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the international space station, and look what they're wearing. the colors of the ukrainian flag. one of them merely said, we had a lot of yellow material, so we had to use it. they couldn't be open about what they were doing, yet that picture, as we say, said it all. incredibly powerful. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. >> good evening. air ride sirens have been going off tonight in kyiv. they stand in contrast to russia's announcement after peace talks earlier today it would quote drastically reduce military activity around the city, and in chur nieve as well. tonight, there were the sirens followed by artillery and rocket fire. here's how ukraine's president framed this. >> translator: the signals that we hear from the negotiating platform can be called positive, but these signals don't drown out the explosions of russian bombs. the enemy is still in our
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territory. they carry on shelling in our cities. mariupol is besieged. rocket and air attacks are not stopping. >> at the pentagon, a similar assessment coupled with aurn waing that even a pullback from kyiv doesn't mean those troops won't soon be fighting elsewhere or this was russia's final visit to the city. >> has there been some movement? by some russian units away from kyiv in the last day or so? yeah. we think so. small numbers. but we believe that this is a repositioning, not a real withdrawal. and that we all should be prepared to watch for a major offensive against other areas of ukraine. it does not mean that the threat to kyiv is over. >> this move or perhaps just the announcement of some move follows a day of peace talks that appeared to yield some measure of progress. it also comes as ukrainian forces have been taking back russian held territory northwest and east of the capital and elsewhere in the country.
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in a moanment we'll talk to ben wedeman and kaitlan collins, but we begin with christiane amanpour live in kyiv. air raid sirens, artillery, rocket fire, do not signal drastically reduced military activity. what's happening in kyiv today? >> well, exactly, and all night we have been hearing air raid sirens, and as you describe, the thing is the russians today made all these statements, but they also said that what we're doing does not amount to a cease-fire. and clearly, that has been proven to be the case on the ground. on the other hand, we have been seeing and we have been reporting for the last several days, and the pentagon has been confirming that there has been a complete stall by russian forces who are attempting to take this city or at least encircle it as we were saying, for the last 33 odd days of this war. so they're not doing well at all in their ground force and in their ground operations.
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and so it seems that that is what they're trying to say in russia, that from certain areas they will whatever you want to call it, and redirect to eastern ukraine, which they have talked about. that's what they say they want, which obviously is where they already occupy at least parts of it, and presumably they want it connected with the south which is why they're bombing the heck out of mariupol, 160,000 people still there, so many people under so much stress, and without any kind of humanitarian aid. so we wait to see. there have been some positive signals. there's no doubt that what happened in istanbul is potentially the most positive, at least by both sides' account, since these talks began. >> for weeks though, we have been hearing occasional positive statements from president zelenskyy about there may be some movement in talks. how realistic do you think these talks are between russia and ukraine? because there are certainly major challenges still to work out. >> there are huge challenges,
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anderson. the russians have stepped back from their maximalist goals, at least those they stated in the beginning. and frankly, those that they stated up until the last several days. the facts on the ground speak for themselves. and in a way, the russian, you know, the kremlin and politicians are saying certain things like, you know, they don't talk about denazification anymore or even demilitarization, by the way, because that's not going their way here. they do say that they want territory in the east and obviously crimea. on the other hand, president zelenskyy has said that we agree to be neutral, we agree to be nonnuclear, but we want international guarantees if we're going to do that. and that, of course, is going to be very difficult because it means a kind of article 5 situation. even if it's not nato, per se, guaranteeing their security, it could be any number of those kinds of countries and others. but what it would mean is that those countries would have to
