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we have to report that the two were reunited. linsey posted this to her instagram account. you see three photo there is. on the left, oleksandr protecting linsey minutes before the attack, literally covering her with his body. at the top right, just moments before the attack, in that last photo is the reunion. linsey says he's got shrapnel in his leg and stones in his back. the doctor says in one month he'll be in good condition. as you can tell, ukrainians are not backing off this fight, far from it. some russian soldiers just miles from kyiv are being met with serious resistance. latest developments from ukraine next.
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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com russian forces are growing closer to kyiv, as near as nine miles in one area. new satellite images show their massive convoy north of the city, which has been stalled for weeks, is off the roads and dispersed, concealed in nearby towns and rural areas. you can see tire tracks and vehicles in this small town. according to the company that produces these images, they show that some elements of it, most notably toad artillery, are taking cover in sparse patches of trees northwest of the air base in hostomel, which is a critical air base. you can see the tire tracks in the field in the upper left portion of the frame there. ten miles norlgt of the base, a number of fuel trucks appears to be multiple rocket launchers are seen in a field near a wooded area just off the road. retired four star general david petraeus was on the program in the last hour and said they're now doing, those russian forces,
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what any well-trained forces would have done from the outset, find cover. he also weighed in on a russian tank column outside kyiv that failed to do that, had tanks bunched up all together and paid the price, wiped out in an ambush. ukraine's video prorided the video. we provided the translation from russian on screen. [ speaking foreign language ] >> now, watching this, general
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petraeus said that what he saw suggested russian fors could face difficulty taking the c capital kyiv. i'm quoting him now, i'm starting to think they may not even be able to encircle kyiv. >> reporter: the aftermath of fierce fighting east of the ukrainian capital. this is what you get when you invade ukrainian land, he says. russian forces attempt to encircle kyiv. ukrainian military says it's defeated an entire regiment of russian tanks and liquidated its commander. drone video captured the armored column in the city being attacked and destroyed, the latest battlefield win, in what is proving, for now, to be a determined ukrainian sound. on the diplomatic front, stalemate. despite the highest level talks
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since this russian/ukraine conflict began, ukrainian officials tell cnn the russian side appeared unwilling or unable to make a deal. >> we also raised the issue of a ceasefire, 24-hour ceasefire, to resolve the most pressing humanitarian issues. we did not make progress on this since it seems that there are other decision makers for this -- for this matter in russia. >> reporter: it's these gut wrenching scenes in the ukrainian city of mariupol provoking wide international scorn. ma ternty hospital devastated russian forces, according to ukrainian forces killing at least three people inside, including a child. horrific images are circulating like this one of pregnant women
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bloodied during the attack. the foreign minister claiming this was a legitimate strike, not a war crime. >> at a meeting of the u.n. security council, our delegation presented facts about this maternity hospital having long been seized by the bah ttalion d other radicals and they have driven all the pregnant women out of it. >> reporter: but in cities across ukraine, trapped civilians are desperately escaping the fighting. these scenes are north of kyiv, where nearly half the city's population has fled. with no peace inside, ukraine's capital is emptying, as russian forces advance. >> that was matthew chance in kyiv reporting for us. joining us now from the neglecterland, natasha bertrand, who has new reporting now on the state of the battle, as seen
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from the air. you flew in one of the nato planes earlier that was conducting a surveillance mission. where was that and what did you see? >> reporter: that's right, anderson. we flew in a nato aircraft that was conducting a surveillance mission over the polish/ukrainian border looking at what the activity was in ukrainian airspace. and what they saw is there are a lot of russian-made aircraft that have been taking off from belarus and entering ukrainian airspace in order to support those russian military operations. the nato airmen who were on board today told us that they have seen in the last week or so, last two weeks, that the vast majority of the russian-made aircraft that is entering ukrainian airspace to enter this fight is in fact coming from belarus, really driving home just how important belarus has been to russia to help them sustain this conflict. take a listen to what one nato technician told me today. >> do you see activity coming
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from belarus going into the ukraine, but we cannot distinguish whether it's belarusian or russian aircraft. but sometimes there are certain periods on the day which are not on a regular basis where we do have a lot of activity getting in, like a larger package with 10 to 20 aircraft coming in from the belarusian airspace into ukraine. >> so, interestingly, anderson, they cannot tell via their radar who is operating this russian-made aircraft. the russians and the belarusians use the same types of fighter jets. so, therefore it is unclear whether the russians or the belarusians have been entering ukraine. but what is clear is that these missions have been flown into ukraine in order to support the russian military operations there, anderson. >> well, all the intelligence that nato is gathering, are they sharing with it ukraine? >> reporter: they're sharing it with nato allies in real time.
