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this is cnn breaking news. hello and well com to our viewers all around the world and also if you are joining us from the united states this hour, i'm hala gorani reporting live from lviv, ukraine. we begin with breaking news. after days of fighting, the ukrainian army forces say they have regained control of the key town near the capital. take a look at the map. makariv had sustained major damage from russian air strikes but ukraine's military says the country's flag has once again been raised over that particular
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community. you see where it's located in the country there. the russian military, though, is making life an absolute misery in places like mariupol after leaders there defied russian demands to surrender. the ukrainian officer says bombs have been hitting the southern port city every ten minutes. now, the eu's foreign policy chief calls the siege of mariupol a massive war crime. this drone footage from a unit of ukraine's national guard shows explosions at an industrial compound in the city. and these satellite images show smoke hanging over blocks of the city, and rising from burning apartment buildings. many residents are trapped, as they suffer through severe shortages and struggle just to stay alive. before the war, mariupol was home to nearly half a million people. >> translator: hardworking, honest city of mariupol which is
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being destroyed by the occupiers and being reduced to ashes, but it will survive. >> well, in kyiv, a strict new curfew is in effect until wednesday morning after a powerful explosion ripped through a shopping center targeted by the russians. deadly shrapnel hit nearby every apartment building, killing at least eight people. the kremlin claims that ukrainian troops were hiding rocket launchers in the mall. ukraine is dismissing that claim. western powers say there is growing evidence of russian atrocities. >> we certainly see clear evidence that russian forces are committing war crimes. >> what's happening in mariupol is a massive war crime. destroying everything. >> and what about those cities or that one city that is occupied by russia, kherson? well, it's believed russia opened fire with live ammo on a daily protest there. there was an explosion, and then loud bursts of gunfire.
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take a look. at least one person wupz was seen bleeding profusely in some of the video. an elderly gentleman. kherson has been occupied by russian forces for about two weeks. now, for the hundreds of thousands of people who may still be in mariupol, that southern port city, it is clear there is no safe place to escape the russian assaultm. phil black reports their days are marked by sheltering in what is left of the buildings, and confronting the bleak landscape outside. and a warning, some of what you are about to see is disturbing. >> reporter: between the shelling and air strikes in mariupol, people emerge to do what they can for the living and the dead. this man says he hopes these graves are only temporary, that the bodies will be reburied
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someday. they spend much of their time sheltering in what remains of the buildings, and often beneath them. basements offer some protection but little comfort. this woman says they have enough food and firewood to last a week. around 300,000 people in mariupol are living like this. those without homes are crowding together in large buildings. over the weekend, an art school with around 400 people inside was bombed and destroyed. this video gives a sense of what these large shelters are like. it's from a theater where around a thousand or more people were staying. mostly, women, children, the elderly. days later, it was blown apart in a suspected air strike. the russian word for children, marked out in huge letters outside provided no safety. kateryna lived across from that
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theater, and delivered food and other aid to the people hiding out there. she tells us, it's difficult to describe the sympathy she felt for them. they were terrified, cowering in horror at the sounds of planes overhead. always afraid of a bomb dropping. she lived under russian attack in mariupol for 21 days. this is not just a city, she says, this is my whole life. she survived without power in freezing conditions with little food, with eight other members of her family until the building was hit. they pulled dead neighbors from the rubble, and decided to leave the city. she says she can't imagine life without mariupol. she will return but now in her burning city, there are lots of people, lots of children under the rubble. others in shelters. the journey out of the besieged
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city is slow and dangerous. but every day, relatively small numbers are leaving what ever way they can along what are supposed to be agreed corridors. a local official says some people have been fired upon. others have had their vehicles seized at russian checkpoints. the people of mariupol have no good options. stay and endure the horror of russia's bombardment, or face danger and uncertainty leaving all they know behind. phil black, cnn, lviv, ukraine. >> a closer look now at the russian military's performance in ukraine. assessments from both the nato and the united states claim that the kremlin's campaign is stalled on the ground, which is leading to an uptick in the air strikes and longer-range missile attacks, as well. and the pentagon says that is causing more widespread destruction and the increased targeting of civilians. a russian tabloid reported on monday that the russian defense ministry reported nearly 10,000 deaths so far in ukraine, so
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there is some acknowledgment on the russian side of these heavy losses. a short time later, however, that report had vanished. the director of the international security program at the laurie institute. he is with us from sydney. first, let me ask you about this recapturing according to ukrainian forces of makariv close to kyiv. what do you make of it? >> look, i think alongside a lot of the other news we are getting, it -- it strongly suggests that the -- that the russian campaign is stalled. um, the problem with all these -- um -- you know, bits of information that we're collecting is that it's very hard to make a very coherent picture out of it. it's clear that the campaign is going nearly as well as the russians would have reasonably expected when it began. but the -- the scale of the information that we get don't really -- it -- personally, i find it very hard to draw a coherent picture out of it to know where this all ends.
