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at the train station near the border reportedly by polish mothers and volunteer groups. they are there for refugees to use for their babies after they left home and nearly everything else behind. coming up, more from the war zone, more on the soaring refugee crisis as the number of evacuees reaches -- tops 2 million. i'll be joined by tom freedman from "the new york times" as our coverage continues from ukraine. , including two woworld-renownd academic medical centers, in boston, where biotech innovates s daiy and our doctors teach at harvard medical school, and where the physicians doing the world-changing research are the ones providing care. there's only one mass general brigham. i've always focused on my career. but when we found out our son had autism, his future became my focus. lavender baths always calmed him.
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here in ukraine there is a measure of relief and gratitude for perhaps the most significant tightening of the pressure on vladimir putin of the war. president biden's decision to ban u.s. imports of russian oil and gas. >> this is a step that we're taking to inflict further pain on putin, but there will be costs as well here in the united states. i said i'd level with the american people from the beginning, and when i first spoke to this i said defending freedom is going to cost. it's going to cost us as well in
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the united states. republicans and democrats understand -- alike understand that. republicans and democrats alike have been clear we must do this. >> ukraine's president zelenskyy addressed the british parliament by video, a first, and received a standing ovation for it. he talked about the experience tonight and historical parallels it conjured for him. >> translator: speaking today in the british parliament i mention other difficult times, other yet similar. 1940 when tireason threatened what it considered a small island and it was sure the island would not withstand brutal blows, bombings and a blocking. and it turned out that the island could do more than that because it had wisdom and endurance and friends and strength. and it believed in the future, the future of its own and the future of freedom in europe. as we believe, as we fight and
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as we will win. >> to that a nato official tells cnn russia is still making very little progress on the ground with nato's current intelligence assessment suggesting moskow is unlikely to make much preeg in the foreseeable future. according to the official we see little change which is little comfort to the people in the cities the russian forces are now shelling and bombing especially given the intelligence assessment that vladimir putin is likely to continue escalating the war with no regard for human consequences. cnn's matthew chance is in kyiv tonight. what have you been seeing and hearing there tonight and throughout the last day? >> reporter: well, actually it's been relatively quiet here in the ukrainian capital over the course of the past day or so because there's been a sort of cease-fire that's been holding to some extent to the north of the city, which is where a majority of the fighting has been taking place as russian forces sort of move down in a bid to encircle the city and for
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the second day in a row there have been many, many people hundreds of people, perhaps thousands flowing out of those northern suburbs to the relative safety of the center of kyiv where they've been in many cases getting trains or cars and heading west to -- to where you are in lviv and towards poland as well. and it's interesting because the russians this evening announced that there would be another cease-fire tomorrow, not just here in kyiv but in other cities around the country like kharkiv, mike mariupol, like sumy. there have been fighting where civilians have been severely affected, and they're opening those corridors again for people to come out. obviously there's skepticism when we hear the russians say this in the recent past
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civilians have been shelled and killed on what they thought were safe corridors. >> and is that something -- are there further talks scheduled? >> reporter: there are, yes. so we are seeing this succession of, you know, i think relatively hopeful developments. on thursday, for instance, we've got the highest level meeting that we've had since the beginning of this war and for some time before that, in fact, between the russian and ukrainian foreign ministers, and that's taking place in turkey, and the fact that's taking place at all is a really, really positive sign. the russians have said, look, we want to make sure that ukraine is neutral. we want to make sure that the territory of crimea and those
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rebel republics in the east of the country, that they're acknowledged to be not part of ukraine, which is substantial, you know, moving away from the demilitarization and the denazification as they call it. they thoufbed away from the idea of calling for a new leadership in ukraine, which is i suppose something in the right direction from the russians. and i suppose now that it's going to be, you know, up to the ukrainians whether that's the sort of deal that they can work with in order to, you know, ensure their survival as a country. whether they're politically able, they're willing to do that or not, it's just not clear yet. >> matthew chance, i appreciate it. we'll be watching, of course. thanks very much. want to go next to cnn's ivan watson in the cony of moldova. it's a very small country. it's got problems of its enof
