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crucial vote. just moments ago, senate voting 53-47 to advance her nomination out of the senate judiciary committee. senators susan collins, mitt romney, and lisa murkowski all supported jackson. they were the only three republicans to do so. the full senate vote to confirm jackson wil jackson will be later this week. thanks so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. 4. good evening. when russia's war on ukraine, their invasion of ukraine began, it was feared or even expected that this moment would come. which does little to lessen the horror now that it has. this is going to be a difficult hour tonight because in reporting on the mass killing of civilians and the now liberated suburb of bucha outside kyiv, we will be showing you precisely what that aftermath looks like. you will see dead bodies of human beings, not casualties of war, not victims of some --
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people did this to other people. up close in many cases. tying their hands behind their backs. forcing them to kneel or simply shooting them where they stood. leaving them dead in the streets. others reportedly killed by snipers who use them for target practice. a cnn team late today witnessed the removal of five decomposed human beings from a local basement. their hands were tied. most had gunshot wounds to the head and lower extremities as well. the ukrainian official telling cnn the five were tortured, something we cannot independently confirm. it was, in any case, against the laws of war set out in the geneva convention as applied to enemy troops, let alone civilians and as the images of mass graves show, with was sadly far from isolated. and again, wanting to look away from this is understandable. something ukraine's president could not do as much as he or anyone might have wished to. he spoke today about what he saw. >> translator: these are war crimes.
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and they will be recognized by the world as genocide. you are here, and you can see what happened. we know that thousands of people killed and tortured, teared limbs, raped women, and killed children. >> president biden did not call it genocide. he did, however, say this. >> you may remember i got criticized for calling putin a war criminal. well, the truth of the matter is you saw what happened. this warrants him -- he is a war criminal. but we have to gather the information. we have to continue to provide ukraine with the weapons they need to continue the fight. and we have to get all the detail so this can be actual -- have a war crime trial. this guy is brutal. and what's happening in bucha is outrageous and everyone's seen it. >> well, this afternoon, his national security adviser said the administration would consult with allies and partners about how a war crimes trial might
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proceed. in the meantime, he said more sanctions would be coming later this week. as for evidence of russian wrongdoing, when i spoke with the top prosecutor for the international criminal court in lviv, ukraine, a bit more than two weeks ago, he told me he already had cause to begin to make a case against russia. >> we have reasonable grounds to believe crimes within the jurisdiction of the court have been committed. >> you have reasonable grounds to believe that alleged war crimes, alleged crimes against humanity have been committed. >> absolutely. and one thing is clear. i mean, it is a crime to intentionally target civilians. it is a crime to intentionally target civilian objects. now, of course there is -- has to be further investigation. were those civilian objects being used to launch attacks that made them legitimate targets? but even then, it's no license to use cluster bombs or use disproportionate attacks in concentrated civilian areas. >> when he talks of civilian objects, he is talking about buildings, churches, theaters, where civilians live.
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civilian areas, such as bucha which saw shelling early in the war, including the 27th of february just two days after russia's foreign minister said this. >> nobody is going to attack the people of ukraine. i will stress. believe ha putin said. no strikes on civilian infrastructure. >> well, that was untrue. here is a portion of clarissa ward's report on bucha a week later. >> reporter: ala and her family made it out of the kyiv suburb of bucha early this morning. leaving behind her 81-year-old grandfather. he didn't want to come with us, he decided to stay she says. he's old and can't run very fast and we had to leave so quickly. i don't know what's happening there now. it's so scary. this is what remains of the place she calls home. burnt-out husks of russian armored vehicles, entire
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apartment blocks destroyed. >> well, the killing of civilians in bucha and elsewhere has been going on almost since day one of the war. sadly, now we are learning of the house by house version there ask perhaps beyond. >> today speak with our fighters in mariupol and they said that significantly worse in mariupol than in bucha. it is impossible to imagine. also know that 340 people killed without mercy. many of them with a tight hand. we find it that day and don't be mistake, bucha is not alone. >> we have got live reports tonight from cnn's ben wedeman in mykolaiv, cnn chief international anchor in kharkiv. christiane amanpour in cnn's kaitlan collins at the white house. we begin with this report from ben wedeman who had a close call earlier today with his crew. >> reporter: this is an area where it there's been a fair
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amount of outgoing, as well as incoming artillery. down the road is a town that has been fought over for several days. by russian and ukrainian forces. in thvast open spaces, the russians seem far away. they're not. down here, john. down here. keep on. >> you see over there? >> we we hug the earth. two more artillery rounds. cameraman john keeps rolling.