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it still seems to me plausible that we -- we end up in a situation where, at the very least, you know, the russians get a kind of favorable -- um -- diplomatic agreement out of this. it's also equally plausible to me that we see, after a few weeks, the russian army collapse entirely. i -- that is still a very wide spectrum of possibilities to me. >> yeah, still a bit too early to obviously predict the future. and we've -- so many people got it wrong four weeks ago, when -- when many of us believed that russia would not fully invade the country, and start striking targets as they are now because really it's a huge country. uh, it didn't make much logical sense. they are taking huge losses. i mean, even that russian tabloid that headlined 10,000 russian soldiers. it -- it was taken down. but there is a realization inside of russia that the troop lossless are absolutely tremendous. when you say there is a possibility of a russian
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military collapse, you're not ott the only one to say that because they are losing men, they are losing vehicles, they are losing helicopters. how do they sustain this in the longer run? because they -- they need power they don't necessarily have. >> right. i mean, my sense is that at least 60% of russia's total land combat power is devoted to this campaign. it could be upwards of 75%. some are arguing. so if that -- you know, that force is decisively defeated on the battlefield, then effectively, you could argue that the entire russian army is collapsed. now, from -- from the perspective of, you know, the ukrainian government and ukrainian people, that is something that is decidedly to be wished for. however, i think among western leaders, they need to think beyond that. they need to think what happens after that? and i think there is real danger here that if -- if russia's
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defeat is too complete and if that is actually reinforced by what are really some absolutely crippling economic sanctions, then we're in danger of entering territory where the russian government decides the only way to get out of this is to escalate. and one possible method of escalation -- i don't know it's been talked about in the american media recently -- is to use a small nuclear weapon to essentially what -- what the strategists call escalate to deescalate. so, you -- you up the ante, and then you on the other side, basically stand back and say, okay, we have gone this far but we are not prepared to go any further. >> so what's the right way to deal with this now? from the western perspective. i mean, they are talking about sanctions against the energy sector. that would be an absolute disaster for the russian economy, which is already on the verge of collapsing because of all the other sanctions. some banks from the s.w.i.f.t. system, the ruble is collapsing, central bank can't raise funds abroad anymore.
