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you can see there the red strike areas where russian troops are present, mostly in the northeast and the south. the ukrainian military digging in. this artillery unit firing at russian forces north of kyiv. meanwhile, the pentagon says that giant russian convoy outside the capital is still stalled in place. and a senior u.s. defense official says russia is now trying to beef up its forces with foreign fighters. cnn previously reported that moscow was poised to deploy 1,000 more mercenaries. >> we do believe, as i said to jen, that they are having morale problems. they are having supply problems. they are having fuel problems. they are having food problems. they are meeting a very stiff and determined ukrainian resistance, and we still maintain that they are several
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days behind what they probably thought they were going to be in terms of their progress. >> the u.s. also increasing its deployment to the region. an additional 500 american troops are headed to nato member states germany, poland, romania, and greece. the u.s. has also been trying to reassure nato's nervous members in the baltics that the u.s. will defend them. this hour, the top u.s. diplomat is actually scheduled to leave latvia and head to neighboring est estonia. antony blinken warning that the situation in ukraine could get much worse. >> the terrible expectation is that the suffering we've already seen is likely to get worse before it gets better for as long as russia pursues these methods. >> hundreds of thousands of civilians looking for a way to escape the barrage of russian attacks, but for now trapped. the kremlin's offer of
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humanitarian corridors leading to russia or belarus were immediately condemned by ukrainians. and while moscow denies deliberately targeting civilians, the scenes on the ground would contradict that claim. matthew chance with our report. >> reporter: clearing up the broken debris of a shattered home. this is the devastation caused by a russian attack on a residential neighborhood in a small ukrainian town. 50 miles south of the ukrainian capital is nowhere near the front lines, but it has felt the rage and the pain of this war. we've come inside one of the houses that was affected by what was apparently random artillery or rocket fire into this residential neighborhood. you can see just how shattered the lives of the family here
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were. look. i mean the windows have all been blown out obviously. all their belongings have been left behind as they've sort of gone into hiding. there's a picture up there of what seems to be some of the people who lived in here. it was a family with some children. apparently they've survived this, which is good. but of course when you look at the situation and the way that russians have been shelling residential areas across the country, so many people haven't survived. this is interesting. come have a look. it's the children's bedroom. you can see over here. look, the bunkbeds. the roof that's fallen down onto the top when that shell hit. of course, in the past, in the evacuation, the kids have left all their toys up here. it just shows you that no matter
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where you are in this country, with russia attacking towns and cities across it, lives have been shattered. stet slauv is a close friend of the family who were nearly killed in their beds here, godfather to the three children who escaped with their lives. now he has one request, he tells me, for the united states. "please close the skies over ukraine," he begs. "if we can just contact nato and ask them this, everything will be fine." otherwise, he warns, putin will cross ukraine and threaten the whole of europe. ♪ in a bunker under the town, it's terrified children singing ukraine's national anthem. it keeps them calm. as russia invades, a whole
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generation of ukrainians is being united by this war, together as they shelter from the horrors above. matthew chance, cnn, in bila tserkva, ukraine. we're showing you now live pictures coming to us. this is on the ukraine-poland border, and you can see people wandering across that border with whatever bags they can carry. now, the u.n. says more than 1.7 million people have fled ukraine for other countries since russia invaded. a million of them have gone to poland. now, here in lviv, the mayor of this city says that lviv has reached its capacity to deal with the migrant influx. food and medical supplies running short because so many of the people fleeing the country come through here on their way further west to places like poland. as we said, poland has taken in the most refugees by far, well over a million. and the european union's foreign
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policy chief says that number could swell to 5 million in total if the fighting continues the way it is. meanwhile, russia proposing evacuation corridors, as we said, leading out of five besieged cities, including kyiv, kharkiv, and mariupol. but ukraine rejeblcting that id given moscow's track record and also the fact that the routes lead only to russia and belarus. >> translator: there was an agreement on green corridors. has it worked? what worked instead was russian tanks, russian mines. they even mined the road that was agreed would be used to bring in food, medicines for children, and for the people of mariupol. they even destroyed buses that are meant to evacuate people. >> so many ukrainians are facing a dangerous and desperate scramble to flee the russian assault, leaving behind loved ones and their country for an uncertain future. that unimaginable heartbreak witnessed on the streets of
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irpin. have a look. >> reporter: to cross the river is perilous. to not cross it is far more so. this is the escape from irpin, where the lucky leave alive. as the sound of shelling moved cl closer, not everyone had the good fortune to be able to run. this was hardly a dash for safety, but it was no less desperate. an elderly woman struggling to keep up. other evacuees streaming past as she inched towards safety.
