans. i don't know when i will see my family again. >> the white house saying it is very open to banning russia's oil. what in the world does that mean? very open to banning it? they haven't done it yet? and the u.s. warning, putin is moving controversial weapons into ukraine. cluster bombs. vacuum bombs. a special report on these weapons and how deadly they are. she'll say she's got goals.
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the united nations has reported more than 934,000 refugee rivals from ukraine in the past week. the majority of these refugees have fled to poland in search of safety. but there is that whole border of ukraine, yugoslavia, hungary. it come as the united nations is warning putin's invasion could lead to the largest refugee
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crisis this century. evan watson is out front. you've seen the refugees, traveling out of ukraine to those western borders including where you are tonight. desperately trying to get out of ukraine. what is the situation like on the ground where you are? >> reporter: look on, this side of the border in hungary, it was a very ordered process for bringing people in and the refugees were being welcomed by hungarians. and that's all the more remarkable when you consider this mass of humanity that is moving toward these borders of people who are homeless and their lively hoods have been completely uprooted. as you pointed out, the high commission of refugees, they're predicting this number could swell to 4 million refugees from ukrainian by july. and they're warning that since many of the, the majority of
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these refugees are women and children, they're worried they could be vulnerable to sexual exploitation and gender-based violence. the train to safety arrives 20 minutes late. rolling across the border from ukraine, loaded with civilians. all threeing the world's newest war zone. this train brought hundreds of refugees to safety here in hungary. the united nations says more than 800,000 people have fled across ukraine's borders in just six days. it is a carefully managed procession. families emerging one by one. he is patriots from south asia and africa and of course, ukrainians. each handed a solidarity ticket. a free seat on another train to the hungarian capital where more help waits. >> help them with traveling, with food, wi-fi, and all
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necessary things. even with hotels. >> reporter: among the new arr arrivals, this mother, her child and their cat. they complete the kyiv on the first day of the invasion. >> two days ago, i was thinking that this war is going to finish just in a few days and we won't need to leave ukrainian. now i just can't make any plans. i don't know when i'll see my family again. >> reporter: the ukrainian refugees are almost all women and children. absent here, husbands and fathers, men of fighting age, ordered to stay behind to defend the country. >> you're going to ukraine now. >> sure. >> reporter: alexander was on a
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trip when russia invaded. now she is going back in to collect her children. >> my husband insists that i protect my children. i take to may son, to my niece. i go to europe where my friend is waiting for us and stay in ukraine to protect our country. >> reporter: and he is also back in kyiv defending the city against vladimir putin's invasion. what would you tell people in russia? >> i will tell them just get rid of your president. he is insane. >> reporter: safe, but now uprooted. with no idea if and when these people can ever go home. >> ivan, when i was at the ukraine-hungarian border, as you drive into hungary where you are, at rest stops, you could tell who the refugees were. they were exhausted. they were in groups.
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primarily women and children. and the hungarians were very welcoming, that voice breaking thing that people feel. it is so interesting that this is all in the same country that literally built a wall several years ago to stop refugees from coming into their country. their response now is so different. >> reporter: it is 180-degree turn. i was at that wall if 2015 when migrants and refugees were being kept out on a serbian-hungarian border. it is striking. it may be in part due to the fact that the sight of tanks rolling into ukraine has opened wounds that hungary has long had from decades of soviet occupation and the violent crushing of an uprising in 1956 with soviet tanks here in hungary. and that seems to have had a seed change in public opinion
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here. for hungarians, might add, that elections are just a many away. and even the right wing prime minister here who has run on a sharply anti-immigrant platform for years, he is welcoming ukrainian refugees right now. >> thank you so much for that report. next, germany seizing one of the world's largest yachts owned by a russian billionaire according to forbes. a $600 billion yacht. do you see it there? two helicopter pads, a beauty salon, a gym. i'm going to take you inside a bomb shelter underneath the synagogue. people are humpingering down as air sirens go off around them. do your eyes bother you? my eyes feel like a combo of
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largest producer. you take it out of the market, it will cause the price to go up. the u.s. on average imports about 672,000 barrels last area. so that's $75 million a day. all of that money could be used to killing ukrainian civilians. the white house deputy national security adviser for international economics is here. obviously, $75 million a day on average last year. that number has come way down, of course, but what are you waiting for? >> good evening. when it comes to energy prices, let me back up and remind, in terms of the guiding principles for our sanctions, we try to maximize the costs on the target and minimize the impact on americans. so we don't have a strategic interest in reducing global energy supplies. that would only increase prices at the pump for americans and
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pad putin's profits. that's why the president said last night in the state of the union, we're excepting energy payments from our financial sanctions. where we do have a straeg interest is in degrading and down grading russia's status as a leading energy supplier. that's why we took aim and shut down nord stream 2. that's why we're sending is lick by fade gas to europe . we are looking at ways to cut u.s. consumption of russian oil while still maintaining the global supply of energy. >> so this is a big conversation. i want to ask you one more question. you raise a really important point. when you sanction the second largest energy producer, there is less oil. so they're getting more money for the oil they are able to sell. and will i can't tell if i'm buying oil, whether it came from russia or somewhere else. it is just the black drippy stuff. so if they can find a way to get
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it out, they're now getting $110 a barrel versus say, 40. so they can sell a lot less and get a lot more money. so how many are the sanctions hurting them? they are the second oil producer in the world. we've seen the princess for every barrel they send out surge. >> i'm not going to get into the specifics of what we have in mind but there are ways to cut our consumption of russian oil while keeping kconstant the supply. that's our goal. that's consistent with putting the pain to putin and making sure americans don't pay for it at the pump. but let me say, the president was clear last night. when dictators don't pay a praise for their aggression, they cause more chaos and the cost and the threats to the american people and people all over the world continue to go up. so this is a moment for american resolve and we must put debilitating pain on putin for his tragic choices.
