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organized at the very beginning of the conflict, when some of the frontline people didn't have armor. so, i think this underscores some of the challenges that the ukrainian armed forces face. you know, one of the guys who was welding those armor plates is about to become a grandfather in just two week's time. he's 58 years old, and he's standing by for his own call to be sent towards the front lines, worried that he may miss the birth of his first grandson. anderson? >> wow, ivan, appreciate it. thanks so much for that report. up next, despite russia's assault, ukrainian forces have been putting up an incredibly tough fight. now they're getting more tools from the u.s. how that could change the battle when our coverage of ukraine continues. lavender bataths always calmed him. so we turned bath time into a business. ♪ and building it with my son has been my dream job.
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unaccounted for after the bomb lg of a shelter in mariupol, where they had been seeking safety. the day began with ukraine's president making a passionate plea to the u.s. congress for help fighting the war, and an appeal to values he says ukrainians aspire to. >> translator: i remember your national memorial in rushmore, the faces of your prominent presidents, those who laid the foundation of the united states of america, as it is today, democracy, independence, freedom, and care for everyone, for every person, for everyone who works diligently, who lives honestly, who respects the law. we in ukraine want the same for our people. >> his speech was well-received in the congress, though he did not get the no fly zone he's been asking for. he's about to receive many hundreds of millions of dollars, $800 million more in american
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assistance. joining me in lviv, fred pleitgen. how confident are the ukrainians that they will be able to resist? >> i think they're getting more convincing. one of the main advisers of president zelenskyy says the ukrainians are going ton counteroffense and that's changing the dynamic on the battlefield. in part it's the weapons provided but it's also the way they're using the weapons. the this is what we learned. >> reporter: this is how ukraine's army is halting russia's advance, using antiaircraft weapons like the u.s.-made stinger, against low flying helicopters. now answering ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy's plea, the u.s. says longer range antiaircraft missiles are arriving in ukraine, including the powerful s-300. >> translator: you know what kind of defense systems we need,
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s-300s and other similar systems. you know how much depends on the battlefield on russia's ability to use aircraft. >> reporter: after zelenskyy's impassioned speech to congress, president biden announced a new security assistance package worth $800 million, including drones, antitank weapons, and 20 million rounds of ammunition. >> it includes 800 antiaircraft systems to make sure the ukrainian military can continue to stop the planes and helicopters that have been attacking their people and to defend their ukrainian airspace. >> reporter: despite being drastically outgunned, ukraine's forces have been putting up a tough fight. the country's ground troops, led my colonel general oleksandr sers ski, a veteran of the donbas region. meanwhile, chief commander of the armed forces, who is widely credited with reforming ukraine's military, vows to fight the russians to the last
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drop of blood. i don't have any illusions and don't wait for a gift from god, he says. i fought and have been preparing my armed forces. the weapons supply by the u.s. and its allies are giving them a fighting chance. ukrainian units blowing up russian tanks with shoulder fired missiles like the javelin, supplied by the u.s., or inlaws, a similar antitank weapon made in britain. >> we're at a crucial point in the battle here where ukraine is tipping the balance against russia. russia is truly in trouble. >> reporter: ukrainian troops have fought tooth and nail with russian tanks on the ground, despite being massively outgunned by vladimir putin's army. while the u.s. and nato still reject the idea of a no-fly zone, the biden administration has made clear it will continue to arm kyiv's forces to help as they bog down the russian military and inflict massive
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casualties. >> some of those massive casualties, both the u.s. and ukrainians are saying that thousands of russian soldiers have already died. the russians see that a bit differently obviously, are giving different numbers. but it seems clear the russians have used their precision munitions, and you can see in the cities they're using more indiscriminate munitions, that are causing all these civilian casualties. >> it's great to see those weapons up close. you heard general wesley clark saying a moment ago we are at a crucial point in the battle, he said, quote, where ukraine is tipping the balance against russia. his words. some late evidence of that tonight, another strike for the second straight day at kherson airport. yesterday's attack blew up at least three russian helicopters. i want to get information from peter zwack, also cnn analyst james spider marks. general zwack, how significant
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is this military aid, the stinger missile, s-300 antiaircraft systems, and the other items going, including a source telling cnn providing switchblade drones. >> yes. hugely significant when you consider the nature of the fight. this has become a mono y mono on the ground fight. infantry, whether regular or irregulars on the ukrainian side and how they bleed the russians is with added tank weapons. whether they're javelins or rpgs, the air power, the, you know, stingers and other systems keeping the russian helicopter ground attack at higher altitudes. and these hundreds and hundreds of systems are going out into a
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ground force that is growing and metastasizing, i believe, throughout ukraine. and this is becoming hell for those russian columns. wherever they concentrate, they can overpower. but they are being hit from all over. and these type of systems are small. they're portable. and very, very versatile. and they will make a huge difference in this elemental hard ground fight. >> general, an adviser to president zelenskyy tonight said the ukrainian army is beginning a counterstrike on a number of active directions. it went on to say this is changing the dispositions of the size. you see the russian helicopters in kherson. does it feel to you as though ukraine is gaining more traction? it's hard to know what is happening at the fronts. >> yeah, it really does, anderson. what we've seen over the course of the past three weeks is a
