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are you a christian author with a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! this is "don lemon tonight" and here's our breaking news. fire burning at this hour at the giant zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in southeastern ukraine after an assault by russian forces. the plant spokesperson telling cnn it could result in a nuclear accident but radiation levels are currently normal. only one power generation unit out of six is operational. we've got new video tonight posted to social media of the horrific aftermath of deadly russian military strikes on chernihiv, on a chernihiv apartment complex. cnn has geolocated and verified the authenticity of the video.
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hi, kaitlan. michael, horrific video posted on social media. it's showing the aftermath of that russian airstrike that hit an apartment complex in chernihiv. a woman is heard screaming in that video. "kids. little kids" is what she's saying. so many civilians are victims of this war. even targeted. that's according to u.s. officials, correct? z >> yeah, exactly. don, that is so hard to watch. you know, russia denies it's targeting civilian infrastructure or civilians in general. but look at that. i mean, just look at it. listen to it. the pain in the voices that you hear there. this is a civilian target. it is horrific level of damage too. whatever missile is involved there. it was a big one. maybe it was multiple. we're still trying to find out. and we're still trying to find out the casualties. but you see clearly in the video there are casualties. this has been the big fear all along, don, that russia's
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advance in this country, they probably thought they do do it a lot easier than they did. they haven't. they've been held up. the ukrainians have fought back. they've fought hard. and then the russians go to their playbook. and we've talked a lot about what they did in grozny, in chechnya, what they did in aleppo in sipyria. they just go all out. they will bomb places into the stone age. and that is the big fear here, that because putin's going to be frustrated at the lack of progress of his military that he's going to turn to that playbook, that he feels he's got nothing to lose in a way given how the world has turned and united in opposition to him and sanctioned him like no one's ever been sanctioned before. the pain for russia of those sanctions is enormous. but what has it done? has it stopped it? no. have a look at that video again. we're worried of course about kyiv. the biggest city. the capital in this country. russians, you know, moving up around it. will they do the same thing?
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bomb, shell, you know, soften it up for an entry into that city. it is just horrendous to look at that and imagine that this is happening anywhere, but it's happening here. >> michael, i want to talk to you about that nuclear power plant in ukraine that is on fire tonight. a top ukrainian official saying that the russian army has been firing from all sides on the plant. are you learning anything there on the ground? >> yeah, well, hopefully things aren't as bad as they initially appeared. as you've been pointing out, this is europe's largest nuclear power plant. i think it's one of the top ten in the world in zaporizhzhia. six reactors at that facility. apparently only one is up and running at the moment. and that's probably a good thing. and yeah, you reported and anderson spoke to a plant spokesman who said that the fighting has now eased for now. and as you keep saying, and it's the most important thing to say, what we don't know is important.
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what we do know is the ukrainian emergency services say the fire was in a training building. it's not a reactor. ukraine is telling the iaea that there is no change in radiation levels. they say the fire hasn't affected essential equipment, plant personnel working on what they are calling mitigating actions, and that firefighters are there. obviously, there are still concerns for the safety of the plant overall. and as your experts have been saying, if cooling is interrupted for the reactors, for example, that would be a very big deal. you know, and as we've been saying, your mind goes to 1986, chernobyl, the disaster in this country. it's outrageous and intensely disturbing that there is fighting around any nuclear reactor. and you can see the incoming fire. that is outrageous. the other thing too, don, if for some reason this plant has to shut down it supplies a fifth of
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this country's electricity. and you can imagine the massive impact that would have on the lives of millions of ukrainians. >> absolutely. to the white house now. kaitlan, i know the white house is monitoring. what's the response tonight? >> yeah. watching this very closely. obviously very concerned and wanting to assess what the impact of this could be. and we should note that within, you know, very quickly of these reports coming in of the shelling happening, of the fire that was happening here president biden was on the phone with ukrainian president zelenskyy talking about this. after this we did hear from two white house officials who said they don't believe there are elevated levels of radiation. of course that is the number one concern as soon as we heard the reports of this, the concerns about what this could mean. right now they're still monitoring it. not only did president biden speak with president zelenskyy but the energy secretary, jennifer granholm, also spoke with the energy minister there, her counterpart, to talk about this. she said they activated the nuclear response here, basically keeping an eye on what is going on to make sure that they can monitor it because of course the devastating impacts that could
