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warning, it's very difficult to watch. >> calling for a medic for a family that has fallen.
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the photo journalist who you saw in that video reported from the new york city captured the image of the terrible aftermath. we're going to show it to you, a mother, daughter and son killed. the medics there trying to help a friend who's wound said. the family dog you heard wailing, terrified. if there would never be another photograph of the war this one would say enough. we'll talk to lindsey on 360 coming up this week. icidely, there will be more photographs, many more in the days and weeks and perhaps months ahead. again and again these were civilians on an expose said portion of the route out of irpin, a town already targeted. a civilian area already targeted. finally people were able to get out, finally making it over to a precarious bridge that had been purposely blown up to slow the russian advance. and russian forces decided to strike that. i guess to prevent civilians
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from leaving. part of the reporter's day spent cnn's clarissa ward was in that area just yesterday talking to cameras. you may have seen her reporting. here's some of it. >> i'm just going to help her carry this bag a second. excuse me while we try to -- [ speaking foreign language ] >> you see them, people are so
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exhausted they can barely walk. >> well, that was yesterday. today there was an attack in that area. it's the elderly, the chronically ill, the most vulnerable who have been forced to stay as more than 1.5 million now have fled the country. it is the biggest and most sudden outflow of refugees in europe since the second world war. and although neighboring countries have so far provided a warm welcome, there's no experience comparable to waking up one morning as so many now have without a home and waking up the next as a stranger amongst strangers. hard to imagine what that feels like until you see this little boy across the border in poland walking ahead of the grown ups all alone.
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cnn's sam kylie is covering a different kind of evacuation effort from near the reactor complex now in russian hands. so, sam, what are you seeing in recent hours? >> well, anderson, just in the last few hours the international entity of atomic energy has issued an appeal -- demand to the russians who have captured the nuclear facility. that's about 30 miles as the crow flies from the city because they are able only to communicate with a very, very faint cellphone signal with people inside that facility, maintaining that facility. they have no idea now any of the monitoring equipment is not communicating with the authority. they don't think yet that there
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has been any kind of leakage, but there is very, very limited communications with that six reactor complex, anderson, down just 30 miles south. as a consequence of that the numbers of people fleeing the area are accelerating. this is what it looked like on the ground. a collective breath is held as a long awaited evacuation train slows to a halt. the odds of getting out determined by access to a carriage door. police struggle to contain the crowd, all are desperate to flee
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west. the mass evacuation is part driven by the recent capture of a nuclear power station by russian invaders. here they're being begged by the control room over a public address system to stop their attack on the six reactor plant, the biggest in europe. they say "you are indarnling the security of the entire world, attention stop shooting at a nuclear facility, attention, stop it." there's now a disregard as much for nuclear safety as civilian lives across the country being bombarded by russia. scenes like this have not been seen in europe since the 20th century. it's been accelerated here because the people now believe based on the evidence that they've seen elsewhere in ukraine that it is civilians who are now going to be targeted in
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vladimir putin's invasion. >> translator: when russian troops came closer i decided it was better to get my family out before they entered the city itself. >> translator: we hope that we can make it on the train today because this morning people didn't let us in even though we have a baby. >> reporter: this is a war that separates lovers and parts husbands from their wives, fathers from their families. ukrainian men here between 18 and 60 cannot leave. they're needed for the fight. you're staying here? >> yes, yes. >> reporter: so this is good-bye temporarily? well, i hope in a week or two you can be back together again. more than a million ukrainians have fled their homeland so far,
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but more still are enduring these freezing conditions in the hope of a train to safety. he's a former paratrooper in the soviet army. >> translator: i mave made molotov cocktails, i have a medal left from the ussr. i'm staying. i hate them, all the invaders because of this. not to mention the fact that my grandson was bombed for a week in kharkiv. >> reporter: those people who make it onboard now face a 600-mile journey to lviv. for those who don't time and luck may be running out. >> are many of the people you spoke with, are they staying in