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and those nato allies then have at their discretion the intelligence that they can then provide to ukraine directly. so, nato, as a block, obviously has been very reluctant to reveal that it is in any way providing weaponry or intelligence to ukraine because they do not want to be seen by russia as having entered the conflict here. but what they told us today when asked about the intelligence getting the kyiv, they said that, look, all we can tell you is that this is going to our nato allies, and then it is at their discretion what they want to do with their intelligence. of course the united states and the uk have been very forthright saying they have been providing such intelligence directly to ukraine. joining us now is president of the eurasia group, author of "power of crisis: three threats and how our response will change the world." i know you think vladimir putin won't stop until he has taken
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control of kyiv and ukraine has toppled, how do you see the -- what do you see the next stages of this battle being? >> well, the next stages are that the ukrainians are still going to occupy a lot of ukraine. and they're going to have incredible support, economic, diplomatic, and military support from all of nato, which means that putin's still going to have a significant fight on his hands. the big problem here, anderson, is that even if kyiv is taken and zelenskyy is overthrown, the fact is that putin will be in radically worse position politically inside his own country, economically in terms of how russia is doing, and also geopolitically, especially in europe, which was supposed to be why he invaded ukraine to begin with. there's no circumstance under which putin looks like a winner here. and therefore it's really hard to figure out any way for him to climb down to negotiations to
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work. >> if vladimir putin's forces do occupy kyiv, occupy kharkiv, you know, there was that old saying in iraq by u.s. forces, if you break it -- i think it was colin powell's phrase -- you break it, you bought it. it's going to be a huge drain on russia to have a -- suddenly now be an occupier in ukraine, let alone a guerilla struggle against the occupier, just economically dealing with what do you do with ukraine once you take charge of it? >> i think it's pretty clear that putin's original intention was that the ukrainians were going to fall pretty quickly, he wasn't going to have to kill many civilians at all. he wasn't targeting them in the early days, let's be clear. and he would be welcomed as a liberator. we've heard that before, of course, and not just from the russians. but that is not in any way the way this is going right now. so, you're of course very right that he can take kyiv, but it's
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not like he's won ukraine, not at all. it's not like he's able to re-establish an russian empire and become putin the great. that's not where this is heading. but it's also very hard to imagine that putin can be forced out domestically, at least not any time soon, which means if you ask me how this looks when it's over, my response is, what do you mean over, anderson? there's no time soon that you can imagine either the sanctions are being removed or putin feels like he's in a stable situation or we can look forward to even a frozen conflict on the ground in ukraine. the ukrainians aren't going to suddenly say, okay we're done, and we'll just sit in a rump of the west of the country while putin and his forces occupy the rest of it. that's just not on. the very best scenario here looks to be a minimum of 5 million ukrainian refugees and another 35 to 40 million that are occupied directly by a
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brutal russian force. that's not stability going forward. >> especially 35 million people who hate the occupier and i mean with a burning passion, understandably, and seem more than capable of maintaining an ongoing guerilla fight, whether it's in cities or in the countryside. >> seem more than willing. and of course a big part of the problem is that information warfare, which is being won in extravagant fashion by zelenskyy all over the world. so, there's going to be an enormous amount of willingness to continue to support the ukrainians from the west, from nato, from europe, from the united states. and yet inside russia, the average russian believes that this is a war that is being fought unfairly by the ukrainians, that indeed russians have had genocide perpetrated by them. again, fake news by the ukrainians on the ground in the
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donbas, that the reason the russian economy is collapsing is because of nato. it's really hard. we've seen a tiny bit of this in our own united states, anderson. this is that times 100 for the russians vis-a-vis ukraine. and with that kind of completely different information circle by the russians and by the rest of the world, how do you possibly bring these two sides together? >> yeah. ian bremer, i appreciate you being with us. thank you so much. >> always good to be with you. coming up next, mary poll, a city under siege running out of virtually everything people need to survive. later a live report from poland where refugees just keep arriving. we're telling their stories ahead. move to sofi and feel what it's l like to get your money right. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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circled and besieged city of mariupol. >> translator: no matter what, we will try constantly. we will continue to try to bring to mariupol the aid that people so desperately need, ukrainians need. >> well, the need in mariupol is beyond extreme. cnn's phil black has more. >> reporter: when you hear ukrainian city is under siege, cut off and under bombardment by russian forces, this is what that means. no one knows how many people have been killed in mariupol. but it's too many to allow the care and dignity that usually comes with death. relatively few images have escaped mariupol since the siege began. these were captured by photojournalists, who says he saw around 70 bodies buried in this trench over two days. they arrived wrapped in whatever
