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amazing times, the end of liberty. this is the wife of a supreme court justice suggesting that mike pence, the vice president, should have stood in the way of a certification of the election results. it is now part of the january 6th investigation. erin? >> incredible stuff though. thank you very much, ryan. and thanks to all of you. ac 360 begins right now. good evening. at the end of a busy and highly consequential day in and around the worst conflict since the second world war. we begin with characterization of it, which is almost certainly not true. that said, it's important to show you because it illustrates what russia wants the rest of the world to think about the war which it refuses to call a war or an invasion. it's a tweet from russia's foreign ministry quoting now exactly one month since the start of the special military operation in ukraine. it is going according to plan and all the stated goals will be
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achieved. life is returning to normal and the territories already liberated from nationalists. take a look. this is one of three russian tanks. ukrainians say they destroyed east of kyiv. part of a larger counter offensive in the area. taking a look at that, it doesn't look like a russian operation in the words of that tweet that went, according to plan. nor does this, a new drone video of irpin to the northwest of kyiv. the mayor says it's come under heavy rocket fire telling cnn that 80% of the town is now controlled by the ukrainian army. in southeastern ukraine this is one of the occupied cities where life is supposedly returning to normal according to russia's foreign ministry. russian forces took it three days into the war and that burning that you see is a russian warship, one of three that ukrainian forces say they hit. american defense official confirms it tonight. the ukrainians say it's the orsk and that it was delivering
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armored personnel carriers. just a day ago russian television ran a report on the russian ship's arrival. our arrival here 1 a milestone. it opens up completely new opportunities for the black sea fleet to use existing ukrainian infrastructure. until, that is, it doesn't. so not according to plan or life returning to normal which is crueller. car kyiv, aftermath of a missile strike at a shopping mall. regional government saying 140 multiple rocket launch attacks, 40 artillery shells. this is what we call a stable situation. life is certainly not returning to normal for the nearly 4 million ukrainians who had to leave the country or the children who now cannot leave. look at that picture, a little girl lying in a hospital bed
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with sand bags in the windows so she doesn't get even more injured by a nearby blast. she is 11 years old. she's at a children's hospital in zaporizhzhia recovering from a gunshot to her jaw. at the same hospital a little boy, artem, just 3 years old by another window with sand bags. he was hit in the stomach by shrapnel. nothing about his wounds or the sand bags or anything in this picture in this window in any way says normal and it never should. the u.n. says 105 children have been wounded since the war began and 78 killed but those are the numbers that they managed to confirm. the likely death toll is much higher. the actual figures are much higher. cnn's ivan watson visited that hospital today and we'll have a conversation with him about it just ahead. also to russia's claim that all is going according to plan. president biden at an emergency nato summit. the president announcing more than $1 billion humanitarian aid
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for ukrainians, and tighter sanctions on russia. he was also asked about something that would not be a topic for discussion yet chillingly now is. >> so you've warned about the real threat of chemical weapons being used. have you gathered specific intelligence that suggests that president putin is deploying these weapons, moving them into position or considering their use? and would the u.s. ornate tow respond with military action if he did use chemical weapons? >> on the first question, i can't answer that. i'm not going to give you intelligence data, number one. number two, we would respond. we would respond if he uses it. the nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use. >> thankfully that moment has not come. what is hopping is east of kyiv is getting ground. air raid sirens are being heard. frederick pleitgen is there. we have new video showing heavy rocket attacks in irpin.
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what more do we know? >> anderson, this is something that's happening throughout the course of the day. we're in touch with the mayor of irpin. he was saying, yes, those heavy rocket attacks were happening and they're happening just as ukrainian forces are actually moving back into irpin. the national police is back on the ground there. it's still far away from any sense of normalcy. the same is true of kyiv. it's a city very much on a war footing. the persons in charge of making this city still work and making the citizens even have a semblance of life is the mayor. the former boxing champ. he's working with his brother who was a world heavy weight champion. i got to visit the two in a secret location where they were running everything. here's what they told me. as vladimir putin continues his assault on ukraine, the u.s.
