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military reportedly suffered significant losses early on friday. russian bombers struck army barracks in the southern city of mykolaiv. no casualty figures have been released, but it is feared that dozens of ukrainian soldiers may have been killed in this attack. swedish journalists shot video of rescuers pulling one person from the debris. and in the besieged port city of mariupol, drone footage shows the utter devastation that russian forces have unleashed in three weeks of warfare. a huge shopping mall stands gutted, and burned out along with blocks of charred apartment buildings. the russian offensive, though, have -- has stalled without any major urban centers being captured. new satellite images show some russian forces taking up defensive positions, digging earthen berms for protection. ukraine claims it's killed 14,000 russian troops, so far. though, cnn can't verify that

figure. ukraine's president says moscow needs to quit before russian losses escalate higher. >> translator: i want everyone to hear me now, especially i want them to hear me in moscow. it's time to meet, time to talk, time to restore territorial integrity and justice for ukraine or else russia will face such losses that several generations will not be enough for it to rise back up. >> in the united states, president biden spoke for nearly two hours with china's president xi unspecified consequences if beijing assists the russian side. we will have more on that later this hour. as the conflict enters its fourth week, cnn's kristen fisher has the latest developments from across the war zone. >> reporter: russia is broadening its targets with new

air strikes hitting the western city of lviv, which previously had been largely spared. the mayor confirming missiles hit near the airport. the city is just over 40 miles from the border with poland and nato country and lviv has been a haven for refugees fleeing the conflict or a stop on the way to europe. and russia is not letting up on the capital kyiv with new strikes on the northern residential district, ukrainian emergency services say one person died after remains of a downed missile set fire to a rez d residential building. in the northeast, fires broke out in in massive market in the city of kharkiv after it was shelled by russian forces. city officials say one rescue worker died. in the southern city of mariupol, 130 people have been rescued from that makeshift shelter bombed by russian forces. a theater with the russian word for children written beside the building. russia denies the attack. >> translator: hundreds of mariupol residents are still

under the debris despite the shelling, despite all the difficulties, we will continue rescue work. >> reporter: the seemingly intentional targeting of civilians has led many in the biden administration, including the president and secretary of state, to accuse russia of war crimes as the state department works to gather evidence against russian president vladimir putin. >> in terms of international law, you have to have evidence. you have to have a body of proof that, in fact, there was intentionality. >> reporter: and as civilians die in ukraine, putin held a concert marking the anniversary of the russian annexation of crimea. the concert featured patriotic songs, like this one called "made in the ussr." putin claims russia has never been more united as his country suffers a collapsing economy caused by western sanctions -- >> translator: the best proof is the way our boys are fighting in

this operation. shoulder to shoulder, supporting each other and, if need be, protecting each other like brothers. >> reporter: that is not how a top-u.s. general sees it. >> don't appear, from where i sit at least, to be particularly motivated or particularly -- particularly engaged in the campaign that they are undertaking. >> reporter: kristen fisher, cnn, washington. well, as the russian ground offensive largely grinds to a halt, u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin says things are clearly not going according to plan for moscow. he spoke with cnn's don lemon during a visit to bulgaria friday. >> what is your assessment of -- of russian forces now? are they stalled? are they regrouping so that they can increase their assault or increase their violence on ukraine? what is your assessment of the russian military? >> well, it's hard to tell, don. i think, you know, they -- they have not progressed as far -- as quickly as they would have liked to. they -- i think they envisioned that they would move rapidly and

very quickly seize the capital city. they have not been able to do that. they've struggled with logistics, so we have seen a number of missteps along the way. i don't see, you know, evidence of good employment of technical intelligence. i don't see integration of, you know, air capability with the ground -- ground maneuver. and so, there are a number of things that we would expect to have seen that we just haven't seen and the russians really have presented with some problems so many of their assumptions have not -- have not proven to be true as they -- as they entered this fight. >> well, austin also said he was hoping china wouldn't offer military or economic lifeline to russia, which moscow had reportedly requested. that is obviously the u.s. and the western position, hoping china will not jump into actually offer support. let's get more now on vladimir putin's defense of russia's

