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observed in ukrainian people. you know, we have these inspirational figures in our micro lives. you know, i have extraordinary children that inspire me, an extraordinary estranged wife who inspires me daily. and then there's the macro inspiration of these great figures of history. meeting with president zelenskyy the day before the invasion and then meeting with him again on the day of the invasion, i don't know if he knew that he was born for this. but it was clear i was in the presence of something -- and again, i think reflective of so many ukrainians -- that was new, that was new to the modern world in terms of courage and dignity and love that comes out of the
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man. skp and the way he has unified that country. and i think mr. putin certainly added to paving the way to that. but this is such an extraordinary moment. and i was endlessly impressed and moved by him and terrified for him and for ukraine. >> i have never been in a country at war in which the people are so united, so determined. and, again, i mean, that word has become a cliché here, the determination. but the resolve here, elderly women, elderly men, children, everybody. the resolve to not only fight now but fight for however long and whatever happens. >> yeah, there is no question in my mind that this is not go to end soon no matter what because you will have a country of
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extraordinary insurgencies if putin is successful in this. >> when you left, you -- you walked across -- you ended up having to walk across the border like a lot of people. i mean, the -- i assume when you're stuck in that long line of cars and decided to just -- this is the way we've got to go? >> yeah, we had the luxury of being able to abandon a rented vehicle on the side of the road. so many of the -- almost all -- i mean, this was a startling thing to me. it was mostly women and children, some in groups and some just a mother and their child, almost all of those cars. in some cases, the father was dropping them off and returning because we know that from 18-60, men are not to leave. they're to stay in the resistance against russia. there was not -- i didn't see any luggage.
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it's as though they -- they wanted to believe they're going to be able to come back. >> i read an account you had been here to shoot a documentary on ukraine. but core, an organization you started, renamed after the earthquake in haiti. but you have really focused on haiti. you've also been doing lita lot work on covid and vaccinations and covid in the united states. so, core is working on the border in poland, and you hope to be working in ukraine? >> absolutely. we have -- we've already -- we're distributing hygiene tips. we're giving cash assistance, water to refugees as they come through. we're working out to bring our staff into the other side as well because you really have two kinds of struggles of the refugees, one, trying to get out of the country, and the other, figuring out what to do in a country -- you know, a lot of
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these people who were, plenty of them, well to-do left their jobs and bank accounts behind. and this is their new reality. so, yeah, we need assistance with core. and you know, we've never been very good at getting on the media front, which is ironic given i'm supposed to help that. when it comes to the cash at the core need to help people, but i definitely want to ask people to help us out. and i'm really proud of what our people are doing there. >> sean penn, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, anderson. today stay safe. >> if you want more information on sean's group, core, and how to help them or the work they're doing, text the word core to 24365 or go online to coreresponse.org. just ahead, the latest on the fighting and the russia to get ukrainians and other foreigner -- and foreigners who are living here out of the
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we're just past the top of the hour and we want to show you this hour what war looks and feels like at this hour right now. it becomes a blur, the coverage you see every night. but for the people going through this, every day is different because every day it is a new type of tragedy, a new type of surgery. right now a video of briton sky news of their correspondent being attacked near kyiv. this video is as close as you will ever come, hopefully, to being in a fire fight. the attack was allegedly by a russian saboteur reconnaissance squad. here's part of his report. >> what the [ bleep ].
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[ sound of gunfire ] [ bleep ]. >> we think it's a ukrainian check point, so we identify ourselves. >> we're just journalists. journalists. >> journalists. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: somehow we have to get out of this, but the rounds keep coming. it's a professional ambush. the bullets just don't miss.
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[ sound of gunfire ] >> oh! [ sound of gunfire ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> stop! journalists! >> reporter: i'm hit but escape. we make our way down the embankment. camera operator has taken two rounds to his body armor but are still stuck in the car. he runs for it in a hail of bullets. >> it's extraordinary that they are alive. stewart ram see was rounded. as a cameraman, as you heard, took two shots to his body armor. all are safe tonight.
