tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN March 9, 2022 5:00pm-6:00pm PST
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>> there was a family just there laying down. i saw their shoes. i saw the shoes of a child and the bodies of children. immediately, as a mother, i was sort of like, i can't think about this too much. i have to just document this. this is a war crime. >> the man who was helping the family was also killed in the attack. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. the white house is warning russia could use chemical weapons in ukraine. it's enough to say it's an ominous assessment at the end of a dark day. the main reason why, today's bombing of a children and maternity hospital.
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>> the mayor called what happened, quote, pure evil. ukraine's president called it prove russians are committing genocide. >> translator: the hospitals are ruined. the schools are ruined. the churches are ruined. ordinary buildings and all the dead people, dead children. a strike on a maternity hospital is a final proof, a proof of
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genocide of ukrainians is taking place. children's hospital, maternity ward? why were they a threat to russian federation? what kind of country is russian federation that is afraid of hospitals? afraid of maternity wards and destroys them? >> after the attack, russia's ambassador to france blamed ukrainian nationalists for in his words, quote, bombing civilian institutions. russia, he said -- these are his words, quote, cares about every human life. prior to the bombing, the spokeswoman for russia's foreign ministry accused ukrainian nationalists of setting up combat positions in the hospital. saying that there were no patients there, no hospital staff. it should be pointed out the practice of putting military in hospitals is not unknown in the world. i want to show you photographs that are important to see, even if they are tough to take.
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they are important because it's not only the civilian casualties that we are see, but it goes against what russia has been saying, what they say is the truth. the world needs to see what is happening and absorb the impact of this brutal assault. images show a pregnant woman being carried out of the rubble. they are important because they would seem to suggest, again, that contrary to the russian spokeswoman's accusations, there were, indeed, patients at this hospital when it was hit. pregnant women are typically patients at maternity hospitals. in any event, according to the world health organization, this is not the first medical facility to be hit. it's one of at least 18 according to the world health organization. whatever their responsibility for today's bombing, they have not shied away electric hitting residential areas, far from any military targets. as you have seen repeatedly, they have bombed massive apartment complexes and evacuation routes, specifically evacuation routes out of the areas that they have targeted, killing the very people that
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they have made homeless in first place. take a look. a satellite photo of a neighborhood before the invasion. might as well be main street usa. look at a later image. this is post invasion of the same residential neighborhood. the lighting and camera angle are slightly different. but the destruction is plain to see. according to an advisor, about 1,300 civilians have been killed in that city since the war again. we can't independently confirm that. then there's ukraine's second largest city, the first hit during the war. later, we will bring you a look at it as seen through the eyes of a woman would documented her experience from the beginning of the war through day after day to the moment she and her family were finally forced to flee. we have reports from clarissa ward, nick paton walsh and
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kaitlan collins. we want to give you an overview what has gone on in the last 24 hours, starting with the hospital bombing. >> reporter: the explosion tore through the maternity hospital. the wounded helped out of the building. inside the force ripped apart walls and smashed windows. a city cut off from water and electricity, now without this medical facility. ukraine blames russia for targeting the hospital. >> translator: what kind of country is russian federation that's afraid of hospitals, afraid of maternity wards and destroys them? >> reporter: officials say approximately 1,300 civilians have been killed since russia's invasion began. a city administration building and university were also hit by an apparent russian strike. near the russian border, the regional government said a russian air strike killed 21 civilians monday. and another hospital now
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destroyed. >> they want to create humanitarian crisis in kyiv and other cities. they want to use this as a tool to force zelenskyy and ukrainian parliament for surrender. >> reporter: with civilians dying and many desperate to flee, ukraine is pressuring nato to impose a no-fly zone. >> if you don't close the skies, you will be responsible for this can a at that time trophy. >> reporter: the u.s. and nato have ruled out a no-fly zone. warning it's too close to conflict with russia. there is growing pressure from more security assistance to ukraine. >> the best way is to help the ukrainians with the air defense systems we will be supplying. >> reporter: poland said it was ready to give all of its fighter jets to the united states to then give to ukraine. the pentagon dismissed the idea, concerned it would trigger an escalation with russia. >> the best way to support ukrainian defense is by
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providing them weapons and systems that they need most to defeat russian aggression. in particular, anti-armor and air defense. >> reporter: the russian advance toward kyiv is largely stalled, despite heavy fighting according to a senior defense official, as the russians face supply shortages and morale problems. the ukrainian spirit still on full display. the classic symphony orchestra played a concert. >> it has been said again and again and it bares repeating, the strength of the people here is inspiring in the face of more than most could bare. clarissa ward is in kyiv tonight. what more are you learning? >> reporter: anderson, the first thing to mention is that today was supposed to be a cease-fire. from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.,