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lviv or basically trying to get to poland or maldova or romania? >> reporter: anderson, most of them are hoping to get out of the country all together. and of course the scenes there we saw are bad enough. we've seen there's video and stills are emerging from kharkiv, which is a town about 150 miles north of here. 75% of whom speak russian as a first language, that has been hammered, absolutely hammered in attacks on civilian areas. the train station there is a complete sea of people trying to get out, and they really in the first instance trying to get away from the immediate threat of bombing. then the second the threat potentially of kind of radioactive nightmare if one of these nuclear power stations -- and there's another one about 200 miles away under threat from the russians and then ultimately out of the country altogether so the women and children can at least be safe. none of the men are able to
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leave unless they're very old or very young. >> even some of the very old as you saw in that piece from that incredibly brave man who's a former paratrooper of the ussr. sam kylie, appreciate that. joining us now mark hurtling, and also pierce whack, currently a global fellow. i mean russia already has a substantial portion of its combat troops in ukraine at this point. what does that tell you -- if in fact that reporting is accurate, what does that tell you? >> it tells me they're about to use some serious -- fighters from syria as canon fodder, anderson. you know you're seeing some great reporting by clarissa ward, sam kylie, nick paten walsh and others who are showing how the russians are truly establishing a new precedent of horrific destruction and human
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suffering. what isn't seen as much in those great reporting is what is happening with the russian army. we are seeing, i think, from what i'm seeing intelligence reports saying there are fewer air strikes and even fewer artillery strikes tan the first couple of days of this war. russia is losing equipment en masse. and the casualty rates from killed, wounded, captured and desertions are increasingly significant. there was a report earlier today that said they fired 600 missiles. and it struck me when i heard that, they fired 270 missiles on the first two days of the fight. we're now on day 11 so that tells me they're running out of supplies. what i've been saying all along is they're outrunning their logistics support. we're seeing fewer and fewer. when you have the russians saying they're going to start recruiting the fighters out of syria, which was a primary theater for mr. putin, it tells me they are running out of forces, and the next thing they
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could possibly do would be a general mobilization in russia, and that would be horrific for mr. putin because he's already getting protests in the various cities throughout that country. >> i saw a report. we haven't independently confirmed it of ukrainian officials telling defense forces -- telling those who can attack to not focus on convoys on armo on armored personnel carriers per se but focus on gas trucks which are not armored and just somebody's driving the vehicle that has a lot of the fuel in, you destroy the fuel, you turn those tanks essentially static once they run out of fuel. >> yes, anderson. i'd like to first draddress the report of 1,000 plus or minus syrian mercenaries.
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okay, kremlin does this, you think the ukrainians are fighting hard now? they're going to introduce an alien host that will be seen as as marauders and and if you do that, the russians do that and add the chechens to it the ferocity of the fight it's hard in my mind to believe it would be greater, but it would. and so the rugs at your own risk. logistics, this is the key. this is the achilles' heel because it doesn't take a modern javelin. you can take out trunk columns with launchers, rpg dpru nade launchers have been around for three or four decades and ukrainians have that. they're on these roads.
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they can't go off-road because of the mud. these are real -- and this chops the legs out of the russian offensive that might be all up front. but without logistics, without the ability to bring up your shells and fuel as you said and oh, by the way, evacuate your bunlded because you've got to come back the other way on the road. you have to evacuate your wounded and pick up more supplies. so i believe this is the tactical operational kill and steal. the russians have a problem and i believe that the -- and this is a partisan fight where anywhere these assets are extremely vulnerable and targetable. >> and anderson, if i can jump in. you're showing an artillery unit there the film that's playing. it's a self-propelled artillery unit. those things are towed by trucks.
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when you can destroy -- i'm sorry they are a towed artillery unit. when you can destroy a self-propelled artillery unit, that's a big deal. those are the guns on track vehicles and they move under their own power. but the film you were showing a minute ago had towed artillery pieces. those were put in place by towing them there with trucks, and what peter has been saying is exactly right. what we have been saying all along -- what true military operators have been saying all along is logistics in this kind of fight is going to kill you. what will happen next, there will still be artillery strikes, there will still be air strikes to be sure but they're lessening. and if russia according to their original plan was going to attack odesa, if they do that that will be the end of their operations in the south in my view because they cannot sustain the amount of miles of logistics supply that they would need to sustain that attack over a frontage of 400 miles in the south while at the same time continuing to go after the major cities in the north.