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happen here if something were to go wrong are huge. and that is with why the white house was so quickly monitoring this. we should note it wasn't just president biden getting on the phone to president zelenskyy. the british prime minister has spoken to him tonight, talking about what the dramatic effects of something like this going wrong could be. but for right now they are tamping down concerns about elevated levels of radiation and say they do not see that so far, don. >> kaitlan, i know the president spoke with president zelenskyy, our president, biden spoke to president zelenskyy. zelenskyy is pleading with the west for more help. here's part of what he said earlier. >> if you don't have the strength to provide a no-fly zone, then give me planes. would that not be fair? >> so i know that the white house announced more sanctions today, kaitlan. but what about nato supplying planes? >> we haven't heard anything about planes exactly of what they would send in that sense. we know they're still working on sending defense and sending
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lethal aid to ukraine. that is something that yesterday they said they were still able to get across the border. it's become a lot more challenging to get that assistance to kyiv than it was just about a month ago when they could easily fly things into kyiv. remember the pentagon was posting pictures of the aid that they were sending there. that is not as easy now as it was then. but there is still hope because they still can get it there. what they're really focusing on not so much as that, they're sending those anti-aircraft, the stinger missiles. those are the ones that we were talking about that they sent hundreds of them just in the last several days alone. i think 200 on monday. those are ones that they believe can be pretty effective here because it only takes really one person to launch one. you launch it from the shoulder. it's a heat-seeking missile they believe they can use to take down aircraft. it either forces the aircraft to fly higher or they can easily take down russian aircraft. so that is what they've been talking about so far. they've ruled out the no-fly zone. they haven't said anything about sending planes to ukraine. of course that would -- just raises a question of whether or not that is a step they're
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willing to take, as what we saw at the beginning of this show. the bombings and the videos that you're seeing, of the civilian infrastructure that russia is targeting where you don't see any ukrainian military in that area. these are civilian apartment buildings and orphanages and kindergartens that we've been talking about with u.s. officials. so whether or not that changes the united states response, that remains to be seen. but you are right. that does come as today they did announce more sanctions today at the white house on russian oligarchs, on putin's personal spokesperson, dimitri peskov. whether or not there are more added to that list remains to be seen in the coming days. >> thank you, kaitlan. thank you, michael. and you're right, that video, it's horrific and it is hard to watch. we appreciate both of you joining us. now i want to bring in cnn military analyst and retired air force colonel cedric leighton. colonel, thank you so much. the fighting deadly enough. now this plant is on fire. the local mayor is blaming it on russia. the foreign minister tweeting that russia -- russian troops were firing on the plant from all sides. why on earth would any military
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be targeting near a nuclear power plant? >> no military, don, in their right mind would target a nuclear power plant. but the plant here at zaporizhzhia is the plant that as michael mentioned is the number one plant, the largest plant in europe, and it's one of the top ten plants in the world. that is in fact true. this plant is an older plant from the 1980s, and then it had some refurbishment done in the 1990s. but regardless of how big it is, where it is, any nuclear power plant is absolutely off limits for any military that is legitimate and is carrying out a legitimate mission. >> we don't know what the dang is here. but how could something like this change the shape of this battle for ukraine? >> so when you look at where zaporizhzhia is, right here, this basic -- this basic area right here is right in the middle of where the russians are moving from the south.
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so they are going into this area and they're moving generally in this direction, which is toward kyiv. and if i pull up here and go to the bigger map of ukraine, we go from right here war zaporizhzhia is, and you can see there's a direct line this way toward kyiv. now, let's look at where the russian troops are. and you look here we have where zaporizhzhia is, right in this area, you have what's happening in the south right here. you have what's happening in the east here. but what's important here is what's going on around kyiv. so you have two movements. where we have our famous convoy that we've talked about for several days now. the 40-mile-long convoy. that's in that arrow right there. but what is also important, and this looks very much like a pincer movement, is this right here. it's like a scorpion reaching toward kyiv at the moment, and this is a very dangerous part because when you look at what is
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going on here this could easily be the beginning of the encirclement of kyiv at this particular point. >> you know, colonel, again, it's unbelievable to watch that video that we have been seeing and the fact that they're doing what they're doing near a nuclear power plant. ukrainian forces saying that they have destroyed 20 russian vehicles that were part of that convoy near hostomol air base near kyiv. the longer that convoy sits there, does it become a sitting duck? >> it actually can because in fact this is hostemol which you just spoke about, don, right here. and it can actually become a sitting duck. and if you look at where the convoy actually is right here you see starting at their northern point in this area and going down this way to the southern point, which is antonov airport.