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people could find and use, plastic bags. this shows why it's likely there are many more, mariupol suffering from above. before and after, satellite images reveal extraordinary devastation in commercial and shopping areas, residential neighborhoods too. russian munitions are steadily wiping out this city. it's already unlivable. there is no food, water, or power. ukraine's president, volodymyr zelenskyy, says a child in mariupol has died of dehydration probably for the first time since the nazi invasion. during a meeting in turkey, the ukrainian foreign minister says he asked his russian counterpart for a humanitarian corridor to allow people to leave mariupol. >> unfortunately, minister lavrov was not in a position to commit himself to it. but he will correspond with
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respective authorities. >> reporter: that means sergey lavrov has to ask his boss. russia's top diplomat was comfortable repeating russia's explanation for bombing a maternity hospital in mariupol on wednesday. the russian version says there were no staff in these buildings, just soldiers. this is the reality captured in the moments immediately after the blast. an obvious pregnant woman is stretchered from the side. another hurt, bleeding, walks out carrying what she can. russians often honor the bravery and determination shown by their own citizens who were besieged by nazi forces in the second world war. now russia is inflicting that same suffering on the people of mariupol. phil black, cnn london. >> let's get some perspective on
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these russian siege tactic. joining us nato allied commander general wesley clark. you saw phil black's report, these horrific facts on mariupol. i'm wondering what your reaction to this strategically? is this simply to destroy any resistance in that vitally important town to the russians so that they can move in without engaging in street by street combat? >> that's exactly right, anderson. that is part of what they're doing. they don't have the skills or personnel to really do that urban fighting. this is also a campaign of intimidation and terrorism. and what they want to do is use mariupol as an example to the rest of ukraine and to the world to show that putin means what he says. he's going to take it no matter the cost. he doesn't care about the civilian casualties or the rules
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or warfare or any humanitarian issue. he wants what he wants. he doesn't care how many people are killed. he's going to take it. that coupled with the diplomatic discussions going on with lavrov today, just another example of how the russians operate. so, the diplomatic discussions, they raise hopes in the west. they forestall decisive action by nato member states and other states. they slow things down at the u.n. they give the russians more time to put the squeeze on, and they also put the pressure on zelenskyy to explain, well, why is he allowing this to continue. this is all part of an integrated russian strategy run by vladimir putin. this shows the -- this is the case of what could happen to kyiv if we don't provide the support that's needed and provide that support in the immediate future. i hear a lot of discussions about, well, maybe there will be a guerilla campaign and things like this. yeah, that's a great excuse for
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not providing the support. there have been campaigning in guerilla warfare in ukraine. the last in the second world war, it was quickly shut down. the russians aren't us. they don't have human rights, ports of law. they just arrest people, shoot them, or disappear them. so, we shouldn't expect that if kyiv falls, there's going to be a great wall of resistance that lasts forever and bogs putin down in ukraine. it's not going to be that way. these people that are left behind will either eliminate it or they'll be eliminated. look, anderson, in 2015, when russia was going into syria, i heard people in the white house saying, well, let him have the quagmire in syria, you know, he can't do anything with it. wrong. russia's in syria now, and israel, our ally that we've done so much for for 70 years won't support us and what we're doing in ukraine because they consider
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russia occupying syria as their northern neighbor and they're afraid. so, don't underestimate the consequences if we don't provide ukraine the military support it needs now. and we've got a big em brogue leo about these polish. we've dised the no fly zone. i can't tell you what the gives and takes are, but i will tell you this. there are ways to get significant assets in to help ukraine, and we must not think that we can somehow let this country slip away and be unaffected by it. the strongest way to defend nato now is to support ukraine. it's a stronger opponent against russia than anything we've got. and if we let ukraine slide away and lose kyiv and zelenskyy goes, china's watching, taiwan's there. there are other nato countries that are vulnerable.