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>> tell me what last night was like. >> translator: it was hell. it was scary, and it was held. utter hell. >> reporter: then we spot another group emerging from underneath the broken bridge. some have left with few possessions from long and settled lives. but if this looks like agony, imagine those they left behind. >> these sounds as you can hear now is not comparing to that issue struggling at night because it was light and the whole building is shaken. i was sitting in the doorway
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like half the night. >> reporter: they've now reached the end of one road, the start of another. >> where are you going now? >> to kyiv railway station. >> and where are you going after that? >> after my family go to east, i go to war. >> you're going to war? >> yes. it's my land. >> reporter: then another evacuee arrives with news from the town beyond irpin. "it's done for," he says. everyone has been killed. a moment to reflect does nothing to help.
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>> reporter: the next stop is towards kyiv along the same route russian troops want to take. >> reporter: we're invited into one of the tower blocks in the path of russia's advance, where for now some refuse to go anywhere. so why doesn't she leave and get on one of those buses outside? >> i don't have an answer for that. >> reporter: at kyiv's central train station, those who did leave irpin are taken west, as far as they can go. one man tells us he was hit by russian bullets on his way here. >> who shot you?
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[ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: across the waiting room, he spots his wife. they'll travel to lviv together. >> reporter: they are not alone in making a journey which would have seemed unthinkable ten days ago. an escape from shootings and shrapnel means an escape from home . all this is the painful
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consequence of the decision of one man. itv news, kyiv. >> and joining me here in lviv, unicef spokesman james elder. it's good to get you back because i want to get an update. what is the current situation when it comes to children in this war? >> utterly dire. dozens now killed, almost a million. we are on the cusp of a million children being refugees. that's unprecedented since world war ii by a distance. as we speak, many thousands in bunkers, petrified. >> we've talked a lot about those fleeing. what about those who can't get out, the internally displaced? what do we know about their conditions because they're still under fire? >> yeah, exactly. whether it's that anecdote of the mother who explained to me she would lie over her child in a basement because she was just
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thinking it was an extra layer of support, whether it's those people who we think can leave, and as we saw gunned down yesterday, or the children whose families are taking water from oil heaters because they have not had access to water because critical infrastructure is being hit, it's life for a child in a war zone. it's harrowing. >> i know you've been talking to pediatricians who are trying to help as well. what is the situation with them, and what are they doing? >> yeah. they're extraordinary in what they do, but here in lviv, they had around 60 children come from hospitals in kyiv, who kyiv could no longer treat of course from basements. so they're doing emergency surgery. they're doing training as well, very stark training in terms of prioritizing. a green stick means okay. a yellow means let's get some attention for this child. red is we need critical attention on this child. if they put a black sticker on the child, it means they're not going to make it. >> that's just heartbreaking. what about supplies? i mean medical supplies.
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we know there's a need for food and things like that in some areas. but medical supplies obviously critical now because of the injured. >> yeah, absolutely spot on. unicef brought in tons. we're supporting this hospital here and hospitals now across the country, which are working in bunkers and basements. but i've got to be honest. it's triage right now, you know? the surest way to protect kids is to stop the bombing, for a cessation of hostilities. now, unicef and other acgencies are going to keep pouring supplies in but it's also difficult while cease-fires keep being broken by russian forces to protect children and humanitarian workers. >> we did a story the other day on a foster facility here where kids have been brought in from other parts of the country. we're talking hundreds of kids in that situation. the person running the place said to us that here in lviv, we get air ride sirens but nothing's hit the place so far.