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so we have two incoming rounds responding to artillery that's been firing in the russian directions. those shells came pretty close to us. no one has opinion injured. the officer tells translator we need to go now. >> okay. okay. >> i hope the car's okay. >> yeah, let's go. and so, we run full body armor to the cars.
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we are losing petrol. >> reporter: no time to lose. driver igor, razor focused on getting us to safety. his car, also, hit. >> go, go, go, go, go! all right. now, we are trying to get out of this area as quickly as possible. our other car, completely destroyed. crammed into this small car, we approach safer ground. producer kareem checks the damage to the car. the soldiers we he left behind
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are still out there. we could leave. they can't. >> ben wedeman joins us now along with kaitlan collins and christiane amanpour. we saw in your piece, what more have you been seeing in recent -- recent hours? i mean, it's so -- it's just such a confusing scene. you know, to see -- to hear artillery off in the distance. then all the sudden, realize your vehicle has been hit. >> yeah. i mean, we were out there. there was outgoing artillery and you -- keep that in the background. but when they come so close to you, it really does sort of send a jolt through your body. but, you know, i can tell you, we woke up this morning at 7:00. we were woken by a missile strike on mykolaiv. and there have been missile strikes pretty regularly in the last few days on civilian areas. we went in the morning with the mayor of this city, and he
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showed us an apartment complex that was hit. then, we went to a hospital that was hit. and there was a maternity hospital that was hit. today, ten people were killed. nine of them in a market, an open market. that was hit by a missile strike. and it appears that the russians are using cluster munitions in this case. 46 people were wounded today in this city alone. and it appears that the russians have no intention to take mykolaiv but simply to punish it because it resisted the russians several weeks back. anderson. >> christiane, i want to talk about what you have been seeing in kharkiv. but first, i am wondering what you think the implications are of what we have now been witnessing from bucha. you of course covered horrors of b bosnia. leaders ultimately brought to justice there. do you see that happening here? >> in rwanda, the '90s were
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terrible for this kind of real horrible war waged against civilians but yes, if the facts are collected, the -- already, the international criminal court and -- and other human rights organizations are starting their investigations even before we saw the full horrors of bucha. and once they get all that evidence, it might take a long time. but i am absolutely sure that it will be prosecuted. the difficulty is that in this case, with the icc, neither russia, ukraine, nor the united states and a number of other countries recognize the icc. back in the '90s, there was special tribunals set up. but i do think it's really important what ben just said. the idea of punishing because there is this sense from several people, world leaders who have spoken to putin, you know, in the early days of the war. particularly, the finnish president told me he felt there was -- and these were his words, a hatred growing inside putin
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for ukraine and for everything they stand for and everything that they have resisted. and an historian said even putin denying the legitimacy, the existence of ukraine as an independent nation and people could be adjudicated a genocidal thought, a genocidal ideology. anderson. >> and in terms of kharkiv, what have you been seeing there? >> yeah. well, yeah. this is the second city of -- of ukraine that russians tried to take in a two-pronged attack in the early days of the war. they were pushed back by the ukrainians but there has been constant -- ask we have heard it since we have been here -- artillery. and just like ben said they killed several people in mykolaiv. just yesterday -- just yesterday after we got here, mortar strikes on a residential neighborhood not far from where we are killed seven people according to local authorities and injured, you know, about 34 others. and we went and hewe saw the si
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right in the middle of an apartment complex. right where they have the swings and, you know, the slides for the kids, the little corner shops to -- people were sitting outside on a sunday just enjoying themselves. and -- and today, of course we saw all the destruction around town. and the ukrainian ministry of defense has said that this city might, again, become a target for the russians as they start moving and concentrating further, you know, east in donbas. we are only about 40 kilometers from the russian border and curfew in this motel here so that, you know, lights are out. we can't -- we can't show where we are. >> kaitlan, we heard some of what the president had to say but what more do we know about possible sanctions or new sanctions? >> there will be new sanctions this week. we don't exactly know what the scope of those sanctions is going to look like, anderson, but they are in direct response to these horrifying and powerful images that you are seeing coming out of bucha and that he