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america's credibility is on the line. and also the rules-based international system is on the line. the place to defend that system is here and now in kyiv. and now our military political leaders got top find a way to do it. they've got to take the risks, got to keep them in the conflict against russia. if we do that, it is winnable. >> it's an interesting perspective and an important one that you say the difference is, you know, when you're fighting a guerilla against a guerilla force, if you have -- if you don't care about a civilian population, if you don't care about overreacting and just eliminate everybody, it's much harder -- it's much easier to defeat a guerilla force than when you have different concerns and concerns about killing innocent civilians. general clark, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. ahead, a live update on the mass exodus to escape the war in ukraine. the latest on the growing refugee crisis next. of us
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more than 2 million people have now fled ukraine in the last two weeks according to an estimate from the united nations. now, the bulk of them, around 1.5 million, have made their way to neighboring poland, according to the president. they're also, more than a million or so -- i think 1.8 is the last i heard -- internally
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displaced people inside the country of ukraine. those in poland face uncertain future. sara sidner is live at the polish border with the very latest. how busy is the border right now just in the middle of the night? >> reporter: you know, usually it's really busy, but there does become a lull. and we're in that lull right now, as we wait. there are buses lined up ready for people to come. but i want to give you some idea. it is negative 6 degrees. it is incredibly cold. and i want to show you what's happening because this is one of the scout's organizations in poland. they've set up a little tent so people can be inside, put their luggage inside, and get warm, if you will. not that warm but at least out of the elements. and then there are people here who have been helping out, anderson. and they are giving aid and they're literally living in the tents. they're staying overnight so that when more refugees come flooding in, they will be able
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to help them and give them medical aid if needed. i do want to mention the children because you mentioned them. it is so difficult to see them. we have seen infants being cradled by their mothers. we have seen, you know, 5, 6, 7 year olds who were just standing here in line for hours. and we have seen everybody up to 17, 18 year olds who are here with their families. and each one of them has a different story about what they've experienced. we have also talked to a woman who cares for foster kids and orphans who were orphans and foster kids in ukraine and suddenly were faced with war. this is just a bit of what she says she experienced when she knew that war had come to their town. >> it was around 4:00 a.m. i woke my husband up and told him, this is war. we started to seal the windows. the children started to scream.
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i was trying to calm him, look at me, breathe. we're going to seal the windows. everything is under control. now we need to stop the panic and help us. >> she was with one of those foster children, and you know, the child was terrified hearing these huge blasts. and she said, look, we are trained -- because she is a psychologist for the sos children's village. said, we are trained that war and sexual abuse are the two worse things for children. they take care of children from all different backgrounds, including those who have been abused in many different ways and those who have lost their parents altogether. those children, we met them, and i have to tell you, anderson, you know, they were playing like kids. but one of them struck me. he kept playing with this little ambulance, and you could hear him going woo, woo, woo over and over and over again. it just -- it broke my heart. anderson? >> yeah, sara sidner, so glad
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welcome back. we're live in lviv, ukraine. the international atomic agency has cost communications with the chernobyl power plant. just days ago, power was disconnected. there are reports the russians have restored power, but the iaea says it cannot confirm that. it says the loss of power will not have critical impact on the central safety functions. joined by physics professor at the city university of new york. professor, we obviously have no way of confirming whether power has been restored to the chernobyl site. the iaea says even kyiv has lost communications with the power plant. what are you most concerned about at this point? >> well, i think potentially this is a disaster waiting to happen.
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realize that there are several hundred tons, several hundred tons of high level nuclear waste stored on site from four nuclear power plants, and this is a war zone. imagine what happens if a shell goes off course. instead of hitting an orphanage of a hospital, it hits one of the cooling ponds. at that point, cooling water could be lost, temperature rods begin to rise, then you have chernobyl 2.0. and just remember that throughout europe, there's panic buying now of antiradiation pills. they're fake, of course. but in belgium, in finland, in other countries, people are lining up to buy these fake anti-radiation pills because they remember -- they remember what happened back in 1986. so, the fact that the ukrainian government has lost contact with the reactor is a theory of that sign. we are now operating blind. we don't know what's happening on site. >> we should point out there are
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air raid sirens going off now, and you hear that automated voice telling people to seek shelter. this is the first time they've really had air raid sirens in the last several days in lviv. there haven't been direct attacks on lviv yet during this conflict. so, there's a little anxious to hear the sirens as i said in the first time in several days. ukraine's foreign minister said the backup generators can only run for 48 hours. the cooling system stopped running, he said radiation leek would be imminent. is that alarmist? is that realistic? >> well, in the best case scenario it is alarmist in the sense that they are old. these cooling rods are 20 years old. radiation levels have dropped. however, that is the best case scenario. in worst case scenarios, there could be fires. there could be a fire fight. shells could go off court and land in the spent fuel pond.
