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the rise in competition among women underscored the outsize role womens played in care giving, as schools stay open, the ranks of those out sick due to illness plummets. while it's important, it is just one step. there are still a million fewer working now than in february, 2020, rhyight before the pandem hit, according to national women's law center. there's a long way to go. thanks for joining us. >> good evening from ukraine, we have new video we want to show you. it is disturbing, but as we point out on this broadcast, these sorts of images are necessary to show, in order to emphasize the horror of this war. this is from the town of bucha, just outside kyiv, the capitol, it was recently liberated. part of the ukrainian's counter attack, now it's unclear if the bodies you see on the ground there are military or civilians, however it is clear from the
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video one of them was killed while riding a bike. brutal images. we're going to assess bucha in greater detail a little later in the show. also, tonight, it is possible we have reached a pivotal moment in a war that until now, and like the images you saw, has been fought exclusively on ukrainian soil, what is notable, even unusual, is the reports of an attack miles within the russian borders are coming from the russians themselves. i'm john berman in for anderson. it is a reversal of roles to be sure, the russians admitting to a surprising and seemingly successful attack against a russian fuel depot, meanwhile the ukrainians typical vocal about their successes are a little quiet, not to mention a bit cryptic about what happened. beyond this case, there are new examples of apparently successful operations by ukrainian forces. new satellite photos from maxar technologies tonight confirm the pentagon estimation that the
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russian military has likely left an airport outside kyiv. the capture of this airport back in february was one of the first big victories of the war by the russians. these images come to us a day after the mayor of the town, also outside the capitol says they have been liberated from the russians. still, we can't stress enough that the russian missile strikes continue to exact a deadly toll here. one official in the northern city of chernihiv told me a hospital there was hit and that people are suffering. >> we have no electricity, no water, russian forces just shelled a local regional hospital. >> that was the mayor of chernihiv, this video shows the destruction that occurred before ukrainians were able to retake it. also of concern tonight, the humanitarian crisis in the south of the country, with the red cross unable to get inside the
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besieged city of mariupol and only a few thousand civilians able to get out today. as we do every night here on cnn, we have reporters across ukraine as well as at the white house to bring us all the latest on these stories. we want to start with the humanitarian crisis and ivan watson. ivan, the ukrainian government says about 771 people from mariupol arrived in zaporizhzhia tonight, you were there when they arrived, what was that moment like? >> reporter: right, well it should have been, in normal times, maybe a 2 1/2, 3 hour trip from the russian occupied city of berdyansk to zaporizhzhia where i am, controlled by the ukrainians. instead, it took closer to 11, 12 hours for these people to get out, to get here, many of these people had fled mariupol, fled the siege there, and found that trying to get out of russian-occupied territory is not an easy thing to do.
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the ukrainian authorities are here waiting, police checking the documents of the new arrivals. there is a war very much underway, a deadly war and serious national security threats. after people are processed here, there is a major volunteer and city government effort to welcome the newly arrived evacuees and to give them temporary shelter, warm meals. people are tired, little kids been on this bus i would estimate at least 11 hours. little kids who have witnessed a modern day siege and perhaps the destruction of their homes and explosions in just a terrible environment. now the international committee of the red cross is trying to reach the city of mariupol itself and failed, said it was not allowed, permitted to go through. there is still believed to be about 100,000 or more citizens,
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of mariupol still trapped within the combat zone in mariupol as well as a force of ukrainian troops still holding out against a vastly larger number of russian military forces that have encircled the city and besieged it for weeks now. so while this is a glimmer of hope, after many failed attempts to evacuate civilians, there is still a lot of work to be done to protect the people still trapped in the combat zone. these are some of hundreds, if not thousands of exhausted ukrainian civilians who have just been evacuated after an incredibly long journey by bus from russian-occupied territory, and from the combat zone around the city of mariupol. so you have dozens and dozens of buses which left the russian-occupied city of
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berdyansk around noon and wasn't until around 11:00 p.m. they finally reached zaporizhzhia which is supposed to be normally only 2 1/2 hours drive away, so what's going on right now is after a very difficult journey, people who have endured weeks of artillery bombardment and air strikes in their home city and fled it have not been allowed to travel further. they've finally been brought here to ukrainian-controlled territory. for some people here, this is a family reunion. >> ivan, what a scene. the reunion between that young girl and her grandmother, what's next for that family? >> reporter: well, number one, they're together. because they've been separated for, the little girl had been stuck in russian-occupied