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it is pretty much stationary because of fuel supply issues, food supply issues, you know, potential personnel issues. those kinds of things are going on right there. and as a sitting duck. of course it could be a very difficult thing for the russians to move forward. but this is going to be their bridgehead. this is what they're using. this airport right here is what they're using to launch further attacks into kyiv, and that is why the convoy is important. but we can't forget that at the other end of this is this part right here. this is the most dangerous part that we need to look at because we've got people coming in this way and we've got people coming in this way on the russian side. and the target is obviously kyiv at this point. >> colonel, thank you. appreciate it. >> you bet, don. >> you saw that new video of that horrific aftermath of ai deadly russian military strike on an apartment complex. but the horrible reality the world sees really in ukraine is something the russian people
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as russia is pounding ukraine cities, destroying whole neighborhoods and apparently intentionally targeting civilians, the world is getting a very clear picture of the total destruction the russian military is leaving in their wake. but what are russians being told about the war in ukraine? cnn's nic robertson has the story. >> [ speaking foreign
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language ]. >> reporter: on russia's state tv audiences are only being told watt kremlin wants them to know about the war in ukraine. this new russian army video shows troops handing out humanitarian aid. they claim russian forces are giving civilians safe passage from the fighting. a message reinforced in president putin's latest state tv speech. >> translator: our military have provided corridors in all areas of combat action. >> reporter: the terrible reality the rest of the world sees, shelling of civilians, suffering, death and destruction, never gets aired on russian state tv. and many russians believe their government that the war was forced on them by ukraine, backed by nato. >> translator: i know the truth. this was a forced measure on our side. after what russia went through
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in world war ii it's madness to believe we want war. i see what's on tv when i'm getting ready for work. we try not to get too involved in it because we've got enough of our own problems. >> reporter: some do care enough to reach beyond state tv. but even then they're not convinced by what they see. >> translator: yes, i have heard that some civilians, even children, have died. but i'm not sure i can believe it because there is fake news. they are making money. >> reporter: obedient anchors on state tv never question the kremlin's version of facts and reinforce its tropes about dede naziification. no mention that president zelenskyy is jewish or missiles near a holocaust memorial in kyiv. even so many younger russians see through their government's lies, get their news from
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friends, independent and social media. >> almost all of us are understanding this thing, that there is a lot of lie around. so we do not know what's happening. >> translator: i think this is a crime. an aggression against a neighboring country. our government invaded. now they are killing people. >> it's awful. what can we think about it? normal people understand everything. but we can't do anything. because we're afraid, like everyone else. >> reporter: the government is so worried independent media could challenge their narrative, in the past few days it shut down two outlets and is right now preparing a law that would criminalize what it calls fake media. it could carry a maximum 15-year jail sentence. despite the kremlin's best efforts at controlling the narrative, many russians have taken to the streets, angered by putin's war.
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more than 7,500 people arrested so far. including this elderly lady at a protest in st. petersburg wednesday. and no surprise, this video has yet to be shown on state media. >> there is nothing more dangerous for president putin in russia today than the truth. armed with evidence of what is happening in ukraine, many russians may reconsider their relationship with him. and that could challenge his rule. nic robertson, cnn, moscow. >> all right, nic, thank you very much. joining me now, ambassador william taylor, the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. ambassador, appreciate you joining us. i have to first ask you about this fire at europe's largest nuclear power plant after it was shelled in ukraine. aside from the shock that something like this even happened, are there options diplomatically in an event like this? communication, backchannels to russia, for example?