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but with these kids, when they hear the siren, they freak out. they are traumatized. he said they are scarred by what they've seen. what sort of stories are you hearing that stood out to you? >> every moment, every day. i guess two yesterday. one, a center where people are looking after autistic children, and the same thing, mothers who travel ten hours with children. they have great setups. they talk so much about the setups they had for children and mothers who can't go to bunkers because the children can't be a closed space. the sound of bombing just has this screaming for hours. yesterday michael at the train station, talking to a lovely young woman, and she said, we'll get through this. and she said, but i'm pregnant. she said, i fell in love a few years ago. i got married a year ago. i found out a day before the war started, and, you know, she then went gun barrel straight, which is better for your audience. i want to talk to the world. i'm pregnant. i want my child to know its father. stop this war. >> oh, my god. this is just heartbreaking to
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hear. you outlined eloquently how bad it is. how much worse could it get? >> i -- much worse. think what happened in syria, what we saw there. if we are at a million children, very close, on the cusp today, in under two weeks, we will see many more children killed. we will see maybe millions flee and the trauma of a nation, a nation that you've seen it. these people with such spirit and verve and energy and embracing all the free world, and they're at risk of a nation being traumatized and children being scarred for years to come. >> and you just think a month ago people were living normal lives and going about their business, and now look at what's happening to this country. james elder, it's always good to get your thoughts. come back again soon. we'll talk. james elder with unicef. the humanitarian crisis worsening as russian forces assault civilian areas, and they are assaulting civilian areas. coming up later this hour, my
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it's clear mr. putin has a plan to destroy and terrorize ukraine. if the last two weeks have shown us anything, it's that the ukrainian people are not going to give up. >> the u.s. ambassador to the united nations there sparing no words about the russian president. the women of ukraine are playing a major role supporting their husbands, sons, and brothers who have gone to the front. their fear and sadness is evident, but their strength is unwavering. anderson cooper spoke with several of them here in lviv. >> in a volunteer center in lviv, moms whose husbands and children have taken up arms gather supplies for those fighting further east. >> translator: we understand we
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need to hold strong, like a fist, like this. and we have very strong faith. we believe that we will win, and this will hold us together. >> irina works for a group called angel on your shoulder. she's recruited more than 100 women to pack boxes around the clock. >> nonstop, nonstop. >> everything is donated. medicine, toiletries, all kinds of pre-packaged food. they're looking for things which are easy to prepare or you can just add water to for troops at the front or families. nothing stays here for long. the work is hard. the war is harder. angela's husband left for the front yesterday. >> my husband left yesterday. >> reporter: he's a doctor, a veteran of the soviet war in afghanistan. does it help to work here, to stay busy? >> translator: we are doing what
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we can. we keep on praying. people ask how you are not crying, but you know crying doesn't help. each person does what they can. >> reporter: angela is in the reserves as well, but for now she's taking care of her family and volunteering. thank you for your strength. you give me and everybody strength. >> translator: thank you very much. >> reporter: in another building, more mothers, more volunteers making camouflage netting to hide tanks and artillery. >> translator: let me teach you. do you see? just like this. >> reporter: olena's son is already in the fight. what made you want to come here? >> translator: we need to protect our country. it is difficult to speak. my son is in the army since 2015. i didn't want to let him go, and he said, who will go if not me?
