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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com some breaking news now about an american named tyler jacob who was taken by forces leaving ukraine. jacob, who is from minnesota, has been freed after ten days in captivity. it's a welcomed koda to what could be a pivotal day in the war, which was marked by a russian general today appearing to redefine his country's war aims in ukraine, as well as the assessment by the senior u.s. official the russian forces are stalled on the ground. for all the destruction russian forces have brought on ukraine,
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they've also paid a terrible price for it. ukraine's president zelenskyy had this to say about it tonight. >> translator: the number of russian casualties in this war has already exceeded 16,000 killed. among them are senior there have not been reports about killed russian colonels, generals, or admirals yet, but the commander of one of the occupying armies and deputy commander of the black sea fleet are already there. >> cnn cannot independently confirm that 16,000 figure, but as of yesterday, nato officials put the number anywhere from 7 to 15,000. many of them in fighting just outside kyiv where cnn's sam kylie joins us now. what's the latest from kyiv tonight? has there been any reaction to this claim by the top russian general that they're entering now phase two and are going to be focusing more on the
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south/southeast? >> reporter: well, it's the small hours of the morning. but don't expect too much of a reaction, anderson, to the latest line of propaganda coming out of moscow. those sorts of statements go back to the original intent, as outlined by vladimir putin, that this was a program of denaziification and an effort to demilitarize ukraine and return it to its neutral status. all of these justifications, so-called, for the war or outlining of the war aims taken with a bucket of salt here in ukraine. i think from the ukrainian perspective, what's most important to them is that they are now, certainly when it comes to the battle around kyiv, getting on the front foot. and they believe that they have held off successfully, the russians, to the west, northwest, and recently to the east, where we were earlier on yesterday, to try to force back this russian attempt to
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decapitate the administration, to overrun the capital. and that now looks like it's been held off until at least the russians can get more reinforcements or more weapons. and that, they're seeing here in kyiv, is something of a success, anderson. >> how much are people able at this point to move around? i mean, the -- you know, there has been reporting from you and others that ukrainian forces, it seems have pushed russian forces back past their artillery range. so, are things quieter in kyiv? >> reporter: things are quieter in kyiv, although we can hear the ferocious battles that have been going on over the last few days, if you like, sort of on the outer ring of the capital. but in terms of attacks on the capital, they are down. the attacks now are very much the long range cruise missile type weapons that are still absolutely devastating, whether they're ones that get shot down but the war head survives and
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lands, or whether they have been deliberately targeted. most recently in the north of the city, especially a shopping center was targeted, which the russians said was being used as a location for storing multiple rocket launching systems and other weapons. that's been attacked at least twice in the first instance certainly with a long-range ballistic missiles. but it is a pretty good battlefield indicator that the artillery that they would have been using and have been using against cities like kharkiv and mariupol have not been raining down in the volume that was feared a couple weeks ago. >> sam kylie, appreciate it. thank you. now we want to take a closer look at a russian military group that's believed to be operating inside ukraine, one with a dark history and allegedly this time with a singular mission. david mckenzie has more. >> reporter: a russian mercenary takes a selfie video in syria. it's a recruitment-style pitch.
