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he's won five times before, but this would truly be one of the biggest comebacks in sports history. woods has been out of competition for more than a year after a car crash left him with serious leg injuries and fractured his bones directly under the knee. you heard him talk about the challenge of walking. he's expected to return to coincide with the 21st anniversary of his first masters win in 1997. thank you for joining us. "a.c. 360" starts now. goo good evening, we begin with a prediction come true that it won't be for the first time. former president of the country made the prediction just yesterday in the wake of atrocities uncovered in liberated bucha. don't be mistaken, he said. bucha is not alone, and it was not. it would be too much to hope forgiven all we've seen so far, so little prepares you for images like these. this is a town called
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borodianka, north of kyiv. as you will see in his report tonight in addition to the sheer destruction of civilian areas he found graphic evidence of atrocities. so bucha was not alone nor is borodianka according to ukraine's president zelenskyy who addressed the u.n. security council today. >> translator: the massacre in our city of bucha is only one, unfortunately, only one of many examples of what the occupiers have been doing on our land for the past 41 days, and there are many more cities similar places where the world would have yet to learn the full truth. mariupol, kharkiv, chernihiv, and dozens other ukrainian community, each of them is similar to bucha. >> president zelenskyy spoke to spain's parliament invoking hitler and mussolini's bombing in 1937. europe's darkest hours updated for the 21st century.
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as is this from the kyiv area. a little boy, 6 years old in his own backyard. behind him is the makeshift gravesite where his mother was buried. she died, reports say of stress and starvation. the little boy in his own backyard, his dead mother buried there. >> according to the u.n., the confirmed civilian death toll is nearly 1500 with the usual warning that the true number is likely far greater. russia's u.n. ambassador spoke on the subject today telling the security council, quote, not a single civilian surfered from violence, unquote, while bucha was under russian control. >> once again without any evidence based on the presum presumption of guilt the russian army is being accused of some kind ever evil deeds. >> in point of fact the evidence of bucha is plain to see. on the left side is a portion of vividio taken on friday after
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the russians were driven out. you see the bodies in the streets and the man shot on the bicycle. on the right is a satellite photo from several weeks ago when russians controlled the town and you can see the same bodies of civilians in the very same places where they fell. that was while the russians were there. ordinary russians don't get to see evidence like that, of course, nor do they hear the voices of the ukrainians who confront the reality and the nearness and horror of it every single day. people like elena ginnes who we've come to learn since early on in the war. she spokes to what she and now we are being forced to comprehend. >> so i hope that those people who were tortured in bucha became victims and that they're looking at us right now from the skies. they're looking at me. they're looking at you.
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>> as we mentioned, cnn's fred pleitgen and ivan watson is in zaporizhzhia and cnn's kaitlan collins join us. first, we want to bring you fred pleitgen's report and with a warning, it is difficult to watch. >> in a war that russia has unleashed against ukraine, few places have suffered more than borodianka. occupied by vladimir putin's troops since late february recently taken back by the army. >> bored on yanka was held for a very long time and just to give you an idea of the scale of destruction, you have houses like these that were completely destroyed and if you look over here, even large, residential buildings have been flattened. it was connected with this one before ask now there's absolutely nothing left of it. >> the russians made sure to show they owned this town, painting the letter "v" on occupied buildings and defacing
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borodianka's city administration. "v" is what they use to identify their forces that invaded this part of ukraine. oksana constacenko returned here and found russian soldier his been staying in their house. she says they ransacked the place. alcohol is everywhere, she says. empty bottles in the highway under things. they smoked a lot and put out cigarettes on the table. they also showed us the corpse of a man they found in their backyard. his hands and feet tied, severe bruises on his body, a shell casing still nearby. russia claims its forces don't target civilians calling reports of atrocities fake and provocations, but these body collectors are the ones who have to remove the carnage russia's military leaves in its wake. in a span of less than an hour, they found a person gunned down while riding a bicycle, a body burned beyond recognition and a
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man still stuck in his car gunned down with bullet holes in his head and chest. he was believed to be transporting medical supplies now strewn near this road. the most awful thing is those are not soldiers laying there, just people, innocent people, ginadi says, for no reason, i ask. yes, for no reason. killed and tortured for no reason, he says. the road from kyiv to borodianka is lined with villages heavily damaged after russia's occupation, destroyed tanks and armored vehicles left behind, but also indications of just how much fire power they unleashed on this area. >> the russians say this is a special operation, not a war and that they don't harm civilian, but look how much ammunition they left behind simply in this one single firing position here. this is ammunition with heavy