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they are obviously journalists, civilians, non-combatants. there was no mistaking it. but as stewart ramsey says, they were professional. they didn't miss. russian attacks on civilian targets, likes of which we saw in aleppo. russia, he says appears ready to, quote, bombard cities into submission, which is why we think it's so important now for everyone, all of us, to see just what that entails, to not look away, as hard as it may be. this next video is part of that picture, the aftermath of a russian strike on an apartment complex north of kyiv where at least 33 people were killed and 18 were wounded according to ukrainian emergency services. the woman you're about to hear the screaming, kids, little kids.
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u.n., at least 331 civilians have been killed so far. that number could grow rapidly in the days ahead. cnn's clarissa ward joins us now from kyiv. do you see reporting that nato and u.s. believes russia is poised to bombard into submission. that is what it means. that is what is to happen in the days ahead. are there any signs that it is -- is there anything to prevent that? >> reporter: honestly, anderson, from what we're seeing at the moment, it doesn't appear that there's any potential exit ramp in the wings, so to speak. we do know that after the last round of talks that were held, there was some agreement about humanitarian corridors. we have not yet seen those implemented. we know that russian and ukrainian delegations are supposed to meet again over the course of the weekend to continue talks. but the reality is what we're
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hearing throughout the day is constant bombardment, particularly in the northwest. we know that there was a terrible strike yesterday, and you have seen that video. it's not the video you just sh showed, but it's a similar heartbreaking scene of massive destruction, a huge apartment building basically gutted. and emergency services say they think that up to 100 people would be trapped in that rubble, buried in that rubble. but they have no way to access it at the moment because the shelling is consistent and constant and because it is too dangerous for emergency workers to reach that area. so, i think what you start to realize is that we're just getting a snapshot. we're just getting a glimpse of the full scale of this crisis in terms of the civilian death toll.
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and that woman who was captured in that just horrifying moment, screaming that she had seen children who were killed. and then you hear a man's voice saying -- where? where are they? before he said -- which means, it's a pharmacy, like a drugstore. why would you blow up a pharmacy or a drugstore? that's just one window that we're getting in to the true civilian impact of this war, which is raging now, anderson, as you well know, in cities across this country. it's incredibly difficult for journalists, even those of us here on the ground, to really be able to effectively get the full picture because it is so difficult to move, because it is so dangerous out there. but what we're hearing during the day, what we're seeing through those videos that cnn is able to geolocate is really
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ominous and foreboding because what it appears to show is that day by day we are seeing less discrimination about hitting civilian targets, less concern about this -- this line that the russians would like to claim they're walking, which is striking military targets in a kind of very precision-type of operation with a specific and narrow purview. we see now, as the russian advance has been halted or stalled somewhat, that more and more civilian targets, apartment buildings, pharmacies, drugstores, schools, we've seen in the second city -- ukraine's second city of kharkiv. so, it gets uglier day by day, anderson. and my deep, deep fear is that we're going to see more videos like that and hear more reports of innocent people, including children, being killed in this onslaught. >> clarissa ward, i appreciate
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you being there. joining us now, russian prodemocracy leader. he recently tweeted this about the war. there is no waiting this out. this isn't chess. there is no draw, no stalemate. either putin destroys ukraine and hits nato with a greater catastrophe or putin falls in russia. he cannot be stopped with weakness. gary, you see that as the only path forward in your mind. you really don't think there's anything that can stop him in ukraine by ukrainians just by themselves? >> we don't know. ukrainians offered resistance. and what we're seeing now is putin's wrath. he's willing to conquer ukraine and two or three days, failed. i think putin's original plan was based on full assessment of russian strength and ukrainian strength. he believed he would enter kyiv in two or three days, install a puppet government, and then back