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berdyansk for eight days waiting to get out on one of these buses. the whole family will go to western ukraine, to where you are, lviv, and the grandmother said they'll try to reassess, may try to go to germany. their homes, livelihood, all of that destroyed as has most of mariupol. >> so many lives. ivan, stay right there. i want to bring in christiane amanpour in kyiv and at the white house, kaitlan collins. christiane, i want to start with you, in that video, we just got a look at at the top of the program from bucha just northwest of kyiv, what do you know about what's happening there? >> reporter: well, it's hard to know exactly. i have not been up to bucha but i and colleagues have been up to other towns and cities that had been, you know, fiercely contested and there's a lot of the detriments of war, sorry to say, whether it's vehicles, armored vehicles, tanks, civilians, even soldiers, and
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what we do know from my conversation with the ukrainian foreign minister today, around kyiv, the ukrainian forces are gradually pushing the russians away from some of these areas that they had fiercely contested in some cases, you know, had controlled most or all of these places, and they're pushing them back. but he told me, you know, the russians are not moving back, you know, to regroup because they want to or because of any good will as the kremlin claimed around, you know, talks but because the ukrainians forced them to regroup and rethink. now, on that issue, also, that you were talking about, the fuel depot, i also talked to the foreign minister about it, here they have not confirmed or denied it but this is what the foreign minister told me. >> i saw the video, but the quality is insufficient for me to identify whether it was ukrainian helicopters or not. i am ukrainian, i have trust in the people of ukraine and in our
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armed forces and of course as foreign minister now, diplomacy. this is a war. they attacked us to destroy us. they reject our right to exist as a nation. so it means that we will be fighting back by all means available to us within existing law, international laws of warfare of course because we are a civilized nation unlike them. >> reporter: and john, it's likely due to operational security they won't confirm or deny their part in that attack on the fuel depot just across the border. >> yeah, that really did seem intentionally cryptic. you know, kaitlan, it's obviously still unclear what happened, but how concerned is the white house on the impact it could have on diplomatic efforts. >> reporter: well you saw this claim from the russians that this attack which they're alleging of course done by the ukrainians which as you heard from christiane's interview
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they're not confirming, white house isn't confirming, but white house saying this attack could hinder peace talks on going for weeks, sometimes virtual, sometimes in person and the idea this attack could thwart those talks and the white house pushing back very strongly on this notion that anything like this if the ukrainians did strike this attack could actually interfere because they're pointing out why this is happening, because putin is the aggressor here so pushing back on this notion that it will interrupt, whether these peace talks will ultimately be successful or not. >> yeah, i mean it's worth noting that the russians have hit fuel depots all over ukraine including one right behind me. they hit civilian targets where civilians live all over ukraine. ivan, what are the people you spoke with tell you about what they left behind? >> reporter: everything. their homes, their communities, their, in some cases, relatives
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who were not able to escape which and they come with, perhaps, a bag or two, or a cat or a dog that they managed to escape with. but they've left a life behind. the grandmother we talked about before, she said that she dreams of one day going back to mariupol, that it should be built again and that there should be monuments to all the innocent civilians who have been killed there in the last month. i asked well, what happens if the russians take over that city? and she said i can't go back to live under the russians. >> we have heard awful tales of what's been happening to people in some areas once the russians take over. christiane, you mentioned your conversation with ukrainian foreign minister and about the fact that he says that the russian troops are being moved in some cases. what else did he have to say about the idea of these
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counteroffensives around the country? >> reporter: yeah, i mean he said that. you know, they think, and he used the word low hanging fruit. they think, i think a lot like u.s. intelligence and the pentagon believes that these forces, if they are moving back and some are going to belarus, regrouping, maybe being refitted, resupplied and then redirected, and what we're seeing is that certainly, the beginnings of a major redirection toward donbas which the foreign minister confirmed. now that, of course, as we all know, is that eastern part, part of which the russians invaded in 2014 and occupied ever since, and it looks like that's what they're going to be focusing on, but they are also very likely to keep harassing and trying to pin down any kind of, you know, ukrainians in other parts like even here have been missiles, wasn't today, but yesterday, even as they were conducting these new operations. so it's not as if the threat to the rest of the country is over,