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weapons with devastating effects on civilian areas. >> that devastation cuts through the towns and villages north of kyiv where the number of dead continues to rise, now that vladimir putin's armies have withdrawn, ukraine's leaders believe many more bodies could be burr ed beneath the rubble. >> fred joins me along with ivan watson and caitlan collins. the scenes you saw just horrific. what did you see of the russian soldiers and were there tanks and equipment left behind in all of the towns that you pass through? >> yeah. there was a lot of tanks and equipment left behind in pretty much every town that we went through and all of this flies in the face of the russians telling their population this was some sort of orderly withdrawal. this was something they did on purpose all of the time that they were trying to bind the ukrainian army to prevent them from being able to amass in the east of the country. the russian army was absolutely destroyed by the ukrainians in the area around kyiv and quite frankly, anderson, there's no other way to put it. a lot of those russian soldiers
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were incinerated inside their tanks when they got hit by the ukrainians and russian bodies were left behind and russian yufrms were left behind, as well as it seems some of the russians took off their uniforms and tried to hide, fleeing the scene there, but what we also saw were some of the heavy weapons that were russians were using and that certainly does seem to indicate that the russians were bringing an enormous amount of heavy fire power on to snot jus the ukrainian military, and we were so close to kyiv that it was well within the range of the artillery pieces we saw. in general, when we were in borodianka it seemed to us as though the russians were trying to impose their will on that town and were trying to show that town that they were the ones in charge. it was the "v" symbol the russians painted everywhere. it seemed like some sort of brutal cult had invaded that place and taken control.
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that's how much they tried to impose their symbolism and will on that place, anderson. >> the international community of the red cross have tried to get to mariupol. have they had any success at all? they were trying to get there for a while. >> not only have they not had success. they were detained and they were traveling through the city i'm in right now, zaporizhzhia and on sunday they were trying to lead a convoy to mariupol and they were stopped in the russian-occupied town outside of that overnight and released on monday. the russian defense ministry in the last week said that it did want to assist with the evacuation of civilians from that besieged city that the russians are encircling in the first place and they wanted to work with the united nations and red cross to do it. the russian military is not giving the red cross a neutral
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aid organization access to that besieged city. people are managing to get out of there. again, the ukrainian government estimates that there are more than 100,000 civilians trapped there. the russians do seem to be allowing people to leave in their own private vehicles to other russian-occupied cities and then there are some convoys that are able to take some of these evacuees out back to ukrainian-controlled territory, but for whatever the reason, the russians are not allowing the red cross into mariupol, and given what we've seen around what fred has seen around kyiv, maybe it's because they don't want them to see what is happening in mariupol. >> obviously, we've been covering all of the reports about what has been happening, reports of people having to be buried in backyards, mass graves and obviously to pick up bodies that have been left out unable to be buried privately. kaitlan, the new sanctions coming tomorrow, what do we know
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about them and given the images coming out of ukraine, does anyone think that they will make much of a difference in the short term? >> well, that's part of the issue and the white house has tried to explain that by saying even if they're not going to deter putin and his russian forces, they at least need to put them on in response to these horrifying and powerful images that you're seeing coming out. so you will see this announcement coming from the white house. we are told this is being done in coordination with the other g7 nations and the europe an union. it will come as a ban on new investments in russia and it will be in tightening the already existing sanctions on russian state-owned enterprises, of course, and also, anderson, targeting russian government officials and their family members. one big question that has been raised by that is whether or not the white house will also single out putin's two daughters because there's been this proposal floating around when it comes to the european union the idea of sanctioning his two daughters as well, given to make
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this personal in this package that they are expected to impose tomorrow. so far the white house hasn't said whether or not they are going to be included in this, but it does seem that that is an option that the european union is considering and that's a big question coming to this, and of course, back to what you said. one thing that's been facing the white house ever since it start side whether or not these invasions can actually deter anything. because think, as we've seen, this invasion has continued and gotten more brutal by the day. >> fred, in other conflicts sometimes a retreating force will booby trap bodies and will leave booby traps in vehicles and abandon weaponry behind. are ukrainian forces encountering that? are they worried about that? >> they're worried about it and it's something they're encountering as well especially in bucha. something ukrainian forces have encountered and there are de-mining things working in similar places. you can see some of them on your screen right now. because on the one hand, there