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to the negotiating table with the world. it didn't work out. and since his army's stopped and couldn't make any progress in the north of ukraine, some progress in the south, but, again, less than they wanted. the third largest city of ukraine, the hub of odesa, is still standing. and putin failed to land the troops there. so, putin returned to his favorite tactics, bombing people into submission. he mentioned aleppo. he mentioned genocide on a scale. so, he can continue these tactics. i think it is a message to the rest of the world. i can do whatever i want because i have nukes, and you will not interfere. >> i think it is dangerous for us to start this nuclear
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blackmail. putin will not stop at ukraine. he will test nato and nato territory. and those say we cannot impose no fly zone in ukraine because of the risks. obviously there's a confrontation with russia, it's a confrontation. so, how do you defend nato countries because these countries will be attacked by putin if he -- if he's strategy in ukraine prevails. >> i talked to an adviser of president zelenskyy today who said this is already world war iii. and i saw that you had tweeted also that you believe this is already world war iii. can you explain what that means? because obviously it is an incredibly startling phrase. >> yes. of course it sounds horrible because we all said world war iii, nuclear war. but it's all going on because putin is trying to take revenge for what he believes, as he said many times, the greatest
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catastrophe of the 20th century, collapse of the soviet union. and after so many year of escaping from any kind of punishment for his aggressive actions and crimes, never-ending crimes, he thought that would be the ultimate challenge for the free world. he understands that his army is no match for nato. but he believes in the political will. political will can compensate for his weakness. and the west, the free world, will not dare challenge him. and it's not just about ukraine. it's not about destroying this proud nation. it's not about killing civilians. it's about the entire future of our civilization because what kind of future we can expect if putin and other terrorists and dictators are watching him now will recognize all bets are off. how is international treaties and regulations and agreements and rule of law, it's all about
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the strength and your arrogance and your resolve to violate all the rules. so, that's why i believe it's already world war iii because it's about our future. and we are, by the way, fighting putin. economic sanctions, political isolation, technological blockade. we're already fighting him. and expecting that this fight will be limited to all means but battlefield, it's wrong. not that i want it. this is not a war of our choice. but we are being imposed to fight back. and every day that we delay our response, simply pushing the price up. and we can see this -- these horrible images from ukraine. more to come. it will get much worse because putin is not going to start. now you've seen kharkiv, the second largest city in ukraine. his assault on kyiv is imminent. this is a city of 3 million people. and god forbid seeing the images if russian troops enter kyiv. >> gary kasparov, i appreciate
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you coming on. thank you. coming up next, we're going to take you aboard a train taking children with serious medical conditions to safety and the care they need. later a physicist talking about plants after the russian assault, one plant closing in on another. at pulte, we build homes that think ahead to everything you'll need. like a dedicated office space with wi-fi for you to stay fosed. hard wired internet outletsfo. an oversed pantry? yes. with more space to fit everything. or, just enjoy more outdoor living. at pulte, we build homes that think ahead to tomorrow, so you can build the life you're dreaming of today. pulte homes. more life, built in.
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two rounds of talks between russia and ukraine have not produced much in terms of actual results. there's talk of humanitarian corridors for civilian in the conduct of the fighting so far, it is hard to imagine how this will work and their track record as well. i spoke about it earlier today with an adviser of ukraine's president. we talk about humanitarian corridors. when might that happen, and can you press russia to honor that? they don't have a good track record on humanitarian corridors.