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defend ukraine in a way that they're not doing now should they be faced with a similar kind of invasion or war. and that's going to be tough to work out. >> christiane amanpour, appreciate it. much more now on this moment, what it's like in parts of ukraine that are no longer in russian hands and why neither the liberated or the liberators are resting any easier right now. ben wedeman has more. >> the blasted burnt out hulks of russia's might lie on a road outside. war rumbles in the distance. lieutenant colonel doubts peace or even a pause is at hand. russia, he says, put such a huge effort into invading ukrainian territory. it's hard to imagine it will leave so easily. as fighting raged on the road just a few minutes' drive from here, were civilians, many of them huddling in their cellars
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for protection. scared of the fighting but terrified of the danger if they tried to flee. this house in the nearby village took a direct hit. bombardment is less frequent now. it's just calm enough for 72-year-old natalia to pack up and go. it's impossible to tolerate this anymore, she says. i'm already an old woman. a neighbor will drive her to nearby nick olev. shrapnel shattered his window. i'm not afraid to die, says natalia, but i'm just not ready. i haven't gone to confession yet. in an adjacent town, uba shows me the potato cellar she hid in for days. it's cold here, she says. there was no electricity for two
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weeks. as fate would have it, she did well to stay down there. one day, a rocket landed in her back yard. tongue in cheek, she told us the russians left a gift for her. a gift that keeps on ticking. all right, we have to leave this spot because this rocket has not exploded. many of the villages near the front have been largely abandoned. only the most stubborn stay behind. >> ben joins us along with kaitlan collins. what more did you see in the neighborhoods today? are there any signs of de-escalation? >> no, actually, what we saw, anderson, was a lot of outgoing fire from ukrainian positions. and very little in the way of return fire from the russians. i mean, what is blaringly clear is that the ukrainian forces
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have been able to make a significant push toward the town of kherson, which is actually occupied. the only major city occupied by the russians in ukraine. so it's clear the ukrainians are making progress, but having said that, this evening we heard some massive bombardments on the outside of this city, so the preferred tool of the russians, it appears, is rather than engaging with ground forces, where they have not performed well under -- against the small ukrainian army, but it's things like long range missiles and artillery that they continue to use with deadly effect. >> yeah. do president biden and the administration share the same skepticism as president zelenskyy when it comes to what moscow is claiming in terms of troop movements? >> absolutely. they're not even just tip toeing around it, saying maybe they are doing this. let's wait and see.
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they're being very blunt, anderson, in their skepticism of what russia is actually doing here. and they say, yeah, maybe they're moving around a few small forces, which is what the pentagon acknowledged today. but they think really that just amounts to a repositioning. not a real withdrawal on their part. and instead, anderson, they're warning russia could be preparing to conduct another major offensive. so they're telling people to be prepared for that, and saying just because putin couldn't take kyiv when he wanted to doesn't mean there isn't a threat to kyiv any longer. they're offering that warning pretty bluntly tonight. >> ben, there was also a strike today on an administrative building that killed at least 12 people. obviously, if moscow is planning on occupying a town like that, striking at the administrative building is going to make any kind of actual administration, if they are actually planning on administrative services in a city, much more difficult. >> i don't think, anderson,
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their concern is administering or giving these cities. what have seen in the cities they have taken over is they have imposed what seems like an almost stalinist regime of rounding up journalists and any others who might pose any problems, and therefore, yes, the strike on the administrative building was a shock because i haven't seen anything like that since shock and awe in baghdad back in 2003. a massive hole in this building, the strike took place at 8:45 this morning local time. as you said, 12 people dead, 33 people wounded. the governor himself was supposed to be in the office. but he slept late, and so he wasn't there. but what we did see, and it's important to keep in mind where this building is located. it's the middle of the city. it's about a little over a mile from where we are right here,
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and many of the buildings around the administrative headquarters for the province were shattered. and so this is a city that people were beginning to think with the gradual pushing back of russian forces that life was going to somehow settle down. the strike today showed them that may not be the case. anderson. >> certainly shows the true nature of the russian agenda. >> is there anyone inside of the administration who thinks the pred's comments over the weekend that putin couldn't remain in power is behind some of these new claims by the kremlin? >> not really. they have kind of just tried to move past that after the president came out yesterday and clarified what he meant, saying he wasn't stating any kind of new policy, saying instead he was just speaking his own personal feelings about what he thinks should be the case in russia and he was appealing to the russian people. they don't think this has affected putin's calculus at