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there was supposed to be a cease-fire to let hundreds of thousands of people out of the city who have been pinned down under heavy bombardment. no food, no electricity, no gas, no heat for over a week now. instead of that cease-fire, this is what we saw. a massive crater -- just look at the size of the crater. the impact the bomb made when it landed at this hospital complex. there are a number of hospitals on the area, on the campus of this complex, including that maternity hospital. we are hearing that incredibly it appears just over a dozen -- about 17 people were injured. you can imagine if that bomb had hit 20 feet closer to the actual maternity ward. but you can see those women stumbling out, heavily pregnant. some having just given birth. you can hear the sounds of children and babies crying. you can see they are cut up from
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the enormous destruction. president zelenskyy had said that they are still looking and combing through the rubble to make sure that there are no people trapped under there. the thing that is most chilling about it, which you mentioned, anderson, but i think it bares re-visiting, is that the foreign ministry spokesperson had said a few hours before this attack that that hospital was being used by nationalists as a kind of military base and that there were no patients and no staff there. you can see very clearly from the images, the evidence, photographs, videos that there were women and children there. that there were staff there. so the question becomes now, is this just a case of russia having a flagrant disregard for civilian life, or is this actively targeting civilian targets? as the mayor said, the crimes of
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the occupiers -- listhis words, these crimes will go to the international criminal court in the hague to be adjudicated, anderson. >> kaitlan collins at the white house. can you talk about the warning from the white house that russia could use chemical weapons in ukraine? >> reporter: it's hard to imagine things on the ground can get worse than what clarissa laid out, but that's what the white house fears tonight. they are now saying, be prepared for putin to use chemical or biological weapons in ukraine. the reason they are saying that is because for several days now, russian officials have been making claims that the white house says are false that the united states is developing biological weapons in ukraine. that's something that has been pushed by chinese officials. it's something the white house says is a conspiracy theory on behalf of russia. this is a very familiar tactic of the kremlin leader. he accuses countries and people of doing what he himself is planning on doing.
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therefore, they are concerned that this could be another step that he takes here. that he does not have a red line here of what he would not cross. this is something he would do. they pointed to his own track record where they have poisoned people, where he supported syria who has gassed his own people. that's the concern they have now. that this is something he could be preparing to do. this is something that secretary blinken warned about before the invasion started. he said he feared putin could use -- stage a chemical weapons attack or do a real chemical weapons attack to have a pretext for invading. he is two weeks in. it has not gone the way putin thought this was going to go. the concern at the white house is that he may be preparing to use chemical weapons in ukraine. >> nick paton walsh, you were in southern ukraine. can you talk about what the importance -- strategic importance is of that area and what we know is going on there in the town itself?
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>> reporter: yes. the last we heard from the regional head on telegram was that he couldn't go into detail, but the city was under attack from the north. 48 hours ago, we saw signs what have many people are warning may be occurring, russian troops trying to move to the north of the city, across, down from about 3:00 you might say around to about 10:00, anti-clockwise pressuring down the river and cutting bits of it off from access to the rest of ukraine. that did spark a warning to get everyone out on the street, leaving tires on crossroads. molotov cocktails joined them this morning. it's interesting sometimes, the absolute quiet and still here is occasionally broken by a rattle
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of -- i think it's distance, what sounded like some kind of gunfire. they are in the balance. quiet to itself but the sounds of impact around it. we saw ourselves, later in the hour, the damage done to anything from an elderly couple's home to a vegetable warehouse. very intense bombing happening there. it appear that they are not looking for specific military targets. just to exact a cost on the local population. it's important because the russians need control to encircle it, to feel it's no longer on their lifst of militay objectives. they can move west along the black sea coast. until we started talking, it has been silent all night. >> appreciate it. as you can figure out, we were
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just showing -- using his audio. we don't have his image. it's tenuous, the situation. getting a live broadcast out and security issues at stake as well. we appreciate him making the effort to get the message out and reporting out from today. clarissa, you have been reporting on evacuations since saturday when you were there. there was the attack -- direct attack on the evacuation point on sunday. what was the situation there earlier today? have people been able to leave? >> reporter: today was one of the few more successful attempts at implementing those humanitarian corridors and lawing civilians to flee from some of the hardest hit areas. according to kyiv officials, some 3,000 people were able to get not just out of the area but some of the other suburbs of kyiv as well that have been under pretty much constant bombardment now. the question becomes, how do you get the rest of the people out?