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while they try to, you know, try to get and hold territory on the east and we'll see what happens. >> so kaitlan, according to the regional military governor in odesa, the region struck there today by three missiles. what are you learning about how the white house is helping provide the ukrainians with coastal defense systems? obviously, odesa, that beautiful port city on the black sea. >> reporter: yeah that of course the russians want so badly, and this is something president zelenskyy asked for, they want these coastal defense systems and the white house did bring this up today unprompted saying they are working with allies to try to get them those so seems they're making some progress behind the scenes so no announcement yet they've actually delivered those and of course there was a big conversation happening in the united kingdom yesterday about getting them these systems. it's not just the united states, working in tandem with allies to get them these systems, but we've seen the difficulties ukrainians face in being their
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successful in their request for this, with the tanks, antiaircraft systems that zelenskyy asked for including fighter jets he says he still needs and requests gone unanswered, this is another thing he requested so this is a big question of the timic ng he when they actually get this. obviously, itt's a lot more difficult to get the ukrainians the assistance the allies are promising them but say it is actually going into ukraine. they don't appear to have gotten the coastal defense systems yet but white house says they're working on it with allies, though air defense systems still unanswered so far. >> it's interesting, john kirby told me the other day, no examples of russians disrupting the flow of weapons systems coming into the country at all, so once the united states and nato tries to send stuff in, it does get here. ivan, i know you said there's a huge volunteer effort welcoming the refugees and the images of people arriving on the buses so dramatic, but what happens after
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that? do these people know where they're going? >> reporter: no. not necessarily. because again, peoples' lives have been ripped out from under them. so there is a kind of adjustment, and a reconfiguring. so i've seen, and also, the people that are fleeing these cities that are the battle ground, they join this flow of humanity that is surge across ukraine since the russians launched their invasion on february 24th, in your direction, john, on the western border there, and then into europe. this is just more than 4 million people from ukraine have fled across the borders and are many millions more displaced here within ukraine. some people will perhaps go to the next city up. it's called nipro and i've met some of the mariupol evacuees
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who have tried to find apartments and try to start rebuilding their lives while the war is still raging in other parts of the country. so it's just a massive, massive moment where people who perhaps never dreamt of leaving their hometowns are suddenly having to consider it's now being forced on them. >> and that they may never get back. christiane, obviously there's been a fascination with the mindset of vladimir putin because it's within that mind there is all this suffering. what's the latest on the notion whether there are people telling him the truth? >> reporter: well, i did actually speak to the german foreign minister as well today and as you know, the germans really stepped up not only reversing their decades-long post-war defense policy, but even today, additionally, have sent or announced they're sending 56 more very sophisticated tanks to ukraine. on the issue of putin, i asked,
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what does your chancellor say to him when he talks to him? how can he be so misinformed about what's going on and she said well, he isolated himself, president putin, my chancellor, president of france, do talk to him, do explain what's happening on the battlefield which is why they should have a speedy negotiated settlement but, you know, i've also heard from other officials whose leaders have been in touch with putin that he is still absolutely convinced or at least that's what he says to them that places like mariupol are full of extremists and terrorists, that's what he keeps telling, even internationals. we also see from the u.s. and you can see from the ground playing out, that the rules or rather the commands to the forces on the ground are not necessarily coming from an on-the-ground overall battle commander. they have not been able to identify one the u.s. or the other allied intelligence. so it seems all the commands are
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coming from moscow central which is a very inefficient way of getting, you know, orders to your forces and it does not allow for any not or adaption to what you're actually seeing on the ground. >> christiane, ivan, kaitlan, thank you so much to all of you and all your reporting. coming up, we'll discuss that video from the town of bucha we showed you earlier in the broadcast. we warn you, it is disturbing. it is our first look at another town recently liberated. the bodies you see may be civilians, military or both. there's just a lot about this story we don't know yet. we'll get perspective from two retired u.s. generals about what to make of it, as well as the apparent successes of the ukrainian counterattacks plus more on the fuel depot attack, and later we'll talk with someone who managed to escape from mariupol who previously called the conditions inside
