next, breaking news on the special edition of outfront. ukrainian officials say no way, this is massive antiaircraft fire erupting tonight. plus the russians shut down his website devoted to covering the government secret service activities and he is speaking out tonight right here outfront. and the u.s. defense secretary warns putin against using secret weapons. he has used them before repeatedly in syria. will he do it now? outfront tonight a special edition we begin with breaking news. ukrainian refusing to meet russia's demands to surrender

the city of mariupol. >> i want to show you map because you see the article. as you can see across the way from the theater that was bombed a few days ago and you may remember us talking so much

about this up to 1300 beeper people were sheltering underneath that. only 130 were known to survive. hundreds still missing in the rubble. it has been days. this was bombed by russia and it was bombed despite having the word children written on the ground outside the building. despite these horrific losses for ukrainian civilians, russian military forces experiencing losses as well. two senior russian officials saying a deputy commander of the black sea fleet was killed during the fight for mariupol. also breaking right now, north in the capital of kyiv the mayor saying at least one person is dead falling explosions, several explosions were heard by our team on the ground tonight coming is

ukrainian president vladimir luzinski says he needs to speak directly with putin or the worst is yet to come. >> i am ready for negotiations. if these attempts fail, that would mean that this is a third world war. >> we have are borders on the ground tonight across ukraine. what is the latest on the ground tonight where you are? >> reporter: chilling to think what possibly left russia could throw as the deadline to surrender passes in the hours i had given they have already besieged and bombarded the town for days. further west on the black sea coast, we have seen some degree of ukrainian success pushing the russian forces away from this town you would normally expect to see blasts on the skyline frankly. we have heard some at a distance but there is a greater sense of relief because ukraine

has pushed russian forces back to words the city that russia took. we spent three days around the front lines as they have been pushing in that direction. i should warn you our report does contain some distressing images toward the end. >> this is what the slow route of russia in southern ukraine looks like. transformers forces are pushing close to the first city that kremlin took. here, so many people being evacuated day by day and the area quite in contrast to these impacts we see all around in the fields. just a constant barrage over the past days. the bus is the last way out of here, going from door toward his left of every door. the village has been ukraine's last position for days. and so this is what russia left of it.

the noise is the village gas main leaking furiously. the war of annihilation was sure not to overlook the school, its front, torn off by a missile. it is hard to imagine life returning here even when the schelling stop switch, just now , it does not. we run down for cover. the marines here are pushing forward where they can. the nearby airport, their prize. a former lebanese soldier working in tv married to a ukrainian. >> two weeks ago, this place had life and now, nothing. >> the bus has filled with anyone left who wants to leave.

anyone who can move themselves. we are asked to take those who cannot. and who remember the last time war came to europe. as we leave, schilling hits the village. it had become a deathbed riddled with custom minds, this man said. >> [ speaking non-english ] >> [ speaking non-english ]

>> the pockmarked concrete lined with all of these tiny peaceful words ripped open . schilling hits the road out again. moscow imposes a cost. these

barracks tone in two reduced to rubble by missile strikes that killed dozens of ukrainian soldiers, some as they slept friday morning. this trauma unit struggles with some of the 40 injured. one soldier asking for his friend by name. not all injuries involve blood. this soldier was in bed on the third floor when the blast hit and he found himself on the second floor with both legs smashed, losing consciousness. >> [ speaking non-english ]

that night, the kremlin's blunt force hits another target. moscow may be losing ground here but does all it can to crush and stifle weather cannot have. those pictures you were seeing from last night. we have heard distant laughs tonight but it is quiet and there is a feeling in this town that some sense a room to breathe is being created, but, that push down is not easy. it is not going possibly at the place pace they want to see and

russia does continue to impose heavy weapons targeting a warehouse, they said it was a missile and they need to see proof of that, but, a real feeling that the bartman isn't necessarily going to stop even though ukraine is seeing strategic gains. >> thank you very much for that report. now, the retired army lieutenant the former commanding lieutenant just returned from russia to the united states and steve hall, former cia chief of russia operations, thank you to offer such needed expertise tonight. general, russian demanding mariupol's orders and ukraine and we hear from the deputy foreign minister, the deputy prime minister, i'm sorry, saying no there will be no surrender and mentioning that russia handed over some eight-page document to which their answer is, no. what now? >> what we are likely to see in the next couple of hours is because mariupol is such a