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believes taking the capitol of kyiv remains russia's main goal, but the city's mayor, former world champ vows putin's troops will not enter this town. we met the mayor and his brother vladimir in a secret location in kyiv. >> do you think you have what it takes to fend them off completely and that this city will not be taken by russia? >> it's our hometown. we will -- we don't want to be slaves. we don't want ussr to live in our territory. we see it as modern. democratic. >> the klitschkos are on the move constantly. putin says he's only targeting
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military targets. sorry. >> reporter: comforting those affected by the war and overseeing the effort to train those looking to confront russian forces. >> reporter: you've really stepped up and organized the city. how did you imagine to do that, learn it on the fly? >> we don't need to organize. i meet people which is a very peaceful profession. physicians, doctors, never, ever have the idea to take the uniform, weapons in their hand, but now they're in the street and ready to fight. two days ago destroyed. one man around 60 years old, come to me and ask, what i have
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to do? what i have to do right now? i give him proposal into my safe zone. i don't want to leave my hometown. please, give me weapons. i want to defend my family, my lovely kyiv. instead these people and the spirit to defend our future. >> reporter: but they're up against a strong and better equipped foe as president biden moves to europe. the klitchko's messages gets tougher on putin. what do you need? >> it's strong and it's stronger than any army and any weapon.
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need to close our sky. it's continuing. the fight is still going on. we need supply of the defense weapons. you guys just need to stop any economical relationships with russia. this way, we will isolate him, make him weaker and just show that international law cannot be broken. oil. obviously the world needs oil and gas, but it's better to pay higher price than to pay with lives for that oil. >> reporter: so you guys obviously, you want a no fly zone, i gather, and aircraft and
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anti-aircraft systems to beat the russians in the skies, is that right? >> if you supply us with defensive weapons, we'll close the eyes our own. we have enough men and women that will defend it. we're going to close the sky on our own, we just need the defensive equipment for that. >> klitschko knows joe biden very well. they met in kyiv when he was the u.s. front man. >> what's your message to joe biden? >> stay with ukraine, with our friends. it's our freedom. we need support. >> the klitschkos are national celebrities. they say for them there is no other place they want to be than
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in kyiv despite the dangers. >> reporter: you're some of the prime targets for the russians, you know? they're out to get you. why do you do it? what motivates you? >> it's our homeland. we grew up. it's our country. it's our home. and simple answer. we have to be here. >> do you know this expression of roots? our roots are here. our father that was one of the chernobyl survivors. they buried him in kyiv. he's ukrainian. our relatives, our friends. every single street reminds us on some memories in life and that's something that gives you so much strength because the
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truth is on our side. this is pretty much reminds me like in a fairy tale, the fight between the good and the evil. >> reporter: it's so fascinating to see them how they have risen up to this challenge. >> reporter: yeah, it really is. i was going to say, they are really first of all two remarkable guys and the way they've stepped up in a short period of time. i was watching them operate a little bit with some of their staff, with some of the people around them. they've taken charge of the situation. in this situation it's so difficult, anderson, for the people here in the city. they comfort the people. they give them strength and they really also tell them, you know, they are going to go on and they are going to be able to febd the russians off. the klitschkos, too, they have become more confident of that especially since the ukrainian army is making more gains. >> i appreciate it. thank you. be careful. next to brussels. phil mattingly traveling with
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the president. what more is the president saying about what the u.s. and nato are preparing to do? >> reporter: the scale is significant. it largely matches up with the elements of the sanctions regime, the humanitarian aid we've seen rolled out over the course of the last couple weeks. they are continuing to ramp it up. it's the point the president is making so long as president putin continues the invasion and horrific attacks they've seen over the course of the last month, the u.s. and allies will continue to ramp up sanctions. more than 400 new individual sanctions were applied today. the u.s. and european allies, another attack on the central bank and the ruble which is pricing out at less than 1 cent for every dollar. the overall effort has not changed the dynamic, anderson. that's the complication here. something they're trying to grapple with.