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and if you sanction the entire energy sector, that's really its only way this country and this economy of raising funds for the war effort. >> yes, i think the guiding principle here is that we want the russians to lose but we don't want them to lose by too much. um, you know, we -- otherwise, we set up something far worse from -- from happening as i said in my previous answer. so, one thing i think that -- that perhaps needs to be signalled right now is that if certain conditions are met, then the sanctions regime can be slackened off. now, arguably, i think the economists would say that all -- a lot of damage has already been done and that's not reversible by -- by turning off the sanctions. you don't -- you don't turn it up and turn it down like you would a tap. but nevertheless, that could have an importance. >> yeah, there is discussions need to be happening through back channels, right? they can't -- the western countries can't come out and publicly say if you deescalate
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here, we'll deescalate there, right? >> yeah, absolutely. and i certainly hope that's happening. i mean, the thing that i -- that worries me a little bit about the -- particularly, the first weekend after the russian invasion was that this sanctions regime and the military assistance to the ukrainian side have happened so quickly that there was a sense of runaway momentum about it. i mean, you not only have the toughest sanctions against any country in history. and certainly, against any great power with nuclear weapons in history. but you also had essentially the german government overturning its defense policy over the course of a weekend. and then, we had sweden and switzerland overturning their neutrality. the eu becoming a kind of power-political player in europe. and -- and it did give me the sense of runaway momentum, that the western leaders here were thinking about the crisis but they weren't thinking past the crisis. >> yes, but the problem, sam, is obviously here you have a
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completely unprovoked, vicious attack by one of the big superpowers of the world on its very, you know, much smaller neighbor. and the concern from the west is if we let putin get away with this, in the same way the western countries allowed him to get away with annexing crimea illegally, what's next? the baltic states? where does this end? we need to act decisively. that's the argument from their side and if you don't, then it's an open door to this bullying, vicious attack. >> you know, i get the argument. i would say, firstly, that i mean clearly the western response has been pretty decisive. and based on the kind of figures we are seeing now, for instance, about russian casualties that you've mentioned, i think -- i think you could mount an argument that the western military assistance to the ukrainian army has had a dramatic effect, perhaps even a decisive effect. that -- that these anti-tank missiles have -- have really made a huge difference to the ukrainian military.
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another thing is that really i don't think the idea of russia being a threat to nato was ever very credible, and it certainly isn't now. because russia -- the russian army's that much weaker and -- and nato, despite, you know, several decades now of -- of weak military spending by historic standards, still remains, you know, very wealthy and very militarily capable more than capable of withstanding russian aggression. so i don't think that was ever on the cards although i do grant the baltic republics, that is kind of a special case. very difficult for nato to defend. >> yeah. certainly. and also, historically, they -- they -- they remember. they remember suffering certainly at the hands of -- of soviet occupation and aggression. sam, thanks very much for joining us and we'll be speaking again soon, i'm sure. the remaining members of a shift at chernobyl's radioactive waste facilities have been relieved.
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they had been on duty ever since russian forces seized the site nearly four weeks ago. the international atomic energy agency pushed for them to be rotated out, saying they were exhausted, under extreme pressure, and posed a safety concern. the workers have now been replaced, we understand, by ukrainian colleagues. the carnage unleashed by vladimir putin has led to civilian casualties with the most innocent, the children, paying the highest price of russia's invasion. a 2-year-old boy was laid to rest near the capital in kyiv after he was killed last week by russian shelling. his father spoke about his unimaginable loss. >> translator: i don't know if there is a god. what is all this for? for what? a 2-year-old child, who hasn't experienced life yet. a 2-year-old child who died for nothing. mom called him little kiss. now, there's no one.