invasion at that enormous rally in moscow. some of those attending said they felt pressured by bosses at work to attend. mr. putin laid the blame for the operation on ukraine, rather than on russia, the invader. saying it was necessary to protect the people in the donbas. >> translator: to free the people from suffering and this genocide is our main initiating reason and goal for russia starting a special operation in donbas and ukraine. >> now, with us now from connecticut is matthew schmidt, professor of national security and political science at the university of new haven. so, um, matthew, obviously, lloyd austin, other americans -- we know that joe biden spoke with xi jinping yesterday -- do not want china to jump in to help russia. now, one would think that economically, china would want only one thing, which is for

this whole thing to end so that it can focus on its post-covid economic recovery. do you think that despite that, china will weigh in on the side of russia in any kind of significant way? >> i think in the end, china is trying to play both sides. but ultimately, you have to get in -- in the mind of xi jinping, and he is looking out 10, 20 years thinking that china's moment on the world stage to try to become the second competitor to the united states for the rest of the century, that's what he is worried about protecting. and he understands that ultimately russia is a bad bet for that. now, he is not going to say no in any sort of hard way. going to try to play both sides but in the end, he is not going to sacrifice his opportunity, 1020 years from now to put china in that position for russia today. >> so, can russia pull this off? this invasion? this unprovoked attack without the help of china? >> it depends on what we mean, you know, by pull it off.

um, they are having real trouble on the ground. you know, as your previous guest has pointed out but in the end, they have to win this politically. in the end, the point is to use military force to try to change the political situation in ukraine. and as long as the ukrainians are committed to this fight, it doesn't seem like they are going to be able to do that. and also, russia is handling, you know, a protest movement on its northern flank, right? in a sense, putin is surrounded on both sides here with, you know, with stuttering war in the south and -- and a protest movement in its own backyard. >> pulling it off. what i mean by that is can they bomb, can they send ground troops, can they hold territory, can they install a puppet government? can they do all these things vladimir wants to do to subdue this country and essentially bring it firmly back into the russian' sphere of influence? >> they can do many of those things. you know, before the war started, most of us would have

said they could do all of those things with their overwhelming military force but doesn't seem as overwhelming now. even if they can do all of those things militarily, achieve those military objectives, they are unable to -- to translate those military objectives into the -- the political objective that they want. the ukrainian people simply will not allow russian rule, whether it's through a puppet government or directly from putin. they have made that clear in -- in words and they have made that clear, i know, with the blood in the streets that they have been spilling in order to defend their country and that is not going away in the next week or two weeks. they have spilled too much blood already. um, and -- and they'll play an effective insurgency against russia in the same way that, you know, the afghans or the iraqis did against western powers. except, there are more ukrainians. they are better armed, they are better trained. >> yeah. well, they have the kind of weaponry, obviously, that the insurgents in those other countries you mentioned didn't have. i mean, they are, let's say, with the stinger missile they are able to take the low-flying

airplanes, certainly helicopters. they have shown that they can do that. but i wonder, do you think on the russian side there is any realization that this could potentially, ultimately be fruitless for the reasons that you describe? that, even if they flatten buildings and -- and burn shopping centers in cities like mariupol, that fundamentally, they won't hold the terrain because the ukrainians simply just do not want them here? >> so, we've seen a good bit of evidence coming from military leaders, people in security services that's been leaking out that indicates that people at the senior level are -- are well aware of the problems that they're facing in ukraine. in fact, in many cases, were caught off guard by putin's desire to -- to engage in this kind of war in ukraine, precisely because they thought it wasn't winnable, you know, in a political sense. so we have seen a lot of that. what we don't know is how far up that gets. we don't know how isolated putin is and -- and what he is hearing and if he is hearing it, if he

is believing it. what you saw in the rally that you showed -- you showed a clip of before -- it's really frightening i think for putin because something happens. now, i have heard reports from people in moscow that he was booed. i can't confirm that but i have heard enough of that that i think the sense is in moscow and that the rumor is in moscow that there is a lot of dissent underneath things there. that he may well have been booed, which must frighten him to look out at his, you know, his domestic front. if he is getting booed in moscow, then -- then he must start to understand how bad it is in ukraine. and that should make ukrainians scared and it should make the west scared. >> so the ukrainians are saying they have inflicted quite a bit of damage to the russian military in ukraine. that they've killed 14,000 troops. does that sound like a realistic number to you? >> it does. um, i've been getting reports from the ukrainian ministry of defense, from people that i know, other reporters in ukraine.