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there are still so many people. there's no sense that there's going to be at this stage another humanitarian corridor or a cease-fire tomorrow. we heard reports that things did not go perfectly today. in the suburb of bucha, we were told that 50 buses loaded with people were blocked from proceeding into the relative safety of the city center. they had to be turned around. the question becomes, when can you get these people out? there have been some hope that there's a meeting between the russian foreign minister and his ukrainian counterpart in turkey, that potentially there would be another window for a cease-fire for those humanitarian car corridors. ukrainian officials called for that to happen. we haven't heard from the russian side about whether we can expect to see at least a continued effort to try to facilitate those evacuations,
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which have been happening. there has been a steady stream. they are certainly not happening at the speed and pace with which ukrainian authorities would like to see them implemented, anderson. >> as you mentioned, there was a cease-fire today and the maternity ward hospital was hit. clarissa ward, kaitlan collins, thank you. a look inside. clarissa ward was in the second largest city in the east of ukraine. second largest city in all of ukraine, on the eastern border. one woman's account of living through the brutal siege that europe has not seen since the second world war, that's coming up. later, we will talk to military folks. they take on what ukraine needs most in their fight. a lot of talk about they want a no-fly zone, they want planes. that may not be the greatest need that they actually have. we will look at what the r
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that seemed to be an air bombardment from a plane. a power plant and a residential area was hit. so many millions of ukrainians have watched shells and bombs and rockets fall where they live. few have seen worse than the people of kharkiv. reporting from there has been extremely difficult, because of the near constant bombardment. clarissa ward was there. we have not had much -- no direct cnn presence there since. what you are about to see is rare, which makes it more important. dan rivers filed this report about one woman who turns the camera on herself as she watches her city assaulted. >> reporter: kharkiv is resembling the 21st century
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stalingrad. russia is laying siege. amid this, the residents are surviving. the day after a missile slammed into kharkiv's town hall, we asked a resident of the city to document what's happening to her home. >> my city, kharkiv, is under contact attack, bombing, rocket fire, artillery fire, all day, nonstop. just today, four russian warplanes flew near my house. >> reporter: she's trying to keep her body, mind and soul together with her family in their apartment where they are sheltering from the bombs. >> this is our hiding place. it's a vestibule area between two walls with no windows. we also have a little bit of
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space for our bunny rabbit. i just found out russians have bombed my favorite place in kha kharkiv. i feel really angry. look what they have done. i celebrated my birthday one time in this bar. >> reporter: as the siege tightens, so does her struggle to survive forces her to go outside. >> me and my sister are going to get water. my sister is going to fill this bottle. all set. the elevator is not working for
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ten days now. so we need to walk on stairs. go, go. this is how we do it. >> reporter: he hadr sleep is interrupted by the sound of warplanes as the bombing intensifies. >> have some good news. my family is alive. i am alive. my house is still standing. my friends are okay. no one i personally know have yet died during russian invasion of ukraine. i have electricity, drinking water, some food. not much but enough. >> reporter: each day the bombing are falling closer. this is the university sports
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complex. >> we heard very loud explosion. the doors shook. windows, too. this was it. apocalypse now. among the ruins, we have found a little dog. look at him. my sister said he is really trembling really hard. last night was probably the most terrifying night of my life. kharkiv was terribly bombarded last night. air strikes all over the city. dozens of buildings destroyed.
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terrifying thing, we are going to leave, if we live that long, of course. i don't want to leave. i won't be leaving ukraine. we will be moving to somewhere just farther away from russian border. i don't know why we're being bombarded. >> one family's count. that report and those images raise no shortage of questions, including what it says about how russia is fighting this war. we will take that up next with a retired general who argues the ukrainians need to be equipped for guerrilla tactics he thinks they are using so well.