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are still unexploded ordnance laying around. when we're out there we frequently see live tank shells, rpg rounds and tank ammunition laying around. you really have to watch out where you step and civilians go into that area and that's quite dangerous. however, the booby traps are also a problem and something they have to deal with as well. in fact, we were in one compound where they discovered a couple of dead bodies and they specifically warned us that there were areas that could well be booby trapped and they believed they were booby trapped so they have to go very carefully right now to try and find out which areas are safe and make those areas safe and to do that there's a curfew that's in place until april 7th for those areas to make sure that people who live there can go back, but not anybody on top of that, anderson. >> i understand you have new information about the hospitals that have been targeted. >> this is really disturbing. the united nations says that
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since russia invaded ukraine on february 24th, there have been no less than 85 strikes on health facilities in this country. that is more than one a day being targeted and that at least 72 people have been killed in these strikes. the mayor of mykolaiv, this frontline southern ukrainian city posted this video that we can show right now of a parking lot. he identifies this as a pediatric hospital and you can see that the ambulances there get struck by explosives. we're trying to reach out to find out what day this was, what exact hospital this was, but it is notable because the aid organization, doctors without borders had a team in mykolaiv that witnessed an attack, they say, yesterday on the city's oncology hospital and that the attack also hit the nearby
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children's hospital blowing out the windows of the doctors without borders vehicles. the team there saw at least one dead body and several wounded people and doctors without borders says that no less than three hospitals have been hit in that city in just two days. so the pattern here is that health workers and hospitals themselves appear to be deliberately targeted. >> kaitlan, the chairman of the joint chiefs, general mark milley testified before congress about the war today. what did he talk about? >> this is actually really revealing testimony from chairman mark milley. we had heard in jake sullivan, the national security adviser who said this next phase where you are seeing russia reposition their forces and they're intentionally calling it a retreat. he said it could go on for months and milley extended that timeline talking about the conflict and how he believes it can go on for and he said he believes it can go on for years
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talking about what had has looked like and what they intend on doing and he did offer that warning that this will go on and based on assessments that they've made for some time. jen psaki said that's the assessment that's been made by the united states military. so one other thing he said today that really stood out to me, as well is he was talking about what could have deterred putin and we were talking about sanctions and whether the threat of that could make him hesitate in these moves. chairman milley said he drnts think anything could detain putin except u.s. forces on the ground in ukraine and if that was under discussion which president biden said he would not do, he would have advised against it because he believed it would have led against armed conflict with russia. they weren't short of putting united states military on the ground in ukraine. >> interesting. caitlan collins, ivan watson, fred pleitgen, thank you. we'll talk to chuck hagel on
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in addition to president zelenskyy's warning that there will be more discoveries like the horror of bucha to come, there were these striking words from president biden's top military adviser. we touched on this before the break, listen to general mark milley told the house panel today. >> we are witness to the greatest threat to peace and security of europe and perhaps the world. in my 42 years of service in uniform. the russian invasion of ukraine is threatening to undermine not only european peace and stability, but global peace and stability that my parents and a generation of americans fought so hard to defend. >> joining us now is chuck hagel who served as defense secretary during the obama administration and saw combat as a soldier in
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vietnam. secretary hagel, thank you for joining us. if the ukrainian zelenskyy is right and the horrors of bucha will be repeated, do you think the atrocities should impact the u.s.'s role in this war or does it not change anything in terms of the level of involvement on the ground? >> well, thanks for having me, anderson. let me just reflect in answering your question on what general milley said today that you just ran a clip of that. as people watch this raw carnage, the massacres of innocent people and he's right, we haven't seen this since world war ii, there will be consequences. there will be repercussions. there will be more and more demand on the united states and the west to do more as we're seeing, every week it accelerates. do more, do more. more sanctions tomorrow.