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the spent fuel pond is ground zero for a nuclear accident. if a hand grenade goes off, it could shatter this, which was never designed to handle a wartime situation. at that point cooling water is lost, temperatures begin to rise, these rods begin to be pulverized and nuclear waste could be lobbed into the environment and vaporized into dust form. and we're talking about a nuclear accident in enormous proportion. again, that is worst case scenario. >> some 210 workers are being held hostage at chernobyl. they're reportedly being forced to work at gun point in horrible conditions, limited access to medicine. what does that mean for the upkeep of nuclear safety? >> that's a very bad indication because you want people who are alert, who can sense emergency situations as they occur. these people have not gotten
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sleep. they've been working under the gun, as you mentioned, and they're not in top physical form. and they don't want to be there, in fact. their loved ones are perhaps being killed or sent over to other countries. they don't want to be there. and so i think that's a very dangerous situation because you have to have top people monitoring these things, especially in wartime, to make sure that the spent fuel ponds are not affected and are not compromised in any way whatsoever. so, that's a very bad indication. >> ukrainian officials are raising alarm. so far is iaea has down played the potential for major accident. how do you square those two reactions? >> well, the iaea based in vienna is a branch of the u.n. they try to give you the best case scenario, that everything goes according to plan, that the situation calms down because they don't want people to panic.
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so, they're thinking best case scenario. remember this is wartime. people are dying. there are fires breaking out. there are mortars and hand grenades going off in the vicinity of chernobyl. so, the ukrainians, i think are taking a more realistic and practical point of view, saying that things could go wrong. and if things go wrong, then all bets are off. if you have an explosive taking place, nuclear waste will escape. >> yeah. professor, i appreciate your time. thank you so much. i spoke, by the way, the building we're in now, they also have an automated system that has now said people should seek shelter downstairs. this is one of those things that people in lviv face, given the fact there has not been a direct attack here, it's difficult to see what kind of gauge. is this just an aircraft that happened to be coming by or some reason the alarms went off usually they turn out to be nothing so far.
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so, people weigh the difficulty in getting down to a shelter or staying where they are. it is the middle of the night here after all. i spoke with one composer who escape frd kyiv as the assault in the capital escalates. you'll hear how he's using his gift of music here to help others. his story next. lavender baths calmed him. so we madede a plan to turn bath time into a business. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor atat nm.com we hit the bike trails every weekend
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for many here music has been a comfort amid this war from the singing in shelters to playing piano for refugees as they cross over the border. music has been a beacon of hope for many, including a man named alexi who is using his gift of music to try and help ukrainians. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: it's rare these days that alexi schmmoak can
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lose himself in his music. the ukrainian composer, he recently left kyiv for the relative safety of lviv. >> how are you doing? >> i'm alive, and now it is a privilege. >> it's a privilege to be alive? >> yeah, yeah, it's a privilege to be alive, and also it is a privilege to be in our norm mind. >> the war takes over the mind for some people? >> yes, it's like very fast changing of everything. >> reporter: alexi is now organizing online concerts to raise money for ukraine. >> is music a way of fighting for you? >> music is a way of constructing and keeping me in some normal mind. >> keeping you sane? >> yeah, me playing piano, i feel like, you know, it's
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something like mysterious, even religious because i feel like some power is connected with me. >> when you play? >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> you feel some power? >> yeah, yeah, yeah, but like me doing something with piano keys with harmonious sounds, it makes me more power and feel healthy. >> it gives you a foaeeling a control, of power. >> i understand it is like a very beautiful illusion, but if it helps, just use it, you know. >> and it helps, music helps you right now? >> yes, i think so. i hope so. ♪ >> reporter: music seems to help other people here as well. on wednesday in kyiv, the remnants of the classic symphony orchestra performed in maidan square, and over the weekend the
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polish border, a german man set up a piano playing music for refugees streaming across. ♪ alexi often taught and performed in russia, but that was before the invasion changed everything. >> you would no longer work in russia? >> i will not even visit russia or places which russia occupies or destroys, like, you know, belarus and other things. >> you have relatives in your own family -- >> from russia. >> who support the war. >> yeah, unfortunately, yes. so i mean, imagine killing putin and changing russian government, but what should we do with these people, with millions of people that think that ukraine is not a real country, that ukrainians are not a real nation. what should we do with them?
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i i. >> i mean, it is one of the remarkable things that families are divided. that there are families, relatives in russia who don't believe what is actually happening here. >> it's even more dangerous. i unfortunately, i know a lot of people in russia who support even war against civilians, and they like wish death to their brothers, kids, and so on. >> reporter: there is no telling when or if russia will turn its artillery towards lviv. there's no telling how much longer music here will be played. >> the war can get much worse. >> i don't want to be like cassandra who say that everything will be worse and
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earlier in the program we interviewed an american man named david walzer who this 2020 had a child born via surrogate in ukraine. when he saw what was happening in ukraine, he came to poland because he just wanted to help. he didn't know what he would do, but he just wanted to do something. he ended up going to the train station anst
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