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mutt when are the people in moldova doing to help the refugees fleeing from ukraine. >> reporter: they have quite literally opened their doors to refugees. we hear almost everybody we've talked to has taken in a family. the government here is assisting. anybody who arrives at the border they get free transport, they're taken to a kind of first station where they get a warm meal and some instructions about where to move onto next, free transport. but they're having to impvrovis with the sheer numbers coming into this country. today i was at a sports facility, squash courts and pickle ball courts where hundreds are people are sleeping at night of these new refugees who are arriving, and many people are very much in shock because 06 the speed of how their lives have been turned upside-down. the war isn't even two weeks old. and while there, some people are processing and reacting in anger
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and in defiance. listen to this woman that i spoke to there. >> we are ukrainians. it's our land. my son was born in independent ukraine. it's our land, independent. nobody can enter our land. and if you -- if someone is entering, we have to answer because it's our motherland. we have no other choice. we're very peaceful people. we're not nazi. please, we want to leave, we want to be happy. stop shooting, please. >> now, marina comes from the port city of odesa. her son stayed behind. he's a lawyer. to defend that city in case it receives a ground attack. the facility she was at is being
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run by the jewish community of moldova, and the jewish ruled congress and other charitable organizations. she is jewish, her son is jewish. she's on her way to israel, she believes. and she was saying, look, i am not a nazi. vladimir putin says he's fighting nazis in ukraine. my son stayed behind to fight. w we are not fascists. we are civilian people who are just trying to defend our homeland. that's just one example of the millions of stories of people up rooted who fled across borders, and the united nations estimates there are about a million people displaced inside ukraine right now as well, anderson. >> ivan watson, so glad you're there in moldova. thanks so much. it's great that we're there. let's dig deeper now with the global pressure being brought to bear on vladimir putin but also the limitations of it. joining us now "the new york times" columnist thomas
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freedman. he's also you know the author of countless best sellers now available in an updated and expanded edition. tom, what about the putin situation scares you? >> well, anderson, can i just say what a great job you and all the cnn team are doing. first of all, hats off. you make us proud to be journalists. i think putin's dilemma is this. he can lose early and small or lose big and late. i fear he doesn't have the ability to calm down and lose early and small, and say you know what i'm going to take a mini deal, a bit of a misunderstanding. i was there to help russians and i'm going to get out and stop
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this madness right now. i fear he doesn't have the ability to stand down like that partly pause he knows what happened to previous russian leaders and czars that lost in the past. if he continues this way he's going to lose late and big, and unfortunately, we'll all lose that way. because he cannot win in ukraine, anderson, because the whole thing is built on a complete fantasy. the fantasy is that ukraine is not a country, the people were just waiting there to be retrieved and brought back to the bosom of mother russia, he just needed to decapitate the nazi leadership and everything would have been fine. he was completely misled or delusional about what was the case in ukraine, and as a result he cannot win. he cannot win this war, but he can do enormous destruction to ukraine, to the world, and most of all to russia. and there's only one thing more dangerous than a strong russia and that's a weak russia.
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>> it is remarkable how he has been able to not only unite ukraine -- i mean i've never seen a country which is as united in their complete loathing of vladimir putin and what he has done already and a complete willingness to fight now and next month and however many years it takes if there's an occupation. he's also united nato which was in somewhat of a disarray over the last several years, obviously. i wonder what you think about the economic sanctions now. you recently wrote about the use of economic sanctions as a weapon. now the biden administration is banning the importation of russian oil and natural gas. >> well, we have dropped the equivalent of a nuclear economic bomb on putin. and basically the biden team came to him before the war and said this is what we're going to do. if you do this, okay, we are going to drop the equivalent of
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a nuclear bomb on your economy, so don't bet the farm. and then he went out and bet the farm. and as a result his currency has been devastated. his airlines can't fly. his debt has been downgraded to junk status. this is an economy that's going to seize up, you know, some time in the next 4 to 6 weeks. without airplanes flying, you can't take the bus from moskow to -- so what worries me, again, he brought this on himself. i just worry about disorder in russia now. at the same time, you know, anderson, i was talking to a friend the other day and what if putin and his clique of cronies were removed? what if they were removed and russia could actually go back to the russia we hoped for in early 1990s and join some sort of european security order, that we could have a europe that's whole and free? this is one man's war. and if the russian people
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however decide they don't want that one man anymore leading this war, if they can do that, i think it could open up all kinds of possibilities. we are in such an incredible inch of history now. it's terrible for the ukrainian people paying this price, but the russian people could somehow understand this opportunity here, how this man is leading their country to complete disaster. when russia is a disaster, a country with 600,000 nuclear war heads, more oil and gas, spanning 11 time zones the whole world will feel that disaster. >> do you have -- matthew chance was talking about this meeting on thursday between foreign ministers in ukraine and russia. do you have any confidence that something might come out of that? >> well, you know, i found his report incredibly interesting, anderson, because, you know, prime minister bennett of israel is the only leader who's gone to moskow and seen putin