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poorly led, poorly executed russian offensive. and it's really reached, i think as we've been describing over the past couple of days, a culmination point, which means they're dead in their tracks. they now have to go onto the defensive, and they need to be resupplied. ammunition personnel, need to evacuate casualties, et cetera. so, that gives the ukrainians a great advantage. and as pete just described, with this additional kit, they really can take the fight that much more aggressively. and what's key is with the additional aid that's coming in, that transition of that equipment into ukraine now is getting more and more precise. it's not routine, but it's getting into a standardization that needs to be increased in speed so that the operational flexibility of the ukrainians are now really demonstrating can be maintained. and, you know, the old expression that we learned in the army in particular is you don't man the equipment. you equipment the man. and what the ukrainians are
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demonstrating is they've got better then. they've got better leadership and better men, better non-commissioned officers, than these russians that are poorly, poorly led. >> general zwack, we've seen russian artillery shells and tanks hitting residential building or assumed residential buildings in cities. how does -- how capable are the ukrainians at actually knocking out artillery or knocking out whether it's ballistic missiles or -- i mean, can they stop that shelling? >> first of all, i -- i've got to imagine that will become a priority. the russians -- we suffered this in afghanistan and somewhat in iraq. their rear area is where they are, and everything else is where the ukrainians are, increasingly well-armed. and that includes artillery batteries.
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they're now having to set up fire bases or be right up close with the assault infantry. you know, the air defense, all of that is increasingly vulnerable over these long supply lines that drivers, these conscript drafty drivers are going through. so, the artillery is -- yes, they are creating a major effect. but it's a bit wild in the fire, not particularly precise, in part because their infantry -- their ground forces and tanks -- are getting -- the tops are getting blown off of them. and they don't want to go into a house of an urban fight. so, they're using artillery to make up, if you will, for fire power and the indiscriminate. but they -- all they're doing is creating more rubble for the defenders to fight out of. and russians just don't have the term correlation of forces, i
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believe, to do it, to take kyiv. >> general zwack, general marks, always appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, the young woman who documented her life with her family as the city of kharkiv was bombarded day in and day out. they fled. but now she's got a new burden to bear. my conversation with her ahead. ukraine's foreign minister on the state of peace talks with russia. allergies s don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily s stos your body from overreacting to allergens s al season long. psst! psst! flonase all good.
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as she tried to stay in kharkiv, even with the non-stop bombings all around. >> last night was probably the most terrifying night of my life. kharkiv was terribly bombarded last night. air strikes all over the city. dozens of buildings destroyed. buildings where people live. i'm not going to take much because i'm hoping i will return soon enough. this is just like going on a trip. but i don't know for how long, i guess. >> that's dan rivers' piece on her and her family. we were able to track her down
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after seeing the story and anastasia joins us tonight. when we last heard from you in the videos you were making, you had fled your home in kharkiv because the shelling had become so intense. where are you now and how are you? >> well, i'm now currently in central ukraine, not that far away from kharkiv, about three hour's ride, i think. so, yes. we escaped mostly due to the fact that my parents could not take such pressure anymore, being bombed and shelled and constant fear. so, despite the fact that me and my sister wanted to stay in kharkiv, we ran to lviv. it's western part of the country, quite a journey, 24 hours long. but there were no place for us there. so, we were forced to take -- to
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try and find some other place. we first went to -- and there was no place there too. and now we're in moldova and staying in our friends' place for now. then we will try to find something for our parents to stay. they went back to kharkiv right now. >> so, your parents are back in kharkiv. are they okay? >> yes, they just -- i just talked to them. they managed to get home safely, which is good because just today their car was shelled with people in it. and they died. so, in kharkiv, i mean. >> ud said you had come all the way to lviv. that's where i am right now. it's close to the polish border. did you give some thought about going into poland? >> well, it's kind of like a hard topic in our family because me and my sister, we are not
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live in ukraine. we are staying here. we are going to do everything we can. we're going to help volunteers. we're going to provide aid for kharkiv, what we can. we can assist our army and our people the way we can. it's our position that we took, a decision made. but it's hard to do because our parents want us to leave. but they do not want to leave without us. >> these are impossible choices that so many people here are having to make. >> yes. most people don't want to leave their home, obviously. but when you have to, then there's -- there are hardships. it's all -- i don't even know how to say. but it feels really insecure to not have a place to stay. and, yeah. >> i remember in one of the videos you made in kharkiv, you said, i don't know why, but being bombarded is easier than
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leaving your home, which really gives you a sense of just how difficult it is. >> yes. i still stand by it. my mind didn't change. i actually feel worse emotionally now than i did then. yes, it was like adrenaline rush, planes flying above my house like three times a day dropping bombs and you don't know where they will drop. and worst of all, you feel kind of grateful they did not fall on you. but at the same time, you know they fall on someone else. so, it's kind of a difficult situation. but it's such a -- i don't know how to say it. but it's -- like, it gives you such adrenaline. it's not a circumstance you expect yourself to be in. you start to think in different ways, i guess. first few days when the war started, we were just completely shocked, in denial.