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all. it's been interesting because they have at times talked about this notion and this challenge really of confronting putin without provoking him. and that was something that a lot of russia experts raised about that question. but today, you know, they're really focused on what russia is actually doing when it comes to forces on the ground, so the president spoke to the leaders of france, germany, italy, and the united kingdom about this. president biden told us he reached this consensus with them, where they just want to wait and see what it is that russia does, but in the meantime, they're keeping the sanctions in place. they're going to continue sending that military assistance to ukraine. and that's a notable statement given, of course, right after president biden spoke with those leaders, the french president was getting on the phone with president putin. so that's kind of been this wheel of how they're dealing with him, how they're talking to him, and waiting to see what it is he actually does, but they don't seem prepared to change their posture when it comes to sanctions or sending equipment to ukraine until something changed. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. >> up next, what today's mixed messages about kyiv mean to a
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mom sheltering with three kids while her husband is fighting in that city. we'll check in with alena, who we have been talking to throughout this invasion. >> later, it makes richard nixon's infamous 18-minute gap in the watergate tapes look like a blip. what a reported seven-hour and 37-minute gap in the white house phone logs on the day of the insurrection could possibly mean. especially when we know the former president was taking calls. bob woodward and carl bernstein join us tonight. so you can “br”. [impressed] brbroooooo. broooooo!!!! broooo!!!! broooo!!!! [in unison] brooooooooo!!!!! [splash] [disappointed] broooo... good thing you saved on the trip! priceline. every trip is a big deal.
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regularly since early in the invasion with a mom in kyiv and her three young children. alena is her name. her oldest child is 7. her youngest just turned 5 months old. their father volunteered to defend kyiv and they have been sheltering in a basement since the invasion began. we talked to alena before air time. how are you and your kids doing? >> i don't know, we're kind of
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fine. that means we are alive. but it's not fine that it is fine where we are right now. because it's sthil war and we still are under the threat and under the danger, and it's not fine. it can never be fine. >> have you heard anything outside from the streets today? >> more explosions, we hear the noise of these every day, every night. hard to say where is it coming from. the last few days, looks like this was more on the ground. we are very close to the border of kyiv, and it looks like we hear the fighting in irpin, which was liberated recently by ukrainian forces. so we heard this fighting between the ukrainians and the russians. >> i know that that your son turned 5 months old and you had
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a scelebration, a cake. how was that? >> that was nice. we were happy. yeah, he turned five months recently, and we even bought a cake. that was funny how we were buying the cake, we went outside. we went to a small shop where we knew we could find the cake, then we heard very loud explosions, and we ran back to the shelter very fast. so the cake and the bread that was everything. >> you also mentioned in one our your videos, your husband came to visit in the basement. how was that? >> yes, my husband visited us again about one hour he spent with us in the shelter. all this time, children were playing with him. he looked very tired. he had very red eyes. and irina did not recognize him. she started crying. you know, that was heartbreaking
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because he always participated in life of our children. all three times, he was giving birth together with me, all three times. and he was always very much, you know, engaged father. he was even staying on paternity leave basically when i have been working as a tour guide in chernobyl, it was him who stayed with the children for two years approximately. and now this time, the thing that his child did not recognize him, that was heartbreaking. >> so hard for him, too, to realize that. >> of course, of course. he asked me to show her a photograph from time to time, for her not to forget her father. >> does he tell you how he really is doing, or does he try to keep things upbeat? >> well, he is such a character. he always said he's okay.