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>> general hurtling, just very quickly because we're really tight on time, but ukraine wants planes. they want a no-fly zone. if they can't get that, regardless they want planes. there's talk of poland perhaps sending soviet, you know, fighters that ukrainians have already been trained on. how critical would that be -- i mean i don't know what numbers of polish aircraft would poten poten potentially dissent, but how would that be for logistics? >> you then still have the artillery pieces, the tanks without fuel now they suddenly become toolboxes but still have ammunition. so putin is not going to surrender. so those vehicles with that amount of killing power are still going to be on the battlefield. so those air crafts overflying those pieces of equipment will destroy those en masse.
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it will be sort of like the early days of desert storm where they were as the air force called it plinking tanks. when tanks are on the ground and they can't move and an environment where they're on the road, they're easy targets for the air force. and that's why these transfers could be critically important in at least gaining air parity over ukraine. >> generals, appreciate it. coming up next a live report from romania which has already received more than 200,000 ukrainian refugees, expecting many more. later a report from a neighborhood with no military presence anywhere nearby. that, however, did not stop the destruction.
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station by strangers holding signs, offering them places to stay. the volume of the exodus, though, is staggering, the speed of which it has suddenly grown. cnn's miguel marquez is in romania, a country has grown in population of the equivalent of a medium sized city. more than 200,000 people have come to romania. how are they managing? >> reporter: yeah, look, it's shocking. they are managing by trying to move on from romania to other parts of western europe. we can show you how the process works here. this train has just arrived from sort of near the border. many of the people here are coming into bucharest here, the central station for the first time. and they setup several centers for the refugees who are coming here waiting for onboard travel. this is a former fast food shop. it is now a refugee center. we spoke to one woman who had her two kids, her mother,
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godmother of her kids yesterday. she's a psychologist from ukraine. she had a flormal life two weeks ago. now her life is turned inside out. what does the world need to know about what is happening in ukraine right now? >> what has happened that it is true -- >> reporter: that what is true? >> true that someone came to our city and somewhere there is no city anymore and people have their life in their country and all they need is just running away. so now i'm just person who is running from her house. >> reporter: so literally she packed what bags she could, took the kids, took mom, took the godmother and they're basically trying to get to poland now. they've left the station. we saw them last night. they left the station. that's about a 10-hour train
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ride to the border with slovakia. romania is providing them that free of charge. then they have to get from slovakia to the polish border and helpfully their friends still have room for them. but that story is times 200,000 here. most of the refugees coming into romania are able to get out within a few days, maybe a week at the most to places in germany and places around the world. anderson? >> miguel marquez, glad you're there in bucharest. coming up next to some people who did not leave or could not leave they lived in a village outside kyiv, miles away from the nearest military target. they didn't matter. cnn's alex maryaquardt has more. >> reporter: the small country road is lined by rubble, burned out cars and a deep crater where the russian missile struck. the attack caught on a village security camera hit the home of
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igor in a small village about 15 miles south of kyiv where he lived with his family. now they're gone, killed in an instant. five family members and a friend including his 12-year-old daughter who was disabled in an accident with a drunk driver. his wife just 46 years old, and his son-in-law, the father of his grandchildren. today, black eye and face bruised picked through the debris trying to find belongings and documents. there was a brief moment of happiness when he found one of his missing cats. but the reality of how his life is forever changed has not yet sunk in.
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>> reporter: there is simply no explanation for all of this destruction, for the deaths that happened right here. there is no military target around for miles. this isn't a strategic village or town that needs taking, so as the kremlin continues to deny that they are targeting civilians it is indiscriminate attacks like this one that show the reality of what is going on here. olga lives down the street. she points to a map that was used to carry the children out of the rubble.