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face-to-face in the middle of this war. and i don't know, you know, know the first-hand details, but i do understand what putin told bennett really aligned with what the russian foreign minister told his ukrainian counterpart in turkey. we just want the donbas and crimea. we want a neutral ukraine, and we are not out for zelenskyy's head. so that's two different, you know, angles that's coming from. i have to believe there's something to that that is not just a feint. i have to believe somehow, somewhere, anderson, someone must explain to putin. he must know by now if he proceeds with this he is going to be a war criminal, all the people around him are going to be war criminals. the only country they'll be able to visit is maybe north korea. i'm not sure north korea will want them. they're heading for hitler-like stuff. and i have to believe at some point the message has got to get there that they need to find a way out, whether he can bring
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himself to do that i don't know. this is the greatest -- this is the greatest folly i've ever seen in my journalistic career. >> tom freedman, i really appreciate it. thank you. it's always good to talk to you. coming up more on how president biden arrived on his decision to ban russian imports of oil and gas. and later a closer look at ukraine's president who has certainly risen to the moment beyond all expectations, rallied a country in ways rarely seen but certainly welcome now. that and more as we continue our coverage from ukraine. now we've created a brand-new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few y years old. we w wanna buy your car. so go to carvavana and enter your license plate answer a few questions. and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds. when you're ready, we'll come to you, pay you on the spot and pick up your car, that's it. so ditch the old way of selling your car,
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putin and in the u.s. of course on american drivers at the pump. cnn's kaitlan collins joins us now from the white house. kaitlan, this ban was something the white house was deliberating about for days. why the decision now today, and is there any expectation that european allies can do the same because they obviously import a lot more? >> right, they import a lot more than the united states which imports about less than 10% a year, anderson. this is not a step the white house had wanted to take. they've been pretty reluctant to do so because of what president biden said today. there's concern it will unravel global energy markets and cause those gas prices here at home to go up even further. today president biden as he announced this step said this is something people should be prepared for. he said defending democracy comes at a cost, and he said there's not much he thinks he can do in his control to actually change those prices that he does expect to go up higher, saying this is something blaming on russia for this
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ongoing invasion. when it comes to steps taken in tandem with european allies the white house says they've not asked european allies to follow them in this measure. they don't expect them to do so given europe gets about 30% of its oil from russia. so obviously them taking the step has a much higher price than it does in the united states. though it has a higher price in the u.s., and they're trying to make up for some of those imports by talking to other countries. >> there's also this ongoing uncertainty whether poland will provide ukraine with soviet made jets. the latest polish offer which is to send those jets to i think a u.s. air base in germany and let the united states provide them with ukraine, that's being met with skepticism at the pentagon and seems like a nonstarter. >> it seems to be outright rejection from the pentagon right now, because they're saying this offer put out there by polish officials today, by the polish foreign ministry they say is untenable because the
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logistics of getting something lying this done is so complicated, and they don't believe sending those planes to a u.s. air base in germany is going to be the way to handle that because really the debate here is who gets the planes to ureason, and how is that perceived by russia? that's kind of the concern when it comes to this, but also the logistics do ukrainian pilots come and pick them up? how do they get them across the border to ukraine, because we've talked about the challenges just getting these anti-tank missiles across the border much less a fleet of airplanes. we're told by white house sources tonight this completely caught them off-guard. they say this isn't something secretary blinken had discussed with him when he was there on a recent trip. of course we know vice president harris is scheduled to leave the united states tomorrow morning to go to poland, so this will be something they do discuss. right now this offer from poland to give this fleet of used jets to basically the hands of the united states to then
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theoretically give them to ukraine seems to be off the table when you talk to officials here at the white house and at the pentagon. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate if. there's been some confusion from folks who have been watching looking at images of russian forces -- well, maybe not that much confusion but some questions about it. a letter that can be seen constantly on every road that russian vehicles now travel. more now from cnn's phil black. >> reporter: it's impossible not to notice many of the russian vehicles invading ukraine carry a distinctive mark. trucks, tanks, fighting, engineering and logistical vehicles they are advancing through ukraine with the letter "z" painted conspicuously in white. the people being invaded have noticed. here in the eastern ukrainian town, an angry crowd swarms after and attacks a single vehicle. its only obvious connection to the war the letter "z."