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>> well, there have to be direct channels to russia, don. and the ukrainians just today had some of those direct channels in their conversations that talked about humanitarian corridors. so they made some progress. the ukrainian sxtz rand the rus got together on the belarusian-ukrainian border. this would have been a perfect topic and it is a perfect topic, there's no reason it can't be taken up, this is the kind of emergency, this is the kind of disaster in the making that both sides have a lot to agree on on how to solve it. the russians need to pull back. their firefighters need to be able to get there. and they need to be able to address this fire. >> ambassador, whether it is, you know, this nuclear power plant or the huge destruction in several ukrainian cities where residential areas have been hit, russian attacks look -- it looks totally indiscriminate. are you worried about this conflict getting completely out of control?
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>> absolutely. this is indiscriminate. it is killing women and children and innocent people in cities, downtown cities. don, we've talked about this before. this is a war crime. these clearly are perpetrated intentionally. these are not accidents. when it's directed at civilians and it's intentional, that's a war crime. and it can be addressed and that needs to be addressed starting with the humanitarian corridors. but the way to get to mr. putin is going to have to be direct. and as nic just reported, the direct route is likely to be russian people in the streets. >> yeah. i mean, the video -- as you were speaking, i don't know if we could please re-rack that video. as you were speaking, the video of what's happening in bodoryanka and the destruction, it is just unbelievable.
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and ambassador, for what? for what? >> that's -- don, that's exactly right. what is this for? how can he justify it? as we've said, he looked for a justification to be able to answer the question you just asked, for what. he couldn't find one. he couldn't get one. he talks about de-nazification. and you pointed out the president of ukraine is jewish. there is no rationale. he couldn't even get the ukrainians to give him a rationale. he couldn't provoke them. they were disciplined and didn't fall into the trap. so there is no answer to that question, why. there is no answer. the russian people will know it. the international community knows it. the people in europe know it. the russian people are learning that. anding two things. one, when their sons and daughters come back to be buried, they are going to be angry and demanding an answer to the question you just asked. number two, their quality of life, sad to say, but normal
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russians are going to pay for the sins, the decisions of president putin in their quality of life. when their ruble doesn't buy what it used to buy and they are not able to maintain what they had before, they will be angry. and they'll go to the streets. >> a french government source saying that putin indicated on a phone call with president macron that he intends to go all the way and take over all of ukraine and basically saying the worst is yet to come. how do you think this crisis ends? >> i think this crisis ends in a long grind, a long resistance, a continued resistance. i mean, ukrainians are resisting now. they will continue to resist. whatever the military outcome of the next week or two or three, the ukrainians will resist.
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they will either resist and the russians for whatever reason, because russians go to the streets or there's someone within the kremlin, there's a palace coup or whatever it is, that could be the resistance succeeding. or if he is able, if president putin is able to get to kyiv and president zelenskyy at the end has to move to the southwestern part of the country or whatever. he will continue to lead this. and that, don, is what i'm talking about is the long grind. that's the long resistance that ukrainians will put up. the ukrainians will not give in. >> you know, in the report that nic filed just before it ran, just before you were on, it is shocking to see some people can see through the lies but most of what russians are watching is really just pure propaganda. are you worried that could actually fuel support for putin's war within russia? >> i do. but i also thought nic's report was insightful. in particular, young people.
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they saw -- they are seeing through it. they are experiencing the pain of the economic sanctions already. the young people understand ways to get information. and they don't have to go through the government-controlled tv stations. they understand. and that will spread. that will spread. you cannot hide this from the russian people. >> thousands of russians have been detained for protesting in an effort to control dissent. two russian deputies put forth a draft bill that would force russians into military service in donbas if they protest the invasion. is that going to make russians afraid of speaking out? you said after this they may take to the streets, they may be demanding answers. but forcing them now, saying they've got to do it, is that going to perhaps change? >> that will probably reinforce the backlash that -- if you tell
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people, if you protest we're going to throw you in jail, if you protest we're going to make you go into the army, this will fuel the anger. this will fuel the dissent. this will fuel the protests. this will fuel opposition leaders taking to this issue. no, i think this will have a backlash if he tries to do this. you know, they can only oppress so much. when you get millions in the street, you can't have an effect. if you get tens of thousands, if you get a couple hundred here, then you can suppress. then you can oppress. but when you get hundreds of thousands, when you get millions in the street you can't stop that. >> ambassador taylor, thank you. i appreciate you joining us. >> thank you, don. >> ukrainian forces trying to hold back russians advancing toward kyiv in the north as fierce fighting explodes in the south. one city completely under siege as ukrainians desperately try to hold on.
