♪ ♪ so beautiful. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. the breaking news. the u.s. warns russia could be on the verge of using chemical or biological weapons as ukraine accuses putin of general side after an attack on a maternity hospital. lucky to be alive. a reporter shot while reporting outside kyiv. he'll tell me how he came under attack and survived. r a chinese journalist gets access to the pro-russian forces in ukraine. why? good evening.

tonight the breaking news. the white house warning tonight that russia could use chemical weapons in ukraine. the white house press secretary jen psaki tweeting we should be on the look out of russia to use chemical or biological weapons in ukraine or create a false flag operation using them. it's a clear pattern. a chilling warning coming as ukrainian president accuses putin of general siocide after e on a maternity hospital. asking why the maternity hospital was bombed. >> children's hospital. maternity ward. why were they a threat to russian federation. what kind of country is russian federation that is afraid of hospitals? afraid of maternity ward and destroys them? >> i'll warn you the images from the bombing are terrible to see.

the grounds completely scorched. pieces of debris still floating in the air in the images you're looking at here. some people stumbling to safety. others like this mother to be had to be carried out on a stretcher by volunteers. woman pregnant and bloody as she makes her way down a damaged flight of stairs. unclear if others are still buried underneath. we don't know. russians are scrambling for an excuse. be russian ambassador says r russia wasn't behind the attack. hours before the bombing claims ukrainian military were using the maternity hospital to store artillery. the pictures, women bleedsing and suffering are devastating and putin has hit many other

civilian targets in many cities. we're getting new satellite images of russian attacks on civilian targets. let's show you this. this is a image of a shopping center before the invasion. there it is today. entire building now shelled and a neighborhood. let me show you this new image. a building with the red roof in the left hand corner completely many homes. civilians live in them. the mayor pleading for help. he called for a no fly zone and said what happened at the children's hospital is pure evil. from the air to the ground, there's been no let up in the fighting. new video in tonight from city in southern ukraine where troops armed with shoulder fired missiles, ukrainians are fighting back. unclear if anyone was injured in the exact exchange you're seeing here. these attacks are coming as we're hours away from some sort of a peace talk with the two top

diplomats from ukraine and russia. there's not been talks thus far at this senior of a level. we are on the ground across ukraine. what more are you learning about the attack on the maternity hospital? >> they were waiting for the possibility of an evacuation out of that besieged city. the russians hit with a devastating air attack. this fell in hospital number three, a maternity hospital in the city. the numbers of injured are remarkably low. only 17 reported so far from officials and no deaths. the probability is that most

people in that hospital were already under ground cowering from the ongoing shell that the city has endured for more than a week. nonetheless, they were injured. there were pregnant women taken out of that facility and above all, just the viciousness of this attack shown by the depth of the crater left from this vast detonation in the courtyard of a hospital clearly marked hospital. the crater large enough to swallow a whole man. erin. >> thank you very much. i want to go to matthew chance. he's outfront in kyiv. there was supposedly a brief cease-fire in some areas near where you were today. it seems it may have held in some instances to allow civilians to flee. did the cease-fires work at all? were people able to evacuate? >> reporter: erin, there were cease-fires across the country and there were humanitarian

corridors that were opened up in various cities as we experienced some of the worst of the fighting over the past couple of weeks. kyi k kyiv was one of those places. that corridor from the north of the city right into the city center was open. we went up there earlier. there were hundreds upon hundreds of people that were taking this chance to flee the fighting and to get their families to safety. in the chaos of this evacuation, the frantic search for a lost child. in the rush to escape the fighting, an orphan has been left behind. each bus desperately checked for a familiar face. hello. hi. you speak english. for the journey across the front line, the children are well

protected against the cold. the older kids were terrified their carer tells me. the little ones didn't understand the danger they were all in, she says. this is a mass exodus from areas under heavy russian assault. an agreed corridor which hundreds of civilians, entire families are using to escape before it closes. leaving the horrors of the past few weeks behind. >> where have you come from? it's a town up there. >> this is a place this which was very dangerous and a lot of russians. they kill the house.