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please, go ahead. >> i want to ask but the oligarchs. i know you sanctioned putin. that's obviously important to do. but questionable impact because he's not exposed overseas but his oligarchs are. one of them was sanctioned by the european union on monday. there he is in that picture with putin. they've seized his most prized possession. it was docked in hamburg. who knows what they were doing. it is a 512-foot yacht. custom built. valued at nearly $600 million. it requires a crew of 96 to even sail this thing. the germans have seized it. is the united states prepared to do more like this, in new york and florida and taking it away from them? >> absolutely. absolutely. today, merrick garland, our attorney general, officially stood up the doj task force.
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the perfect is called klepto-capture. it is meant to hunt down and seize physical assets, luxury cars and apartments. and they'll use the most cutting edge cryptocurrency to get the job done. i would say along with that announcement, we broadly intense identified our strategy of putting debilitating pain to putin. we sanctioned 22 more russian defense companies that are powering the russian war machine. we tightened the vice grip on russia's economy by preventing russian exporters from defending the ruble. his war chest of foreign reserves is now essentially worthless. the ruble is worth less than a penny. this pain will continue to intense faye for putin's strategic choices which will be a failure. >> i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thanks. next, we'll take you to a
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breaking news. the u.n. says it has recorded more than 750 civilian casualties in ukraine since the invasion began. that's not a real number. they don't pretend that it is. they say it is a lot higher and it certainly is. the tragedy is we don't even know. we showed you the russian attacks on an apartment building. we can't even tell you how many died there. nobody knows right now. putin is targeting more civilian sites with deadly strikes. now, our cnn crews across the country have spoken with ukrainians including some about 100 miles south of kyiv who are sheltering in a makeshift bomb shelter under a synagogue. sam kyley is there. sam, i know you're outside the capital of kyiv. tell me what the situation is
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like. >> reporter: well, erin, throughout most of the night there have been regular air raid sirens played out across the city, apart from our lights at the lowest possible level, it is a blackout. residents have been told to stay behind blackout curtains. that's because this town was hit on the very first day of the russian air strikes against ukrainian. it is a particular irony for some people here because, of course, part of the justification for vladimir putin's invasion of this country is what he calls denaziification. yet it is a pilgrimage center for jews around the world. many come in for the jewish new year every year. traditionally, there is the biggest synagogue in europe, they say, here. and it is underneath that synagogue, erin, that people in
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the center of town have been hiding, whether they're jew or gentile, from the danger that putin has threatened them with. two days ago, there was some kind of air strikes or rocket strikes, we're not sure which, again, on the outskirts of town. there is a significant military base here. there is also an air field and there is a strong expectation that this town could be next in line if kyiv falls. it may in the end lose kyiv but they won't have lost the war. they may lose that battle and this is likely to become a fallback position for the future. but particularly strong sense of solidarity here between the jewish community and other ukrainianians here. >> when you think about the complex, often very dark but complex history ukrainian has. with the history in world war
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ii. you spoke to them. they either weren't able to get out in time or are now choosing to stay even through this. what are they telling you? >> reporter: well, i spoke to them in the shelter. in fact, it has been turned into a makeshift shelter underneath that synagogue about 24 hours after there was damage done to the memorial to the 30,000 plus jews murdered in kyiv as part of an attempt to eradicate the population of kyiv in september, 1941. of course, many tens of thousands were executed after that. and this is what the nonjewish lawyer for the jury community said of that strike and the denounceification from putin. >> all the community, everybody, every person was shocked. we know that the first day of
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the war, 24 of february, they were invited the first day. so everybody shocked, and especially after yesterday, the bomb came. i don't know even how to explain the state of the community. >> reporter: now people are very angry, very frightened. the resident community of jews has gone down from about 500 to about 50. there are others being accommodated who have fled kyiv in the predominant jewish hotels including the international community and the red cross. >> sam, thank you very much. next, growing fears putin is about to escalate the brutality of his war. horrific attacks against civilians. there's video of russian troops moving banned weapons into ukrainian. we have a special report next. c,
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breaking news. the international criminal court is beginning a war crime investigation into russia's invasion in ukraine. it comes as the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. says russian forces are moving. vacuum bombs into ukraine which are banned by the geneva convention. these are banned weapons. so tom foreman is out front to tell what you the weapons are, what they look like and the devastation that they are designed to inflict. >> reporter: a massive blast lighting the sky and scorching the ground. military analysts can't say precisely which weapons russia is using but this has some convinced moscow is stepping up the conflict in a terrible way. >> my guess is that that's a thermal weapon. that's a fuel air explosive. very, very devastating weapon.