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we want to show you that new video from the town of bucha outside the capitol. it is disturbing, and it does show human bodies. we don't know if these bodies are civilians or military, ukrainian or russian. we do know that one of the bodies appears to be on a bicycle. bucha was recently liberated by ukrainian forces, an example of ukraine's apparently successful counterattack. also another attack we want to discuss, we mentioned earlier as well, what the russians are calling an attack on their soil by the ukrainians, if it was the ukrainians who attacked this fuel depot it would mark a dramatic turning point in a war that until now has been fought exclusively on ukrainian territory. however, cnn cannot confirm russia's allegations and ukraine is being cryptic saying it will neither confirm or deny these accusations, there is of course
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video of not only these explosions, helicopters flying over the city, unknown if these are ukrainian helicopters, i'm joined by retired general, author of america's war on isis , the "hunting the caliphate" at the site of the first russian invasion in 2014. general, i want to start with this awful video from bucha, we see bodies statercattered all o the road. what do you see in this, as somebody familiar with conflict? >> what i see is the face of war, which is, it's ugly, it's terrible. human linesves are taken whethe it's combatants or civilians, it's awful. and that's a depiction of that. >> and general zwack, what does
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it tell you about the kind of war the russians are waging? >> well, this is turning into an increasingly savage conflict, since the russians invaded. i'd hazard, it looks like, if, by speculation, looks to me like a retreating russian column, vehicles, and possibly soldiers or national guard or ill-disciplined taking pot shots at ukrainians as they're driving by. that would be my view, looking at it. but it's horrible and as jegenel pitad said, these are the weeds of war, this is an infight in a horrific way between slavic
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nations. >> a war no one asked for, this was a country that was invaded so the horror you're seeing on the streets there, inflicted on them. general pitard, we showed the video the russians say is this strike inside russian boundaries, they say it was a ukrainian strike on a fuel depot. do you think it was likely the ukrainians that did this? >> i actually think it was likely the ukrainians that did it, with what looks like two hine aircraft, helicopters, mi-24 attack helicopters, to get there, to evade russian radar and then they attacked. attacked a legitimate target, it's a fuel depot, but even more than that, it's really the first attack on russian soil from another nation since world war ii, you know, outside of terrorist attacks, the first
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time since world war ii, nearly 77 years. so larger than the impact of the raid itself will be the psychological impact on the fact that it was on russian soil. almost akin to the doolittle raid on tokyo in 1992. >> general zwack what about that, if it was the ukrainians, the fact they could pull this off. >> and i love the jimmy doolittle analogy after pearl harbor, because this is also not just sending a message to the russians but also motivating the ukrainians that they can strike back and belgorod is just over the border and if russian troops are either coming in, you know, more troops from the east or shunting from around kyiv, they, many of them have got to go through belgorod to get at
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eastern ukraine, the donbas. i was in belgorod in april or may of 19 -- excuse me, of 2014, during the first build-up to the invasion and it was a major russian marshaling yard. i was there as an defense acache and there were a lot of defenses then and, how there were eastern donbas proxies and you had that awful eight year war as a result, after the illegal annexation of crimea so it's all there, belgorod is a really, you look at a map, it is a railway, rail head, road junction and things could be coming in and the fact that that fuel depot is there makes perfect sense as a military target. when we were there, eight years ago, the place was full of russian military and aviation
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shunting through. >> i'm glad you point out it's a military target. there's no equivalence here. if the ukrainians did do this, there's no equivalence. the russians are hitting civilian targets as well as military targets but civilian targets all over ukraine, hospitals, hotels, residence dn, theaters where people are hiding not to mention fuel depots as well. but do you think the russians would use this as a predicate for reprisals? >> well it's difficult to say what the russians will do as far as even more savagery. the fact that they invaded a sovereign nation, so not sure what they would do as far as reprisals. but it's time for not just ukraine to take the initiative but for nato to take the initiative, what we keep doing is r is reacting to putin. we must make putin react to us and there's a number of things
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we could be doing, whether it's like the berlin air lift bringing in supplies and weapons or designating western ukraine as a humanitarian assistance zone all the way from west of kyiv all the way down south to odesa which would require nato troops to enforce that, but there's very few russian troops there on the ground. also, for a no-fly zone over russia, ukraine, over that humanitarian assistance zone and other things we can do also but we need to take the strategic s initiative, make russia and putin react to us instead of the opposite. >> general pitard, general zwack, a pleasure to speak with both of you tonight. >> thank you, john. >> director of chernobyl nuclear plant claims russian soldiers could have been exposed to radiation near the plant and tanks kicked up thick dust. we're going to speak about this with a nuclear expert and get his take, next.