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>> it's almost certain some kind of tactical grouping. there's theories what the "z" means but i think it's a marking because an easy thing to mark in a square or triangle. >> reporter: in a war where the wanny be congerers are not flying their national flag, that single character has taken on special significance. at a recent gymnastics world cup event a 20-year-old russian competitor accepted his bronze medal wearing a "z" prominently on his chest. he was standing next to a ukrainian athlete. the sports governing body described it as shocking behavior. but how do you describe this? terminally ill children and their carers formed a giant "z" outside a hospice in the russian city. >> it's disgusting at the state is co-opting young children to be propaganda mechanisms for their war. it is dangerous when small little symbols become proxies for being a loyal citizen in an authoritarian regime during a
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time of war. because those who don't wear it, those who don't show the "z" could be targeted by the state. >> reporter: and in this highly produced propaganda video russian men wearing that letter declare their support for the invasion, chanting, "for russia, for the president, for russia, for putin." an aerial shot shows a giant "z," a traditional symbol of russian military glory usually associated with victory over nazi germany. by accident or design a character that doesn't feature in russia's alphabet has become an iconic symbol of putin's invasion and the propaganda campaign to win support among his people. fill phil black, cnn, london. well, coming up former director of national intelligence james clapper joins me live. a look at the cia's assessment
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there's breaking news tonight. the u.s. is sending two patriot missile batteries to poland as a, quote, defensive deployment. a spokesperson for u.s. european command said tonight in a statement they're designed to counter any potential threat that the -- to the u.s. and nato
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allies amid russia's war on ukraine. the patriots are meant to counter and destroy incoming short range ballistic missiles, advanced aircraft and cruise missiles as well. cnn reported earlier this week the u.s. was considering such a move. i want to bring in james clapper, he served as director of national intelligence under then-president obama. director clapper, first of all, i'm wondering just given what we've seen in the united states sending troops, now these patriots to shore up nato defenses in poland, what else could we see you think in the days ahead? >> well, i would look for -- i don't know -- but i would look for more trigger pullers perhaps. there have been some deployments of -- from within europe to the eastern flank, and so i think 82nd airborne portion of it deployed. i think more of that would be
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reassuring to the nato allies but particularly for those on the eastern flank and would certainly convey a deterrence message. >> the current director of national intelligence,aveeral heinz, told congress today it's still not clear if vladimir putin, quote, will continue to pursue a maximalest approach to capture all or most of ukraine. what kind of indicators would the intelligence community look for to try to figure out the goals of a leader like vladimir putin? >> that's a very interesting question. the most obvious, i think indicator would be what the military moves are in ukraine. now, the problem is that the farther west these troop formations of the russians go, the harder and harder it is going to be for them to sustain them and support them, but that's certainly one indicator.
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and i'm interested in how the meeting between the two foreign ministers turn out in turkey. i don't know what else to go on. one other thing would be what we see in the way of troop movement activity in russia. are they calling up more units, sending more units say to the far east of the ukrainian border, which would indicate the deployment of more force. and of course for putin and his troops are canon fodder. >> have you been surprised at the performance of russian forces? >> actually, i have been. you know, i watched certainly during my time as dni the modernization in air quotes of the russian military, particularly it's army got smaller, more professional a, allegedly.
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supposedly they grew an nco core, which is kind of the backbone of the leaders in military units. well, that turned out not to be the case. i think one -- well, a number of surprising things, but these combined arms armies haven't really acted in a combined arms way, and the logistics has been absolutely terrible. and some of that, i think, is due to the fact that russian army logistics is heavily dependent on railroads within the confines of russia. and of course now when they project out, they're relying on a truck fleet which is undersized for what the task is to support those troops with ammunition, food, et cetera. >> and obviously that truck fleet is very vulnerable to attack in a country like ukraine. it's not as armored up as armored personnel carriers or
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we've been talking tonight about russia's military capability and targeting civilians by vladimir putin's forces. earlier this week ukrainian president zelenskyy said of russia's tactics, quote, this is murder, deliberate murder. as we mentioned the u.s. intelligence community believes things are about to get even uglier. earlier right before air i spoke with a top aide to president zelenskyy who acts as the president's chief of staff about russia's ability in the field also about the military aid they're hoping to get from the west. according to latest reports poland says they're willing to hand over their soviet-made fighter jets to the u.s. so that your pilots could fly them in this war. have you heard if the u.s. has agreed to that? and what impact would those jets have in the fight? >> we just received this
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information. i don't know exactly that it's happened, but i hope that united states will support this because they know that how it's important, and this is a critical moment for our country. and we really need this planes. it's all i can comment for this moment about these things. >> but you have pilots ready now who could fly those if you could get those planes. >> yes. we have the pilots who will able and immediately can be ready to fly these planes. >> how -- what is your assessment of russian forces now in country -- u.s. officials are
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saying 100% of russian combat forces they've dedicated to ukraine are flow in the country. where's the greatest fighting going on? what's your assessment of the russian capabilities? >> you know that before the war it was more than 100,000 russian troops around the border of ukraine. you can see how all these days how our army, how our people defend our countries. and of course i think that it was big surprise for russia that what answer they received in the ukrainian lands. you know, it's difficult to calculate how many troops the
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russia can be concentrated and then send into ukraine more. it's still a lot of, you know, the russian army in tis several times bigger than ukraine. bigger by the people, bigger by the tactics, but ukrainians during this days show to all the world that finally the victory -- it's not just the numbers of troops, not just the numbers of the tactics. it's brave of the people, how the people are ready to defend our lands.