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is what the national security adviser jake sullivan said today when they were talking about this and that's what led president biden today to double down on these claims that he had these accusations that he's made saying that putin is a war criminal in his mind. after seeing these images, after seeing what's been happening over the last several weeks with these indiscriminate killings of civilians. but what he did stop short of saying was that this is genocide. and that is something that the ukrainian president has said, the polish prime minister have said they believe that genocide is being committed in ukraine. but the white house is not ready to go that far yet and they talked about kind of the legal definitions of a word like genocide. a war crimes today. they said it's something that they're evaluating and of course president biden put out there this idea of a war crimes trial for president putin earlier today and it's not clear exactly what that would look like. jake sullivan basically said they would need to talk to allies act what court would adjudicate that, what that would look like. and so, that remains to be seen but what is clear is the white house does not think this is anywhere close to being over. and they are warning about this
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next phase of the russian invasion and to what ben and christiane were saying act looks like they were just trying to punish ukraine. they did they say think one of the broadest efforts that you are going to see russia try to take is create this narrative that they have made progress but also try to weaken ukraine as much as they possibly can. >> ben, to that, of this next phase as russia sees it, mykolaiv is obviously a -- a very important city for -- for russia's ultimate plans in -- in the southeast, in -- in ukraine. are there concerns there? i mean, is the city now just expecting ultimately continued pounding from artillery and then ultimately to be occupied or an attempt to occupy it? >> at the moment, the expectation is that they are going -- the russians are going to intensify or at least continue this current level of missile strikes on the city.
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the ukrainian forces have very successfully pushed ground forces, russian ground forces, far back from the city. so, there is not an immediate danger of that. but that doesn't mean that they aren't concerned it could be a possibility. so, we have seen over the last few days barricades being built up, trenches being dug. we've seen the -- in the main streets, these huge trees are being cut down so they can use the trunks and the branches to fortify trenches and other barricades. the expectation is that -- rather, i should bput it this way -- no one rules out the possibility that the russians will try to regroup and try to take this city as they did before. keep in mind, the russians -- it's widely believed would like to make ukraine a landlocked country, take the entire black sea coast, cut this country off
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from the sea. and that would be -- and mykolaiv is the city that is stopping them from advancing further westward and taking, for instance, the port city of odesa out of which much of ukraine's wheat and other crops are exported to the rest of the world. anderson. >> ben wedeman, christiane amanpour, kaitlan collins, appreciate it. thank you. be careful isn't. next, the question of russian propaganda. it's already well under way we have been seeing. russia already claiming that what you have been seeing was faked. we have new satellite images of course that say otherwise. also, my conversation about russia's next moves on the ground with pentagon spokesman john kirby. later, russia hiss torn on what the russian people are being told about the fighting and what vladimir putin might do next. ikf stressed, dry and sandpaper. strypaper? why do we all put up with ththis? when there's biotrtrue hydration boost eye drops. biotrue uses naturally inspired ingredients
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technologies taken weeks ago and objects in the street, admittedly hard to see on a small television, match the exact locations of the bodies in the video. they show the bodies, the people have been in the streets since as early as march 18th when bucha was still under russia control. certainly underscores the importance of facts, whether from orbit or on the ground. here is cnn's phil black. >> reporter: little point closing the back doors. stopping frequently, picking up those who didn't survive russia's brief occupation of bucha. each person is photographed. where possible, i.d. is checked. and where necessary, bindings are removed. their clothes, their belongings, and in some cases their restraints, all indicate these people were a threat to no one in the moments before they were killed. in normal times, he is a