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>> well, in another grim reminder that the horrors of war are relentlessly repeated, a 96-year-old holocaust survivor was killed during a russian strike on kharkiv. boris romanchenko had survived four concentration camps during world war ii. but it is this war, started by vladimir putin, to his words, denazify ukraine, that ultimately claimed this man's life. president zelenskyy's office noted romanchenko's death, saying each passing day makes it increasingly clear what russia's denazification is really all about. our coverage of russia's war on this country continues in just a moment. straight ahead, as the refugee crisis grows, one polish couple is opening their home to dozens of ukrainians fleeing the violence. stay with us. (music throughout)
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it is the all clear, thankfully. so, we had just a couple of hours ago, an air-raid siren. they are signaling that potentially there was some sort of threat from the skies over this part of the country. and we are now hearing the all clear thankfully. the united nations says russia's war on ukraine has driven nearly 3.5 million people out of the country. the vast majority are heading west to neighboring countries, and a few include those who are displaced but still in ukraine, the number jumps to at least 10 million. that is almost a quarter of ukraine's population, now forced from their homes. the u.n. says more than 90% of the people who have fled the country are women and children, and they are at a, quote, heightened risk of gender-based violence and other forms of exploitation and abuse. well, poland has registered the highest number of ukrainian refugees so far with more than 2.1 million people crossing as of monday. the u.n. says poland is now one
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of the largest refugee-hosting countries in the world. many of them, continuing -- who arrive in poland -- continuing their journey to other european countries. cnn's ed lavandera shows us one polish couple opening their homes to dozens of people. >> reporter: the children enjoy a game of hide and seek with a young boy hiding in the corner. but they're not siblings. they're new friends, brought together by war and the good will of this man and his wife. they opened their home to this ukrainian family who escaped the war zone less than a week ago. when did you decide to help ukrainian refugees? >> when the first bomb go down. >> since the war started, the family has taken in 46 people. this truck driver, who recently recovered from cancer, says
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helping ukrainian refugees is something he has to do. why have you opened your house to so many people? >> because it -- it's in polish tradition, i think, to open our hearts, to open our homes for someone who is in need. >> reporter: and he is quick to think of the little things that make his guests feel at home. yulia is in poland with her 7-year-old son, 4-month-old baby, along with her elderly parents. today is her birthday. she wanted us to see the gift she received from her hosts -- blue and yellow flowers, ukraine's national colors. yulia and her family escaped from the eastern ukrainian city of dnipro last week. the fighting has intensified around their hometown. so, on march 13th, at 5:30 in the morning, a russian fighter jet flew over your home. what were you thinking in that
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moment? she says, this was the turning point. i realized that i could no longer endure it. at that moment, i thought i had to save my children. she is a police officer at home. she was on maternity leave when the war started. now, it's up to her to figure out what to do next as the war drags on. but she says her heart is in ukraine with the family she left behind. my heart stayed at home, she says, i'm scared for my relatives but thank god i'm in a warm place, surrounded by kindness and have inner peace. this family here in poland -- will you always consider them part of your family? yes, she says. they have already become part of our family. on this night, far from home, yulia was treated to a birthday-cake surprise and a
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lovely version of the traditional polish birthday song. yulia tells us her only wish is for peace and the end of war, so her family can return home. ed lavandera, poland. >> well, if you would like to safely and securely help people in ukraine who need shelter, food, and water, we have compile add list of organizations. cnn.com/impact. you will find several ways you can help. still ahead. ukraine says it has scored a victory against russian troops in a key town near the capital. our breaking news coverage continues after the break. also, coming up. lithuania's foreign minister says russia must be punished, and warns against sanctions fatigue. i will speak to him live after the break.