ukrainian reporters and it tracks. i was dubious at the start but we've seen the ukrainian military outperform expectations. and we have seen the russian military underperform. really quite poorly. and i think those numbers, you know, make sense. they -- they may be a little bit high but not by much. if 14,000 is high, then i would -- i would absolutely believe 10. and that is more than the russians would have lost in the same amount of time in afghanistan in the '80s. so, for those russians who are paying attention, this has to start to worry them. >> that is during the whole war that you are talking? and here, we are talking about -- >> right. right. so, um -- >> matthew -- yeah, go ahead. finish your thought. >> this is -- this is a bloodbath for the russians and the question is how they will react to that. >> absolutely. thank you so much. really appreciate your analysis, matthew schmidt speaking to us from new haven, connecticut. coming up, poland has become a refuge for millions of ukrainians with thousands more arriving every day. how long before resources,

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refugees from ukraine are spreading out across europe. hundreds of the displaced reached munich aboard a train from budapest on friday. most were women and children, as you can see there from the images on your screen. many of those were elderly. germany has received nearly 200,000 refugees, so far. according to the u.n., more than 3.2 million have now fled the fighting in ukraine. at least 2 million have crossed into poland, and many of those people have now moved onto other european countries. the current flow of refugees into poland is still quite high, and it is putting a burden on

small border towns, as the influx is showing really no signs of slowing significantly. cnn's melissa bell has that story. >> reporter: it's been a long road. liberty may lie ahead, but at least safety's been reached for now. ukrainian children and their mothers who have made it just across the border to poland. their first night of peace spent in a school gym. so much of what is here, provided by volunteers. >> translator: in the beginning, the aid flowed spontaneously from many different sources but i must admit these were not from the government. i do not hide that we are disappointed here because this volunteering has accelerated. we are starting to fade here. >> reporter: but still, more refugees arrive at the border town. about a thousand per train and several trains a day.

carrying what little they can of their former lives. pinning their hopes of survival on the kindness of strangers. mainly, women and children who've left their fighting-age men behind. >> it's difficult and, really, i don't know what i feels because i have little baby. i love my family. i had plans and now i don't have plans. >> reporter: of the more than 3 million who have fled ukraine, about 2 million have come to poland. a figure that means that the country's population has risen by 5%. >> we arrived very quick but we can do this for three, four weeks. not -- not for long time so we just wait for action. our government, as well. >> reporter: in brussels, the

commissioner in charge gave a tour on thursday of the emergency response coordination center from where the european union is organizing its largest emergency response to date. >> so we now have 1 million refugees per week. so, if this goes on -- if this goes on ten more weeks, yes, we could reach the figure of 15 million people. >> reporter: european transport ministers meeting last weekend in the polish city to try to figure out the problem of bottlenecks caused by the sheer number of people arriving at places like the station seeking peace and for now just safety. melissa bell, cnn, poland. for the ukrainians who stay -- stayed at home to fight, there can be possibly more at stake. they are the only thing standing really between the russian military and their homes, towns, and cities. we spoke with one battalion commander about the realities of the war, and he told cnn's ivan

watson dying is only the second worst thing that can happen to ukrainian soldiers. >> it's not so scary to die. it's much more scary to lose. when we met the second army in the world by statistic, we expected more professionals. we expected more aggressive and more strong fighting. >> your battalion filmed this. >> it's hitting russian tanks. >> and that's hit by ukrainian artillery? >> yes. >> reporter: drone footage that cnn cannot independently verify from battlefields northwest of kyiv. filmed by a battalion of ukraine's territorial defense force commanded by major sergei tomarin. >> has your battalion had casualties? >> yes. yes. >> people killed?

people wounded? >> yes. i prefer not to tell the number of people. but we have -- i -- i already lost my friends and people who serve with me. we have people who wounded. >> reporter: what is the weapon that is hurting your men? >> the most dangerous -- it's artillery. >> reporter: tamarin is a veteran of the long war against russian-backed separatists in ukraine's southeastern donbas region. he re-enlisted along with most his battalion of nearly 400 after russia invaded ukraine on february 24th. he calls his strategy aggressive resistance. >> just -- um -- separating small troops, not more than ten people with few grenade launchers and some kind of -- um -- clean-up group with rifles and machine guns.