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painter. now, he collects bodies. this one was carrying potatoes, he says. you can see they are all civilians. and snipers shot them all in the head. this is how they were having fun. tatiana weeps beside her husband's shallow grave. she says he was taken from their home and weeks later, found in a basement. tortured, mutilated, shot in the head. ukraine's defense ministry released this video of another basement in bucha. a cnn team vilsited the site an saw five dead men. their hands were tied. most were shot in the head and legs. president zelenskyy came to bucha and walked its streets. saying -- it's very difficult to negotiate with russia when you see what they have done here. ukraine says it will investigate russia's war crimes. the european union says it will help. no need, says russia, because
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all of this has been staged. a resident says this equally sincere message was scribbled with lipstick in a bucha home by a russian soldier. thanks for the warm welcome, it says, sorry about the mess. russia's mess, the extraordinary suffering, death, and trauma inflicted during just a few weeks of occupation is only starting to be understood. for those who lived through it, it's unlikely to ever be forgiven. phil black, cnn, lviv, ukraine. some perspective now from pentagon spokesman john kirby. i spoke to him just before air time. admiral, appreciate you joining us tonight. obviously, these images coming from the towns around kyiv are -- are horrific. do these attacks on civilians, the -- these, you know, killings, do they change anything about the -- the -- the u.s. position on the war? >> i think they just make it all
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the more clear to all of us in nato, certainly here in the united states that we have to continue to redouble our efforts, to get ukraine the kinds of security assistance that they need to better defend themselves. and they're doing that very nimbly, very effectively but we know there is more that can be done. secretary of defense spoke today with the ukrainian minister of defense. they talked about additional security assistance. the minister reassured the secretary that that material was getting into his fighters' hands as fast as possible. we ever going to keep doing as much as we can as fast as we can and clearly when you see images that disturbing, that sickening, it makes you all -- all of us here at the pentagon want to -- want to continue to work on this as hard as we can. >> has the u.s.' ability to actually get weapons where it's needed -- have they improved because of the -- the relieving of the areas around kyiv? >> we haven't seen a relaxing necessarily because of kyiv. in fact, i wouldn't say we have
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seen any relaxing at all. we are being very flexible in how we are getting stuff on the ground into ukraine. numerous routes. those routes change from time to time. the russians have not tried to attack those routes yet. we want to keep that to be the case as long as possible. so we are being, um, very flexible is the way i'd put it in terms of how we are trying to get these shipments inside ukraine. and -- and look. ukraine -- they are arriving just over the course of the weekend. six shipments from six different nations and of course over the next 24 hours, we think there will be more. >> u.s. officials expressed skepticism when russia announced that it would scale back forces from the north of ukraine, turn its focus on the donbas region. was the pentagon at all surprised by the scale of what has happened? i mean, would you call it a pullback? >> i don't know if we've been surprised by the scale, anderson. we -- we -- last week, only saw a small minority of russian forces that were moving north out of kyiv and looked like they were leaving. over the course of the weekend, we've seen additional -- in fact, we now assess that the majority of troops that they had
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arrayed against kyiv have now left the area. still, there are some there. but -- but they've left the area. we think that they are clearly moving to reposition those troops into belarus or into russia. refit, resupply, and then reapply them into the fight elsewhere in ukraine. now, our best estimate is that they will do this reapplication in the donbas region in the east where they have said they definitely want to prioritize. so, they clearly are retreating away from kyiv. and as they do, they are being attacked by ukrainians. ukrainians are not just letting them leave unperturbed. they are going after them as well even as they try to leave t country. >> the russian forces that have dpon from northern ukraine to belarus and russia. they have reportedly taken heavy losses. how long -- i mean, do you have an estimate of how long it would take before russia is able to redeploy those forces or refit them? >> no, we don't. we don't know exactly how long that is going to take and you get in your questioning, you get at the issue. how devastated are these units? how much refit do they need?