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looting crippling life here. this russian soldier's bid to get into a cell phone store a sign of the lawless world they brought with them, where food and medicine is lacking. and what life is left made more unbearable by the laying of tripwire mines, local officials said. this one posted online to warn others. on the other side of russian-held crimea, mariupol under siege without water or electricity. the mayor saying the russian, quote, scum have found no other way to break us. the prize in the south is this. odesa. its opera house fortified, its coastline a harder task. where the tide could bring russians in with it yet still lapse as if nothing has changed.
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an estonian ship sank thursday east of here. its crew rescued with officials accusing russia of shelling it to act as cover for their landing ships. any hour now when the landing force could come irrevocably into view. odesa brims with locals ready, though, like so many here theepz civilian defenders don't want their whereabouts filmed but are happy to speak. zhennia is chief marketing officer for an i.t. company. he's traveled europe and africa but turned up to fight on day one. >> unfortunately, i have lost two two of my friends in kherson two days ago. >> reporter: i'm sorry. >> they also have been -- >> reporter: are they fighting in kherson? >> yeah, they were fighting. and they were in volunteer troop. so they have no military background at all. both of them are programmers. >> reporter: we're joined by
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lera, age 19, a nanny who fled russians in crimea when shoe wa 11. "we're ready to the end to defend our land," she said. "the occupiers came to my home before. my family are still there. only i could leave because i don't want to live in russia." across town mothers knit camouflage knitting while like nelya their daughters fight. hers staying behind to defend kyiv. >> we know the danger. we know that it will come. but we didn't know when will it come. and i asked them, children, come here, please, be safe. come to me. but they didn't want. no, mom, please stay alive, stay safe, but we will defend because everybody loves our -- everybody. sorry. sorry. everybody wants to be
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independent, to be free. they decided to stay there, and i can't influence their decision. but i pray every day, i pray every night for them to stay alive. >> reporter: the defiant words of the ukrainian soldiers of snake island, who told a russian ship where to shove it, echo here. >> [ speaking foreign language ]. [ bleep ]. >> sorry. >> russian ship, [ bleep ] you. it's the logo now in ukraine. >> reporter: they'll need more than high spirits in the days ahead. nick paton-walsh, cnn, odesa, ukraine. >> thank you, nick. brave citizens staying behind in ukraine to help the most vulnerable. i'm going to speak with one who is sheltering and feeding his fellow ukrainians in a city under attack.
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words alone can't convey the horror that vladimir putin is inflicting on ukraine. photos and video paint a more complete picture, one of resilience. ukraine's second biggest city kharkiv especially hard hit by putin's brutality. russian shells targeting government buildings, shops, schools and residential buildings, killing innocent
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people. but residents of kharkiv are not cowering in fear. this man waving the ukrainian flag in a city square. the owner of this bar and his friends gathering to cook, bag and deliver meals to local people. people who didn't ask putin to bomb their city but who are refusing to run. regular folks who want to go about their lives but now fight for survival. kharkiv residents who now have to wonder if a russian shell will destroy their homes or wonder what will happen to their loved ones and their beloved city. brave people who are sending a message to putin that they won't give up. the owner of the bar is bo bodin eurov who says the people of kharkiv are not afraid, they're angry. and bodan joins me now. thank you so much, sir. i appreciate it. you and your team have been delivering food and other aid to families and those who are afraid to leave their homes all
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over the city. we just showed some of these people, the pictures a moment ago. can you tell us how this all got started, please? >> well, it started kind of crazy. the first days were just constant shelling, everyone just running all around. and then trying to find some place to stay. and then there was this idea, like why don't we just transform the bar to some kind of shelter for our friends and neighbors? but then in like two or three days i got contacted by multiple guys, do you cook food, you have kitchen so why won't you help. subways, shelters. and then immediately we understood that there are dozens of different chats in telegram, whatsapp, viber, people from restaurants, from bar all around the city apparently help to feed different people. so now we feel like 1,500 people per day i suppose. something like this. but it's not only us.