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>> translator: the work on the logistics is in progress. we are developing routes for many cities. of course we cannot exactly trust the russian federation because its current tactics is aimed at spreading panic among people. this is achieved by destroying the civil infrastructure and evacuation points, limiting people's ability to get local benefit such as food, drink, and medical help. we believe this is where we need help from the international humanitarian organization, as they can take the role of a mediator and ensure the agreement from both sides is kept when it comes to organizing the humanitarian corridor. secondly, what is more important is the impression the from world leaders for mr. putin, to make him realize the cost of human life and realize the need for corridors during the war. >> would those corridors be permanent or just for a short amount of time? >> translator: unfortunately russians are not agreeing to
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cease fire in general. this is known. they're also not establishing permanent humanitarian corridors that would function both ways for supply and evacuation. as of now, our main aim is to agree to establish at least temporary corridors that will function only during certain hours and ensure the parties receive cease fires in the corridor when it's in use. let's say the corridor has been established. the shooting has been stopped for three hours so people can peacefully cross. and afterward the fighting can resume again. >> more than a million people have left the country. it is the most vulnerable who are, as always, at the greatest risk. arwa damon reports on some of the fortunate ones, who despite being seriously ill, manage to make it out. >> reporter: a train speeds through the darkness and crosses the ukrainian border into poland. most of these children are from hospices in and around kharkiv.
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it had the best palliative care for children in ukraine. now one of the area's most intensely bombarded. the sort of emotion that is too intense, too incomprehensible for words. but it is also filled with so much love, love among strangers seen in the tenderness of the touch of the medical team, the whispered words of, you are safe now. love of a mother who will dig up super human strength just to keep her child safe. >> hi victoria. hi. oh, look at that smile. >> victoria, who has cerebral palsy, can't sit up. her mother count know what to say. she has so much pain in her soul, her tears just won't stop. they had to get closer to the border with poland before this humanitarian trend could pick
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them up. era carried victoria for three days through the panic of others trying to flee, trains so packed she could not even put her down until now. this doctor worked to bring the families together inside ukraine to get on this train organized by the polish government and warsaw's central clinical hospital. it's a trip that could have killed any one of these children, even without a war. that reality had the medical team so understandably anxious, we were not permitted to film anything until the children were safely on board and stabilized. >> how old are you? five?
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>> while this train was heading toward safety, era heard that her town was bombed. >> era follows quietly as victoria is carried off the train. they are now away from their home that was filled with such love, a home and family that may no longer be. >> after -- i mean, what an extraordinary thing to have been on that train. after the families make it safely to poland, what happens to them? where do they end up staying? do the moms stay in the hospital
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with the children? >> yeah, they're being split up across the country actually. some will be in hospitals in warsaw, and some will be going to other places. and you know, anderson, it was extraordinary to be on that train and to witness just the courage and all of the emotion that was contained signed this space. and what the medical team is doing right now is planning for the next evacuation because according to what the doctors are telling us in the area of kharkiv alone, there were around 200 children who were in hospices receiving palliative care. and so they are greatly concerned for the well being of these children. and i have to tell you, for our entire team, looking at these mothers and realizing what it must have taken, what kind of courage and strength it must have taken to make this journey with their children physically carrying them through all those scenes that we saw, questions
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happening at the train station and overcrowded train cars. it's so extraordinary what people are capable of putting themselves through when they're trying to save the lives of their child. >> i know this a cliché, but if moms ruled the world, things would be a lot different. the strength of that mom who's getting just beeped on the phone when she calls back to a village that's been bombed and she can't reach her husband and her other children, and she's on this train hurdling in the dead of night with her daughter on the floor, jesus, it's just -- it's just awful. it's just awful. arwa damon, a appreciate it. thank you. we're going to take a look at how close the world was to a nuclear disaster last night. it was a crisis. that's ahead.