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and it's very inspired that today all the ukrainian society, it's so ready, different people from old up to the very young, woman, man, young people. everybody want to defend, fighting up to the end but not leave any centimeters of our land. i think now this inspiration of the ukrainian people, it's in all the world. >> finally, what is your -- the united states is now cutting off imports of russian oil and natural gas. europe obviously has not. what is your message to european nations? because they get so much of their natural gas and oil from russia. >> my answer to your questions
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are following that now it's time to not wait, to time to act. and the united states showed today that they continue to make real steps. and of course we're very grateful to the united states as our biggest strategic partners, for administration biden that these sanctions today is issued. and of course we're waiting that our european partners will support it, will add it and not wait until long periods of times to add it and continue pressing russia through the real sanctions. >> finally, what is your message
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to people in ukraine who may hear this about what lies ahead for them? >> we do our best and more that all our people who is today so united, so strong, so -- show all the world that ukraine, our nation is, it's great. it's real, and the freedom, independence for us, it's in our heart, in our blood. >> andriy yermak, thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. thank you. >> chief of staff to president zelenskyy. up next his boss the president, is refusing to back down.
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ukraine president volodymyr zelenskyy remains defiant in the case of russia's continued assault. >> translator: here i am. i'm staying here, not hiding, and i'm not afraid of anyone. >> president zelenskyy on monday. his heroism has inspired the ukrainian resistance. >> we are all here. our military are here. citizens and society are here. we are all here defending our independence, our state, and it will remain so. >> reporter: ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy in a show of unity on the streets of ukraine. the 44-year-old president refusing an offer from the united states to be air lifted out, telling the u.s. early on according to ukraine's embassy
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in britain the fight is here. i need ammunition not a ride. >> the enemy marked me as target number one. my family is target number two. >> reporter: for days zelenskyy has been leading resistance using social media to call on ukrainians to fight. >> translator: the world has seen that ukrainians are powerful. ukrainians are courageous. >> reporter: on his facebook page zelenskyy posted this about russia's bombing campaign. >> they have an order to erase our history, erase our country, erase all of us. >> reporter: he went on to call ukrainians a symbol of invincibility. earlier zelenskyy got a standing ovation from lawmakers with the european parliament for inspiring words like this. >> translator: every square up to today no matter what it is called is going to be called as today freedom square. in every city of our country. nobody is going to break us. we're strong. we are ukrainians.
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>> reporter: zelenskyy has won the hearts of many around the world inspired by his resilience and defiance. even world leaders once tentative about backing ukraine now stand can zelenskyy some vowing to help him fight. germany's chancellor has promised to arm ukrainians and has halted the certification of the pipeline project which would bring russian gas to western europe. the u.s. and allies also inspired by zelenskyy dealt a crippling blow by cutting on russia's central bank from u.s. dollar transactions and kicking key russian banks out of the s.w.i.f.t. global financial network. for his part, turkey's president invoked a 1930s convention that bars russian war ships from entering the black sea, limiting its naval operations. >> translator: our main goal is to finish this slaughter. the enemy losses are very grave. >> reporter: the world today galvanized by a defiant leader who before becoming president
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was an actor and comedian. in april, 2019, zelenskyy was elected ukraine's president. now the country's future may depend not on his comedy but his courage. >> we will fight till the end at sea, in the air. we will continue fighting for our land whatever the cost. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn. >> we'll be right back. so we made a a plan to turn bath time into a business. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at nm.com ♪("i've been everywhere" by johnny cash) ♪ ♪i've traveled every road in this here land!♪ ♪i've been everywhere, man.♪ ♪i've been everywhere, man.♪ ♪of travel i've had my share, man.♪
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stay with cnn for the latest from ukraine. the news continues. we'll turn things over now to don lemon tonight. >> anderson, volodymyr zelenskyy has become a symbo