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this time, he says i'm fine. i'm okay. i don't need anything. and he kept joking about some things. i know that he will be fine. and even if he's not fine, he will say he's fine. yeah. >> you -- i saw in a video, you were wearing traditional ukrainian embroidered clothing. can you tell us more about that? >> yes, so this happened basically after i saw a huge event in london, when so many thousands of people were on the street with ukrainian flags. i could not find my ukrainian flag. this is a shame. it's somewhere at home, but i found our national costumes. and decided to put them on to show, like, our solidarity with other ukrainians. it is something very special, traditional embroidery. >> it's beautiful. >> i love the headband that
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katia was wearing. >> yeah, this is another traditional thing. and for us, he was crying because he wanted to have the same, even though he's a boy. >> yeah, if one child wants something, the other one automatically wants that, i just learned that. i have been learning that. you know, again, i know you follow events a lot. i wonder when you hear about ongoing talks between russia and ukraine and turkey, russia claims, you know, scaling back militaryi activity in parts of ukraine and we continue to see shelling. what do you think? >> i was waiting for this question. well, peace agreement with russia, you know, me, i feel as many others here. we do not expect much from this because all the time when we had it before, peace agreements meant for us more of attacks, more shelling, more of trying to
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kill ukrainians. now, this happens even eight years ago, and now each time when we have any kind of negotiations with russia, we are like, okay, so today we will have more bombardments, more attacks from the air. okay, we'll see what the negotiations bring us. we do not really expect any sudden peace from russia. because this regime cannot be trusted. you know, they lied so many times. they lied before. they keep lying right now. if you watch russian tv, what they are telling to their people, what they're telling about the west, about ukraine, you know, they do not take ukraine seriously as a nation. you know, and they are just -- it's not nice. but i mean, whatever decisions will be taken during this negotiations, even if these decisions, agreements would be like nice, like they promise not to attack any more, it doesn't really mean they will not attack
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anymore. so for me, what i see is it's more like the political discussions, more like political agreements. not between ukraine and russia, but between ukraine and the other countries in the west. it's like a part of a chess game. and for sure, it's not the end. it's just we're in the process of war. you know, while the russian troops are still on the territory of ukraine, we're still at war, and any peace negotiations are not possible. because you cannot discuss peace with someone who is killing you right now. he is just putting guns to my head and negotiate with me about peace agreements. this is not right. >> i appreciate talking to you, as always. thank you. >> thank you. >> just ahead, details on the latest yacht linked to russia's elite seized under international sanctions. we'll cover that and break down russia's claims it wants to in
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house select committee show a gap of 7 hours and 37 minutes. previous reporting come ncluding by cnn indicated there were gaps but we did not know how large a gap it was. according it had new reporting, it equals 457 minutes from 11:17 a.m. to 6:54 p.m. and that includes the period had the u.s. capitol was being violently assaulted. and when we know the former president spoke by phone with top republicans. we're joined by two men familiar with the tarnished presidency and missing white house evidence. carl bernstein, author of chasing history, a kid in the newsroom, and bob woodward, who co-authored this remarkable piece for "the washington post," who is also the co-author of "peril." this is really startling. this is not just a gap. this is a gaping hole in communications. what stood out to you? >> well, first of all, it's illegal to subvert a legitimate
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function of government and the legitimate function here is the certification of the winner of the presidency and the law specifies it will be on january 6th. and so here we find on that day in many ways the most important day in trump's presidency, that as i know, he's a chronic addictive phoner. and there's this 7:37 gap. it strains any credibility and what happened, we have these 11 pages of white house records, which clearly establish and show what trump was doing that day. as one of the lawmakers, robert costa and i talked to said this is a cover-up.