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how much resupply do the russians need to reinforce their manning? are they going to just try to combine elements of two units that have been heavily damaged by casualties and by -- and by vehicular damage and combine 'em into one? or are they going to try to refit whole units back together again? it's not exactly clear, anderson. but what we do think is that they are going to take some time, probably not a long time, to try tro get these forces back into the fight and againby think that is going to be in the eastern part of the country. >> u.s. intelligence has warned on a number of occasions vladimir putin could be considering the -- using chemical weapons. is that still the case? have there been any updates on that? >> we haven't seen any imminent indications of the use of chemical or biological waeeapon. it's something we are watching every, every day and obviously our knowledge on the ground is somewhat limited but we see no indications that's imminent. that said, we continue to see them talk about it. it's out in the public that they've -- that they have ruminated about the ukrainian use of it. that is a classic russian play right out of the playbook, blame somebody else for something
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you're fixing to do yourself. so, we're watching this real closely. it's certainly -- we are talking about a country here, anderson, that has used chemical weapons on individuals and on groups of people before. so they have a history here that -- that -- that bears watching. >> admiral, appreciate your time. thank you. >> yes, sir. coming up, ukrainian president zelenskyy's new warning that the images we've already seen of liberated areas may get worse. also, another superyacht owned by another russian billionaire seized this time with help from the u.s. we have details on that ahead. without another pill upsetting my stomach, i get powerful, effective and safe relieief. salonpas. it's good medicine.
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president zelenskyy is warning the world tonight that the sheer number of images brutal images that we've seen out of bucha may be surpassed images from other towns recently liberated come to light. >> translator: there is already information that the number of victims of the occupiers may be even higher in some other liberated cities, in many villages of the liberated districts of the kyiv, chernihiv, and sumy regions, the occupiers did things that the locals had not seen even during the nazi occupation 80 years ago. the occupiers will definitely bear responsibility for this. >> we should know cnn cannot confirm his statement but will update the story the moment we have more information. as we reported earlier, his remarks came after ukraine's military said it now believes russia is focusing its efforts
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to surround their forces and capture the city of kharkiv in the northeast ukraine, near the russian border and one that like mariupol is the focus of fighting for a long time now. cnn's christiane amanpour was reporting from there earlier tonight and has more details now about what's become of the city. now similar to what we said earlier, some of the images you will see are graphic. that's the only way to honestly report a story about brutality and survival of this magnitude. >> reporter: here in kharkiv, former ukrainian capital, second biggest city, and one of the most important cultural sites, the great 19th century poet is hunkering down for the rest of this war. workers cover him in sandbags against a kind of destruction that's pounded this city center since the start. the most spectacular strike was this one a month ago. a russian missile slammed low and hard straight into the corner of the regional administration building. the missile struck right here, and the idea of hitting a
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building like this is to deny the legitimacy of the state. but the terror against civilians continues. playground by playground, mall by mall, park bench by park bench. which is what we find in this residential neighborhood. people were sitting outside chatting on a sunday afternoon. kids were playing. we find the telltale pattern of a mortar that landed right here. authorities say seven people were killed in this neighborhood, many more were injured. kharkiv sits 40 miles from the russian border. it is the last major city before donbas where russia is directing its war effort to the east. just last week, the nearby village was liberated from the russians. this civilian says he was captured and held.
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when dusk falls, children are outside playing and getting the last bit of fresh air before descending underground into one of the capital's many subway stations. after 40 days of war, they have turned their temporary homes into a neighborhood. some have even decorated with fresh flowers. zena says she has been living down here since the beginning. >> oh, this is my house. this used to be my house. now, we cannot live here obviously because it has opinion bombed three times in a row. >> but this is a safe space for you. >> yes, absolutely. >> reporter: kids do what kids do. homework and handy crafts. even this is organized marina works for an organization that plans ways to keep the children busy, entertained, and their minds off the trauma.
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>> the playing grounds, this place for kids where they can play with toys, made puzzles, and to do the things they did in their usual life before the war. >> reporter: but the trauma is never far away as we found in this underground station where civil defense are teaching kids how to protect themselves, how to recognize weapons and ordinance, and to remember never to touch. the adults are shown how to protect themselves in case of a chemical weapons attack. even this maternity hospital was damaged in a mortar strike. now, the basement has been turned into a shelter and delivery room if necessary. birth, life continues. we met alina 30 minutes after she had delivered her baby. how are you feeling? >> well. she is well, too. my first daughter.