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how will i be able to say to people that i hid and sheltered? so he left, and it was extremely difficult for me. >> reporter: many in this room have had to flee their homes in kharkiv and kyiv. they wonder when the bombs will fall here. if you could talk to mothers in russia, what would you tell them? >> translator: i would tell them to take their sons back. we are all sorry for them. they are also humans. human life was created by god. how can it be taken away just like that? they will be judged and face punishment for this. you cannot do this. let them take their kids. >> reporter: this war has many fronts, and for mothers, there aren't many ways to fight. anderson cooper, cnn, lviv, ukraine. still to come here on the program, the line of refugees waiting to leave ukraine
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proposal for a cease-fire in five of ukraine's hardest-hit cities will play out as promised. according to moscow, it's expected to start in about 30 minutes from now. we will continue monitoring the situation on the ground very closely as you would imagine. in theory, that cease fire would allow citizens in kyiv, kharkiv, and other cities to evacuate safely. it comes as the conflict grows ever more deadly for civilians. the u.n. reporting at least 400 civilians, including 27 children have been killed since russia invaded. that number is probably an underestimate. thousands of other people have managed to escape the fighting. the u.n. reporting more than 1.7 million refugees have fled ukraine in less than two weeks, a staggering number. but getting more people out has proven difficult. several evacuation attempts fell apart over the weekend after russian troops were accused of shelling the escape routes.
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>> russia continues to cynically disregard the norms of international humanitarian law during hostilities. russian troops block numerous attempts of the ukrainian authorities to evacuate civilians through humanitarian corridors. >> poland has taken in well over a million refugees from ukraine, more than any other country by far. in fact, 6 out of 10 people who have fled this country are now in poland. cnn's scott mclean is on the border between the two countries. >> reporter: with all of the shelling and bombing, there has been a noticeable uptick in ukrainians now headed for the exit. we're about five miles from the polish border at the first of a series of checkpoints en route to the border. you can see the cars are sitting still, just waiting to reach the front of this checkpoint. many of these people have already been traveling for several days, making their way through the blockades and the
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checkpoints throughout the country just to get to this point. we spoke to a woman at a further checkpoint, who said that she's already been in line waiting for 27 hours, and she was nowhere near the front of the line. she was with her mother, her sister, her niece, her son, and two dogs in a very small car. further toward the border, buses are dropping off people from lviv to cross on foot. there the lines stretch for several blocks, and we met one woman who was traveling with her two small children from irpin, a suburb near kyiv that has taken intense shelling in recent days. she left just two days before all that started. we also met an elderly couple who came from kharkiv, who had been sheltering for eight days inside of a metro station. they left only after a bomb hit a police station nearby and shook the metro station that they were in underground with many women and children. that's when they realized this war is not going to end anytime soon, and they started heading
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west. many of them will transit through the city of lviv in western ukraine. a train hub still relatively safe has not been hit with any bombs, at least not yet. the mayor of that city said lviv has reached its capacity to help people. he's now calling on international aid organizations to do more. scott mclean, cnn, near the polish border in ukraine. >> joining me now is a woman who recently fled her home in odesa, ukraine. she's currently in istanbul, turkey. i appreciate you making the time. i'm glad you are safe, first of all. how was the journey out of odesa? i know it took you a very long time in very cold weather. >> hi, michael. yes, me, same with many of my friends. we had to spend numerous hours on the road. i personally spent nine hours in the traffic jam leading to the
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border. some of my friends, they spent up to 30 hours waiting to exit the country. so it was quite an intense trip, hours and hours in the car, then several hours waiting on the border in quite cold and extreme conditions. but finally we were able to make it safe into moldova, where we were met by numerous moldovan volunteers ready to provide us with anything we needed, free rides, foods, drinks, sim cards, cash, any support for children or pets that were in need. so that was definitely -- >> yeah, an extraordinary amount of help going on in a lot of countries, and it's wonderful you got that support. you know, i find it interesting
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because i was reading some of your comments, and a lot of people here did not think this would happen, that it would actually occur. but you saw signs, and you were worried not so much about your life, but about how life would change if moscow was running the country or influencing the life here and the system here. is that right? >> exactly. so all of us were somewhat concerned, some people more, some people less, you know. there were -- naturally there were people who preferred to stay positive or oblivious to the danger. but the main concern for me wasn't exactly my physical safety. it was what would happen if our troops didn't succeed. the russians are being savages in the areas that they've managed to take. they're shooting civilians. they're not letting any people out from the encircled areas.