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this is -- has all of the elements of an organized concealment. >> bob, the other thing that, i mean, again, what's so remarkable about what you reported, the president gave "the washington post" a statement saying never heard -- doesn't know what a burner phone is. and the statement says in part, and i want to read it, it says i have no idea what a burner phone is, to the best of my knowledge, i have never even heard the term. john bolton, in your article, said that he talked about burner phones often or a number of times, didn't he? >> yes, and it's a classic way of concealing a conversation. and in this important way, and the law requires that the records of the presidential movements and phone calls be recorded. and the national archives doesn't have this 7 hour and 37
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minute gap. it's astonishing, and it is -- carl and i worked 50 years ago on watergate, tangled, hidden, and this goes longer. and based on the -- and deeper. and based on the information i have, i think the people who concocted this scheme of the alleged stolen election, that there's no evidence on, are next year going to win an academy award for the fabrication. >> carl, how does this happen? how does a phone log in the white house just have this gap in it? and because as, you know, as has been extensively reported, we know house republican leader kevin mccarthy, his phone call to the president, these should be in the records, but they aren't. >> no, the way it happens is that people who are determined that we not know the truth about
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what happened leading up to this insurrection, an insurrection led by a seditious president of the united states. it's not in his interest for us to know. and the people around him presumably try to make sure we don't know. we need to look at what happened on january 6th. this committee has already told us that a criminal act was committed by the president of the united states on january 6th. a judge has just said, a federal judge, that there is reason to believe that the president of the united states broke the law. what was this about? it was about a president of the united states for the first time in our >> it involved insurrection, promoting insurrection, such as occurred on january 6th. we have something unique in the
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history of the presidency, way beyond the crimes of richard nixon. this is an unprecedented event to undermine the constitution, to undermine democracy itself by a criminal president. >> bob, who would be involved in -- is it just editing a log? do you know what would be involved in this kind of -- i don't even know what to call it. creating this kind of a gap? >> well, whoever turned it over officially and in fairness, trump says he just assumed all the proper records went to the archives. but whoever did this had no sense that they were handing in, if you will, homework that no one would believe. i just know personally in dealing with trump on 2020 on the phone, he would -- he would call in the morning, in the afternoon. he once called me in the
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afternoon and said, oh, no, i'm sorry, i called him. i had some questions. and he said, i can't talk. i have 20 generals waiting for me. and then we talked for 25 minutes. he could not stop talking. and so someone has done something that has underscored and put sparkles around an obvious deception. who did it, how it was done, and to the credit of the january 6th committee, they're being expansive. they're talking to people. they're asking the old reporters question, when you talk to somebody, who else should i talk to? and then they go talk to them and ask that. and they have got hundreds of witnesses. let's hope they can put this together in a way so people will
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see what happened. >> carl, several members of the january 6th committee have expressed open frustration on twitter and statements that the department of justice hasn't taken more action as a result of the committee's work thus far. do you think the doj would, will ever prosecute mark meadows for contempt of congress or seek to question the former president in some sort of criminal investigation? >> or perhaps prosecute the former president of the united states. usually, or very often, prosecutors wait until they have a full record of investigations before they indict, before sometimes they impanel a grand jury. what we know is that the committee's information thus far, the justice department is aware of it. the committee's information is voluminous. it shows exactly up to what is known now, how the president of the united states undermined his office, undermined the constitution, and presumably, the justice department is looking at every aspect of this, including how to go about
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indictiindict indicting those involved in this conspiracy. let's be clear. this is a conspiracy to defraud the united states and its people. it is a conspiracy the top of which is undoubtedly, unquestionably the former president of the united states. so it's understandable that the justice department might be taking its time in such a sensitive case to go forward. we don't know. but the attorney general is certainly looking with his prosecutors at this. >> carl bernstein, bob woodward, appreciate it. >> i think he actually has a responsibility to look at this. you just can't pretend this didn't happen. >> exactly. >> fascinating. as always, thank you so much. >> coming up, more on the war in ukraine. "new york times" columnist tom friedman jones us to talk about that. the west's latest capture of oligarch wealth, and what to believe about russia's claims of wanting to reduce assaults on two cities.
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in all the other news out of ukraine tonight, there was this out of britain. international sangs against russia's elite appear to have added yet another superyacht, according to the british government which detained the ship. as for luxury, apparently not only has a freshwater swimming pool but what the builders call a, quote, infinite wine cellar.