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>> reporter: your first daughter? >> yeah. >> your first child? >> yeah. >> reporter: as we are leaving, she tells us i love my country, i love my daughter, my family, my husband. and in the delirium of new motherhood, she says, everything will be great for us. christiane amanpour, cnn, kharkiv. >> new life. just ahead. the editor of the new yorker joins us to talk about the images we have seen tonight plus his new piece on what vladimir putin may be thinking at this moment in the war based on his past actions in other wars. plus, another superyacht owned by one of russia's billionaire elite is captured. u.s. says it won't be the last. details on that ahead. for everything. i didn't want to deal with it. but aura digital security just dealt with it. what were we worried about t again? shopping on publicic wifi is sketchy. but with aurura digital security, my devices are protected in like 3 minutes. it's time to protect your life online with aura's all-in-one digital security. try for free today at aura.com
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don't care about california. but we do. stand with us. western allies have seized yet another superyacht owned by a russian billionaire with connections to vladimir putin. it is a 225 foot luxury yacht dubbed tango. it was seized by spanish authorities at the request of the u.s. justice department. the seizure in this case was the first conducted by u.s. task force created to hunt for sanctions violators. attorney general merrick garland said in a statement, however, it will not be the last. this comes of course as we reported as the biden administration says it is working with allies on new sanctions against russia that could come later this week. joined now by a journalist who spent much of his career covering russia, david, thank so much for being with us. you know, you see these images out of bucha, of people with
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their hands zip tied behind their backs. mass grave, bodies set to be dozens, if not more than hundred inside. um, you know, i -- anybody who's covered conflicts over the years, it brings up, you know, images one has seen in bosnia or in rwanda and all those conflicts obviously were different and -- and -- and had different parameters to it. but in the end, the brutality we see ends up being the same. and the denials of it continue as well. >> right. the images and reality are -- are sickening. but so are the denials. you know, you -- you hear sergey lavrov, the foreign minister, and demy tri peskov denying it, saying these are all fakes. in other words, every reporter that has gone to bucha and there have been many from the new yorker, "the times," cnn, all
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the rest. it's all a lie, all the pictures are funny and this is an old playbook. it's not just a russian playbook. this is an old playbook. franco said the same thing when the bask town -- you remember that from the famous picasso painting was bombed. what did franco say? well, he said the basks had bombed themselves and all the corpses were fakes. same thing in bosnia in the '90s. we were told by the serbs that, in fact, the -- it's amazing to remember it but that the -- bosnians had done this to themselves. that the market bombing was something they had done themselves and what was the goal? sounds very familiar. the dpgoal was to get foreign support for the bosnians and so on. this is an old story and it's -- and it doesn't get any less disgusting. and we have to think about who is on the side of truth and who's not. who uses phrases like enemies of the people to describe reporters? well, it's a phrase from after
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the french revolution. it is a phrase of stalin's. and i'm afraid it was the phrase of our former president. um, we live now in a battle not just about politics or humanity. we live in a battle about truth, and some people believe -- some world leaders unfortunately believe that if nothing is true, everything is possible. >> it -- it also gives -- i mean, for somebody like vladimir putin, who obviously the media is controlled there in -- in a very, you know, specific way. i mean, he does have the ability to really shape what information many russians receive. obviously, if somebody has some technical proficiency, they can get outside information. um, but, you know, he -- he can remain in power for living in this alternate reality for a long time. >> we have to remember this is not a state like our own,
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however flawed it might be. it is a dictatorship. call it what you will. totalitarianism of a modern kind or extreme authoritarianism but the control of information there is really nothing that americans can imagine. i -- i know there's been comparisons with the american scene. it's not really the case. it's bad enough here. we have 40% of our population still believes the election was stolen even though there is a wide range of -- of media available to people. there, in russia, it's very, very difficult or it requires some technical proficiency, meaning younger people, to sort of get behind state propaganda. state propaganda is really absolute and -- and it became more absolute in the last month when the last glimmers of independent media were shut down absolutely. and a lot of those reporters, a lot of those editors seeing no, um, alternative left the country