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it's raised concern about what president putin may do next. three different summits over 12 hours, the potential for chemical attacks. preparation from the u.s. side, the nato side as well. there's no near term imminent sign anything is coming. it's palpable and real. >> is it clear how the president thinks the current sacks are working on russia? >> reporter: i think that the president and his top advisers believe it's working as it's designed to and perhaps better. it's certainly more significant, more impactful than they probably thought it was going to be in the weeks leading up to the invasion. i think that underscores both the unity with the u.s., more than 30 partners over the course of four continents, what they've been able to put in place. if you look at the gdp expected to contract by 15%. inflation expected to spike by 15%. the ruble, more than 400 private
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companies that have left russia. you're seeing younger people in russia leave by the thousands, if not hundreds of thousands. all of that shows they are having a dramatic effect and they have not shifted president putin's calculation. that's the concern. they know it didn't deter. will it actually shift the calculation? one thing to keep an eye on, anderson, the way they're designed to very critical technology to major industrial sectors, over time the bite will get more dramatic. i think u.s. officials know, they expect this to be a long-term crisis, a long-term battle. the sanctions will only have a hare mucher effect and they've also acknowledged they will continue to ramp up those which will continue to take a major chunk out of vladimir putin's economy. one woman's story and how she and her family finally made it out of mariupol and all they endured in the siege.
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it is hard even with nearly ubiquitous, sometimes real time video conveying in human terms the war in russia. this is what remains of an apartment building in mayriupol. so much of the city looks like that. you can see through the skeleton of that building. this woman decided it was time to flee. some video of what their living arrange wrmts up to that point. no heat or running water. they took shelter from the strikes.
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>> tonight they're safe, most of them. i spoke to her just before air time. julia, thanks for talking to us. what was it like when the bombing began in mariupol? >> it was -- for the first few days we didn't realize how bad it was. i didn't realize because it was far away. it was in another part of the city. and for that moment i thought my district was safe, but later they came there and they surrounded the city. so my district, which is also a
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city, it was pretty much damaged. >> i understand there was a direct hit near your building on i think it was march 12th? >> yes, it was march 12th and there was a direct hit on my building and today i even got to see a video of my house, how it looks now. not my video but someone and it is burned down so badly, like nothing is left. >> where was your apartment? >> my apartment was on the second floor which is you have to run very quickly but it's adventurous when there are street fights but we left before. >> how long were you living without heat, without hot water in that apartment? we have some video of you and your family in the apartment. >> yes. it was since the 2nd of march. on the 2nd of march they turned
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off everything but gas and they turned off gas a few days later. >> it looks -- i mean, it must have been just miserable. it is freezing cold at this time of year. >> yeah, it was minus 7 on the streets mine was from 5 to 7 degrees. we had to sleep in our jackets and we had like five sweaters and t-shirts on and we slept under all the blankets we had but i was cold anyway. >> can you talk a little bit about what it's like to be living in a place that is being repeatedly bombed and which is clearly just being bombed to total destruction, to be on the receiving end of that, to not know where the next shell is going to land, how do you cope with that? >> i actually couldn't cope with that anyway because i couldn't see my friends, i couldn't talk to them. i could only talk to my family
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and it's a feeling of helplessness and it's the feelings that you don't know when it ends. because when you hear news, you can have ups and downs. and when you didn't have anything but the sound of bombing you only have downs and you're only feeling more and more miserable. you know that nowhere is safe. >> in mariupol we've seen images of people being buried in mass graves, people -- there's reports of neighbors burying neighbors in their backyards because there's nowhere else to put them. what did you do for water? >> water was the main question actually. there was melted snow. we melted snow for -- we did it a few times but we don't have much snow in mariupol. when we didn't have snow we used the water from the -- like
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running water that we had saved because we had saved a whole bunch and bottles. and the thing is that our water, running water, isn't that good to drink so it had this -- not very good taste and this can damage your house -- health if you drink it too long. and melted snow was quite okay. there was also heat in the pipe with heated water near our house but you couldn't drink this water. we got some of this water to flush the toilet and to wash the floors. >> you've made it now to berlin. what happens now? >> i'll find a school where i can graduate and pass the exams and so on.