critical objective for the russian army, it links not only their forces coming in to the east, but it also potentially links with a northern approach and in encirclement of ukrainian forces coming up to go to another place. so, mariupol is a critically important objection for the russians. what we will see probably in the next few hours is women and children attempting to escape this town, this very large and beautiful town as it once was to get the heck out. but, i believe the men will stay . the territorial fighters, the ukrainian forces that were there and they will continue to offer resistance to the russian forces because the russians have not achieved their objectives in any of the cities they have attempted to occupy or secure, so, it is critically important they have this town but i think we are still going to see a massive fight and what

will also see is russia continuing to bombard the city with missiles, rockets and artillery from long distances because they don't want to go head to head with ukrainian forces and their ground maneuver forces. >> we should note that that theater, that art center with possibly well over 1000 people possibly dead are there. the latest numbers we have, i know these aren't numbers that are sure but according to the un and others they are more than 300,000 civilians are still in mariupol. so people understand the scale of human life we're talking about. one thing we learned when ukrainians said no to the russian demand for the full surrender of mariupol tonight was that they had given over an eight page letter in which they laid out who knows what come all of their demands. why did russia make this demand in this way now? >> welcome i think it is fair to say that it is not because they are not considering not attacking mariupol or anything like that.

i think the real indication and something that caught my attention was that they wrote this letter and offered the opportunity for them to leave was that it is just the impact that the west is having when they are talking about things like war crimes and things like hitting civilian targets. the russians are perhaps becoming sensitive to this and they are addressing it by simply saying we are trying to do the right thing we are trying to get everybody out. we don't want to kill women and children. of course it is all propaganda, we do not care, we have seen that substantially in the past but the idea that we would be talking about it in the west and we would say the russians are doing this are exactly what the russians want us to think. they are trying to avoid civilian deaths which they are not so it is all propaganda in my view. >> to make your point they are saying we won't kill you or 300,000+ people or as many of them as we happen to hit if you just completely and utterly surrender and give up your city to us. it is absurd just to consider

it. how, though, will they receive this very blunt and clear and short response from ukraine? there will be no laying down weapons. >> i think it is going to infuriate him. he is already at that point. you can see it in every public appearance that he has had ever since wednesday. the rhetoric has increased. the vehemence from which he is speaking. i think he wants to punish ukraine at this point because he's not getting the objectives that he had in the beginning and it doesn't appear to me that he has any, let's say, reverse fear, you know, there is no way that he's going to pull out and look like he's lost.'s plan isn't working so he is in the middle and then plowing forward with, i think, what both of our other guests are talking about, which is, you know, just leveling as much as he can and maybe the entire country. >> i want to play with what

defense secretary said today. here he is. >> we have seen deliberate targeting of cities and towns and civilians throughout the last several weeks >> we are hearing, you know come at the commanders lever, the generals level and just seemingly unprecedented amount of death among russian forces. why are the casualties so high? >> we talked about this a couple weeks ago when this site first started. this is high intensity conventional warfare. this is not an insurgency where a squad goes out among the people and one person gets hit with an ied or a truck

sometimes gets blown up. these are tanks, trucks, armored personnel carrier, artillery firing barrages, not just one or two rounds, and so when you engage as ukrainian forces have with infantry, when you engage a tank, you are killing an entire crew, you know, russian tanks have three- person crews. they are burning up inside. these are horrific injuries. most of the bodies aren't found because of the corniness of the fight. when you are hitting a truck you are going to get at least three people inside that truck. and otilia crew has 5 to 8 people firing their guns. so, every time you actually hit a target and the ukrainians through their infantry and their small unit active but defense are hitting a lot of vehicles. estimates say over 500 russian tanks have now been destroyed or captured. that is a lot of people. three people in each tank. and they are all dying

unfortunately very gory deaths. what you are seeing is conventional warfare with weapons when they hit they are very deadly. so that's why they are seeing these kinds of casualties and the russians are doing the same thing to the ukrainian population when they are hitting these buildings, barrages of our jillian garrigues and rockets from a faraway distance which is incredible work >> so, to this point of the russians obviously they didn't expect this. the expected to sort of overtake kyiv within 72 hours of the initial invasion and now we are starting to hear from regional russian media about generals dying. not from the central moscow media but two senior russian officials talked about the black sea fleet. why are they now suddenly starting to announce these senior-level deaths? again, of which there have been more than anybody really could

imagine that that level? >> yeah, somewhere between 3 to 5 generals depending on whose side you believe. the russians have a bit of a propaganda issue right now because of course if you watch russian state media which is clamped even tighter essentially that they evicted all of the other sources for foreign media, if you watch russian media, jill probably saw this when she was there, it is a completely different story than what we are seeing here. it is a very curated story from the russians. things are going well. they will say occasionally we lost some people or we lost a commander but that is because you've got a reality on the ground in russia as young russian soldiers come back in body bags or even if that doesn't happen as families start to wonder where is my son? i heard he's killed. one of his friends called me and said he was killed. we are in other cities in russia and things aren't going as well despite the fact that there is no media to confirm that and this is a horrible fear for them because although they can control the propaganda and the media, they can't