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it's literally hundreds of different restaurants that do it for free. there are multiple like dozens of volunteers that ride all across the city and even when there is some shelling, you know, bombing you still need food because it's not only subways. for subways it's quite straightforward, you just cook like a few hundred kilograms of food and then deliver it in a single package. but at the same time we have some grandmas, grandpas that simply cannot afford to leave the house because they're too afraid. but yeah, in general -- >> that is understandable. but getting supplies in, i mean, that's not easy if at all. how long can you keep it up, especially with getting food? >> at the beginning it was straightforward. like we had supplies for the bar. like you know, you need to keep it just in case someone comes in. so just for typical workload. but it was quite obvious ha we are not going to reopen. so we've been using our supplies. and soon as we start ordering food we are contacted by
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different supermarkets so we just ordered directly. so for now it's -- mm-hmm. >> are you working with any bigger organizations, any defense forces, or is your team acting completely independently, bohdan? >> independently. so right now we're utilizing our supplies and we've got some money for the bar. so we're mostly utilizing it. it's completely independent. >> i just want to put up some of the videos for our viewers to see of you driving through the city. how do you feel driving all over a city that is under attack, bohdan? >> yeah, as i've said, the first days were crazy. but you literally get used. so eventually we tried to be in shelter every time we hear some bombs or airplanes. but on the third day it was quite obvious that we just cannot sit and wait. so it's either you sit all the time or you just ignore the bombs and drive.
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because we get like 20 minutes window before bomb. it's either you sit all the time or you just ride all around. so you need to get used. >> what are your feelings toward russia and toward putin? >> i mean, personally? well, it's like i'm also angry as well. right now we're not thinking about some -- we're almost thinking about how to feed local people. >> and how are you guys holding up? the people you're delivering to and you're seeing. >> i think actually quite good. it's much better than i have expected. like for everyone it was quite obvious that there's a war coming. you know, we've got it since 2014. but at the same time i see smiles. i see people still keeping strong. so what we try to help with is not allow people to panic. everyone believes that, yeah, there is a chance for us to just
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keep strong and eventually win. so it's not like everyone crying all around. yeah. >> are people able to see media accounts? can you -- are they watching the news there and what are they seeing if so? >> the primary source is telegram. like all city is using telegram to get their news. so we have hundreds of local groups. like literally one of those groups is like 500,000 people from kharkiv, sitting right together. so yes, everyone is watching it constantly. when i'm in shelter i can see like 20 people always on the phone because everyone is just continuously watching news. >> bohdan, thank you. you're a good man. we appreciate it. be safe, okay? >> thank you. >> thank you. we'll be right back. >> and thank you for -- >> yeah. ♪ i've been everywhere, man. ♪ ♪ crossed the deserert's bare, man. ♪ ♪ i've breathed the mountain air, man. ♪ ♪ of travel i've had my share, man. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere. ♪
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ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy condemning russia's attack on the nuclear power plant tonight. saying in a facebook post and i quote here, europe needs to wake up now. the largest nuclear power plant in europe is on fire now. russian tanks are shooting at the atomic blocks equipped with thermal imageers. they know what they are shooting at. they have been preparing for this. ukraine state of emergency services saying 40 firefighters are now tackling the blaze. president zelenskyy call ongoing the world to stop russian forces before this becomes a nuclear disaster. going on to say, there are 15 nuclear reactors in ukraine.
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if one of them blows, that is the end for everyone. that's the end of europe. all of europe will have to evacuate. immediate action must be taken to stop the russian army. don't allow the death of europe. stop this potential atomic catastrophe. people all over the world are watching as vladimir putin's brutal military assault on ukraine unleashes a humanitarian disaster. cnn's impact your world team has verified ways that viewers can help provide humanitarian aid. for more information on how you can help, go to cnn.com/impact. and thank you for watching. our live coverage continues. a free plan at fidelity,cre nina has a plan based on what matatters most to her. and she can simply focus on right now. that's the planning effect. from fidelity.
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this is cnn breaking news. hello and welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. i'm michael holmes coming to you live from lviv in western ukraine. and we do begin with the breaking news. firefighters have managed to extinguish the fire that had been raging at a power plant in ukraine following fighting between ukrainian and russian forces. a nuclear power plant. now, i am going to show you the video there. you can see it. this is from a little bit earlier. the bright light you see on screen is from a flair gun, and not gunshots or explosives although there was incoming fire. a spokesman for the nuclear power plant gave an update to our anderson cooper a little earlier. this was before the fire had been put out. >>
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