>> they killed the owner of the house? >> yes. they killed the owner of the house. >> you must have been and your family over here must have been terrified. >> yes. >> frightening. >> it was terrifying. family is okay. now we are going. they are under ground. >> ten days under ground. >> there you have it. just one family that has taken this opportunity to escape the horrific situation they found themselves in. the last ten days or more and again, take that chance to get themselves and their children out of here. >> we have a lot of volunteers who help with nutrition and sandwiches. >> helping them do that safely is embattled ukrainian official tells me it's as much as part of fighting this war with russia as killing the enemy. >> we have warm food and warm

drinks. we have medical crew that helps to manage people that were wounded. we have seen shelled people with broken and raptured legs here. we have a security force that actually interview people because we are afraid that russians may have sent some of their own as spies. >> all this is happening under the threat, the threat of artillery strikes and gunfire. that's a real threat, right. >> that's a real threat. we have no choice. we have thousands of people who really have spent more than a week in the basements with no cellular coverage, no access to medical assistance, no food, no light, no electricity and they want to flee. they need us to help them. >> as the buses leave for the capital, the boom of artillery

fire resumes in the distance. the window for this escape from the fighting is closing fast. erin, it's been two days in a row that these humanitarian corridors have been open from the north of kyiv into the plain city. it's past 2:00 in the morning local time and there's no suggestion there's going to be another opportunity for these people to save their lives and to flee that fighting tomorrow. there are going to be negotiations because in turkey, in a turkish city, we're seeing the foreign ministers of ukraine and russia meeting for the first time since this conflict began. there's perhaps a glimmer of hope that there could be some kind of, at least talks about a diplomatic solution on the mat. i want to go to retired general

army who has been with us t throughout this. she was born in russia and long covered russia, ukraine and the region. let me start with you. sam was talking about that terrible bombing of that maternity hospital ward. now you hearing-impaired the russians. one ambassador denying it. the spokeswoman for the foreign ministry seeming to justify it hours before implying the ukrainians had some sort of military installation there. we saw the horrible images of pregnant women bleeding, being removed. russia is using dumb bombs. the precision guided process is not working. what do you think is happening? >> i believe it's part of their campaign, erin. this is not accidental.

this is not because they don't have the right weapons systems. if you have suspicions that a military target is hiding in a hospital, which they claim they do, then you use a precision strike to get at that specific military target. that's not what this is. this is purposefully attempting to sow terror, confusion, grief, wanting the people to get out of there so they can cause more damage to the civilian infrastructure. it's part of russian campaign. we have seen it. it's no surprise because we have seen them do this time and time again. >> just to be clear, when the defense department says they are experiencing faults in their precision guided process, you're skeptical of that. >> i'm not skeptical. it's bs. they have been using dumb bombs since the beginning of this. we have seen explosives on the streets of ukraine defusing dumb

bombs. they have used them exclusively. the only precision weapons they may be using are some of their missiles but they are not dropping them from aircraft. i don't know what hit. i don't conduct crater analysis. that's not my specialty but that crater in front of that hospital looks like something greater than a thousands pound exp explosive. it's either 1,000 pound bomb or some type of cruise police sill. -- missile. emphasis a cruise missile, it would hit the building an not land in the middle. >> it is interesting that zelensky did talk about well, possible cooling to nato and possibly in terms of certain

territories including crimea. do you have any hope that anything comes out of this? >> i can see bhie he will say nato isn't worth this. i can see why he's offering some of the stuff up, putting it on the table when two months ago it was not on the table. helping ing assad do what putin doing, they had high level talks with the u.s. and geneva. they had them all over europe

and nothing came of them. if anything they gave cover to assad to seize more territory and grinds more of syria into the ground. i worry this is putin stalling for time. i can't imagine he will compromise and i can't imagine he will allow himself to be seen as having been eaten or vested in any way by ukrainians who he thinks is part of a country that isn't real and who he calls little russians. >> poland said it would transfer its old migs to the united states to then give to ukraine. sort of bizarre chain of command. the united states for now just shut that off. they were caught off guard. the pentagon made it clear today that there's no way they will do this. that the intelligence community believes that doing it, giving those mig 29s to you crane would

be seen as an escalatory step so putin will not do it. do you think they are right? >> i do. it's because of the threat analysis of what's going on in ukraine right now. those aircraft are not as beneficial as ukrainian air defense capability, ground air defense because russia has some pretty good air defense systems and they have what military guys call bubbles over different parts of ukraine. the ukrainian air force is flying. they are doing a relatively good job but the transfer of migs, not a very good aircraft to ukrainian force is only going to create potentially more casualties because they will be shot down. the better assessment, the better analysis saying let's put air defense or provide them more mid range air defense to complement the stingers they already have to shoot russian aircraft out of the sky.