control it when, you know, when their kids don't come back and they start talking amongst themselves. it is a propaganda problem for putin. >> and you have the moscow media conversations whether experts are talking about using an ever-increasing and escalating level of force. and other escalations. is that a precursor to what you think they are looking to do? >> i think they are going to use everything that they can and, you know, call them conventional weapons, if they don't do it, then they are going to escalate to come i think, stronger and stronger weapons. but i will tell you there is another side to this which is domestically, the economy is in freefall and i have been seeing on social media, russian social media, lines of people, in fact there was one city of people in particular and they are lining up for sugar, so, coincidentally , today, on russian tv, there

was reports saying, well, here we are in the, you know, in the warehouse where they have all of the sugar and don't worry, there's plenty of sugar, you know, the message was, please don't panic, don't panic, but that is happening. so, russians average russians, they are now beginning to feel the war come home to them. you know, as steve was saying, the dead soldiers and the boys, but also economically, it is beginning to really affect them. >> thank you very much. i would encourage people to look at that you know we can't verify that but those sugar lines, that is something so pointing about that that it is sugar and so many of them older people in russia lining up for that. thank you all very much. annexed, just ahead of russia's fast approaching deadline for mariupol to surrender, my next guest is desperately trying to

reach his brother and sister both of whom are in mariupol less new video of brutality being inflicted on defenseless war protesters. and what should biden do when he is in europe? should he go near ukraine? i will ask the former u.s. ambassador. whatat's best for o. with 1/4 moisturizing cream, dove is the #1 bar dermatologisists use at home.

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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ukraine tonight is not going to surrender. despite the deadline which we are quickly approaching. ukrainian official calling what russia has done to the city, quote, a chapter from world war ii. degree consul general who is the last eu diplomat to evacuate mariupol put it this way. >> >> translator: what i saw, i hope no one will ever see. may opel will become a part of cities that were completely destroyed by war. >> his mother and sister are currently trapped in mariupol

and i am so sorry, truly no one watching can understand the stress and fear that you feel and there has been no communication there. what is the last you heard from your mother and sister? >> last i heard from them about three weeks ago when there was still connection during the first days of war and then they destroyed everything, electricity, gas, water supply, everything and no connection, no internet, so then a week after that, my niece's husband managed to call me where i was one place where he could reach and call and he told me that they were alive, but, next time it was about two weeks ago, it was a situation that was much better and after that it was

constant shelling and i had no news so i didn't talk to my mother for three weeks and then about three days ago, a friend of mine managed to call me and i asked him to check out them and to take mother because he left close to that place but he said, sorry, i can't, because there are no roads. i need to evacuate my wife, my children. the district is destroyed completely. even three or four days ago, 80% of all buildings were destroyed. there was nothing already. no districts, absolutely. and there are still more than 350 people they are hiding in the basements there is no food,

no water, a week ago or 10 days ago they were eating snow, melted snow, now there isn't and there are no food resources or reserves i mean. and russians don't let a humanitarian convoy for many times already, five times, they promised as they don't let it come to the city. they are dying, they drink water from puddles already. they drink water from some of that. there are only two of them in the city, there are no lakes, nothing. and just when i was told that story, i couldn't help but to burst into tears. they are

sitting without lights, without anything inside the basements because they have to go out to prepare some food and open fire but the russians keep shelling and chilling them so it is a very big risk and you can imagine the people, their psychological state inside the basements for two weeks without lights, without electricity, without food. they need, for example when they have already. but i am afraid that they are still to come because as i told you most of the people are elderly people, women, and they the average seller was about three or $400 so they could hardly make both ends meet, so, they didn't buy results.