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it's too much for olga and for millions across ukraine who are in utter disbelief about what is happening to their home. praying and pleading for the violence to end. alex marquardt, cnn, ukraine. just ahead there's new reporting just how deeply involved the u.s. and western allies are in the fight to arm ukraine. also, on a seekwrite base in another country where supplies are being sent. we'll be right back. a lot of ideas. so when she wants a a plan based on what matters most, she turns to fidelity. at fidelity, anyone can create a free plan. a plan that can change as your priorities do. and nina's free plan?
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as the u.s. and its allies debate what more they can do to help defend ukraine, cnn has new reporting about how deeply involved they already are in the fight. orrin leiberman broke the story and joins us now. what do we know about the biden administration -- we know they've been -- they're against a no-fly zone. talk about what they have been doing. >> so there's a number of different tracks here. first there is the weapon shipments that have continued to go in, and now they're going in very quickly. what used to take weeks and months, now it's taking days. and most of the $350 million security assistance package that came right from u.s. supplies, from defense department supplies, some 70% of that is already in, and the rest is going in very quickly. that's not the end of it. the u.s. working also sort of behind the scenes. ukrainian president volodymyr
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zelenskyy had called for a no-fly zone. at this point it's clear to see u.s. and nato are not going to go that route. because they view it as perhaps too direct a confrontation, perhaps a war with russia. they're viewing on a different angle, that's making sure to guarantee ukrainians have ability to challenge control of the skies above ukraine, challenge against the russian air force. and they're there working together with poland who have them to make they're able to transfer those jets to beef up the ukrainian air force. there's also other european countries that also have fighter jets the ukrainian military is already trained on, i it the effort there is to find out what it would take to get those countries to transfer those jets to the ukrainian military. why hasn't this been done already? these countries need fighter jets in replacement. and that part of the process is simply taking longer than -- you
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know, than right now. and that's why this hasn't happened yet, but it is an active effort on the part of the u.s. anderson? >> do we -- is it known if poland is willing to -- to do that? >> they seem willing in principle to transfer those fighter jets. it's not a question of willing for the transfer part. what they need in replacement from what we're able to understand is essentially back filled fighter jets. they want u.s. f-16s, essentially even better fighter jets but jets you can't simply transfer to ukraine because they're not trained on those. and that's where the hold up is. the u.s. doesn't simply have advanced fighter jets lying around they can transfer to other countries, so this takes -- this takes essentially the logistical work to figure out where those jets will come from. you can't just instantly produce them, but of course those countries want fighter jets right now because russia -- they look at russia right next door being incredibly aggressive and wonder whether it's looking beyond ukraine. it's a process -- that process
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is not finished. >> yeah. orrin leiberman, appreciate it. want to get perspective now from a former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. ambassador, thanks again for being with us. i want to ask about what orrin reported, this multinational effort to get aid into ukraine where it counts. how difficult is a task is that in the aid has been slow to come, but this newer package of aid it seems they've really fast tracked. it's only going to get harder from here, though, especially if a city like kyiv is actually surrounded because this has to come over land, doesn't it? >> yeah, no, they can't fly in as they were doing say two weeks ago, but you already did see an acceleration both from the united states and also from other nato allies providing things over the last six weeks to ukraine. so it sounds like that process is being made even more rapid. but now the question is can they get things like these 29s from
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poland and other soviet war saw act states to the ukrainians and, and sounds like the key question there is is there ability from the u.s. on reserve stocks to offer some f-16s that would back fill those planes. >> it's so interesting, you know, the u.s. has been -- there wasn't a lot of attention on it over the past couple of years, but the u.s. has been helping upgrade ukrainian military forces really since the -- since crimea. and that has turned out to be really critical in -- in what we're seeing on the ground right now. >> well, certainly the provision of the javelins and other anti-air weapons has been very useful to the ukrainians. in terms of giving small groups of infantry personnel the ability to take out russian tanks and armored personnel carriers. but there's also been a training exercise we had up until a couple weeks ago a group of u.s.
