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that's more than a third, 38%. what this leads to ultimately in terms of mitigation measures, i don't know. and that's obviously a question that's science and then the policy and it may be different in different areas around the country. again, we have to pay attention to these signs and what's happening in europe. >> we certainly will. dr. sanjay gupta, thank you very much for watching to our vi viewers. erin burnett starts right now. up next, biden headed to nato headquarters as putin ramps up his attacks on civilians. ukrainians accusing russian troops of holding people hostage. remember the woman who protested the war, you saw her last night, she tells us what she went through after being arrested. and people are telling us
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that what putin is doing is a crime. a show of force. the white house announcing tonight that president biden will travel to naval headquarters in brussels. it's an important meeting as puwit inl p goms for 209th straight day. poland andlso with volodymyr zelenskyy. he said, ukraine is a strong sign of support. we really appreciate it. a dramatic visit given bombs continue to rack that building. just destruction, smoke, entire
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interior wheels gone. so we should emphasize no one immediately knows, given the horror of this situation, where people are and what those numbers are. people are continued on lockdown. in kharkiv, scenes of dramatic rescues after that city was pummelled by russian strikes. 65 of them in 24 hours. i spoke to the city's mayor today. he told me just how grim the situation is. ly. >> translator: unfortunately sh
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shelling, it just continues, incessant firing, and it seems like it's actually increased until it's the -- increased in damage and it seems like more destruction of the city, so obviously the situation is dire. >> the sdmags dire. it's the center of hell. they actually can get supplies in kyiv but not mariupol. one hospital employee managing to get a statement out saying, they shoot hard. we sit in the basement. cars have not been able to drive to anywhere. people whave been rushed to the
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hospital from neighboring buildings to our hospital. we can't leave. sam, what is the late fst from where you are now? >> well, erin, there were a lot of very loud explosions at some distance in the west of the city. then there was a pause in asking what's going on across the country to our you recalled. if it's incoming or oumplt, and you were showing images from
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that earlier today, narks against the capital from the. the presumed russian plan to try to completely dutt the oef. as we continue to nornl. i want to go now to who promised him. i so much appreciate your time. . . what is the situation tonight? >> the situation is catastrophic. i speak with my friend who today is lucky to go out from mariupol.
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and it's terrible because russians are terrorists. they're not military, they're terr terrorists. they are not just people in the hospital. there are more big firebombs. the people can't even go out to cook something because there is no electricity, no heat, no matter and no food subpoena plimd. because they can't get seated with their troops and they can't
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relax. the place is a mess. >> i know today the president's deputy chief said 2500 people were able to leave. but as you pointed out, that would still leave about 20,000 people in mariupol. zaurltz and farls, so fwhamplgt this. has been going on for days. when you used the word catastrophic r, what are you snag. >> russia knows they do this. they want a krvlful thomplt wely
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russians will make a genocide in mariupol, and even today we don't know the real count of the dead people because a lot of body lies on the street and no one can fight them with normal situation. they don't understand the real situation here. people who fompl the city today, they're in -- i don't know how to spell it -- they have problems to speak about this. >> do you have any sense, maxim, at this point that the 20,000 or 30,000 people, at least, that are still in mariupol, how many
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of them want to leave? >> most of the people want to leave, but this green corridor which today is present isn't enough, because russians don't get a humanitarian convoy to mariupol with foods, wily. they said they only led nompld. it's not military operation, it's terrorists. >> maxim, thank you very much. i appreciate you sharing with us, making sure people understand. thank you. >> i want to go now to rere rerecalledally former deputy
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atds ant for russia, talking about the catastrophic sfwhags. he said that city does not have damage. had his estimate at this point, of the 37-thousand-ish people who have already left unless the city surrenders. what does this say about what the city is doing, general? >> we've been using this phrase over and over again. this is the russian way of war. you surround the city, you seize the city, you shell the city, you starve the city. you take away their food, their water, their electricity. because the last thing they want to do is send their troops t.
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bah bahamasly all those rubber. maxim is right. they are trying to get them to surrender by bringing the city to its knees. >> in the midst of this, a pretty incredible thing happened today. three nato leaders got on a train and went to kyiv. the prime minister of the czech republic, the prime minister of poland and the one from slovenia. it's a pretty incredible thing buds how does he see this?