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allegedly for the notorious group linked to the kremlin. a senior ukrainian defense officials tells us that wagner contractors were in the country and had a very specific mission. >> what is the objective, do you think, in ukraine right now? >> they want it to assassinate the leadership of ukraine, our president and prime minister. so, that was the goal. and a couple of groups, couple of people sent to ukraine without any success. >> translator: i am here. we are not putting down arms. >> reporter: the primary target he says, president volodymyr zelenskyy. ukraine's military says documentary evidence gathered by intelligence officials and special forces outlines their alleged mission. he says several wagner operatives have been eliminated,
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identified by their unique dog tags. cnn couldn't independently corroborate the account. >> we need to find all these people, and they need to go to the court. they absolutely illegal. >> reporter: wagner contractors surfaced in 2014, exposed by research groups and cnn investigations. their operations span the middle east and africa. u.s. officials accuse wagner of multiple human rights abuses in multiple countries. in this disturbing 2017 video, investigated by cnn, wagner mercenaries appear to be torturing and murdering a syrian man, as they make jokes. the kremlin said the incident had nothing to do with the russian military operations in syria, and they've repeatedly denied any links to wagner. u.s. officials say that wagner was started by this man, dmitry utkin, a veteran of the chech
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yan conflict, and backed by an oligarch so close to russia's leader, he's nicknamed "putin's chef." he deny nis involvement in wagner. >> they want blood. they want to fight. >> reporter: but this senior researcher at the center says wagner is putin's private army. we agreed to hide their identity for their safety. they've spent years investigating wagner's links to the kremlin. >> they operate without any law, without any rules. they can do whatever, any way whatever they want. then when there is a call to n.o.d. or there is a call to mr. putin in this particular country, the response will be, these are individuals. they have no link to the kremlin. >> translator: despite the invasion and new allegations of an assassination plot, ukraine's president says he isn't going
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anywhere. david mckenzie, cnn, london. >> as you saw at the top of the program, he hasn't. perspective now on that, the apparent shift in messaging at least from the russian side and the rest of the bigger picture. we're joined by james clapper, former director of national intelligence. what does it signal about putin's strategy in ukraine that the wagner group is so involved in this war? >> well, what it tells me is that this is devolved into an ad hoc -- ad hocking at this point -- bizarre news conference from the ministry of defense trying to sort of rationalize and explain the russian military predicament really in ukraine. so, the wagner group represents, you know, throwing some more cannon fodder into the fray in
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addition to reportedly syrians, czech yans, reinforcements from georgia, reinforcements from the far east, which all -- at least to me -- point to putin's and the russians' in kind of serious straits. and i think they had a plan initially, which was roll into ukraine and expect the ukrainians to roll over. and when they didn't, they're winging it now. >> i mean, it's extraordinary when you think that the leader of a country would have a -- you know, a group of mercenaries sort of off the books that he can use through various channels to assassinate people, to get involved in countries that he might -- you know, that he might not be able to send his military into. >> well, i think it speaks to
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putin's character and his kgb background. having a essentially lawless mercenary group, a private army responsible only to him, you know, to me it's consistent with his character and his behavior. >> the -- you know, i don't think it's fair to say even really a shift in russian strategy, the fact that they're framing this, as you said, as sort of trying to explain what's been going on as saying, oh, well, now we're entering phase two, and it's really about the cities in the southeast. and that's where the focus is going to be. fact is, they're bringing in troops from georgia to replenish the cannon need. it doesn't seem like they're really shifting in any way, any coherent way. >> well, again, anderson, i wouldn't read too much into this
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orwellian press conference. the russians are still active in other parts of ukraine. and they're still around kyiv. so, again, i think -- i think the earlier reporter said that, you know, you need to take what was said with a bucket of salt, which i think is good advice. i don't know what it reflects. it's hard to -- it's hard to know what the russian strategy is at this point. i'm not sure they have one. it just seems to me that they're -- as i said before, they're kind of winging it. >> putin drew a strange parallel between how western elites, quote, cancelled the author j.k. rowling and are now trying to cancel russia. did you ever imagine you would hear a leader of russia comparing himself to j.k. rowling and using the term "cancel culture"? i mean, it's really just bizarre. >> well, this, to me, just is
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another bizarre vignette of putin's behavior of late, which is very much, at least in my mind, out of character and inconsistent with the way he's been before. i mean, he's always been very tight lipped, buttoned down, almost machine-like, very terse. and now he's -- i don't want to use the word "unhinged," but it just seems bizarre to me. >> yeah. >> and that's -- it has its humorous aspect, but it's also kind of serious. you know, remember, this guy's got his finger on the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. >> yeah, with the pathetic sense of victimization is -- you know, it's just very telling. and obviously worrying. as you say, he's got a lot of power at his fingertips.