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new video of the facility, a nuclear plant taking fire from the russian army and catching fire. you're going to hear the voice of the translator, sam kylie, repeating the announcement being made by plant operator to russian forces trying to get them to stop shooting because of the danger. listen. >> he's saying, stop shooting immediately. you'll threaten the security of the whole world. the work of the vital organs of
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the zaporizhzhya may be disrupted and it will be impossible for us to destroy it. he goes on, you're endangering the security of the entire world. attention, stop shooting at the nuclear hazardous facility. stop shooting at a nuclear hazardous facility. stop shooting at a nuclear hazardous facility. attention, stop it. zbll terrifying sentences. stop shooting at a nuclear hazardous facility. russian troops are still inside and that staff are operating at gun point. now, i must say we have no way to independently verify the claims of the ukrainian officials. that's important to point out. however, the international atomic energy agency called the whole incident very fragile. and tonight russian forces are advancing on another nuclear facility, the second largest in
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ukraine. i'm joined now by physics professor at the university of new york. i appreciate your time tonight. the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. said today the world narrowly avoided a nuclear catastrophe last night. is that hyperbole? is that overstated? how dangerous was it, what happened? >> i think it's understated because the situation is unstable. realize that it takes just one stray bullet, one stray bullet to hit the electrical system to knock out the emergency cooling system, to cause a loss of water, temperatures rise to 5,000 degrees fahrenheit, melting take place, and we have fukushima 2.0. in other words, the situation is unstable. this is unprecedented, unprecedented in the history of warfare and nuclear energy that an advanced army would come in
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with all guns blaring firing at a nuclear power plant, which stores tens of tons of high level nuclear waste, enough to leave central europe into a wasteland. >> i've been trying to down -- not down play it, but be as realistic as possible. that is incredibly alarming what you just said. if you hit the electrical system at a nuclear power plant, and that stops the water cooling system, i mean, that can -- that can have an escalating cascading effect to a disaster? >> that's right. there are two modes we have to worry about. one is the chernobyl mode where there's a hydrogen gas explosion, a steam explosion that blows the roof off and one-third is vaporized and sails
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over europe. the second the fukushima scenario. that scenario is the electrical systems are paralyzed, there's no electricity, cooling systems fail, and water levels begin to drop, uncovering the core. at fukushima, we have three cores that liquify -- i repeat, liquify -- because temperatures reach 5,000 degrees farnt height. that's the danger here that one stray bullet could knock out the cooling system. therefore the pumps don't function anymore, water levels drop, expose the core, core rises to the melting point of uranium dioxide. at that point we're talking chernobyl and we're talking fukushima all over again. >> and the pools of water that are at nuclear plants that have, i guess, spent fuel rods, how dangerous are those?
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>> those are dangerous. >> those are containers, right? >> remember if there's an explosion that take place because of a fire fight, if there's a stray bullet that goes off, all bets are off. it turns out fuel pumps are lightly guarded and it means there could be an explosion that releases high level nuclear waste into the air where it vaporizes. that's what we saw at chernobyl where roughly a third of core vaporized because of an explosion that took place. fukushima, of course, is loss of cooling. that's the kind of accident that we have to watch out for here. just remember during the fukushima accident, there were plans in place to evacuate tokyo. can you imagine that? trying to evacuate tens of millions of people in tokyo metropolitan area? that's what they were looking at
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because of a loss of cooling accident. now, today i think we dodged a bullet temporarily. the good news is that there's no fire, that this seems to be under control. but the situation is unstable. one stray bullet, one fire fight, one hand grenade sets the whole thing into motion. >> i really appreciate your expertise tonight. up next chef and humanitarian chef andres, inside his team's relief mission here on the ground here in lviv, how they are helping to feed people who barely have time to think about their next meal. what's going on? where's regina? hi, i'm ladonna. i invest in invevesco qqq, a fufund that gives me access to the nasdaq-100 innovations, like real time cgi. okay... yeah... oh. don't worry i got it! become an agent of innovation with invesco qqq
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over the last couple of years, we've run into chef jose andres in a number of crises, after hurricane in puerto rico most notably. last summer, you may recall, he got a $100 billion grant as part of the courage and civility award. chef andres, we saw him on the border with poland a couple years ago. he's now moved inside ukraine to help feed people. i caught up with him at a restaurant in lviv that hasn't even opened yet. his team is helping feed people at the train station here. let's take a look.