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we couldn't believe it. and then you just kind of -- kind of become used to it. but this right now is something you feel like regretful even and also ashamed because many people i know are there still in kharkiv living in very difficult conditions with no heat, no electricity in some places. some are remaining in basements for 21 days already, as the war goes. so, my close friend is with civilians with arms to protect the cities. and i just feel bad for being here and them being in danger if that makes sense, i guess. >> yeah. anastasia, i so appreciate talking to you, and thank you for taking the time. i wish you well. >> thank you so much for listening.
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the state of negotiations between ukraine and russia is as fraught as anything in this war. ukrainian president zelenskyy today suggested there was some
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movement but also stressed the need to fighting. moscow said nothing had changed in their position. you heard our kaitlan collins earlier that the white house is hopeful but realistic and top lawmakers in both parties in the house said there did not seem to be any progress. i spoke with dmitry kleba on where the negotiations stand earlier tonight. foreign minister, kleba, as you know, president zelenskyy said earlier today that russia's position in talks with ukraine are becoming what he was saying more realistic. can you explain what that means? >> well, there are factors which make a difference in the russian position talks. the first one is the fierce resistance of ukrainian army and ukrainian people on the ground. and second is sanctions in russia, sanctions which cause
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russian economy to go down and to suffer. so, under the influence of these two factors, we do see that russia is likely changing its position. its position becomes different. but i could not call -- i could not call it a dramatic change or a serious change in the position. but under the circumstances, every change in the russian position is a constructive one because they started with unilateral ult mimatums, which t together constitute a unilateral surrender of ukraine. and that is not acceptable. so, every time we see the slightest change in their position, we think it's a movement in the right direction. but i have to be clear, the russian and the ukrainian are far away from reaching an agreement on the current situation. >> it seemed before you met with
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foreign minister lavrov, it seemed like there was some, perhaps, backing off by russia of some of their stated goals, what they call denaziification, what they called demilitarization. and yet after your discussion with lavrov, from lavrov's comments, he seemed to be parroting those talking points yet again. >> listen, russia will never, never admit that they made a concession or that they realize that the goals they had set for themselves were not achieved. they will always probably say that everything is fine, everything is reported, it's exactly what we wanted. and whatever means lavrov said in the press conference, i know two things. if ukraine gets sufficient
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amount of weapons to defend itself, if sanctions pressure will be continued, then russia will make serious concessions. they may never recognize it, but they will make it. one simple example is we demand about the regime change in ukraine. it all started with a clear message -- i mean the aggression started with the clear message that the government in ukraine has to be changed. and then the russians said, no, we actually never had it on our minds that we don't -- we carry the current government space. so, we should be very careful in reading russian messages and understand two things. and i will say it again because it's crucially important. weapons and sanctions and the rest will be done by ukraine. >> and you need more of both. and on the weapons, you need them not only delivered quickly.