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>> reporter: a cnn team spotted launchers for thermoberic bombs near the ukrainian border. they have two blasts, the first rapidly filling the air with fuel vapor, the second igniting it with catastrophic effect, make something victims feel as if the air is being sucked from their lungs. daniel wasserbly is with international defense review. >> say you have people hiding in basement or behind walls. they're not protected against something like this. aerosols c and everybody dies an awful death. >> reporter: they're pointing to debris that they're launching cluster bombs, missiles that crack open in the air flinging dozens of powerful explosives in all directions. >> if you were driving in your car and this landed on the roof of your car, you and your car would be done for. >> reporter: so far analysts say many of the russian strikes appear to have involved common
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munitions such as targeted cruise missiles. but civilian sites have been hit either by design or accident and u.s. officials expect worse. >> the numbers of civilians wounded and killed will only grow in the days ahead. >> reporter: had which brings us to that stalled russian convoy near kyiv. filled with artillery pieces, long a favorite tool of russian generals. analysts believe if those weapons get moving again and are placed around the city, they could rain devastating fire on military and civilian targets alike. some of these weapons kill so easily and indiscriminate natalie, many countries pledged to never use them. and russia says it has not used them in this battle. but then, erin, russia has said a lot about what it's doing in ukraine, much of which has proven to be untrue. >> the fact they said they weren't going to go in there to
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begin with. thank you very much, tom foreman. i want to go to paul colby, former chief of the cia, he served in the cia for 25 years and was stationed in the former soviet union. paul, when you think about a th thermoberic weapon, the one with the rectangle in the front of it. our crews saw that on the border. that is the sort of thing that, you know, what is happening right now in ukraine and all the cities is the air raid sirens and everyone going into the basement. i can tell that you everyone goes in the basement. they're crowded. it's incredibly crowded when you go down there. those are the with thweapons th would kill every single person in a basement. what does it say to you that they're there? we've seen them. they're there. hasn't been used at this point. but it's in the country. >> we don't bring kit along you don't intend to use. the prospect of using these type of weapons whether cluster munitions or vacuum weapon in a
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civilian area is horrific to think about and should shock the conscience of the entire world. >> so as you say you don't bring kit you don't intend to use. the that means it's clear putin is intending from the very beginning to inflict horrific pain or civilians. that's what these are for. these are for mass civilian casualties. >> well, look, we've seen putin already use cluster munitions in kharkiv and there is evidence that has shown up afterwards. we know the playbook used in chechnya when grosny was leveled with artillery leveling block by block by block until the city was a wasteland. that's how he ended that insurgency. the prospect of that being used in ukraine, because of the frustration of not being able to win a quick victory, really is disturbing and really should
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cause everyone pause and everyone to recommit to supporting ukraine in its fight. >> yeah. thank you very much, paul. i appreciate your perspective. and next, we have breaking news. we're just getting video in of a large explosion in the ukrainian capital. we're going to tell what you we're learning about it right after this.
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breaking news, the new video that we're getting in of what happened in kyiv. a massive explosion taking place just after we spoke to matthew chance this hour. you can see it there. that is what literally just happened in kyiv. it's in the past, say, half hour, 40 minutes. you can see a fireball lighting up the sky. the attack coming after the ukrainian president who was there in kyiv in a bunker while
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zelenskyy releasing a message from there saying more and more occupiers fleeing back to russia, from you, for all that drive out the enemy with javelins and helicopters, everything that shoots. i wish you help, ukrainians, strong and kind but not to the enemy. what has become now daily post from the ukrainian president who is standing so firmly. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts right now. day eight of russia's war in ukraine, it's about to dawn on a country that has already been severely tested. the latest a few moments ago with two new large explosions heard in kyiv. so it begins again. tonight. yet no matter what russia drops on them or tries to take from them, ukrainians simply refuse to give an inch. that does not go -- that goes not just for men and women in it uniform, but also for ordinary people
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