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director clapper -- i'm sorry, were you going to say something? oh, that's okay. i was just saying that it is. it's very worrying, considering the power he has at his fingertips. director clapper, appreciate it as always. coming up next, we'll talk to a retire marine who is back from training, training ordinary ukrainians to do the extraordinary, fighting to protect their country. [sound of helicopter blades] ugh... they found me. ♪ ♪
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i really appreciate it. it's not that -- it's not a singular thing. you know, we're watching the war break out. we're watching atrocities and just unbelievable action committed by russia. i was approached by the owner of the jiu jitsu gym i go to who said that you want to go to ukraine? i said, yes. there's a man from the gym, urie, who's ukrainian, is a naturalized citizen now, and hasn't been home since. we decided we're not going to let him go alone. >> and you came to -- you were training -- giving advice to a defense force? >> yeah, that's right. so, we linked up with the territorial defense force. at the time we were just calling them militias. we didn't know what the term for them was. but we just got on the ground and we decided we need to help
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somehow. went to local military units and spoke to who was in charge, asked how we can help, and they wanted to know how to better harden, defend their structures. and after we gave them a walk through on what we would do, where we would do it, how we can place sandbags, what would be a fall back position, things like that, we gained their trust, and we asked if they could train their militia. so, the next morning we started. >> i'm wondering who it was you were helping train. i spent some time with three veterans, one marine, two army vets, who were working with an auxiliary to a territorial defense in lviv. and, you know, it was people of all ages. it was men. it was women. it was, you know, 18, 19 year olds. >> right. >> and folks in their 60s. >> right, yeah. it was the same story. it was -- it was young kids, you
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know, early 20s, potentially younger. i don't know. we didn't ask exact ages. but definitely some young kids all the way up to men who were over 60. and if you know, men are not able to leave ukraine right now between the ages of 16 to 60. to have men volunteering to be on the defense force who could flee if they wanted to, it was very striking. what else was very impactful for me was we had a lot of people we were training who moved back to ukraine from other parts of europe and got to ukraine a couple weeks before the war because they wanted to help their country, where they grew up, their family, and ukraine. >> you know, most of the weapons that have gone are obviously going to the front, going to where they're needed most. so, for a lot of the -- it seems like at least where i was in lviv for the territorial defense forces and then kind of the volunteers on top of that who are -- want to be in the reserves to be called up for the territorial defense, they have to come up with their own
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weapons. and even for training, the ones i was with, you know, some of the -- like a local gun collector had given them a bunch of old weapons to just train with. they were using -- one of them had a tommy gun from the 1930s. what were the kind of supplies that your folks have? >> you know, so, we were more southwest, and all these weapons appeared to be issued. they were all newer condition, all the same ak-47s or ak-74s or aks. in that same vein of what you said, they want to practice with something. some had weapons. they had their hands up and bang bang. but one particular member brought a air soft gun, and we told him, hey, this is not a game. don't bring a toy. we're bringing for real. there's russians in your country right now. >> it's -- it's -- you know, it's always fascinating when -- and i think important when --
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people see something and they want to get involved and they actually get up and do it. zachary, it's really -- i appreciate talking to you and a remarkable thing you've done. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> you the same. i really appreciate you having me on. if you want to help donate to the cause we're doing, buying medical gear, tourniquets, and gear, they can go online and they can volunteer. thanks, anderson. >> appreciate it. coming up, president biden's message to u.s. troops and the message he's sending to the world with the announcement coming out of his european visit. that's next. ers offers investors a broader view. ♪ we see companieses protecting the bottom line by putting people first. we see a bright future, still hungry for the ingenuity of those ready for the next challenge. today, we are translating decades of experience into strategies for the road ahead.
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in just hours president biden will meet with ukrainian refugees in warsaw. later he'll deliver what the white house is calling a major speech, one taking aim at russia. today the president had pizza with the 82nd airborne serving in poland. he shared a story about his late son, beau, who served in the iraq war. >> thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. and you know, 1% of you represent the entire america -- i really mean it. thank you very, very much for all you do.