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does it mean anything "today" toum many. he has disdained, and uit's larger than the czech republic. these are brave of them to go in there, and i think this under lines the fact where the we "ing ukrainians, that's what we're saying, and we are european toermgd. >> my father thrived world
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parld. after world war i, we set up so you couldn't target russians. they are bringing us back so many decades and centuries, it's unplooefable. >> again, i want to point out just so within weekend here. when the russians to want. attacking with brutality is a choice. president zelenskyy has finally moved away from ukraine joining to navy membership. now we w.
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this is the bare minimum of what putin will accept, if anything. does it move the needle now? >> it is too little, too late. putin has set his troops in. he's lost troops in battle. this is not going to be nouf for him to overturn the campaign. ept to neutralize his country, make it a neutral koent so sformt. these splaul toek be renneded t. this dmechltd we just heard it from max even, maiflt it will they wanted the world to know that thechtd ar till ril sf
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thaumplt but do you think that the no hooifr's if approximate ffrl to protect the civilians from this artillery rkts from the bombing, from all of the air attacks that they are succumbing to and that they're suffering from, because these are innocent civilians and it's against the laws of war. i believe our administration should look at all options, keep them all on the table and assess the risks, the cost to us and to all parties involved. i think there is a place for a humanitarian no-fly zone because there has to be a way to resupply places like mariupol.
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there needs to be an agreement that russians won't shoot at them. they're ricky because if you have an agreement, you can't trust the russians. if you ever no agreement, you have to at a time risk that the russians aren't afraid to shoot at you. but at the end of the day, we can't beth let people go. i t i th i think he may be signaling to the west and the russians that you can sit down and deal with me. we have to do more to protect the civilians. i hoech. >> thank you both very much. again, you just have to dmeep nrmd. diabetes head remembered.
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next a lugs journalist who broke into that state television net network. this is an incredible thing. russian soldiers speaking to cnn. what they're saying tonight about the deadly invasion they have been part of, they've been carrying out. sthar speaking from electric skpigs grand mothers to dol dom remembered if she saw president putin she said she would strangle him with her own hands. . my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair. king c. gillette is a complete lineup of tools and facial hair care products. this is the style master. designed to style your stubble in one stroke, a pivoting metal head that defis every edge,
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♪ what about my car? weathertech. breaking her silence. the russian journalist arrested for this anti -war protest that aired live on russian television. what she endured before being released. >> translator: these were indeed very difficult days of my life. i literally spent two days with no sleep. the questioning lasted for over 14 hours. i wasn't allowed to contact my relatives or friends. i wasn't provided with any legal assistance, so i am in quite a difficult position. >> larena sppaid a prison fine.
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that fine was recorded before her protest where she urged others to follow her lead. so that fine was this. >> russian people thinking they're smart. it is only in our power to stop this madness. go to the rallies and don't be afraid. they cannot arrest us all. >> joining us now, mar marina ovsyannikova, when they passed that law saying you could go to prison for 15 years saying this was a war. she signaled to viewers that something was wrong because there was a failed coup attempt on gorbachev. marina, this television
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producer, right, who walked out with that stign, and before tha she had recorded the video. we don't know what the punishment was for the sign video, that was apparently separate. she said no contact with family, with friends or lawyers. but then she comes out for the video portion that she recorded with this $273 fine and no prison time. what do you make of that? >> first of all, thank you, erin, it's good to be here. i think this is just the first step. i can see that the russian government are commending this person. she's not representing just a media outlet, she represents the first channel of russian television, and she was there during the most popular news program on russian television. millions of viewers all around
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russia, 114 million people living here, and a big pride of these people was watching this newscast. so i think she did something really wrong for russian authorities who claim that there is no war in ukraine, that there is a special operation. we will see the next steps, but i think that it's not the end for her, unfortunately, put she's. i think this is one of the bravest persons that we can see in russia nowadays. it's unfortunate that i'm not in russia. she is and she's doing what she's doing. it's amazing. >> that's exactly how it seemed, right, just her boldness and her bravery, and she has two children. then there was discussion on social media that the whole protest may have been planned because she wasn't given any
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prison time. in fact, some of that conspiracy came from some ukranian sources. so i know you saw all of this. what's your perspective? do you see that as possible? >> she is the real person, definitely, and i don't believe the rumors about the staged protest. this is not truth. the truth is that there was a person working inside of this propaganda machine who decided to say something because her father is ukranian, her mother is russian, and she wants to declare that the war is going on, and people are dying in ukraine, and russia is dying, actually, together with ukraine. it's not only about ukraine, it's about both countries. i think that war is going on.