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they're making people, you know, say some horrific things in order to be able to get food or drinks. it's -- you know, it's -- it's psychological terror that they're imposing over there. so all of that, that was my main concern, that even if me and my family managed to stay alive and, you know, healthy, the living conditions, the things that we would need to face, that was something that i just couldn't, you know, let happen to myself and my family. >> the thing we've got to keep remembering is, you know, war really began here back in 2014 with the annexing of crimea, then what followed after that. your home city of odesa, it's close to crimea. did life change for you after 2014 in terms of did you think that you might be next, that
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putin would not stop with crimea? >> yes. back in 2014, there were quite a lot of concerns that odesa would made to follow in the steps of crimea or even in the steps of donetsk and lug an sk. the russians trying to claim that odesa people want to break free from ukraine, that they want to join russia, that they want to welcome the so-called russian world, right? so even though we were not direct involved in the conflict for the past years, but of course it was a psychological conflict for us knowing that any day, putin might want to claim back the odesa that he still thinks is historically russian, and he th--
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>> kseniia, thank you so much for spending some time with us. i hope you get back to odesa sooner rather than later. i'm glad you're safe. today. >> thank you. thank you, michael. well, if you would like to help people in ukraine who might be in need of shelter, food, water, and so on, just go to cnn.com/impact. so far, 40,000 donors have raised more than $3.2 million. that's incredible, isn't it? our breaking news coverage continues after the break. we can help actively repair enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair. your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed insnt match instantly delivers quality candidates
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hello, everyone. i'm john vause at cnn's world headquarters in atlanta. we'll head back to michael holmes in lviv, ukraine in just a moment. but first this breaking development in our coverage of the war. the world bank has approved a $723 million emergency loans and grants for ukraine, and there will be more assistance to come with the bank set to work on another support package in the coming months. officials say there will also be
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financial help for ukraine's neighbors dealing with a growing refugee crisis. now a closer look at global efforts to try and force vladimir putin to end his war on ukraine. the leaders of france, germany, and britain spoke with the u.s. president on monday while they agreed to continue to raise the costs on russia, for now there is no consensus on targeting russian oil and gas. europe remains dependent on russia's natural gas. the u.s. may still impose its own ban on importing russian oil. just talk of sanctions on rocro russia's energy sector was enough to send financial markets in the u.s. plummeting and the price of crude soaring. at his first campaign event since announcing another run for a term as president, emmanuel macron said he could not see an end to the war in ukraine anytime soon. >> translator: before seeing you, i was on the phone with president joe biden. tomorrow i will be on the phone
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with president xi jinping. we will continue this work. at the same time, i am lucid. i think that in the short term, this war will continue. >> japan has frozen the assets of 32 russian and belarusian officials and oligarchs while the new zealand government has passed legislation to impose sanctions on russia. and russia's central bank ssh funds are becoming increasingly isolated from the rest of the world. seoul will join the eu in blocking russian banks from the s.w.i.f.t. global payment system. cnn's paula hancocks reports from seoul. the government has also announced more unanimous $1.5 billion in aid for local businesses. >> reporter: one of these men will likely be the next president of south korea. h former state prosecutor yoon
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suck -- they have to deal with a north korea that appears more concerned with testing weapons than talking. neither candidate has foreign policy experience. lee supports the sort of engagement current president moon jae-in has sought with minimal success. >> translator: we need dialogue as well as sanctions. we need incentives as well as disincentives. the most important thing is to secure trust. >> reporter: yoon believes sanctions should be eased only after denuclearization is complete. >> north korea has only improved their nuclear capabilities and disregarded inter-korean dialogue. i will prepare a peace treaty only when and if north korea moves towards complete and verifiable denuclearization. >> reporter: for years, south korea has been walk ago i tight rope of a strong security alliance with the united states and a growing economic relationship with china. the next president may feel more pressure to choose.