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couple times i was in baghdad, and i was looking for my son. and i'm going around, where is my son? i'm looking for him. i finally see him. beau, what's going on? beau biden. i go, colonel, major. and i said, what happened? he said, dad, he said, everybody thinks something is going on, so i'm hunter. s >> beyond the photo ops the president must continue to navigate his policy in concert with nato. the author of "joe biden: the life, the run, and what matters now" join us. when president biden met the members of the 82nd airborne, he framed it as a message about who
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was going to prevail, democracies versus autocracies, freedom versus tyranny. is that something he's talked about a lot before? >> yeah, this is an emerging, anderson, as a real theme of his presidency. it begins all the way with his inaugural address when he says we've been reminded democracy is fragile, democracy is precious. he was talking at the about january 6th. in the last four weeks this has really come into the global stage. he now see this is war in ukraine as an attack not only on the people of ukraine but on the concept of democracy, as a governing philosophy. he now talks about this as an inflection point in history that only comes around every three or four generations, by which he means a moment that the united states -- and he said it very explicitly now -- that the united states has to defend the free world. that is the frame in which he has come to understand much of his presidency. and i think we're going to hear more from that. >> the president gave a joint statement with the president of the european commission,
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establishing a task force to try to help europe cut its reliance on russian oil and gas, which is a pretty tall order. do you think that the president will get criticism for this, essentially facilitating the sale of oil and natural gas to europe and his party contradicting climate goals? >> well, his intention with his climate goals, you heard them trying today, straining a bit, to say we're going to try to find out ways to make this a green policy in the long run. this is potentially a big deal. from a strategic standpoint, the united states has been really concerned about the fact that continued oil and gas sales to europe has been replenishing the coffers that the russians have lost as a result of sanctions particularly on the central bank. i think one of the surprises has been that germany has said that with this joint deal they might be -- they actually might be able to reduce their dependency on russian oil to nothing by the end of the year and on russian gas they might be down to nothing by 2024. this is a big deal partly
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because it redraws the energy map, changes not only how they face. they face west now instead of facing east if this can be accomplished. it really does change the financing picture potentially for russia. >> we're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars every day that flow to russia from countries in europe for oil and natural gas. president biden also spoke with president duda about the humanitarian crisis out of ukraine. united states said they've agreed now to take in 100,000 ukrainian refugees. that's been a very slow process so far. do you expect that number to go up? >> well, i think in the meantime -- it may well go up partly because poland is -- and you can't overstate it anderson. poland is really bearing a tremendous brunt of this right now. and they are at the center of this in multiple ways. a lot of the weapons transfers that are going into ukraine are coming through poland. and obviously now they're absorbing these refugee flows. so, poland and the united states have this long and sort of in many ways rich history.
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a lot of americans don't even pay that much attention to. but right now poland is going to be in the center of this for a time to come, and i think there will be pressure on the united states to continue to try to relieve some of that pressure, partly by funding and giving aid but also potentially by taking in more refugees ourselves. >> it does seem in one of the things that president biden will, for legitimate reasons, be proud of is the unity that nato has shown. >> unity is the word that i think you can't overstate how important that is as a strategic concept. we sometimes talk about it as, well, maybe that just means that we're kind of lashed together for historical reasons. no, this is part of the reason why americans have -- why we've sort of come to understand that putin may have taken this step, because he thought that we were not unified. he could exploit those differences. and by holding together -- and it's really not just about holding together now, but holding together in two months, three months, six months, that's
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ultimately going to be the kind of bowl work that can change russian calculations. and that's what they're counting on and why you hear president biden returning to that question of unity over and over again. >> appreciate it. thanks. james clapper and i discussed earlier, vladimir putin takes a page from western politics with his complaint about cancel culture. we'll discuss where his head is next. but i doubt that any of us will look back on our lives and think, "i wish i'd bought an even thinner tv, found a lighter r light beer, or had an even smarter smartphone." do you think any of us will look back on our lives and regret the things we didn't buy? or the places we didn't go? ♪ i'd go the whole wide world ♪ ♪ i'd go the whole wide world ♪
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two developments today that suggest the pressure of russian forces vladimir putin are under more than one month into this war. as we mentioned earlier, a top russian general has talked about a phase two of the russian strategy, claiming that now they're going to be focusing more on the southeast. and that's really the region they care about. also vladimir putin comparing russia to harry potter author, j.k. rowling. he said the west is trying to cancel his country, the way the west has tried to cancel rowling over comments she has made. i'm joined by author of "winter is coming."