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can't actually be infinite, but you know. again, this news comes as our reporters have heard sounds of major artility and rocket fire in kyiv. they all cast serious doubt about russia's claims of troop repositioning and its motives. today, russia's defense minister said the move is about, quote, achieving the main goal, the liberation of donbas. that's the region in the east that's partially occupied by russian backed forces. joining me is tom friedman, author of a number of best selling books. tom, what do you make, is russia now trying to figure out a way to reframe this that all they cared about was donbas all along, and get a land bridge to crimea and get out? >> it's interesting, anderson. i don't think we can rule out the fact there may be confusion and differences of opinion between the military and putin. given the losses they have suffered. i still believe that putin's
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choices once he got everything wrong from the beginning were lose early and lose small, lose late and lose big. there clearly is some effort there to lose early and big. lose early and small, and the way to do that is to claim that they were just going for, you know, a link between crimea and russia and the eastern regions. but i think we shouldn't underestimate how confused they might be themselves and what kind of divisions might be going on there. i still think, though, anderson, putin's overall fallback position is to try to create as absolutely as many refugees as he can from ukraine into the surrounding eu and nato countries. and put them under tremendous stress so they will come to zelenskyy and get him or force him eventually to cut whatever deal putin wants. i still think that's his plan. >> do you think that could work? look, there's the population, pre-war population of ukraine was 44 million or so.
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that potentially, there's a lot of refugees potentially. >> yeah, we have already got i believe 6 million plus internal refugees and 3 million to 4 million already now spilling out in the surrounding states. and that's a huge burden on those countries. so i don't rule that out. i think he is cynical enough to do that, and desperate enough. >> one of the things that's interesting, and i have heard you comment on this. we see yachts being seized here and there or houses, you know, huge mansions in london. we don't really see what is happening inside russia. and do you feel like you have a sense of what the economic pain they are feeling is yet? >> yeah, we're really covering this war almost like with one eye, because we're covering as reporters and so well, but covering what we can cover, which is the war on the ground. we can't actually cover what's going on inside russia. remember, we dropped the
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equivalent of an economic nuclear bomb on russia. so what we don't see is ivanovic going to the atm machine and not getting any money or money that is half of what it was before. we don't see the other russian man or woman going to the factory and being told by the boss, sorry, the factory is closed. we don't have microchips. we don't see the young couple going to the travel agency to see about their vacation to istanbul or to spain and being told, sorry, we don't have any airplanes flying. so we dont see any of that. and so there's a real asymmetry in the coverage. we see, and i'm glad we do, lord knows the pain inflicted on ukraine, but there's enormous pain being inflicted on the russian economy right now. and on putin, and that has to be filtering up. it's just beginning. and so i think a lot of what you're seeing coming out of russia, putin, how much comes directly from him, how much is authorized, how much is the military speaking up?
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we don't know. it has to reflect that pain. not to mention the pain of the military. >> you know,io wrote a couple weeks ago, a really interesting article, a column about sort of the globalization. it shows how interconnected we all are in this conflict in a lot of different ways. does this say something about the future of getting off gas, getting off dependence on oil coming out of russia? do you think it accelerates that process in the united states, in europe? >> lord knows, anderson, i would hope so. how many years are we going to go funding both sides in these wars? we fund our own nato forces and our help to ukraine's military with our tax dollars. and we fund putin's army with our oil and gas purchases. his oil and gas supplies provide 40% of his state budget.