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i want to come back to ukraine but if nothing change, i will try to get higher education here. i try to continue working. i work as private teacher for kids, german language, so i try to keep up. >> i know your mom is with you. have you heard from your stepfather and grandparents? >> my stepfather is in western ukraine now with my dogs. they are doing okay. i got fresh news from my grandparents today. they've been evacuated to donetsk. their flat has also burned. there was a fire and i saw video of their house and it's really, really bad. it has burned from the first floor so they're alive and we've
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seen some things, not many. they're in donetsk and they're deciding what should they do next. >> julia, i'm so sorry for what is happening to your country, but to you and your family. i wish you the best. >> thank you. >> nato may be more united than ever. the show in brussels underscored that. that isn't stopping the bombs from dropping in ukraine tonight. ahead how david petraeus thinks this conflict could possibly end. [ awada ] the health of our teeth plays a significant t roe in our overall heaealth. chantell was suffering, and we had to put an end to that. the absolulute best way to do tt was through dental implants. [ chantell ] clearchoice dental implants changed everything. my digestive health is much better now. i feel more energetic. the person that i've always been has shown up to the party again.
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back now to dramatic new video in the fight of capitol kyiv. heavy rocket attack by russian forces. drone footage geo located by cnn shows widespread devastation. fires raging. meanwhile, ukrainian forces appear to have retaken area east of the capitol. some captured russian armor in the small settlement of lukenevkova. the occupiers have left behind the tanks, we'll take the guns. exactly a month world leaders are formulating plans on how to respond to russia's next moves
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and putting an end to this. insight on how it may end if it can end by retired army four star general david petraeus. general petraeus, thank you for joining us. what do you think is the most important thing to come out of this nato summit, and particularly what do you think the u.s. and nato will do to try to reinforce its nato borders? >> i think there are a number of take aways, anderson. important one is that the nato secretary general has been extended for a year. stoltenberg has been a terrific leader of nato. it's great to see he'll stay at the helm of that rather than going to his country's central bank. the additional sanctions that were announced, these are very important because it keeps tightening the noose on moscow, on the financial system, the economy, the oligarchs around
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putin and so forth. and then the commitment to the battlefield to provide additional arms, ammunition, weapons systems and even humanitarian assistance and economic support. all of that, i think, if you put it all together is very important. particularly the piece on the battlefield and moscow, it starts to perhaps show a way that there could be the kind of pressure on putin that could lead him to accept a negotiated outcome that includes some conditions he would not have agreed to prior to the invasion. >> do you have a sense of how this conflict in ukraine ends? is it -- given the successes ukrainian forces have had and the stalled offenses around kyiv, maybe kharkiv, how does this come to an end? >> well, i think the combined pressure, and that's what's really crucial here, anderson, i think if the ukrainians can really demonstrate that the russians not only can't achieve
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their battlefield objectives, they're not going to take advantage of kyiv, replace president zelenskyy with a pro russian figure, they're not going to achieve most of their other objectives. we'll talk about that in a moment. that's where the situation is most fraught for the ukrainians. if they can continue the counter attacks, be augmented with more air defense systems that reach above the altitude of the range of the stinger missile systems and it only goes up to 10,000 feet or so, if they can get more switch blade drones, silent but deadly kamikaze mission, if all of that can be brought together, there can be a realization in moscow this is not going. not only are we walted, we're showing incredible inability to logistically replace losses and
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so forth, then of course the pressure that's taking place in moscow and finally perhaps there will be enough pressure on putin to realize he can't tough this out and he just destroys enough of ukraine that finally he can achieve the objectives. that's perhaps. again, there's an awful lot of ifs there. one of those i should address is the tightening noose around mariupol, the port city in the southeast where the russians are approaching the city center but the ukrainians are literally fighting to the last soldier and making it very, very costly. it's not still certain that the russians will, indeed, be able to take that over although it appears pretty doomed given that they're not just running out of water, power, food, ammunition. >> ukraine used a ballistic missile to sink a ship. the fight in the south for russians is particularly