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gary, when you listen to vladimir putin speak, has he always spoken in these kind of rambling, long messages? talk about cancel culture? >> no, not at all. i have to say that putin spoke much more in the last couple of months than probably for his entire career as russian dictator. and his message has been changing. and i guess the latest speech, you know, came from a very different course. i think some are watching fox news. and you know, added these elements of the culture wars in the west. i don't think they were appropriate. but, again, putin has been desperately trying to find the right message to split western unity. you talked about his unity that both red him so much, and that was one of his miscalculations. and definitely the war is not going the way he wanted.
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so, he's looking for a way out ideologically. and instead of mumbling about mother russia and restoring russian greatness and the roots of orthodox church, he's now trying to change the language. but it doesn't. >> it's interesting. i haven't thought too much about it. but that makes total sense that he's trying to kind of use, i guess, conservative touch stones like the railing against cancel culture to divide people in the united states and people who might think, oh, yeah, well he's right about j.k. rowling or he's right about cancel culture. >> yes. but it's also if you look at the countries that still, you know, are not behind putin because, again, let's disregard comments like venezuela or iran. but the countries with, let's say, liberal democracies, like
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hungary, for instance, or a country that is sitting on the fence like brazil and india. the leaders in these countries, they are very open for this kind of language. and i think putin is desperately trying to boost some kind of support because russia has to find ways to go around sanctions. and as i said, some of the countries, big countries, they might be sympathetic to russian cause. if it's somehow connected to the topics that are relevant for them domestically. >> a nato official yesterday estimated 15,000 russian soldiers had been killed in ukraine. president zelenskyy today gave a 16,000 figure. whatever the actual number is, is it likely much higher than the thousand or so than russia have died. if it is 15,000, that's the total number of soviet russian troops who died in afghanistan during the entire course of the war there. i mean, 15,000 would be an extraordinary blow to russia.
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does that -- i mean, if those numbers continue, does that shape putin? i mean, does that -- does that matter to him? >> oh, no, he doesn't care about lives, but he does care about his popularity and dwindling support for him. if it's 12, 14, 13,000, you have to multiply this number by four or five. and it will tell you to add wounded. and probably many of them can die in hospitals in crimea or belarus. so, the losses on the russian army are absolutely staggered. and that's why all of a sudden we have a general, a deputy, who talked about the change of the strategic goals. it was not putin who disappeared last couple of weeks, minister of defense, not give us the head of the joint chiefs. but a general, colonel general, who talked about russia's goals
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to be limited to the southeast. i think it's practical recognition of the fact that russia can no longer aim at conquering ukraine, taking kyiv. and they're trying to cancel the games and somehow force ukraine not into submission but into negotiations on favored terms. probably it is a sign that there is a dramatic split within putin's inner circle, the war council, and more reasonable voices are now taking over. but, again, it's suggestion. i think at the end of the day, putin will never -- will never -- cease to be ahead of destroying ukraine as a sovereign state. >> what do you think the u.s. and nato should be doing now to continue? >> look, i think it's important to show political will and resolve. and that's why i think the meeting was very important.
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of course i would wish president biden meeting ukraine refugees in lviv across the border, not in warsaw. but i have to understand it's a matter of national security. but it's important to make sure that ukraine will see all the weapons it needs to win the war. i think defeating russian armies in ukraine should be the goal not only for ukraine but for nato, for the united states, because that's the way to deliver the deadly blow to putin's dictatorship. because as long as putin stays in kremlin, there will be no peace. even if he now gets some sort of ceasefire, for putin it is low, and that's why making sure his war machine will be destroyed once and for all, it's paramount for world peace. and that's why keeping sanctions, isolating russia, and making sure that no countries will have an appetite to help putin to get out of this trap, it's absolutely crucial now.