i can say that russian army, regular army, infantry groups fight well. they even have food packs, which is expired few years ago so they don't have normal food. they don't have even water. >> reporter: your battalion. how many armored vehicles/tanks do you think you have destroyed? >> right now, um, more than 20. it's not only tanks. it's like tanks and other armored vehicle. >> reporter: does your battalion have an estimate for how many russians they killed? >> for now, we destroy almost 200 russians, and captured alive closer to six or eight soldiers. >> reporter: tamarin is recovering from injuries sustained during a combat operation. >> fall down from the bridge which was blowed up. half of my ribs are broken. >> reporter: he says his men

have started to receive some foreign weapons. shoulder-fired missiles. and he's confident ukraine will have victory, but at a terrible price. >> the price which pay ukraine right now is i think impossible. it's -- it's some kind of whole -- sacrifice of all nation. >> reporter: ivan watson, cnn, ukraine. missiles are leaving scenes of destruction in parts of the ukrainian capital. we will show you what remains in the wake of a downed rocket in kyiv. do stay with us. a lot more of our breaking news coverage is ahead.

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welcome back. i am hala gorani in lviv, ukraine. fighting is ramping up for control of the southern port city of mykolaiv.

we are looking at the aftermath of a russian strike there on a ukrainian base on friday. utter devastation. soldiers are working to pull people from the rubble, but dozens are feared dead. one of the surviving soldiers told swedish journalists from our affiliate that it appears that most people inside were killed. and meanwhile, we are getting new images from mariupol, one of the worst-hait cities. much of it lies in ruins after days of nonstop russian shelling. emmanuel macron made an appeal to the russian president vladimir putin on friday to stop the siege on mariupol to at least allow humanitarian access. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy has a new message for moscow, meantime. saying it's in russia's best interest to negotiate for peace. he spoke after vladimir putin appeared before a large crowd at a moscow stadium to mark the anniversary of russia's annexation of crimea in 2014.

listen. >> translator: just imagine 14,000 dead bodies at that stadium in moscow. and tens of thousands of wounded, maimed people. that's how great are the russian losses already as a result of this invasion. that's the price of a war in a little of three weeks. the war must be stopped. the ukrainian proposal is on the table. >> well, a downed russian cruise missile landed near a school building in northern kyiv on friday. as cnn's sam kiley shows us, the destruction that resulted from that one missile alone is staggering. >> reporter: this is the scene on the northern edge of kyiv where a cruise missile landed here in the small hours of this morning. now, officially according to the authorities, it was shot down.

normally, that would mean that the warhead was destroyed in the air. but clearly, that is not the case. beyond this truck here -- beyond the jcb working -- a kindergarten. mercifully no children in it because -- because of the level of bombardment of kyiv. of course, the kindergartens are closed. it's right opposite another school for older children. but look at the ferocity of the blast. that is what remains of a vehicle. right at the center -- the epicenter of this blast, absolute scene of devastation. if we look over this way, you can see the extraordinary level of devastation in this very densely populated residential area. these are homes. humble homes of ordinary ukrainians. struggling to get by. working with dignity. hoping, one day, to join the european community, possibly even nato, and this from

vladimir putin's perspective is the result. if we walk over this way, you can see just how devastating the size of these weapons is quite extraordinary. this is the result of one single blast. a blast, that has ripped through this community. peppering cars with shrapnel holes. every one of those would have torn through dozens of people. every one of those bits of flying-hot metal designed to rip into human flesh like a razor, white hot and burning. and of course, mercifully, children playing in the kindergarten. sam kiley, cnn, in kyiv. let's bring in retired u.s. army major general he joins us from glendale, california. what is the operational point of striking a target like the one that sam kiley just showed us?

clearly, it's a civilian target. there was even a kindergarten nearby. what do you think the russians are doing there by doing this? because we have seen it all over the country. >> seen it all over the country, and i see it in conflicts in many different parts of the world. it's an effort on the part of the russians to basically demoralize ukrainians. just the very thought and the image that you showed at the devastation is something that grinds deeply in anybody's heart and set of emotions. but what i want to quickly say is reflective of what i see as a development in russian tactics. and over the last 48, 96 hours, we're beginning to see much more these both cruise missile drones, long-range artillery which allow the russians to cause this horrific devastation. and yet, reduce their body count.