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to dust kicked up by passing vehicles and may have received significant exposure when digging into what is known as the red forest nearby. again, this is all according to the assessment of the ukrainians. director of the international atomic energy agency said today he will head a mission there as soon as possible. i'm joined now by michiu kaku from university science center of new york, how likely is it that the russian soldiers were exposed to dangerous levels of radiation? >> well, these are unconfirmed reports from the ukrainian defense ministry and also ukrainian power company stating that scores of russian soldiers, perhaps even hundreds came down with nausea, vomiting, the first signs of radiation poisoning. now realize that the red forest is called the red forest for a reason. it is highly radioactive, one of the most radioactive hot spots in the exclusion zone which is
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18 miles in radius, and they were digging fortifications. they were digging trenches there. plenty of opportunity over a month to be exposed to large quantities of radiation including radioactive dust and the soldiers had to be taken out and eventually shipped out to belarus. so these are unconfirmed reports, but because of the fact that the soldiers in this area for over a month and getting exposed to radioactive soil, the most heavily contaminated area in the exclusion zone, we have to take these charges very seriously. >> yeah, i mean the single thing you don't want to do in a contaminated area is to dig into the ground. that is honestly the most dangerous thing you can do. what would the time table be for symptoms for these soldiers if, in fact, they did do that? >> well, sometimes we have radiation victims from
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hiroshima, nagasaki and l los alamos national laboratory where radiation sickness can happen soon after radiation exposure but that requires a huge wallop, we're talking hundreds of chest x rays to even give the faintest signs of radiation poisoning so this is not something which you get casually. we're talking a tremendous exposure to radiation if the stories are true. >> as we mentioned, the head of the iaea is going to lead a mission to chernobyl he says as soon as possible, but is there anything the iaea or any other international group can actually do at this point to better secure chernobyl or many of the other plants here in ukraine? >> i think so. the troops have left chernobyl, and realize that there are thousands -- thousands of highly radioactive spent fuel rods on site. the accident, in some sense, is not over. the radiation is still burrowing
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into the soil at chernobyl. the accident is still going on at that reactor site. and just remember that this is unprecedented that we have not one but several nuclear power complexes in the middle of a major war where the combatants are firing at each other. one of the largest complexes, six nuclear power plants in the ukraine, was hit by tank fire. think about that. a nuclear power plant, its cooling systems hit by tank fire. this is inconceivable when we first began to design nuclear power plants. >> oh, i think about it a lot as i'm sitting here in lviv. professor michiu kaku, thank you so much for being with us, appreciate your insight. tonight, as buses rescue refugees from mariupol, my next guest shares how he escaped that battered city with his family. our live coverage from ukraine continues.
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would break the promise between us. it's bad for tribes and all californians. join us. protect the promise. i'm john berman in lviv, western ukraine. the air raid sirens are going off here in this city. it does happen from time to time here, they go off, warn people to take shelter if they can in the lower levels of their building and when they get a sense it's clear, they set the
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sirens off to say it's safe. this is needless to say, we'll be watchening the next few minutes. according to ukrainian minister, more than 6,000 people evacuating from besieged cities today, nearly 800 coming from the besieged city of mariupol. mayor of that city said nearly 5,000 people including 210 children have been killed there since russia began their assault on the city. our next guest is the ceo of a tv station in mariupol, before escaping the city two weeks ago, he described the current situations as, quote, hell, saying that from his window he saw the children's hospital bombed. nico sachenko joins us tonight. nick, first of all, how are you and your family doing right now? >> we feel safe. we have water. we have food. we have, i don't know, we have
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everything which we don't have in mariupol so we are fine. >> i want to ask you what it was like in mariupol before you left the city. can you describe what you saw in the final days that you were there? >> yeah. look, it's, to describe in one word, it was hell. just hell. look, actually, for a month, right now, and as for me, it was something about 2 1/2 weeks we lived in the stone age. yeah. we don't have anything. but it was not the stone age because have had shellings, missiles, mines and so on, so on, so on. we saw dead bodies, saw dead children, and it's terrible memories. and i think it will be with me for all of my life.