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according to the white house, president biden is set to meet with refugees in poland. the u.n. says more than 3.7 million people have fled ukraine, with the majority of them escaping to poland. ed lavandera joins us from the ukrainian border. it's been a month, ed. are you still seeing high numbers crossing into poland, or have they declined? >> reporter: yeah, if you're at the train station here, we are -- this is kind of indicative of what we've seen for several weeks now is the
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trains pushing further into europe tend to take off this time of night here in poland. so, we're still seeing that. if you're at the border check points and the incoming trains, the flow of refugees has slowed down a little bit, but it is still steady. and anderson, one about a week ago people would tell us it took about two days to reach this point. but now we're hearing it's taking some families four or five days especially from eastern ukraine where they're navigating dangerous conditions on the roadways, bridges blown out, russian forces essentially picking civilians off of the road. check points and curfews they've had to deal with. and because of that it's taking these refugees a lot longer to get here to poland. >> president biden is going to be meeting with refugees tomorrow. have you heard much about that? >> reporter: there hasn't been much release, but the president tomorrow afternoon is expected
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to meet with refugees at the national stadium there in warsaw. and many of the people you sue here will end up in warsaw. and that is a place that has taken in thousands and thousands of refugees. he's expected to meet with refugee families there as well as meeting with the mayor of warsaw, and also meeting with aid organizations that have been so instrumental in trying to ease the burden on these refugees, providing food and shelter and coordinating travel and that sort of thing. so that is expected to take place tomorrow afternoon in warsaw, which will be early saturday morning back in the united states. >> ed lavandera, appreciate you being there there. thank you so much. ukrainians are not letting up in the fight to re-claim their country. it's taking a toll on troops on both sides of the battle. here's cnn international correspondent sam kylie. >> reporter: russian armor smashed in the ukrainian assault east of the capital. ukraine now claims to have blocked russia's offensive
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against kyiv. he said we've been engaged in a counter attack to recapture. the operation has been a complete success. we decisively repelled the enemy. at times it's been a ferocious infantry fight, and it's taken several weeks. ukraine has also relied heavily on modern drones here ambushing from the air. ukraine has claimed badly led russian forces do have more man power but they are reeling under unexpected attacks and lack of supplies. what they say may be true. according to zena who's tending to her wounded husband in the nearby hospital. her village was overrun by russians and she described dealing with russian soldiers who were hungry, cold and out of control. she said they wore my women's
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hat, my coat, my boots, they wore my clothes. they took our bedding. i don't know what they did with it. they slept, they ate, they wandered about, they stole our money. >> reporter: a russian soldier who she said was drunk blasted her husband's leg off with a stolen shotgun. so then we were two days in the basement, she said. we started stopping the blood flow and giving first aid. we've got two medics. i'm a midwife and there was a nurse with us. she said the two russian officers later admitted they didn't support putin's invasion. and others helped her evacuate her husband to ukrainian lines. maxim, a professional ukrainian soldier was shot in the shin during a fire fight a few miles from the hospital. he shares zena's contempt for russian forces. their commanders are sending their soldiers to the slaughter, he said. these bastards, they're just sent to their deaths.
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the officers don't pit thaem. they don't even count their losses. civilians here do. arrived at a hospital when we were there, and he'd been helping his brother a beekeeper attend his hives when russian shells fell among them three hours earlier. mortally wounded he was dead on arrival. he leaves a wife and three kids. he said these aren't people, they aren't even animals. i don't know what to call them. sam kylie, cnn. >> well, for more how you can help the humanitarian efforts in ukraine go to cnn.com/impact. coming up next a musician who refuses to be silenced as the war grows closer. migraine attacks? you can't always avoid triggers like changes in weather. qulipta™ can help prevent migraine attacks. you can't prevent what's going on n outside, that's why qulipta™ helps what's going on insidede.
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composer hans zimmer was so moved he played the video you just saw at his london concert this week. stay with cnn from the latest from ukraine. the news continues. want to turn things over to don lemon tonight. don? >> anderson, i've been glued to your program especially watching your conversations on vladimir putin and this absurd attempt to try to connect what he is doing to ukraine or with how the world begins to cancel culture. it is just bizarre, and anyone who claims cancel culture should probably take a look at that because they may not want to do it anymore considering someone like putin is now claiming that in this ungodly war against ukraine. >> yeah, it certainly seems a bizarre turn for the leader of a warring nation right now to be talking about j.k. rowling, i don't know. >> but here we are. anderson, have a good weekend. i'll see you soon. take care. this is don lemon tonight and i am here in
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