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go to stamps.com/try and never go to the post office again i'm hala gorani in lviv, ukraine. an update on our breaking news this hour. now, ukraine's army says it has forced russian troops out of makariv, the city located west of the capital kyiv. you see it there, highlighted to the south, ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy says the besieged city of mariupol is being reduced to ashes. the city has endured weeks of
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near-constant russian attacks. a ukrainian soldier says bombs are now falling every ten minutes. the port city was home to nearly half war, and while some have escaped, ukrainian officials believe tens of thousands are still trapped without water, heat, or power. and new satellite images give you an idea of the scale of the devastation. um, entire apartment blocks burning. and russian artillery deployed around the city. and ukraine's capital, there is a strict curfew in effect until wednesday morning. after that powerful explosion that ripped through a kyiv shopping mall on monday. here is a look at the ah mfterm of that currently to -- to
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>> yeah. so, one potential analysis of this isn't that vladimir putin should not be punished but it is that if he is punished so completely economically, that he will think there is no other option than to escalate this invasion and these strikes by using much, much more lethal weapons. do you, on any level, share that concern? that the eu and nato partners have to hold back a little bit >> look. i mean, we were so afraid of -- of escalation since -- since it started war. and what we are seeing now is cities of half a million people, like mariupol, completely reduced to rubble or ash, as -- as the ukrainian president is saying. so, how long are we going to -- to sit like that? you know, how many cities or which cities need to be destroyed in order for us to
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say, okay, this is -- this is some sort of a red line which we -- when we are employing another -- another round of sanctions. this is -- this is an actual war and it's not just against ukraine. it's -- i am confident that it's against the whole western community. >> yeah. so, that being said, does that mean you support the idea of a nato no-fly zone over the whole country? >> i understand what -- what the partners are saying when they saying that it's -- it's too difficult at this point to establish a countrywide no-fly zone for -- for all that it means. but i think that we have to start talking about -- about red lines and start drawin the u.s. intelligence is -- is stating very clearly that there is an increased risk that russia will use a chemical and biological weapon. i think that these sort of
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messages and without a response from -- from us, what kind of reaction would that produce in -- in the west? they are just information sound byte but we have to be very clear that, for example, if russia escalates with weapons of mass destruction, then the west would be ready to arm -- to arm ukraine with additional -- additional weapons. maybe heavier weapons. maybe give a chance for ukrainians themselves to close down the sky with -- with western weaponry in order to avoid thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of people's deaths. >> i just want to get a sense here in brussels, belgium, you have spoken with your colleagues and your counterparts in eu countries. how ready are they to increase sanctions against russia's energy sector? and if so, when would this -- you mentioned the salami approach, which is not the whole sector but start with oil, for instance. when -- when would that happen? what is a timeline that has been
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agreed upon, if any? >> to be honest, the feeling that is in the air is that there is a certain sense of fatigue. and this is alarming for the countries in the baltics and maybe others in -- in europe or in the west. when we are seeing the relentless will to fight in -- in ukraine. i've just been to lviv. i've seen -- i've seen people, you know, how -- how willing they are to fight and win this war. and when you -- when you feel this fatigue in the west, it's -- it's really alarming and i think that this is a very bad way to go. i think there will be enough pressure from the public, from -- from everybody just to really to keep on -- keep on pushing and sanctions is one thing we need to achieve in the west. so i hope -- >> so, it sounds -- it sounds like they are far off based on what you're saying. i mean, you are mentioning fatigue already. we are not even a month in. so does it -- does it sound to you, based on the conversations you've had, that they're not ready to -- to enact this
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particular new round of tougher sanctions on the sector itself? the energy sector itself in russia? >> we haven't agreed on that yet. but therefore, i'm also -- this is why i'm choosing this moment to -- that we cannot be fatigued. we cannot feel fatigued before ukraine -- before ukrainians. i mean, they are still fighting there. so we have to fight with them. and if the only weapon that we have is sanctions, so we should -- we should employ this. they are not holding back. why should we? and i think it's -- it's a very important time now. and history will not be easy on