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with me, my children, with my wife, and so forth. >> i'm so sorry that you and your family and your children will have that memory. what was your escape like? >> it was, ride to zaporizhzhia is supposedly 2 1/2 hours, but turns out it was about 15 hours. 15 hours is it's too many of russian checkpoints. and every checkpoint, these checking your documents, your stuff, checking your phone, your gallery, checking your fingers and so on. >> sounds horrible. are you still in touch with anyone inside mariupol? do you hear anything about the state of the city right now? >> right now, there is no internet in the city and nobody can go for the people outside, so i speaking for people who
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escape, everyday i'm meeting them right here in zaporizhzhia and i'm talking with these people and every next day, they telling me the biggest stories i hear, yeah, so it's bigger plane, i don't know, they saw dead bodies everyday and everywhere, yeah. so they saw that the bodies are buried in the yard, in the street, and it's terrible. as they telling me about the city, about my city, which i love, i am from donetsk, actually, escaped from donetsk in 2014 and mariupol became home, yeah, and now i need to start life again a second time. but people told me that the city, there is no city, yeah. no city, no buildings. there is buildings, but no safe
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buildings. no windows. nothing. it's hell. yeah. >> it sounds like it's getting worse everyday. there have been people getting out, as you said, including some buses that arrived in zaporizhzhia which carried people from mariupol. have you been able to locate everyone who worked for you, are they safe, do you still hope to find them? >> look, it's really, for me, before the war, i had 89 people in my tv channel. for now, when i speak with you, i am only now know 44 of my people are alive. from this 44 people, i know that 21 escape and before our meeting right now, i was in the hub in
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zaporizhzhia and my people, two of my channel workers, yeah, i met them. it was, i don't know, yeah, so i was glad to see them. but i don't recognize them, yeah. so this, this month has really changing for people. people are getting older. people are getting, you see it in their face, you know, and the most terrible things, it's the eyes or the ears. kids, children, became older people, yeah. a little girl, she has eyes like a grandmother, yeah. so she's saw so many pain this month, really wears on her.
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>> it does sound like hell. nick osychenko, thank you so much for being with us, we wish you the best. >> thank you, thank you guys. thank you. coming up, breaking news out of the january 6th investigation, what a white house diarist told the white house select committee about the former president's activities ahead of the capitol insurrection, that's next. strypaper? why do we all put up with this? when there's biotrue hydrdration boost eye drops. biotrue uses naturally inspired ingredients like an electrolyte, antioxidant, even your tears' own moisturizer. and no preservatives. these ingredients are true to your eyes' biology. see? bio.true. at adp, we use data-driven insights to design hr solutions to provide flexible pay options and greater workforce visibility today, so you can he more success tomorrow.
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...there's always something new to discover. and right now, you can get 3 months of apple tv+ free when you sign up. just say “try apple tv+” to get started. it's a movement. with xfinity, it's a way better way to watch. we have break news on the january 6th capitol insurrection investigation. paula reid has details on testimony before the house committee about the president's activities leading up to that day. paula joins us now. what have you learned? >> reporter: cnn learned just days before the capitol riot white house officials started providing fewer details about trump's calls and visits with those involved in white house
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recordkeeping. sources telecnn, trump's diarist, that's the person whose job it is to collect details about the president's daily activities. we have learned she was interviewed by the house select committee roughly two weeks ago. during that interview she described a noticeable propaganda drop off in the information provided by oval office in the days leading up to the insurrection. one source described how the white house record keepers appeared to be iced out during this critical time period. one source familiar with the investigation said the last day that quote normal information was sent out was january 4th. then starting on january 5th the diarist didn't receive the usual notes and calls she would have been receiving. >> paula, how unusual is that? for a record keeper has been iced out, as you say, in that manner? is there a possibility it was just business as usual for a
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white house that is known for less than meticulous recordkeeping? >> well, it is very out of the ordinary, john. but sources close to the panel's investigation did not seem to know who, if anyone, directed a change in recordkeeping or what the motivation was behind this change. and as you noted, as with so many thing in the trump white house, you asked this same question whether this was intentional al or just part of che yos and staffing chaos particularly at that part of the administration. >> those specific days i think are worthy of note at a minimum. paula reid thank you for the breaking news reporting. appreciate it. we'll be right back. what's going on? where's regina? hi, i'm ladonna. i invest in invescsco qqq, a fufund that gives me access to the nasdaq-100 innovations, like real time cgi. okay... yeah... oh. don't worry i got it!
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welcome back. i'm john berman in lviv, in western ukraine. as i mentioned the air raid sirens went off here moments ago warning people to take shelter
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if they can. it is the wee hours of the morning. there was a notion russians might launch a reprisal to the ukrainian attack on russian soil. let's hands it over to wolf blitzer and cnn tonight. >> this is cnn tonight. i'm wolf blitzer. we welcome our viewers. ukraine's president zelenskyy just spoke for the first time about the possible ukrainian strike inside russ a direct hit early this morning a storage -- russia claims two ukrainian helicopters entered its territory flying at low altitude and struck the facility that stores millions of gallons of fuel. all day, ukraine hasn't confirmed or