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it's not easy to separate the truth from false. it's not easy to judge the situation. it's understandable. but it's also very important to understand that there are a lot of people in russia who don't believe they need to spread lies. i really think it's important to respect this kind of people. there are a lot of russians who support russia and ukraine. >> marina, thank you. i know it's late. we'll speak soon. ukrainians crying, calling the invasion horrible and a
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russian soldiers crying as they recount phone calls with their families, describing putin's invasion and shelling of cities crimes on the ukranian people. saying they were deceived by russia's military operation, and saying putin is trying to seize the world of all he is invading. we talked to sebastian shukla in a miraculous conversation, saying, quote, i know in my unit they are totally against it. sebastian shukla is up front, and he's been covering the war in ukraine since the invasion. i know you've spent an incredible amount of time in the country, in the donbas. seb, you have this chance to meet with these people up close. they were upset with the civilian casualties.
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one soldier told you, it was a horrifying fact not just because it was a crime. it's vandalism. you can't forgive such things. to bomb a maternity ward? the soldier, of course, was referring to that mariupol maternity ward bombing which killed a woman and her unborn child. tell me a little about that conversation. >> i was able to speak one to one after a press conference on friday in kyiv, and i can say honestly that they sounded remorseful to me. they sounded regretful for what happened. i want to start saying initially that what the ukrainians are doing here is incredibly controversial. they are violating one of the international laws, which is on human rights, the geneva convention which talks about not making prisoners of war items of public debate, and that is
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clearly what is happening here, not just the people i spoke to, but all the others who have been paraded on ukranian television, too. i want to read you some of the quotes that they told us. and it says, we don't see any nazis or fascists. i think it was invented as a pretext, it's something the world cannot understand, but putin and his circle need this in order to achieve their own objectives. but now cities with peaceful civilians are being destroyed. even i don't know what can justify the tears of a child, or even worse, the deaths of innocent people and children. i think it's abundantly clear just from that one quote that this is not a war that their hearts are invested in, and it seems very, very clear that this is president putin's war, not theirs. >> i mean, it is pretty stunning, right? when you think of the entire structure of one of the largest militaries on this planet, it all relies on soldiers being
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what they're told. i know -- even talking to them, it's controversial, and that's why we're not showing their faces and you're choosing not to show the video. they tell you this treatment has been acceptable, they offered us food and drink, they offered medical treatment. did the soldiers give you any impression that they were speaking. but i didn't ghaet recall officers in the room. they had ak-47s, and there was nothing to say that it was scripted in any way. a lot of what was said came from who would be the ranking officer in the room. you know, they spoke candidly about wanting to be able to go home and wanting to be able to go and see their families but also the uncertainty of what is
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going to r. our fate is in the armed forces offed. many mani-- the bombs have been updated and upgraded and they are dropped indiscriminately so that when they land, the damage is extensive, and i think it's very, very clear that the world is judging them now and that president putin and this war that he is calling a special operation is going to reflect on him very, very badly. >> yes, thank you very much. certainly the soldiers.
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the 150,000-plus soldiers he already has on the ground there, they're all seeing it. that's a lot of russian eyes. thank you so much to seb shukla. an incredible opportunity to speak to those pos and you know what they said despite the controversial nature of the conversations. head of argue which is a watchdog of the special secret services activities and he's also with european policies i'm so glad to have you on tonight. did you hear our sebastian shukla? yes, he talked to the p.o.w. buddies. from his conversations, he said they were clearly upset by civilian casualties, one of them
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t . you cannot overcome some things, the deaths of women and children. how do you talk to the children who aren't sleeping? >> it looks like vladimir putin still has a picture of what's going on in ukraine, and this picture is very far from reality. i have some indications, all about the situation in ukraine rpg. what is really going on in ukraine? is getting upset with that that
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st still on house arrest. he sticks to his opinions. >> we haven't confirmed that about the sba agents, what are you hearing right now about how puwit pin views his oir remembered. well, it looks like. i was i have rnlt this department of zr pfrl mostly cultivate rg.
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there are some people on the ground ready for the russian troops and to help them get to ukraine. that never happened. it looks like now putin many many. gn, the problem is that putin has really strong opinions about ukr this. >> thank you for your time. >> we take you back to ukraine resistant to putin's forces. we saw that before the war started, and it is now still as strong asr. champion back in the form of russia.