even i asked three weeks ago when i started when i was begging my mother to evacuate but then the situation was worse during the first days. she rejected. and then i asked them to evacuate to the nearest villages. you mentioned the greek diplomat. i am also of greek origin, the city was set up by greeks and i asked, we have relatives nearby and i was told it would be better anyway. the villages wouldn't be shelled. so she rejected and i asked them at least, i send them money to my mother and my niece to buy some food and it saved their lives because they didn't , nobody thought that it would be such a catastrophe. because you know now there are dead

people, corpses spread all around the city. nobody count how many people have been dead. and officials said that it was about 2000. but it was three or four years ago when they could, at least. now they bury people in the yards. you see them when they try to pick up the dead bodies or to bury them because it is dangerous. and i don't know, there is still a catastrophe to come. because you kind of mentioned these dead bodies are decaying. and each of them, it will be a catastrophe. humanitarian catastrophe. and we need to, you know, soldiers who are left there, they don't, they can't shut down , and constantly day by day, regularly, every hour, they are

targeting people who are gathering to prepare food as you know, drama theater, it was a shelter for more than 1000 women and elderly people and mostly children, they were hiding there. and they dropped a huge bomb three days ago and there were signs for children. three or four minutes later. and yesterday they dropped a bomb on a school where there were 400 also women and children. it is complete genocide. i hope i can still entertain and hope my mother is still alive and my sister. the problem is that yesterday i tried to reach for information. i have sources but they evacuated civilians which they occupied two filtration camps

and then to russia, to the outskirts of russia, they take, document and order not to leave the places for two years. they are , you know? >> well, i appreciate you so much sharing all of this. and on that point you made about them having some of the civilians go to russia, we will be talking much more about that because i know it is so crucial and not put those civilians have indicated in any way that they want that, our thoughts are with you as you are in this agonizing wait to see if your mother and sister are okay. pray that they will be and that you will hear good news soon. thank you so very much. next, russia's own weapons are being used against them as ukrainian forces show off firepower coming from the u.s. and other countries.

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disturbing new video showing ukrainian protesters being met with force by russian forces in southwest ukraine. this video you are seeing appears to show russian troops detaining at least two protesters with their hands behind their backs. one of the protesters being kicked repeatedly. it says russia announces deputy commander of the black sea fleet was killed during crashes in southern ukraine. the latest in a series of and explicitly high losses all the

way through the ranks of the very top. he does witness antiaircraft explosions over the capital, obviously you can hear some of that behind your. tell us what you are hearing and seeing now? >> reporter: yeah, a tough night here for the folks in the capital of ukraine, not only with the bursts of antiaircraft fire that we heard from a very long time but also antiaircraft missiles we saw being launched. we saw sort of an illuminated .to go across the air of the city which may or may not have been a russian plane but there was also a massive explosion that hit a mall and killed one person and we really do hear sirens here throughout the entire night. however, what is also happening as the russians really aren't making very much way in the way of territorial gains. they are being pushed back at times and ukrainians are actually able to get some of russia's equipment and then use that themselves. here's what we saw.

>> another setback for vladimir putin's army. ukrainian forces say they destroyed this column of russian vehicles but believe it or not, some might be used by the ukrainian army suit. this unit of ukraine's territorial defense fixes up captured russian military hardware.

>> ukrainian military says these weapons that are captured and the tanks and the armored vehicles are really a significant source for the

ukrainian military. of course there is a lot of attrition on their side so anything they can capture they then turn around and use themselves and it is quite interesting because the u.s. is now also saying that the russians really because of the result on the capital has halted they are using more standoff aerial weapons to target the ukrainian military of course also hitting a lot of civilians as well. >> it is pretty amazing how significant it is to have those weapons that they are seizing. thank you very much. we of course are keeping our eyes on what happened on the ground. next a website on russian secret service activity shut down by russia today. why, why now? i'm going to ask the man behind the website. plus, the ultimatum on mariupol. it has been a flat-out rejection thus far from ukraine and we are now just moments

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a russian website around for more than two decades, the latest victim of putin's efforts to censor the truth about his invasion of ukraine. it was a watchdog, it is a watchdog of the russian secret service activities and it is now just blacked out in russia. a russian investigative journalist and founder and editor. i'm glad to be speaking to you tonight. i am not happy about this development, though,

your website obviously has been around for more than two decades with your investigative work focused on russian secret services and other activities in russia. why do you think they decided to do this and block you now? >> well, i think it is because we have been, for all of these years, have been trying to profile every department, every unit and keep it updated and they are doing that now. and i think that triggered his reaction so they decided to block our website on sunday. they didn't want to wait even until monday. >> so, tell me what some of the latest is that you know? i know obviously there are people with vpns that can get around that. they would have to seek that out. so fewer people can see it but some may be canned but obviously it won't start your work and it won't stop what you are publishing and this information is so vitally

crucial right now. what you are seeing within those intelligence services. >> well, they are reporting what is going on right now because it is all control. they control what is for to go into ukraine. that is why it started in the security services. we still think we can make information available for the russians, we use social media, telegram, facebook. we also have a backup plan we can use if we can be stripped of the domain name. so we hope to be still available. >> and when we hear the setbacks, obviously you took about some of that that you have been reporting on, but also some of the morale challenges that we are seeing among russian soldiers in the front lines. by the way, they have access to social media that russians don't because that has not been shut down in all of ukraine