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soldiers in western ukraine, not far, and they would have been working with ukrainians and training them. and actually it's been a two-way street because the americans have learned a lot about what the ukrainians have experienced in terms of russian tactics from their time facing off against russian proxy forces in donbas. >> one of the problems with the ukrainian military is it doesn't have a great centralized command, which is one of the kind of reasons it's not in nato yet because i think that's one of the requirements for nato. but my understanding is that given the reality on the ground now some military analysts have said that may actually be kind of a blessing in disguise right now because they're able to operate independently even if, you know, the military units in the south are cut off from central command in kyiv. >> no, i think this is actually -- that may be right. i'm not going to qualify myself
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as a military expert, but the soviet system which the ukrainians inherited really was a top down system in terms of command. to the extent now they have the ability for smaller units to operate more independently, given the various fronts they're having to deal with russian forces on, that actually may be something of an advantage. and certainly i think one of the things that the united states has tried -- >> go ahead. sorry. >> yeah, i think one of the things the united states has tried to do in terms of the training exercises and working with the ukrainian military is push some of that command authority down and give more independence to units further down in the chain because that's worked quite successfully in the u.s. military. >> how do you see the next weeks -- next weeks going here? i mean kind of what will you be watching most closely? >> yeah, i think the big question is can the russians sustain the level of offense that they've had in the south,
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or do they begin to run into problems where they have to slow down while they wait for their logistics train to catch up? the other big question is around kyiv. is will the russians be able to maneuver around and encircle kyiv? you still have this large force, this large column going back almost all the way to belarus. can they get that group somehow deployed? and then what do they do in kyiv? do they encircle kyiv? how do they take the city? this is 21st century europe and we're going to see perhaps a city of 3 million people besieged by the russian army, and how do they do it? and my theory is particularly as frustration grows in the kremlin we're going to see the russians revert to what they have in terms of power which is large scale artillery strikes, and we've already seen in kharkiv these have been used de
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as the human cost of this war increases with hundreds of civilians falling victim to the violence according to the u.n., the organization also says more than 1.5 million people have fled ukraine, calling it the fastest growing refugee crisis in europe since world war ii. certainly not an easy journey even for a dancing with the stars alum who documented what he witnessed as he got out of
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ukraine. >> we just reached the polish border. we have to go outside and check the passport. and then you can go in -- this particular train is going to warsaw. i've got to point out everyone is extremely nice. i've got this, but also i feel really bad taking anything because of the fact this is all women and children. >> thanks so much for being with us. you're an american citizen so you had an american passport. people with american citizenship are allowed to leave. what was that feeling like of that decision to leave? what was it like? >> well, thanks for having me, anderson. but it wasn't really a decision to leave. it was more like, you know, i
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just got told that i have to go. you know, i have to say about the uyanian people in general they were waiting for this conflict. they were preparing, ready eight years in the making and that was the whole general feeling since -- you know, since i started my involvement with ukraine over in was it september of last year i kept, you know, consulting on a couple of tv shows and some projects. and, you know, the entire time the feeling was that something was looming, and all the time i was being told if something happens we'll take you out, we'll get -- you'll be the first to move out of the country. and when everything happened, it happened suddenly and it happened, like, you know, that morning. i was literally driving to film and at 5:00 a.m. somebody was bombarding my phone saying you have to go now, right? so then i got stuck for the next five days, but eventually the
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morning of the day that i left, you know, i started getting calls from people that i had met in the last couple of days. they were all military personnel, unrelated sources and people started bombarding me saying you have to go, things are about to get crazy, you're an american citizen, you have to leave the country. this is when i still sort of thought that feeling, that internal feeling. i have a lot of friends. i was already, you know, doing a lot of things locally. i was organizing some initiatives. but, you know, just on my phone, again, very sort of low-key, but i felt really bad going, and the feeling sunk in even worse because when i got to the train station i realized that it's all women and children. and then i'm literally -- i'm too big and i'm taking up space. so i had to put myself in between trains. i literally moved out of the area where people would have all been and, you know, that's the