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you need a regular supplier? >> yes, the main question is the sustainability of supplies. we cannot afford the situation where in one week we get what we need and then we don't get anything during the next week because this is the war. and people fight every day. we get bombed by russian air force every day. russian rockets are being shot at our cities every day. my own neighborhood where i live in kyiv some years ago, where i grew up in kyiv, was hit by missiles two days ago. so, we -- the sustainability of supplies is crucial to save human life and to save our cities. if we get all the weapons that you need on the sustainable basis on the regular basis, that will help us to defeat russia
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and to make it concede within a reasonable period of time. >> foreign ministry dmitry kleba, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. let's get perspective from republican congresswoman nancy mace of south carolina. congresswoman, thanks for being with us. you heard president zelenskyy liken the constant bombardment of ukraine to attacks on pearl harbor, 9/11. i wonder what you thought about his speech to congress, and -- yeah, what your thoughts were on that. >> well, i'll tell you, anderson, that there was not a dry eye in the house this morning, particularly when president zelenskyy showed the reel of the murders that were happening to women and children on the hands of vladimir putin and the russian forces that have invaded ukraine and are committing atrocious war crimes and human rights abuses. it was devastating to watch this morning. and to see the courage from president zelenskyy, he is a worldwide hero. and to hear him talk about the courage of the ukrainian people who are fighting for freedom and
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fighting for democracy, the same things that the american people often times take for granted here at home, but they're fighting for the same freedoms and democracy that we have here. and it was heart wrenching to watch and hear his words today. >> obviously he continually calls for closing the skies, as he says, which could reference a no-fly zone. also obviously he's very concerned about russian artillery, which continues to pound at times residential buildings. what is your position on the idea of some sort of a no-fly zone? >> well, a no-fly zone is a clear escalation of war. and what we don't want to have is world war iii. putin has already threatened to use nuclear warheads against us and our allies and anybody else who intervenes here. when you talk about closing the airspace, for example, last week it was in the news polish made
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jets, but only about 27 of those jets were operable. to close the airspace over ukraine, you would need hundreds of jets that could withstand the force of an s-400 that russia has laid on the lands of belarus. so, anything within 200 miles can hit aircraft. so, you need f-35s, f-22s, but hundreds of them. and putin would see that as a clear escalation of war by nato, by the united states. and world war iii is not what people want. and one of the other things that president zelenskyy asked for today were greater, broader sanctions packages. and we need to do that. we need to choke putin. we need to choke the economy he has so he can't continue to invade ukraine. the aid we voted on last week, the aid that president biden is sending today, continuing to give them defense equipment, including the s-300s, they can have an air defense system against what russia is doing, these are all steps in the right
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direction. i know it's not happened fast enough but it's happening about as fast as it can right now. >> president biden labelled president putin a war criminal today. you have said the same just now. how do you think vladimir putin should be held accountable for that? the icc chief prosecutor is on the ground. he has started an investigation. but it's a complex process. and obviously even if there are charges against somebody like vladimir putin, bringing him into a courtroom is a whole other matter. >> right. well, it is a complicated and prolonged position to be in. but we should charge him with war crimes. what he's done is illegal. it's devastating. it's murder. you're seeing -- i heard a story today about ukrainians in line to get bread who were shelled and artillery dropped on them and they were shot to death. that's just wrong. i mean, there's no one in the world -- as much as i hate social media and seeing this, but one of the things that has been effective here is ukraine's showing the footage of what's going on has brought the world
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together against putin, against his regime. and you know, 2008 when georgia happened, they rolled over, in about 12 days crimea, a month and six days. the entire world has seen these atrocities, these war crimes unfold in realtime on twitter and tiktok and it has brought the world together to move faster, more effectively to help the ukrainian people fight for their people, for their democracy, and for their country. >> no one in the world except perhaps russian citizens can claim that they don't know what is happening in ukraine, as you said. the world is watching. nancy mace, appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. stay safe, anderson. >> thanks so much. coming up, as i mentioned, more of our exclusive interview here in ukraine with the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court. he tells us why he's not ruling anyone out when it comes to building a potential war crimes case and how to go about that next.