>> because the ukrainians are saying they have killed 14,000 russian troops. does that sound like a realistic number to you? >> you know, i -- i don't doubt it. although, i have certain reservations. we had the benefit, just a few minutes ago, of a conversation with secretary austin with whom i indirectly worked when i was in uniform. and he gave a very astute assessment of the russian capabilities and the fact that russian forces have, to some extent, been degraded. but, you know, when you start talking about the numbers killed, while it's reflected in the grief and sorrow of the widows and parents in russia as they see these body bags come back to russia. on the other hand, you have putin. the numbers of dead -- at least from my analysis -- that's not necessarily persuasive because putin has a couple personality

factors that play into this role. and 14,000, to my way of thinking, that body count is a number, albeit significant, it shows that putin is quite frankly ready to shred -- that means throw anything he's got -- into this battle until it -- until he prevails. so, he has that ability. he is a killer. he is a shredder of forces. and he plays the long game. >> okay. so, what do you think that means going forward then? because what you just said is that the battle tactics have changed to long-range artillery strikes so that they can reduce the casualties they are taking to their troops on the ground. what does that mean for the ukrainian side? >> i think as, once again, we reflect on a statement made five, six minutes ago from a

battalion commander in ukraine. and his statement to us is the thing that he fears, his soldiers fear is indirect and direct artillery fire, coupled with drones and what ever other bombardments take place. which can significantly impact his forces as well as cause a tremendous amount of devastation. so, we are kind of faced with a new view of the war, in which the russians are going to proceed at a distance. this isn't going to be resolved in a short period of time, and maybe i'm sort of pushing the envelope in this analysis. but once again, i use that word longevity. and i think we have to be concerned that putin doesn't care if this war lasts another month, two months, or three months. he's willing to shred forces. >> so -- so all that being said

then, what can the u.s. and its nato allies do at this stage to help ukrainians fight back as efficiently as possible against vladimir putin's army and their current tactics? what more can they do? >> right. i think you have identified the most important question for nato and for the united states. and we've made significant strides forward. president zelenskyy's statement and speech to congress was inspirational. and as a direct result, countries -- both, we united states and our allies -- began to pour additional resources, ammunition, drones, special application drones, stinger missiles which are perhaps one of the most useful tools, and especially -- and this is what president zelenskyy brought forward -- is that there is

conversation now about -- about perhaps introducing long-range air defense systems or, as most people have picked up, the s300. >> but -- but you need -- you need those systems in the country, and you need training on them. this isn't something that the ukrainians have -- have any experience with necessarily. >> well, i mean, in terms of the systems that i've identified -- the javelin system which is a very effective anti-tank system and as well as the stinger -- >> yeah. >> -- those systems are already in country. we, in the united states, have -- >> no, those, yes. i am -- i'm talking about -- i am talking about the longer-range anti-aircraft. >> yeah, the longer range because that is -- that is a russian tool. uh, it's called an sa10 when it was used in ukraine. ukrainians are familiar with the system. they didn't ask for the most advanced russian or nato system.

we have pac3s and the russians have s400s. they asked for something that they're familiar with. they just want more of it so that they can main maintain freedom of the skies and perhaps reduce the bombardment and devastation that comes from drone attacks and from cruise missiles just as we were describing a minute ago. >> sure. yeah, we -- we have spoken to ukrainian politicians who -- who said if the west won't implement a no-fly zone, give us the tools to -- to -- to enforce our own so it would certainly be a useful weapon for them. thank you very much, major general mark mccarly for joining us. really appreciate having you on cnn this morning ukraine time, it is currently 6:40 a.m. in lviv, western ukraine. coming up, my colleague paula newton has more on joe biden's warning to the chinese president xi jinping not to help russia. stay with us.

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the war in ukraine apparently and his aim dissuading, of course, president xi jinping from helping russia in ukraine. and if not, joe biden said there would be consequences. our david culver picks up the story from there. >> reporter: u.s. president joe biden and chinese president xi jinping meeting virtually friday morning to discuss russia's war in ukraine. according to chinese state media cctv, xi told biden china and the u.s. have a responsibility to work for peace. saying, quote, the world is neither peaceful, nor tranquil. the ukraine crisis is something we don't want to see. these two governments have grown used to combatting one another and have traded barbs as russia's vladimir putin has rained misery on the people of ukraine. >> china is already on the wrong side of history when it comes to ukraine and the aggression being committed by russia. the fact that it has not stood strongly against it. >> translator: remarks by the u.s. are slandering and smearing against china. such remarks are not helpful for