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the ukrainians have been talking about the no-fly zone. i heard you and others, general hertling, talking about that planes may not be the greatest source of their concern of attacks from the sky, that it's really artillery, mortar, it's missile fire. is that correct? >> absolutely. if you take a look at the amount of destruction that has been done up to this point, that is not being done, as you saw in the last clip, with a couple of bombs coming off antic aircraft. that's fire from rockets and missiles and artillery pieces that are effectively con dducti a barrage of the towns. >> how far away would that be? you are not talking about mortar fire up close. is this long range? >> it can be anywhere from about 20 kilometers, which are -- they
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are typical artillery, back to 100 kilometers, where the missiles will be firing from. it's a bombardment capability in depth. the mortars will be closer. but it looks to me like this is most ly howitzer and cannons. >> even if there was a no-fly zone and planes -- u.s. planes in the sky or french planes or whatever, they would be vulnerable not only to that fire from the ground but they also -- the next step would be them having to try to take out those artillery pieces, which is a whole other uptick in a direct confrontation with russia. >> but i think the ukrainian aircraft could do that. that's a pretty good target for them to be going after. i knew i was a target as an
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artilleryman. the ukrainian air force isn't flying. it tells me the russians have set up a good air defense system inside of ukraine. that's why they are keeping the ukrainian aircraft on the ground. >> what do you think is the greatest need right now for ukrainian forces? how effective do you think they can be if russia does ultimately occupy major cities, kharkiv, even kyiv? how capable are they at a guerrilla war? >> there are two fights we will see. one you are familiar with, anderson. that's the rear fight. as you remember from your times in iran, the insurgents were not attacking the big bases. they were going after vehicle convoys. they were going after humvees. they were attacking what we call the soft underbelly. that's one fight which is the
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ukrainian military and partisan capability to go into the soft underbelly behind those front lines. that's where the supply depots are. that's where the artillery bases are. that's where the logistics convoys are. that's where the railroad are. that's what they ought to be attacking in hit and run tactics. then there's another fight. that's the fight inside the city. those are two really different fights that the ukrainians are going to be facing once this battle for the city starts. >> how capable are russian ground forces in city combat? >> well, remember, the most important steps in city combat is, number one, surround it with your units. then start the bombardments, sieging of it. rubble the city.
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then you storm it with huge amounts of troops. the defender in city combat has about a ten to one advantage. for them, every rubble building is a sniper position. for them, every road is a chance to bring in tanks and shoot them up. every vehicle out there is a target for ieds that the city defenders can use. the ukrainians have a very, very good defensive capability in city fighting. i think outside in that other fight, getting into their rear lines, cutting off the supply convoys especially, they have a pretty good chance of, if not defeating the russians, certainly allowing the russians to win nothing more than a small victory. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> sure. russian president vladimir putin doesn't want the world to know the truth about this war. he puts a lockdown on media
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as hard as it is to look at, it's important not to look away. to recognize and see with open eyes what is happening. it's on display for the world to see. the same cannot be said for russia. that's a lockdown on free press there since the law was passed late last week threatening more -- around a decade of jail time to any reporter who called the war a war, who reported on what was happening. it had a chilling affect on the free press there. most left over the next 24 hours. jill doherty was one of them. she took this picture as she was leaving the cnn offices that day. she was our bureau chief for nearly ten years. she joins us from washington where she has returned. you were there in moscow working when the law passed. what was your reaction? >> i had reported on it. i came to work. i was working the overnight. i had a bunch of live shots scheduled. then all of a sudden they were canceled.
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what we decided to do was cancel them, because that law was so unclear in terms of what it meant for foreign journalists. it was obvious what it meant for russian journalists. use the word war, use the word invasion, use the word attack instead of this special military operation and you could land 15 years in prison. what we wanted to do was establish what does it mean. we didn't do anything for a while trying to figure that out. >> you have spent a lot of your life living and working in russia. will you be able to go back? >> you know, anderson, when i took that selfie, i took it because i really wanted a symbol for me of perhaps the last time that i will be there. i honestly don't know. i want to go back. i'm not a full-time reporter. but i go back a lot. it's a place i'm very interested in. i think it's so important to be
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able to have not only foreign journalists but also russian journalists able to cover whatever is happening. right now, the independent media are decimated. there's no way that they can cover much of anything in an objective way, because they are not allowed to. in fact, around that time, i was talking to friends, i had coffee with friends, and most of them were saying -- they were trying to figure out where to go next. remember, anderson, cnn really has a storied history in moscow. cnn covered the coup in 1991. russians watched cnn to see what was happening in their own country. it's a very -- it's a well-known bureau. to have that not working up to its full potential i think is damaging for world news and for russians. >> we have seen control of media
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by -- in the soviet union for decades. is this more than has ever occurred in russia? is this soviet level? is it more than that? >> well, you know, the soviet level is different because there was no internet. you could just chop everything off. it's very different now. i would say it's draconian, it's all encompassing. but there are ways that people can get information. you can use tools on the internet. we have telegram. i'm sure you are using that. other people are. telegram and other channels you can use. essentially, when you cut -- when you just stop independent broadcasting and that approach to news and then see what russian state tv is doing, it's just all day 24 hours a day showing pictures not even of what's going on in kyiv. it's not showing that war.