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critical. in the event that there is some sort of negotiated settlement, they would want to clearly try to control as much land as they can, have a land bridge from crimea? >> that's correct. mariupol is what stands in the way of that, of course. again, the reason these ships were -- they were docked at a ukrainian port. it is controlled by the russians and very close to mariupol. vulnerable from the shore that the ukrainians could achieve. it highlights they're trying to get supplies in there and it's very, very difficult for them to do that. but the south is the place where they have had a modicum of success, although they've been blocked completely from getting to odessa, just halfway there. extraordinary defense of the city mikolaiv. it's really around mariupol that they have achieved success and will want to retain it. at some point it will be
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important for the ukrainians to react to that if they can noting that if mariupol falls, russian forces will be freed up. they could conduct operations against ukrainian forces who are focused on other areas. >> if you are a russian general or russian commander and you cannot occupy kyiv, you cannot occupy the cities that you want except perhaps in the south and you can't occupy kyiv if you can't decapitate the leadership, what do you do? do you just bomb it to smithereens? >> sadly you have to back off. you do what they have done, which must be just extraordinarily difficult for them, which is to acknowledge the ukrainians are better than they are, even though they don't have many of the benefits the russians have, and that they have fought them to a standstill and they're counter attacking and all you have left are bombs,
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missiles, rockets. even the artillery is being pushed out of range for kyiv and one of the reasons why they're so important. so you just keep bombing them and the hope presumably must be the high command that at some point zelenskyy will buckle and they'll put together some compromise that they can hold out as a real success. that doesn't appear to be the case to me. my sense is that he is unbelievably determined and he's led them brilliantly, inspired them. set a wonderful example, provided energy. they are completely committed to this fight. by the way, he's also wisely put forward that when he does reach the agreement he's going to submit it to the people for referendum so they have buy in on this. so i think the hope has to be that, again, in moscow there's a realization this could get even worse, they could be defeated in parts of the battlefield if not all of it, and that perhaps the
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time to cut a deal is now before the rest of their economy is destroyed noting that, of course, yes, they are unbelievably blessed when it comes to gas, oil, coal and they'll continue to generate revenue from that. >> general david petraeus, i appreciate it. >> just ahead, the exclusive story of how one man tried to sink a luxury yacht of a russisn oligarch. his story nextxt. free yearly y eye exams, designgner frames and prescription lenses. take advantage now. wow! stuff. we love stuff. and there's some really great stuff out there. but i doubt that any of us will look back on our lives anthink, "i wish i'd bought an even thinner tv, or had an even smarter smartphone."
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more mystery surrounding $700 million super yacht that could be owned by vladimir putin. the ship's russian crew left the italian town where the yacht is docked a couple of weeks ago. earlier this week researchers working for alexey navalny argued a dozen of the crew worked or had a connection to russia's federal protection services. that's just one of many yachts brought under scrutiny. mr. griffin discovered one was nearly sunk because a ukrainian is fighting for his country. >> a 55-year-old nautical engineer said he spent the last
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ten years on an aging luxury yacht. >> we had a crew of nine people including a chef and a waiter. >> reporter: he said the yacht's current owner and only user is a sanctioned putin oligarch and a ceo of a major russian company that sells munitions, everything from weapons to aircraft. they went from cruising in oligarch luxury to a bunker in ukraine. our interview just began, stopped by an alert of an incoming russian attack. >> okay. sorry. bye-bye. his life changed in late february when the yacht was docked in spain and russia invaded his home country. >> welcome back. nice to meet you again. >> so good to see you, my friend. >> reporter: safe once again. he explained he was spurred to
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action when he saw this image of a russian military strike in an apartment building in his hometown of kyiv. >> my war has started. yes. >> reporter: at that moment he knew he had to do something to retaliate. sink the lady anastasia. >> translator: water began to fill up the engine room and the crew space. after that there were three members left on board. i announced the boat was sinking and they should leave the ship. i did this on my own. >> reporter: the other crew members, also ukrainian, didn't want to risk their jobs. they sounded the alarm. he was arrested and the anna stash yeah saved ahe returned t ukraine where he picked up arms and joined the military. >> translator: now a war has begun, a total war between russia and ukraine. you have to choose. either you are with ukraine or not. you have to choose. will there be ukraine or will you have a job?