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tonight ukraine is bracing for war with a fierce amount of troops, fighting everyone, grand
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mothers, everyone to fight for their land. you have met some of these individuals no matter their age or stage in life, willing to do whatever it takes. what did they tell you? >> reporter: yeah. i mean, i think the ground war has not come to this city yet, but everybody here knows somebody who is either fighting the russian army, or who has been made homeless by them or killed by them at this point. everyone here is talking about the war and getting ready for the worst possible scenario that the ground war comes to their d doorsteps. dawn breaks over the city of vinnytsia with an air raid siren. the ground war has yet to reach the center of ukraine, but they're not taking any chances. this is a checkpoint protected by volunteers, an ex-cop, a
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fireman and an electrician. >> homemade tank crops, which they call hedgehogs. they've sewn netting and put up sandbags. at this checkpoint they have boxes of molotov cocktails ready. this is just one ukranian village. just down the road i meet nina, who seems like a sweet 71-year-old grandmother. >> by the way, nina says if she saw vladimir putin, she would strangle him with his own hands right now. i'm ready, she says, if he comes here, i will shoot them all and my hands won't even shake. there is seething anger here
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atmos cow's invasion. at the same time generosity. stacked in a garage, humanitarian assistance trucked from europe, personal donations of clothes and food for the struggling people of ukraine. aid that will then be shipped off to front line cities. >> i want to say thank you. we need help. >> is vinnytsia ready if the russian war comes to this city? >> yeah. yeah. we have two weeks to make good defense. today we're ready. so we don't want this. >> the war effort extends to
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zakrezewski and his farm. there is free food for defense forces. he said he's doing his part to help with the war effort. he said he's going to have to grow more food to serve ukrainians who may be a need in the weeks ahead. ly they have electricians and others against the russian invasion. ztz the city is playing an important role, locals say. it is a small. you constantly see displaced
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ukra ukrainians, and the local officials say that is how they are able to fund the ukranian military who are fighting and dying to protect this country chltd, calling out china for not cocondemning. will they takeke the looiflz of two more journalists journalists s
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war. david culver is out front tonight with this report from shanghai. >> beijing fighting back against the u.s. warnings not to help russia in its invasion of ukraine. today a foreign ministry spokesperson warning the united states not to undermine china's legitimate rights and interests when dealing with u.s.-russia relations, adding china and russia will continue to conduct normal trade cooperation. but might that cooperation soon include military support? >> beijing would think of this as a tightrope walk, but i think most observers see beijing being an active support for moscow. >> reporter: beijing and the kremlin deny they have sources for aid. they have asked for drones and prepackaged food kits, or mres. in rome, china's top diplomat
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told u.s. adviser jake sullivan that china wants peace and could serve as a mediator. there is also humanitarian aid for ukraine. china is already russia's biggest trading partner and likely the only superpower that could help slow the economic freefall. putin and xi announced a new oil agreement. then there is agriculture the same week that they launched severe sanctions on russia. chinese state media said in 2021, trade between the two
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jumped $17 billion over the previous year and includes russian seed oil, barley and beef. every minute counts when you're losing customers as quick as russia. russia could look to settle its trade debts with china, using dhin curists relief efforts. >> -- the economic risks might do harm to china. >> the sinking ship is vladimir putin. china has backed the wrong horse. >> reporter: but with a stated meaningless automatic allegiance
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to fellow autocracy. >> china is in a pretty good spot. they're able to keep their lucrative trade with the west and supposedly get exports for a bargain. another round of covid lockdowns here. crushing businesses. you have to remember is president xi willing to sacrifice acts here all to push them to the west, erin? >> it isn't a decision he expected to make at this point, yet here it is. >> thank you so much. a fantastic report. no angle on this, most important. a fox journalist and a ukranian fixer both working for the network. both have been killed while covering the war in ukraine. ? luckily, there's biotrue hydration n boost eye drops. biotrue uses naturally inspired ingredients. and no p preservatives. try biotrue!
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tonight the war in ukraine. tonight taking the looives of t more journalists. pierre zakrzewski was killed.
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a 24-year-old ukranian journalist was also killed in the attack. hall remains hospitalized with very serious injuries. this tragic news underscores the danger of covering this conflict. this past weekend world-renowned journalist brent renaud was killed outside kyiv. "anderson cooper 360" starts now. a senior official said something remarkable today about the war going into week 4. russian officials have made limited to no progress in achieving their objectives. limited to no progress, nearly 21 days in. at the same time nothing about that assessment in any way diminishes the kind of destruction even a bogged-down army can do or the threat it poses to human life. both are considerable and could even be growing. four people were killed today that we know of according to