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entirely. >> and you -- you wrote a piece on -- on what is vladimir putin thinking? um, and looked at sort of how his past informs what or may inform what he is doing right now. in what way? >> well, there are a number of elements. first -- first and foremost, he's trained in his reflexes come from the organization that he served for so long which is the state security service, the kgb. not that he was a high-ranking or particularly brilliant analyst but that -- that's thecalthe culture he grew up in and that's the institution that dominates so much of the russian scene, the security services. that's number one. number two, he came to power as not somebody who was especially ideol ideological. certainly had no -- didn't care anything about communism. he -- you know, everybody knew that was a dead letter. but as the years have gone by, he has become -- he has kind of formed an ideology out of this element and that element that i would call a kind of
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pseudo religious nationalism that derives from all kinds of sources and distorted versions of history. and mainly, it's ill liberal. it's posting itself as -- as the anti-poe to liberal democracy and whether it has to do with what he calls sexual minorities or the ballot box, he has posed himself to this. and let's face it. this is not 1989 or 1991 any -- any longer. he has a lot of followers. >> yeah. >> he has followers in hungary. he has followers here. steve bannon thinks vladimir putin is terrific. and who is he? he was chief identitiologist of the former president of the united states. >> david, thank you. >> good to talk to you. >> up next, we have breaking news on the mass shooting over the weekend in sacramento, california. left six people dead. police say they have raent arrested a suspect. manhunt continues for others. we have the latest ahead.
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as the world watches the tragedy in ukraine, oil and gas ceos see an opportunity to get richer. hiking gas prices here at home and profiting off of putin's war. this will continue to happen - as long as we're dependent on oil. americans have had enough. right now, congress can accelerate the transition to clean energy. energy that won't run out. energy that's cheaper for all of us. energy that's made in america to stay in america. congress - let's get it done.
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mass shooting early sunday morning, one of several shootings across the country this weekend that left a total of at least 13 people dead. for more on the killings in sacramento, here's josh campbell. but first a warning, some of the images may be tough to watch. >> reporter: 2:00 a.m., just as bars begin to close, a fight breaks out. then gunfire erupts. police say at least 100 shots are fired, and video from the area shows more than one shooter at the scene. >> we saw a woman. she was running down the street, and she kind of fell back and over. and it looked like she was shot in the stomach area. >> reporter: in all, six people killed, 12 more wounded. and so far, there's no known motive for the deadly shootings. >> we know that a large fight took place just prior to the shootings, and we have confirmed that there are multiple
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shooters. >> reporter: all of it happened within minutes over several city blocks. of the six killed, three were men and three women. the mother of one of the victims sharing her grief. >> my son was a very vivacious young man. fun to be around, liked to party, having fun, smiling all the time. and for this to happen, it's crazy. >> the coach of the golden state warriors reacted with frustration to this latest shooting. >> this is probably the ninth or tenth moment of silence that i will have experienced as coach of the warriors. i don't think moments of silence are going to do anything. >> reporter: a sentiment shared by the sacramento mayor. >> thoughts and prayers are not nearly enough. we must do more. this senseless gun violence must be addressed. how many unending tragedies does it take before we begin to cure the sickness in this country?
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>> reporter: the president issuing a call for action, saying, we must do more than mourn. we must act, ban ghost guns, require background checks for all gun sales, ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines, ban manufacturers immunity from reliability. >> after each mass shooting we hear calls for an end to america's gun epidemic. those rarely lead to actual action. but for those who say the answer is not guns but policing, we need more cops on the street, i'm standing in one of the most protected pieces of real estate in the state of california. this mass shooting took place right by the state capitol and even in an areas swarming with police, even those officers couldn't get here fast enough to save those lives. anderson, law enforcement experts tell us that the key to ending america's gun violence epidemic is not just policing.
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we have breaking news from capitol hill. the u.s. senate voted tonight to move judge ketanji brown jackson's from the committee to a full senate vote. every democrat and republican senator, lisa measure cow ski of alaska. stay with cnn for the latest from ukraine. the news continues. atlanta to hand it over to jake tapper and cnn tonight. jake? anderson, thanks so much. i'm jake tapper, and this is "cnn tonight" live from ukraine on night 40, night 40 of hell. i'm in lviv in the west, but all eyes right now are
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