russian aircraft aren't flying well either. they are delivering some ordinance but they have not shown themselves to be glorious in this campaign. >> not at all. one thing we have seen, amongst them and others is this casualty count. it's a lot higher than anything putin expected. we still don't know how big it is. in ukrainians are saying it's more than 11,000 russians have been killed. u.s. intelligence is saying it's 2,000 to 4,000. the russians are saying it's a whole lot less than that. do you have any sense of what the real number is? that number is what's going to matter to russians. >> yoeni don't know that it wil matter to russians. in the russian parlance vs. been grimmer. it's called cannon meat. i don't think this matters to putin. i don't think he cares about casualties the way, for example, the american army does.

with the other interesting thing about this is we don't know what the casualty count is on the ukrainian side. i think that's going to matter more than the casualty count on the russian side. the ukrainian government is not releasing those figures and the u.s. is also kind of not releasing them. i think that's also going to be very significant. >> thank you both very much. i appreciate your time. next, a family with a 2-year-old spending days and nights in their basement hiding. they only had minutes to escape when they heard the sound of russian jets. >> they packed two suitcases and left with five minutes notice. reporters under attack in ukraine. i'm going to talk to one of them who was there with his photojournalist. they were shot while covering a kindergarten. an update to a story we told you about last week. american twins, they were born

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frostbite, respiratory disease, mental health challenges, these are some of the many problems that ukrainian refugees are experiencing. the w.h.o. is saying it but it's a reality on the ground. more than 2.1 million people have fled ukraine in past weeks. as i've been saying since day one, that's still tip of the iceberg. right now over 100,000 of those refugees are in neighbors maldova. that's according to the internal affairs olympianministry. it's small country and relative to ukraine which is a large country but people there are been stepping up in such huge way to help the refugees pouring over their border.

>> reporter: they starpted on moving refugees to safety and deeper into europe and the government joined us with civil society. perhaps most impressive is just how much people are doing at a grass roots level. on tennessee day russia first attacked ukraine, residents of this sleepy village heard explosions. >> you can hear sometimes the explosions from ukraine. it's terrifying. >> reporter: it's not just the sounds of war that are coming across the border. refugees of the conflict have come here too. some villagers have opened their doors to their ukrainian neighbors in their time of need. people like boris. this 775-year-old widower welcomed olga, her mother and two children into his home after they fled across the border last week. >> i feel badly for them, he says. the children are small. this little one is incident.

boris holds 2-year-old andre as if he was his own grand zone. they have never been to maldova before. they fled after spending days and nights hiding from russian air strikes in the basement of their home. >> the family left on very short notice after hearing war planes through the night. they packed two suitcases and left with five minutes notice. >> reporter: with no advance planning, the women rely entirely on the generosity of maldovans for food, shelter and clothing, including for the 8-year-old. >> there are very kind people here. what made you want to help? >> i don't know how to act differently, you know. >> reporter: she's been helping find homes in the village for a few dozen of the hundreds of thousands of ukrainians that have fled to maldova in the last

two weeks. >> it's normal to help people in need. some people are hosting. others are donating products. others are just praying for peace. >> reporter: down the road from boris' house, we meet va will recollect -- valentina who took in family. we have to stop vladmir putin or else he'll keep going invading countries like plrkmaldova, pol. her 14-year-old daughter fights the hold back tears. the government says tens of thousands of refugees are living in the homes of ordinary maldovans. an extraordinary act of collective kindness from one of the poorest countries in europe.

asked how long he could afford to continue hosting this ukrainian family, boris told me, they can stay as long as they need. the government says one out of eight children in this country is a ukrainian refugee. the government is starting to look at trying to integrate this population with the country's existing education system. the kids that i met today, i asked them what are you guys doing for school right now. their parents said, that they are actually doing distance learning right now. a phenomenon that began for these ukrainians during the covid pandemic and now has been extended into this war. they may be refugees outside of their countries but their teachers in ukraine are still sending them assignments and homework to do on the internet. >> that is incredible. extraordinary what it says about those teachers.