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footage that was shown. and that was internally i sort of justified my space because i was outside, it was -- it wasn't a livable situation because it was too freezing, so, you know, i would pace around in that space, come in, and then go back outside. so, you know, i helped a lot with their needs and bags and all that stuff. so just to kind of, like, you know, understand that i'm not just taking up -- like i said taking up space. and i spent a couple last days with that survivors remorse. i believe that that's what it's called and currently working on an opportunity to go back. and so probably some time next week i'm going to go back to poland and join in efforts on the ground and sort of like want to justify my safe -- safe out that way. >> for people who don't know you were born in odesa originally. just, you know, as somebody seeing watching this happen,
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what do you want people to know about ukraine? >> oh, my god. so, you know, my story is a little complicated. for the last, you know, since we emigrated in the mid-'90s i got my blue passport as we call it, the united states passport when i was 19 and never min tained by ukrainian citizenship, so i'm an outsider. i'm like that person in the middle. i'm sort of an immigrant here, but i'm also kind of like an american citizen over there. and i was sort of becoming that bridge, you know, one of ours but somewhere else, grew up, made himself know that. so that was my presence in ukraine over the last period of time, again bringing my expertise from tv shows i've done here. but what i've come to realize is that, you know, over the last what is it almost 30 years of me being an immigrant in the united states it felt like i've given up my roots and i don't know
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where they are. i grew up in prbrooklyn. i'm closer to that culture than the culture in ukraine. so i just reconnected. i just understood where i'm from. i just understood that my -- i made an analogy that ukraine is my birth mom, and the united states is my adopted parents. and, you know, i have love for the u.s. and my home. >> it must be so hard to have just made that connection and now see this conflict, you know, take over. i really appreciate it and look forward to seeing your efforts in the future. thank you. the russian invasion of ukraine is hitting home for one of the largest russian american community in the united states. and many are angry for putin's atrocities against ukraine. we have that story coming up nenext. (laughs) anything else you wanna know? is the hype too much? am i ready?
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speaking out against the war in ukraine and have critiques for russian president vladimir putin. >> reporter: here on the boardwalk next to the ocean anger about the war in ukraine and about the man who started it, russian president vladimir putin. born and raised in russia south of moskow. she came to the united states eight years ago. >> i think that he's drunk with power, and i'm not sure what goals he tries to pursue. but i just hope he will wake up one day and look in the mirror and ask himself is he happy with what he's done, and one day the answer will be no and he will step away and he will keep his hands off the people out there. >> reporter: the boardwalk is in brooklyn's brighten beach neighborhood where the elevated train noisily rumbles over businesses that have signs in russian. so many people from the countries of the former soviet
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union live here, but the neighborhood is also done as the little odesa. moved here about five years ago from russia. you're from russia. what do you think of putin? putin is a killer, she says. this should not have happened. we lived together with ukrainian brothers and sisters. this has to be stopped. inside the grocery store full of russian specialty foods and delicacies we meet michael who moved here about 20 years ago from moskow. >> ukraine and government of russia should negotiate. i agree with this. >> reporter: but do you think russia has any business invading ukraine? >> probably not. >> reporter: up the road a bit is the brooklyn banya, a traditional russian bathhouse with tv tuned to the russian news. a ukrainian has owned the
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business for two decades and says everyone has always gotten along here. >> and now all of a sudden we're being dwieivided saying you're ukrainian, i hate you, you're russian, i hate you. it's not so. nobody wants this war. >> reporter: here we meet one woman who says both her parents were sent to a soviet gulog in siberia. >> i think it's unbelievable especially because this war is now like 20th century war in 21st century, and i feel hopeless because knowing what putin could do, it could be forever war. >> reporter: at the beach she says for her this is unbearable. >> i lost my sleep. i lost my appetite. i cry every day, i read the
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news. and i just -- can i say one thing in russian? >> reporter: yes. what does that mean? >> i said that please hold on and we're together here for you and there for you, and everything will be good because there's no other way. >> do you hear any optimism from people there this could come to some sort of end soon? >> reporter: anderson, the people we talked to are passionate, they're eloquent, but we didn't talk to anybody who's optimistic this will end soon. instead people are just frozen in fear about the next terrible thing that will happen. it's a very traumatizing time here in little odesa. anderson? >> yeah, guerra tuckman, appreciate it. thank you. stay with cnn with the latest from ukrainene. i'll see you again tomorrow.
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