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we're now over our exclusive interview with the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court. he came here to start his
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investigation. he spoke virtually with president zelenskyy today and met individually with a number of other ukrainian government officials. in our last hour, he told us about the hunt for evidence and decisions that could be considered war crimes or crimes against humanity, which is what he's looking for. we look now at where the investigation could go when it comes to not only leaders, but troops as well. i spoke to khan earlier. if chain of command is something you have to establish, you have to see who gave the order, who carried it out, is being the top general overseeing an invasion or a defense or being the president of a country, is that enough in the chain of command to have responsibility? or do you have to show the president gave a direct order? >> the first thing is there's no official position. so, whether you're a foot soldier nay civilian area, you don't have a license to rape or attack children or terrorize. and if you're a field commander
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doing aerial strikes or targeting decisions or you're a civilian superior, under the statute, there is responsibility. >> you've seen images of residential buildings being struck by a tank just firing sbiet or a missile hitting it. what do you have to prove in each incident? >> what you really have to show is firstly that's a civilian area, there was not belligerent fire. for example, there were not mortars coming from that location. someone needs to speak to witnesses, look at satellite evidence, look at intercepts from the area to try to look at what it deliberately targeted. was it just civilian or just a portion of that or a legitimate military target. >> if somebody is found guilty, if vladimir putin, anybody, is found guilty, no matter what level, what do you do about it? >> the first thing we're looking at all sides. we're independent, we're impartial -- >> you're an apolitical actor. >> we're looking at -- all sides
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have an obligation, all sides to any conflict. >> so, you would investigation ukraine as well as russia. >> everybody, whether you're military, whether you're a contractor, self-help, every individual has a responsibility not to break their own statute, the laws and customs of law. nobody has a license to, you know, because they are having a gun to attack civilians, one must comport oneself in accordance with the laws and customs of war. that's the general application. of course there may be particular incidents that give rise to particular focus of investigations, and we'll look into that. >> judges can issue an arrest warrant for a president of a country. you may not be able to arrest that person, but having arrest warrant hanging over you as the leader of a country is -- it has ramifications in and of itself. it has ripple effects. >> we're all part of this global village, aren't we? we're all linked, whether it's economic, political, diplomatic, education, travel -- everything
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is intertwined. and that's why it's not a small thing. you know, this court has the ability. we're not dealing with state responsibility. we're dealing with individual criminal responsibility, the personal responsibility and accountability of one's own actions. i think we need to work together, and we need to not lose hope even in these desperately uncertain times. i think there's this realization that we need the law more now than ever. and it requires sanity to come back into the room. sanity has left the building. a lot of this does not make strategic sense. it doesn't make military sense. it doesn't make economic sense. it's -- it's -- time will tell. but folly upon folly in a way that the ordinary people pay the price, as they do very often. >> it does feel medieval. >> it is medieval. we're doing space tourism, anderson.
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we're going to mars, rovers to mars. and yet on this world, we're shaking hospitals and schools and people are feeling absolutely insecure on every single level. and it's not just the people of ukraine, people of europe and the whole world is holding its breath about what's next. you know, all of this concern is concentrating, and there's always a consequence to this. that's why i'm saying in the seat of this despair, i think there will be this increased solidarity, i hope, to realize that hold onto the law, don't sacrifice when you've got the upper hand. if we do, if we just use it as a commodity that we can trade, the future is not good for us. and complacency is one of the great dangers of history. you know, as virgil said, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. and we all need to be the gate keepers on duty. we can't leave it to others. it's too important. >> kareem khan, the chief prosecutor for the international criminal court, a lot of weight on his shoulders now to find the
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romania, as you know is the southwest of ukraine. central romania is home to the transylvania region, which the name alone might make you think of vampire tales. our miguel marquez takes us inside an extraordinary makeshift hotel and the relief operation they've undertaken. >> reporter: a stream of ukrainian refugees, old and young, even a dog named oprah. some looking for a hot meal,
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others a place to stay for a night or two. >> who are we with here? svetlana, her husband and two kids, david and maxine 11 and 2, david has autism. >> how do you explain what's happening? >> reporter: i explain that there's a war but they don't really understand, she says. it's important for david for both of us to be with him. the family from odessa has now found a house here and plan to stay, their lives up in the air. i hope there will be no people like putin anymore she says. then adds in english. to hitler. >> the city in central romania's transylvania region hosting up to 250 ukrainian refugees. >> so you can see on them they are being more and more affected
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about what's going on. we've had stories with people trying to contact their beloved ones for two days in a row and seeing them walk around worried about what's going on back home. >> reporter: a business center two weeks ago now an oasis of support, a place to sleep, eat, get a change of clothes. there's even a play area and child care all free of charge. >> next week we're having a kindergarten group starting in ukrainian with a ukrainian volunteer. >> reporter: natalia is from mykolaiv, a city under relentless russian artillery and rocket attacks. putin united ukraine with his war, she says. ukraine is now united in its tragedy, in pain. natalia lives in brashov, but her sisters, cousins, half brothers and freiends are all
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back home in ukraine. every morning when there's an attack, she says, we check in on our shared chat to see if everyone is okay. anya arrived on march 8th with her daughter and their friends. her husband who was a driver is now fighting on behalf of their country. we're all worried, especially my daughter, she says, but there is no other choice, and i'm proud he's defending our country. ukrainians united, those who come here leave messages like thank you for the care, all people were nice to us, and we never felt hungry, cold, or lonely. miguel marquez, cnn romania. >> we have seen such remarkable images and stories and heard stories of people just standing up and helping, reaching out to complete strangers. we'll be right back. more from ukraine ahead. it yours of desesign options.
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