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mercenaries from private russian companies are likely deploying to ukraine to help putin. it comes as a growing number of journalists are coming under attack or being shot at while reporting on this war. he and my photographer were shot while trying to cover a reported russian bombing of a kindergarten near kyiv.

he's recovering in denmark. i'm so glad that you are safe, that you survived and your colleague did as well. obviously, this happened incredibly quickly and your memory of it, i'm sure is punctuated and truncated in various points of what happened. tell me how you do remember how it unfolded. >> well, i was going to report about that bombed kindergarten. as i got there and my colleague and i was in constant contact with ukraine military about getting access to the kindergarten and as we got there and was almost at the kindergarten, there was a russian artillery attack which made a lot of confusion in the area and that prevented us from going there. instead my colleague and i decided to drive to the outskirts of the city to get away from potentially what could be a new russian invasion and when we did that, a car with a

gunman just approached from behind us, stepped out with an automatic rifle and just shot into our car. our car was labeled press. it was obvious we were journalists. >> it was no way anyone could confuse you for not being a journalist, which i think is really crucial to say. there's that. there's also then at that moment when you realized you were shot. it's almost as if, did you even realize what happened? did you feel it at first? >> it was crazy. i never thought anything like that. bullets were flying right next to my head. i remember that i could felt i could almost see one of the bullets. i know that's not really possible but it was going right past my ear. it was crazy.

just my pure reaction when the shooting starts, i just drive as fast as possible away while the guy keeps shooting at us. we get shot. i'm getting shot in the shoulder, on the back and through. i did not feel it at fist rst ul i'm trying to make a turn. i can feel my arm is not working properly. >> again, your car here is clearly labeled press. there had been russian artillery attack that you were trying to get away from when you were going through this check point. someone gets out of the car behind you. i want to make the point that your car as i know, we were doing with ours as well, clearly labeled on the roof. clearly labeled on the sides at every possible way that you're press, right? >> yes. that's what we have to do, right. i think a lot of confusion because we did not expect that

it would be shooting directly at what would be the press. that's not what we're expecting. that's not what we heard would be the case. i think what we have seen in the last few days has been numerous journalists have been shot while driving around in their cars labeled press. it seems like this is happening deliberately. that was something i couldn't really grasp at the beginning because we seem to be the first one who is were deliberately shot at. >> it is horrific. i'm so glad that you're okay. you and your colleague. thank goodness you're there and you are home safely. thank you so much. >> thank you very much. next, usually it's the kind of access that you would only get if you were russian state media. why is a clhinese journalist riding along with pro-russian in ukraine? showing off their deadly weapons.

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breaking news, the white house slamming china for helping russia push lies about its invasion of ukraine. the press secretary tweeting we took note of russia's false claims about alleged u.s. biological weapons labs and chemical weapons in ukraine. we have seen chinese officials echo these conspiracy theories. it comes as china faces growing scrutiny for pushing anything the russians have alleged. they even refused to publicly call the invasion an invasion. there's one chinese reporter whose unprecedented access is raising a lot of questions. will ripley is out front. >> reporter: report ing from th front lines of the battle of eastern ukraine. veteran chinese journalist, long

time moscow chief correspondent for phoenix tv embedded with pro-russian forces. this kind of exclusive access riding with rebel soldiers, getting this close to their tanks and weapons normally reserved for russian state media. his station is privately owned. just like state media, his report vs a distinctly pro-russian spin ignoring the relentless bombing of civilian targets. >> there's a fundamental difference between the press and journalist who come from western democracy. that's apparent when we compare it to state media from china. >> reporter: chinese media largely following the russian narrative calling the invasion of ukraine a special military operation. claiming high precision weapons are targeting the military, not

civilians. saying the yukrainian people fel abandoned by the united states and president joe biden while quoting russian president vladmir putin's claim russia has no ill-intentions towards its neighbors. >> while state media adviser to follow the official line a little bit more closer. >> reporter: for millions of main land china viewers, this sanitize pro-russian coverage is all their allowed to see. coverage praising the peace keeping efforts of chinese president and his strengthening alliance with the russian president. no mention of u.s. intelligence claiming china persuaded russia to postpone the invasion until after the beijing winter olympics. critical coverage by cnn and other western networks censored along with graphic images of terror, unprovoked and unleashed on the ukrainian people by the same president putin praised on