except for mariupol where there is no communications. what are you seeing there? are you seeing any of those soldiers on the front line or any of this breaking through to them? >> yes, exactly. it looks like right now the russian soldiers are using ukrainian communications and the information is unscented and we are trying to understand what is going on because they have big problems with communications and at the same time, trying to create a new narrative. they just announced they wanted to abort 40 soldiers for their bravery and this is clearly an attempt to build a her auric narrative about what is going on in ukraine but i don't think people are actually buying it. >> well i appreciate your time. i always do. i hammerle sorry

about this development, but obviously i know that you are doing everything possible to continue to get the word out and get it around as you say in telegram and other domains and we appreciate that and your sharing it with us. thank you. more of our special edition of outfront's next. the city of mariupol defying russian demands for a complete surrender. the russian deadline is now just about 12 minutes away. so what now? i will ask the foreign ambassador to ukraine, william taylor. big boi quartz. word? realtor.com to each their home. does daily stress leave you feeling out of sync? new dove men stress-relief body wash... with a plant-based adaptogen, helps alleviate stress onkin. so you can get back in sync. new dove men. a restorative shower for body and mind.

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visit copdsos.org. breaking news. we are just minutes away from russia's deadline for the surrender of mariupol. they said that that would have to happen by the top of the hour. ukrainian officials have flatly rejected that demand with the deputy foreign minister saying, quote, there can be no discussion of any surrender of laying down arms. now it's unclear what the russians will do once the deadline formally passes. we have the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. that statement was of course there can be no discussion of any surrender of putting down

arms. we've already informed the russian side about it. this came out at the top of this hour. instead of wasting your time to write an eight-page letter, open the corridor, referring of course to humanitarian corridors. you're going to pass this formal, quote, unquote, deadline in just a few minutes. what do you think the russians do now? >> so, they will try to do some things that they've done in other places. that is try to put their own people in, try to put a puppet governor in or mayor. try to take control of the city council. and what you see on the part of the people living in mariupol is a strong resistance. you see it even where the russians do occupy the city. the people of kherson, they resist, they're in the streets. they will not allow this to be -- they'll reject this puppet government. so i imagine that's the same

thing that will happen in mariupol. >> the white house press secretary jen psaki, ambassador, said that biden has, quote, no plans to visit ukraine for that nato summit. obviously we did see some prime ministers from eastern europe go last week, and some ukrainian officials appealed to biden to do so as a sign of solidarity. obviously it would be incredibly dangerous and raise incredible more macro risks. so i understand why it doesn't make sense. but they of course are under a lot of pressure. but do you think it's the right call for biden to categorically not do that? >> turns out that i was in kyiv the last time, i was serving in kyiv the last time a sitting president was in that country, george bush in 2008. it means a whole lot to a nation to have the president of the united states show up. and so of course that would be a big boost. however, we understand that even

now there are more shellings, you reported overnight. this is probably not the right time to send the president of the united states in there. so, there are other things he could do. he could go to the border, the polish border with ukraine. and we saw secretary blinken and his counterpart the foreign minister kuleba go into ukraine. they walked across the border. so there are things that president biden can do to demonstrate support. and this trip to europe is an opportunity. >> so, ambassador, obviously u.s. and nato officials have had trouble at this point deciphering what, if any, progress is being made in negotiations. who's holding them between ukraine and russia, and you got turkey jumping in, israel jumping and switzerland maybe jumping in and all of that chaos, seemingly. president zelenskyy has said if negotiations fail it could lead to a third world war. there have been, though, now many meetings and virtual meetings. and it just seems when you look at some of the terms, the

russians keep still throwing that word denazification out there. do these negotiations mean anything when they're still putting that in as a key term? >> no. that kind of talk makes no sense. however, there are some discussions that are not clearly going anywhere until and unless president putin says so, and president putin is not going to say so, i imagine, until he realizes that he's losing or at least not winning on the battlefield. and the economic sanctions are hurting very badly. they get worse. his people, his forces are stalled around kyiv and in other places. when that happens, then he may take advantage of whatever conversation has been going on, on these things. but the denazification and the

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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. i'm erin burnett. and welcome to a special edition of "outfront." we begin this hour with breaking news. ukraine is refusing to meet russia's demands to surrender the city of mariupol. and that deadline is now formally passed just seconds ago. ukraine's deputy