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>> always talked that we have to be balanced between the united states and china, and obviously the time and the period for that kind of tradition is ending. >> reporter: lee believes he can strike a balance. >> translator: we are moving the u.s./south korea alliance into a more comprehensive one, but we cannot ignore the economic relationship and geographical proximity to china. >> reporter: yoon is looking for stronger ties with the u.s., including the installment of a second anti-ballistic missile system fired on south korean soil. china staged an economic boycott after the first was installed in 2017. >> translator: south korea and the united states share an alliance forged in blood as we fought together to protect freedom against the tyranny of communism. >> reporter: gender equality is also a key issue, particularly among younger voters. a unique clash of those pushing for more equality for women and so-called anti-feminists
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claiming discrimination against men. yoon is courting votes among the anti-feminists, promising to abolish the ministry of. lee has been -- leaving a close battle between conservatives and liberals. >> quite a time to have an election right now. how much is this aid package for local businesses affected by russia's invasion of ukraine? >> reporter: john, we know that they've pledged some $10 million in humanitarian aid, and what we're really seeing from the current president, moon jae-in, at this point is he's trying to keep in tandem with what the u.s. and other countries are doing and try to increase the economic sanctions against russia and also to help the ukraine. what is interesting is these two men i was just talking about there, the two front-runners for
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the next president of south korea, neither one of them has foreign policy experience. one is a complete political novice when it comes to anything political. so certainly they're going to have to hit the ground running when it comes to dealing with ukraine. but what south korea has done at this point is they have put these -- the export ban of certain goods to russia into place, also to belarus as well. they've also said that they're going to remove moscow from the s.w.i.f.t. network as the u.s. and many other countries have done. also saying that they are going to suspend any transactions and any dealings with russia's central bank and two of the sovereign wealth funds. so what president moon jae-in is trying to do is make sure that they are in complete lockstep with the united states. now, of course, the election is tomorrow. that's wednesday. it will be may when the next president takes power. we'll have to see whether or not they continue with that same tack. they have said that they will, but of course what presidential
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candidates say in campaigning can be very different to what we see happen when they become the president. john. >> absolutely. common everywhere it seems. paula, thank you, live in seoul. right now. exact whereabouts of brittney griner remains unknown. so too her fate after russian authorities say she was detained on drug charges. more than 25,000 people have signed an online petition demanding her release, while the biden administration is working to secure her release. many fear she could be used as a political pawn by the kremlin. griner has played basketball in russia during the wnba off season for the past seven years. hash oil was allegedly found in her luggage, a crime which carries a ten-year jail sentence. i'm john vause here at cnn's world headquarters in atlanta. after the break, we'll head back to ukraine for our continuing breaking news coverage with michael holmes live from lviv. >> translator: every ukrainian just hopes that nato will close
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this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everyone, i am michael holmes. and right now, is when the cease-fire proposed by russia is meant to take effect in five hard hit ukrainian cities, including the capital kyiv but no one knows if it will be honored this time. the cease-fire meant to give civilians an opportunity to evacuate via humanitarian corridors but under the
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kremlin's plan, most of those corridors would lead to russia and its strong ally belarus, where many refugees, obviously, do not want to go. the ukrainian president reportedly called russia's proposal immoral, and it was loudly condemned by the u.n. on monday, meanwhile, russia ramping up its bomb bardment of key ukrainian cities. this is just a sliver of the damage in kharkiv where residential neighborhoods are not being spared. u.n. human rights officials say more than 400 civilians are confirmed dead since the attacks began with about 800 others wounded. in northern ukraine, this blue-walled church caught fire after an alleged russian military strike there. one of the priests from st. george's says a shell hit the dome. russian troops shot at houses, and the fence was riddled with machine gun fire, he says. thank god no one was there
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