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happy inspiring update to a personal story we have been following in ukraine. last week i spoke with an american father. you may remember him. his twin sons were born seven weeks premature on the day of the invasion. they are in a polish hospital. the rescue operation was dramatic and spearheaded by a military veteran who specializes in rescue at risk people from war zones. it's an incredible story. i spoke earlier with the boy's father and bryan stern who got the twins out of ukraine safely about the dangerous journey. i began asking what it felt like when he was finally able to hold his sons. >> it's hard to put into words. you know, for the last 12 days, we were in such a different mode and such a different life. it was, you know, non-stop attempts to get the boys out of

kyiv. we to hold them. to see them. to be able to touch them, it's quite overwhelming. i think it's -- it will take time. it's hard to switch from the overdrive mode into regular mode, which i also don't quite know. like i told you, i'm still trying to change the diapers and learn how. we asked the nurses for a doll so that i could practice at home. they said no dolls. you will start with the real babies. it's going to take time. >> brian, i know you are a military veteran. you specialize in getting people out of some pretty terrible and frightening war zone situations. so in this case, you are taking

two babies out of an -- >> three. >> you are hearing bombs go off. tell me what you did. >> well, there were actually three. there was also baby sofia, who is a british premature baby. it was a trifecta. there was a third. ukraine is an active war zone. all the terrible things that happen in active war zones are present. we stopped at two different hospitals. one to get the two boys and another to get baby sofia. at both, we could hear and feel russian artillery landing in the city. during the opening minutes of the rescue, there was active conflict. then it was a 14-hour drive from

kyiv to poland. along the way, are checkpoints are ukrainians who are defending their country. appropriately so. we didn't have any kind of negative experience or anything like that. but nevertheless, every checkpoint you go to, there's machine guns pointed at you. this was a complicated thing.je of kids, families. this was first for us when there was medical support needed. that was the biggest challenge. >> how is it to manage that? you are getting updates along the way. you decide the risk is worth it to get them to safety. every step of the way hadyou hao have been terrified, frankly. >> thankfully, brian did not

tell us of all the dangers that they were facing. he was updating us on the progress and on the state of the babies pretty much constantly. that was incredibly reassuring. for us, because of the terrible situation in which we found ourselves, where the babies are premature, so they need to stay in the hospital, but the window of opportunity is closing, so when we talked to brian for the first time, he said, you have about two to five days. before it becomes very different. so for us, the decision was one of the most difficult decisions to make. do we take a chance and leave the boys in kyiv until they get healthy enough so then we can move them out? or do we lose this chance to bring them out even though right now to bring them out is dangerous?

the supplies were almost impossible to obtain. they needed incubators. these guys brought hand warmers to keep the boys warm. they had bottles of hot water just in case. babies sofia needed a respirator. somehow, it all came together. >> alex told me he hopes to bring list boy his boys home to united states in two weeks. his grave surrogate made the journey with the babies. she left her own child behind to do that. she's going back into ukraine with brian tonight to reunite with her own son and to bring him out of ukraine. what a magnificent woman. they credited the ambulance

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tonight, we know the names of the mother and her two children killed outside kyiv by an air strike while trying to escape ukraine. their deaths captured in the haunting image seen around the world. we warn you that it is graphic. we want you to see who she is. tatiana and her two children, a 9-year-old and an 18-year-old. a spokesperson says -- there she is. her work photo. that's how it was for her two weeks ago. she wanted to leave saturday. she changed her plans to sunday because she wanted to leave through the green corridor with our civilians, the supposed safe path. earlier this week, i spoke to the photojournalist who took that picture.

>> there was a family just there laying down. i saw their shoes. i saw the shoes of a child and the bodies of children. immediately, as a mother, i was sort of like, i can't think about this too much. i have to just document this. this is a war crime. >> the man who was helping the family was also killed in the attack. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. the white house is warning russia could use chemical weapons in ukraine. it's enough to say it's an ominous assessment at the end of a dark day. the main reason why, today's bombing of a children and maternity hospital.