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that means 40% of his military budget. how long are we going to go on funding both sides in these oil wars? whether it's in the middle east or russia or anywhere else. that is flat out stupid. and it's time we finally had a plan, a strateging plan, to get off ooil. we cannot do it overnight, but we can do it a lot faster than we have been doing it. and remember, anderson, what brought down the soviet union? it was the collapse of oil prices between 1998 and 2002, brought on strategically by saudi overpumping. we now have it in our power to bring down those oil prices by massively rapidly moving to renewables. why aren't we doing that? why are we going on begging? two years ago, trump was begging russia and china to cut their production because oil prices had fallen by $15, which was
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killing american oil companies, and now biden and blinken are begging saudi arabia to cut its production, excuse me, to raise its production to ease the pain on us now. but what both those have in common is we're always begging. we're either begging them to cut their protection or to raise their production because they're the swing producers. let's stop begging and let's have a strategic plan to end our addiction to their oil. that is the one thing that would truly, truly undermine putin and putinism. >> tom friedman, always good to talk to you. thanks, tom. >> up next, to tom friedman's point, the impact the war is having on the millions of refugees who fled their home and start the challenge of starting over in a new country. that's the one. at university of phohoenix, you could earn your master's degree in less than a year for under $11k. learn more at phoenix.edu.
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ukraine. nearly four million though, four million, have become refugees, they've gone to neighboring countries such as poland. we report the flood of refugees there has created huge challenges. >> they fled from russian missiles, now wait for polish papers. but all they want is to be in ukr ukraine we've been waiting for four hours. i have a special needs child. but every refugee here, almost all of them women and mothers has needs. the more than two million ukrainian refugees in poland will have to show documents if they want a polish national identification number for official services. >> you can works. >> you want to work? >> yeah. >> julia and her two children waite waited since 3:00 in the morning. she got that national number so she can work.
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i wish i could continue my old life. there she had a family and job. her husband fights in the war. it was taken away, she says of her life. i have to live here by force. while she's grateful to build a safe life in poland for her children, i want to go to ukraine, she said. you hear the story repeated again and again from the women pulled from their lives. snuck a perg torre of passing time while a war rages at home. >> this is where you live? >> yes. >> this cot is her life now. >> i work in ukraine. i'm police officer. >> you're a police officer? >> yes. >> she was. she now grabs a neon vest instead. she's a volunteer at a warsaw refugee center where she herself arrived in early march. fleeing bombing in kyiv. most refugees leave here in days
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for temporary housing or for other countries. but it's been a month and she refuses to. unless it's to go home to her life in kyiv where her brothers reason ott front lines. >> do you think you'll see them again? >> no. >> yes, she says. they talk twice a week at most. i think everything will be fine, she says. at least i hope for it. not just my brothers, but everyone. but life outside the war doesn't stop. even though julia wishes it would. if i have to, she says, i'll do it. we'll start. the thing that is really extraordinary and when you talk to all of these refugees is that they believe that this life here in poland is temporary.
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they're seeing the same news. they're seeing the same images. the they're having to explain all of this to their children. but they still somehow believe that they're going to be able to return to ukraine and pick up life where it stopped. anderson? >> appreciate it. thank you. up next, new details on the launch of cnn plus. on a trip. book with priceline. you save more, so you can “woooo” more. - wooo. - wooo. wowooooo!!!!! woohooooo!!!! w-o-o-o-o-o... yeah, feel the savings. priceline. every trip is a bibig deal.
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cnn plus laufrnled today. one is called full circle. we've been streaming the past few years. it can now be found on cnn plus, and a new program called parental guidance that i'm doing where we look at issues regarding parenting including the questions i have premier episodes reason ott site now. there is a ton of new programming on cnn plus. he has a new show called no mercy. a part of the show, a part of the conversation he had with
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former democratic presidential candidate andrew yen. >> will run for office again? >> i'm going to do whatever i can for the country of ours? >> come on, dude. you're 0 for 2. you are standing up? that sounds like yes. >> i guess what i'm describing, i have -- i completely open mind about what my future holds. but, you know, i'm 47 years old in political terms makes me very, very young. yeah. >> but if you're going to run again, what you would run for? would you run for president zbhen. >> i have a mission to do what i can. frankly, like -- >> come on, man. you're smarter. i know you're like doing the math. where do you see an opening potentially for andrew yang? >> right now concerned with '22 and '24. i'm going to do what i can. it's elevating other candidates. >> no mercy. you can watch it on cnn plus using your web browser. cnn mobile app or app on apple tv and
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