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a senior nato official says signs are pointing to a stalemate in russia's war on ukraine. from ground forces to combat aircraft that have fail today achieve the advantage in the air. but the official says russia isn't backing down. it's assembling reinforcements as it continues to resort to less precise and more brutal weaponry against civilians. a similar assessment from the pentagon spokesman, who says russian forces have failed to achieve many of their objectives on the ground. he says russia is increasingly turning to long-range strikes from cruise missiles to artillery fire. and earlier, i spoke with steven hall, senior fellow at the center for european policy analysis about the possible outcomes of a stalemate situation. >> peace talks that are ongoing and what's been reported to be coming out of them are very interesting. i think and even in his remarks to the u.s. congress where
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president zelenskyy said i recognize that we're not likely to be allowed into nato. he is putting that sort of neutrality, i think, on the table in those peace talks. but i'd expect that the tradeoff for that neutrality would be some security guarantees. u.s., uk, turkey have been mentioned as guarantors of ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity and such a cease-fire situation. but in that case, i would also expect that president zelenskyy in ukraine would want that ukrainian territory to be that from before 2014. >> and of course, russia wants a whole lot more than just ukraine saying well we won't be a part of nato, right? so i mean, at this stage, president zelenskyy has to be very careful that he doesn't compromise too much. >> very challenging to think of what could look like a win for president putin in moscow if there is a stalemate sort of a
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situation. look at the -- completely compliant, totally nonwestern-leaning ukraine. that seems almost impossible. and with all the -- the expectations i think he built up of a quick victory, it's hard to see what sort of concessions would be acceptable at all to russia. >> and we will have more of my conversation with steven hall next hour. donors have given more than $635,000 to help ukrainian zoos impacted by the war. the european association of zoos and aquaria is praising individuals and institutions for a, quote, extraordinary and humbling gift. it comes after zoos in ukraine posted online pleas for help. ukraine says the zoo in mykolaiv that was bombed, some staff joined the fight against russia's invasion, while others stayed to help the stressed
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animals. the money will help zoos in ukraine resupply and take care of operations. a street mule in the czech republic protesting russia's war in ukraine is getting attention around the world. it shows a young girl sheltering european and american cartoon characters under the blue and yellow ukrainian flag. the artist says the message is that ukraine is protecting the rest of the world from disaster. he lives in prague with his family and has taken a ukrainian mother and two children who fled the fighting. incredible piece of work there. just ahead. a routine flight gone horribly wrong. one of the most commonly used planes in the airline industry fell from the sky in china, and now investigators are trying to figure out why.
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welcome back. human rights activists are welcoming the u.s. determination that myanmar military committed genocide against muslims in 2016. and 2017. secretary of state says there is clear evidence of an attempt to destroy the muslim minority. through mass killings, rape and torture. about 850,000 muslims are still living in camps in bangladesh. the genocide designation could bring more sanctions and other penalties against myanmar's military government. investigators are trying to figure out what caused a boeing aircraft to crash in the chinese city.
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on monday. 132 passengers and crew on board. no survivors have been found so far. according to chinese state media. cnn has more. >> reporter: new video shows one of the world's most popular jet liner dropping from the sky. security images obtained by state owned television show china eastern airlines flight 5735 plunging straight down into the mountains of southern china. data shows minutes after leveling off at a cruising altitude of 29,000 feet. the boeing 737 began a rapid dive. losing more than 25,000 feet in less than two minutes. china state media says all 132 people on board were killed. >> this is what they would have heard in the cockpit. >> retired airline pilot teaches in this boeing 737 simulator. he notes the plane in question was a boeing 737 800. which lacks technology behind the crashes of 737 max.
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>> it's probably one of the safest airplanes ever built. this was the model before the max. and that didn't have the system in it. even though people hear 737. >> apples and oranges. same airplane. different problem. >> what was supposed to be a less than two hour flight, crashed in heavy forest. making access for rescuers difficult. witnesses say they saw no smoke coming from the jet liner. until it hit the ground. the 737 800 the second most common airliner in the world. there are more than 4,500 worldwide. including almost 800 in the united states. china eastern airlines is now grounding its entire 737800 fleet. >> the early evidence is very ominous. i'm afraid the early evidence of the accident is points that you'll do a hard look at the flight crew. >> you have likely flown on a boeing 737 800.
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hundreds are used by southwest and american airlines. boeing says it is in touch can china eastern airlines and says it will provide assistance to the chinese government leading the investigation. this is the country's first fatal airline crash in more than a decade. cnn, washington. and thanks so much for being with us this hour. breaking news coverage continues after this break. with angi, you can connect with and see ratings and reviews. and when you book and pay throug you're covered by our r happine check out angigi.com today. angi... and done.
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