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it's showing the donbas region. it's a non-real image of the world. younger people don't watch tv. they really don't. older people do. older people are people who vote for president putin. they make up the majority of the country. that's what the kremlin watches and looks at. >> jill doherty, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you so much. ahead, i want to introduce you to a family of ukrainians i met today, including one very sweet little girl as well as her baby sister. their parents are doing everything they can to keep their girls' lives as normal as possible even as they had to leave two homes to keep ahead of a war. why have over two million people welcomed bath fitter ininto their homes? it just fits. bath fitter. callll now or visit bathfitter.m
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you've seen the tremendous number of people, some 2 million people, who have fled ukraine and become refugees. they've crossed the border into poland, romania, and moldova. we wanted to show you some of the people who have been internally displaced, people who don't want to leave ukraine. they've stayed here. in some cases their husbands are fighting, their boichbds or parents are on the front lines. but they want to stay in this country, and yet they have children to raise and have to figure out how to build a new life while the war is going on. here's one family we met today in lviv. >> reporter: it's good to know there are some children in ukraine who have no idea the war has come. >> you like the sound of the pigeons? >> reporter: in lviv, a little girl named eva delights in feeding pigeons in the park. she's three years old, but this is not her home. she arrived two weeks ago with
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her mother, anna, and her father and baby sister from kharkiv. >> do they understand what's going on? >> translator: no. we are lucky because when bombing started in kharkiv, it was 5:00 a.m. and she was asleep. she didn't wake up. all of her basic necessary things were already packed. do you understand? my husband and i, we just grabbed documents, our photo cards, my child's toy, and the suitcase that was already packed. we sat in the car and drove straight away. every day he filled up the car with gasoline so we would be ready. we expected this to happen. we are from donetsk. we have gone through this before. >> what do you tell a child about what is happening? >> translator: an adventure, just an adventure. >> reporter: the kids think it's an adventure, but for anna and temor, it's more like a nightmare. it's the second time they've
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lost their home. in 2014, when russia invaded, they lived in donetsk and had to flee to kharkiv. now, they're displaced again. >> translator: they will never defeat us because this is our land. i just want the whole world to help so our kids don't die. yesterday, i saw in the news that a baby died from thirst because its mom was crushed under the building. i cannot imagine that. i want the world to help us to stop it. >> reporter: temor has volunteered to fight. he may be called up any day now. you've taken a military course, but you've never fought before. are you -- are you worried about it? are you scared? >> translator: i am ready to defend my country. >> ukraine will win. >> translator: nobody can defeat
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us. >> reporter: for now, timor volunteers moving and packing supplies for soldiers on the front lines. how do you keep things normal? >> simple really, cartoons. >> translator: cartoons, drawing, dancing. >> translator: now we are playing hide and seek, so they can learn to hide when it will be needed. maybe they will come here. >> reporter: you pretend everything is normal for them? >> this place is not -- >> the war can come here. when you go to fight, will your family stay here? >> yeah. >> yeah. you don't want them to go to another country? >> translator: i love my country, and my wife loves our country. we don't leave our motherland. >> reporter: like so many here, they plan to stay, one family determined not to flee anymore. well, still more to come tonight, including the latest in those humanitarian corridors and the efforts often thwarted by
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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com well, the day here began with hope, very limited to be sure, as russia opened evacuation corridors so civilians could leave a number of besieged areas. several thousand made it out, however things went less smoothly elsewhere. mariupol was bombed. prior to the attack, russia accused ukrainians of turning into a combat post and sending patients and staff away. wounded civilians, including pregnant women, would seem to say otherwise. that photo says otherwise. for every allegation from russia that ukrainians have brought this on themselves or even been attacking themselves, the evidence all across this country, that is simply plain to see. late today we got access from a report from inside kharkiv,
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which has seen precious little reporting since the beginning of the war, kharkiv is simply put being levelled by non-stop russian bombardment. the report is from itv's dan rivers, and it centers on one woman in kharkiv who turns the camera on herself, as she watches her city assaulted. >> i'm not going to take much because i'm hoping i will return soon enough. this is just necessities, like going on a trip, but an awful one, i guess. so, i can no longer withstand the constant bombing, especially after last night, which was truly a terrifying thing. we are going
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