solving the problem. >> reporter: the world's two biggest single economies may have the power to stop the suffering but biden needs xi to set parameters for putin. tricky, since xi once called putin his best friend. the two leaders have met more than 30 times and their countries have grown closer while becoming increasingly isolated from the west. here, the pair are seen happily sampling a traditional chinese pancake. a few months later they remade the dish with vodka and caviar. just a month ago, china praised its no-limits partnership with russia. at the olympics u.s. officials b boycotted. the u.s. worries any support china sends to russia has potential to change the balance on the battlefield and could take the sting out of the western sanctions currently crippling russia's economy the white house said friday's discussion included the two leaders agreeing to maintain open lines of kmungz. china may see this as an opportunity to burnish its credentials as a major global player capable of stepping in

and solving the geopolitical crisis. >> so neither leaning towards russia, nor leaning towards ukraine. and instead, try to present itself as a neutral-third party. >> reporter: as china's economy takes hits from a new wave of covid-19, the worse since wuhan 2020, economic blowback from the war in ukraine is the last thing beijing can afford. american officials have warned that china will pay a price if it does circumvent sanctions to do business with russia or helps putin militarily. >> china has to make a decision for themselves about where they want to stand, and how they want the history books to look at them and view their actions. and that is the decision for president xi and the chinese to make. >> reporter: president biden right now hoping to get xi to take on the role of peacemaker. interesting to compare the readouts from both sides. the u.s. side stressing this was mostly about ukraine, with biden warning xi of the consequences should china help russia. but state media here in china, playing up that xi pressed biden

on taiwan, which china considers as part of its sovereignty. xi warning biden that, if the taiwan issue is not handled properly, it won't be good for u.s.-china relations. david culver, cnn, shanghai. more perspective on this, we are joined by gary locke. he is the former u.s. ambassador to china and i want to thank you for weighing in on this. quite a few developments and, yet, nothing definitive. we heard hours ago from secretary austin, defense secretary, who told cnn that, look, they really don't know what china might do at this point. what do you think? >> well, i think that china is very much in a predicament. first of all, many of your cnn pictures and video of the tragedy, the massacre, the devastation and the suffering within ukraine has been broadcast throughout china. and china has even reiterated publicly, its respect and

acknowledgment of the territorial integrity of ukraine, that it is a separate country. uh, and so, i think china would be very, very hard pressed to justify to its own people any type of military or economic aid to russia despite the -- the close relationship that china has with moscow. nonetheless, the -- china has also seen just how swiftly, decisively, and extensively the west has imposed sanctions on russia. so, i'm sure that in the conversation today between president biden and president xi of china, that president biden reiterated the firm commitment of the united states and the west to impose sanctions, should china intervene on behalf of russia. >> now, i want to get to the issue of sanctions in a moment and lean on your experience as commerce secretary, as well. but before that, i just want everyone to have a look at comments that were made on the conflict by china's ambassador to the u.s. and in an editorial

on "the washington post," he writes that, look, conflict between russia and ukraine does no good for china. had china known about the imminent crisis, we would have tried our best to prevent it. how credible is that statement? and do you think despite this, do you think that despite this, china might try to bail out russia? >> first of all, who knows how much china really knew of putin's intentions? perhaps china felt that any type of military action would be swift and that ukraine government would fall quickly. they may not have been aware of or anticipated just how protracted the conflict is and certainly may not have known about the huge suffering and the toll on the people of ukraine. but be that as it may, china could -- or russia could look to china to provide economic relief by simply purchasing the energy that the rest of europe and the

rest of the world will not be purchasing from russia. russia could also be looking to sell its agricultural output to china to make up for the loss of sales to other countries. but the trade between russia and china is really one-tenth of the total trade between china and the eu and china and the u.s. so while russia can easily very much depends on trade with china, china cares more about its trade with the rest of the world and the millions and millions, if not hundreds of millions of jobs in china associated with those exports and the two-way trade between the rest of the world and china. so i think china is very much concerned after seeing how swiftly and decisively and extensively the sanctions were against russia, that i think they're going to have a pause about trying to help russia, either militarily or economically. >> yeah. quite a nuanced position they're going to have to keep. former ambassador gary locke,

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i will leave you tonight with a powerful image from ukraine. a sea of empty, empty strollers, a symbol of the more than 100 ukrainian children ukrainian president says have been killed in the russian invasion so far. it's only been three weeks. local activists set up the strollers in the western city of lviv to drive home the horrific human cost of the war and, of course, to honor its youngest victims. people at the memorial asked everyone to think of their own children when they see this, sitting in those very strollers. and that does it for us this hour. i'm paul a newton. please stay with us for our continuing news coverarage. we'll be right back after a

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