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i made a choice. i don't need a job if i don't have ukraine. >> reporter: back in spain, spain's ministry of transport has agreed to the provisional transport of the yacht while it confirms its real ownership and finds out if it belongs to sanctions and can be seized. it's frozen in european ports in an effort to provide pressure. others working for oligarchs around the world should expose them and their assets. his efforts to make the profit tears pay for what they are doing. >> translator: i think what i did is absolutely 100% correct. i tried to sink the boat as a political protest of russian aggression because its owner is connected to the production of russian weapons. they should be held responsible because it is they who with their behavior, their lifestyle,
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their unquenchable greed, they led precisely to this. in order to distract the people, they arranged diversionary wars with other countries that are innocent. >> is there any message that you would like the people of the united states to know right now? >> send guns to ukraine please. we must stop it, this war. we must win. >> and drew griffin joins us now. what does he say about being back in ukraine and fighting? >> reporter: anderson, he has no doubt the military equipment made by that defense firm tied to his boss is killing civilians in ukraine where he is. that's why he did what he did and that's why he went back there and joined the fight. as for the yacht and the ownership, they sent us a terse
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message. >> drew griffin, appreciate it. dozens of injured children, babies from war torn areas across ukraine are being treated in this rugged hospital in zaporizhzhia. it's fortified with sand bags with a constant sound of air raid sirens. oftentimes children's treatment has to be stopped. he's going to bring us the record. strypaper? luckily, there's biotrue hydration boost t eye drops. biotrue uses naturally inspired ingredients. and no prereservatives. try biotrue! allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase dly stops your body from overreacting to allergs all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good.
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fled. ivan watson visited the hospital today and joins me now. ivan, you got to speak with not only some of the patients but also doctors who are working there. can you just talk a little bit about what your visit was like? >> reporter: yeah, it's pretty surreal because it is a children's hospital and it's been fortified all around it and around all those ground level windows with sandbags, piles of sandbags around a children's hospital. and while we were visiting, an air raid siren went off, and we were brought down to the basement. and i watched a parade of nurses and mothers bringing in newborns into this basement room full of cots that's been used as a makeshift bomb shelter, as well as other children. and talked to some of the nurses who said this basically happens six to seven times a day, at night too, where they have to kind of all troop down there
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with babies two weeks old. i spoke with an anesthesiologist who is helping take care of these little children. listen to what he had to say. >> sometime it's not long time but we can't get oxygen for children, for newborns, during transportation from bottom to up. i worry all the time because it's normal. >> and i should add that the newborns are babies that have medical complications after birth, and that's why they're in the hospital in the first place. you just try to imagine these types of conditions, and this city is not on the front line. but this is a reality that affects even little two-week-old babies. >> yeah, i mean, we showed photos from two children from the hospital zaporizhzhia earlier in the program.
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to me it's just so emblematic of what is happening there. you see these little kids in beds, you know, hooked up to machines and tubes and things helping them breathe, and these windows are completely sandbagged. it's just -- it's so horrific. i understand you actually got a chance to speak with both of these children. >> reporter: i did, and i can report that they are recovering. the doctors say that their conditions have improved. but the wounds that they've suffered are catastrophic and difficult even to just talk about. in particular, this 11-year-old girl, she was fleeing the port city of mariupol on the 16th of march with her mother and grandmother and sister and i think their cats. and they were in the back of some stranger's car and they
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went through a number of russian check points and came around a curve and came across, they say, some russian soldiers who opened fire on the car. and a bullet tore through this 11-year-old girl's face and neck to the point that her tongue is damaged. and she came very, very close to having her carotid artery severed. she is able to kind of walk now, and i woke to her. she's an incredible gymnast. she loves her cats named musha and busha, who have gotten to latvia with her older sister to be with her father. but she is gravely, gravely wounded. and the doctors say they've had nine children come into their hospital basically in the last two weeks with shrapnel wounds and bullet wounds. and it is just -- it is very, very difficult to see children this badly wounded to the point
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that some of these kids have needed amputations. >> and there is no end in sight. ivan watson, thank you. ukrainians are putting off a very tough fight, claiming they've destroyed the ship and russian controlled port. some cities are back under their control. i'll have a live report from kyiv next.
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