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>> the restaurant in lviv has no paying customers, but its kitchen is bustling. every day they prepare some 2,000 hot meals for those fleeing the fighting in the east. they started doing this on their own but now are being supported by chef jose andres and his world central kitchen. >> so, what's happening here? >> well, this is one of our partner kitchens. and the partnership happened like always happens before even we land. we contact them, sometimes they contact us. >> jose andres has been serving thousands of meals to refugees on the polish side of the border. but in the last few days, he's begun operating inside ukraine. >> this has been a very long effort. this conflict can go on for a long time. there are probably going to be more and more people fleeing cities and coming through. >> this is, before we know it,
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is going to become the city of cities for refugees within ukraine. and i believe people are going to be, this is the place everybody uses and is going at lviv train station, it is chaotic and confusing. people come and go, exhausted and hungry, their futures uncertain. when the meals arrive, they're brought to a crowded room where women and children rest before trying to move on to poland or other countries. the food goes fast. back at the restaurant, more is already being prepared. it also seems like everyone here in ukraine, if they can't carry weapons, if they can't make a molotov cocktail, they want to do something, feed people, contribute to this effort. >> the feeling is another form
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of fighting, actually feeding is the best way of fighting. if we could all eat at longer tables, we win the day, and not bombic people woi -- >> longer tables you say -- >> longer tables that unite us, why we don't build longer tables, instead of breaking people apart. one person creating may hem, who are we as humans, we are nine billion people on planet earth. we're going to let one person destroy what we are trying to build? humanity is going to have to learn that we cannot let him break us apart. we, the people, need to stop betting on leaders but people who want to build a better world, in reality, with actions, we need to stand up.
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cooking is a way to stand up. it's just to say, you are not going to let my people go hungry. you are not going to win this war. and the war has just begun. this is the only way we have -- >> one plate at a time. the people here, that gives you hope. each individual person doing something, that gives you hope. ahead, we update another vital relief mission we first told you about last night, saving kids with cancer here. we had the chance to visit with families in a hospital here in lviv, we'll show the response that's come since last night's program and how you can continue to help those kids. that's next. big boi house. big boi kitchen! big boi waterfall shower! big boi crawl space. big boi sold sign, big boi logo. realtor.com to each their home. people everywhere living with type 2 diabetes are waking up to what's possible... with rybelsus®. the majority of people taking rybelsus®
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at jp morgan, the only definition of wealth that matters is yours. it can be a smaller house, but a bigger nest egg. a goal to work toward, or the freedom to walk away. with 200 years of experience, personalized advice, and commission free trades on an award-winning app, we are working for you. planning. investing. advice. jp morgan wealth management. last night we showed you some of the littlest victims of the war, daymon showed you some more tonight, children with cancer who fled the fighting in the east and ended up at this
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hospital in lviv, called western ukraine specialized children's medical center, long name but they do incredible work. in the past week, more than 100 kids with cancer arrived at this hospital, came not on specialized trains, come being brought by their moms on packed trains where they couldn't even find a seat in some cases. the doctors are overwhelmed. the doctor we spoke to hasn't slept barely in three days. they're afraid they're going to be running out of medicine, personnel, equipment, air raid sirens going off, kids' treatment keep gets interrupted so want to send as many kids as they can to poland where there at least no air raid sirens and can get sustained treatment to save their lives, so asking for help to get more kids to poland. what is it like to be a mother trying to protect a child during this war? >> translator: it is so difficult. i cannot just put it into words. do you understand?
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it is impossible to put it into words. every mother wants their baby to be healthy. >> that little boy, by the way, eight years old, he survived a heart attack, stroke, stomach cancer, went into remission now his cancer is back. since our report arired a charity, raised $100,000 from you out there who saw that story and went to that charity to help, to help these kid and see we're so grateful, they are so grateful. if you'd like to help you can go to the weabsite on the screen, also my instagram page story and story saved on my instagram page, i also tweeted it out, i'll do that again. yeah. the kids need help and we appreciate all your donations. we'll be right back.
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