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more calls for more weapons, more sophisticated weapons and s-300 missile defense system. you're going have more pressure that will be on the united states and i think it's appropriate. i mean, when we step back and really understand what's going on here, not only have we never seen this since world war ii, but just the humanitarian dynamic of this, the chinese are watching this as it relates to taiwan. the iranians and the north koreans and all countries are watching this and watching the u.s. response to it and the west response to it. >> as it -- if it continues to go on for, you know, years or a year, the risk of fracturing within the nato coalition increases which is obviously the u.s. is concern said enough that president biden went there to keep it shored and together and they've done a good job of keeping it together thus far,
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but how big of a concern is that for you if this goes on and people, you know, stop watching it and stop paying attention to it and just get frustrated and, you know, start to come up with different ideas of what should be done? >> anderson, all those are realities and those are very likely consequences that i was referring to. i mean, you could see that happen. you can see it go the other way. this is so unpredictable and we've never seen anything quite like this in our lifetime so there's no playbook here and that unpredictability leads to a lot of hair-triggered decisions. a lot of accidents can happen. a lot of things happen because the whole world is involved here, and not militarily and certainly through fuel and imports and exports, nobody and
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nobody is getting away from this ore g or get out of it as it continues and the slaughter becomes more immense and more specific, and the united nations today is a good example and people will start taking sides of this and not only are they all going to be affected more and more the longer this goes and just the pressure on the governments of these countries from their people and for doing, what are they going to do? what's the right thing to do? again, the unpredict ability, the instability this this is presenting to the world may be the most dangerous part of this certainly for the people of ukraine it's terrible, terrible, terrible and it can get and i think it will get more dangerous as this thing goes on week after week. >> as i'm sure general milley
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was referring to, ukraine provides a lot of wheat and food for the rest of the world if you have rising food prices in the middle east, rising food prices in africa, that can also spark unrest and be one of the ripple effects of this. >> that's exactly right. russia and ukraine produce a third of the world's wheat in those proportions and what i said is a good example of one dimension of this thing is it goes on and on and on, and you've got parts of the world like the middle east that are not in very good shape either, and there's not much that is going to help them with south america and africa. some of those countries are in trouble. it just feeds into all of that instability and unrest and
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andres and his team of world central kitchen a number of times and they headed to irpin and bucha to help feed people. we shot the photos of those they encountered. they provided more than 13,000 pounds of food and they're planning to do more relief to more towns and villages as they become liberated. just before air i spoke with chef andres about what he saw there. >> jose, thanks for joining us. i know you were deeply affected biwa you saw in bucha and irpin. can you just talk about what it was like there? >> well, when we realized that obviously bucha was free and we were listening about all of the needs and the place there was for 30 days taken by the russian troops, we thought that we had to be there. so i was able to go. we crossed over one of the bridges that was totally destroyed.
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we were able to bring with us 300 meals and we found the mayor of irpin right in the middle of the road. when he realized we were coming with food aid he's the one that told us irpin needs help, but i'm going to take you to this place that needs the most care and this was bucha itself. so we went with him. when we arrived, elderly people, women, some pregnant, a couple of children came up and we were able to use -- give the food away. everybody was giving us such a big hug. sometimes hugs that would go for a minute or longer and they were -- the women were crying. the men were crying, and obviously they were describing at times the horrors of what they went through. the day after -- saturday i was able to in a more organized way to do a bigger convoy and we got
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6,000 kilos of food, 600 hot meals and we were able again to go to the same place plus all of the places around bucha and irpin and since then, every day, the teams of world central kitchen, we were moving slightly north as you see more cities were being liberated bringing aid. today we were 30 minutes, 40 minutes north of bucha delivering food to new cities and very important that we are there right now until the markets are open again and things go back, whatever that means back to normal. >> is this your first time operating in an environment like this, in a country at war? >> yes. totally -- we've been in other situations in the border in venezuela and colombia, in haiti, in moments that i would say rough, but in a war situation like the one we are
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facing, yes. >> seeing something like this really for the first time being in a situation in a country at war for the first time i'm wondering what stands out to you because obviously you've been in places where people are in great need where lives have been up ended and homes have been destroyed and you're in bucha where people's bodies were left in the streets after being slaughtered by russian forces. >> obviously, the horrors of war is not only the men and women fighting the wars that know about it. it's more than that. you know you're in a city where sometimes bombs and missiles are coming down. the ceo of world central kitchen is in kharkiv right now. we have chefs that are feeding people ine kherson.
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we have chefs feeding people too dangerous what they are doing because they're putting lives at risk and what you are realizing in war is that life goes on. people have to eat. people have to survive and people have to hope and what we see is these food fighters, men and women across many restaurants. i think we have right now i'm reading because the numbers keep changing, we have 260 restaur restaurants or catering companies, food trucks and men and women that they are fighting the war in the only way they know which is with food, making sure that the people that need it will have that plate of food. there's risk involved and we are very aware of that. going to bucha myself i realize that we are mines and we have to be careful. we have to be coming in any direction we wanted because there could be a mine waiting for our cars. the dangers are obvious, but i think it is more to bring the danger if we could relief to people that need it the most. it's not just a plate of food
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and it's to send the message that we are with you, that we are going to care for you and we're not going to let you go alone in this dark hour. for me, being there, the world central kitchen teams and volunteers volunteers and chefs all across ukraine sends a very big message. we are with the ukrainian people and we are going to be with them until they win and hopefully they can dream of a better tomorrow. >> chef jose andress, i appreciate it. thank you. >> just ahead tonight we'll take you inside the intensive care of the hospital in the eastern part of ukraine as staffer are tryin desperately to save civilian sosoldiers. you happen to be a dog.
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stand with us. we have some new video that was released today that we want to show you that was taken monday outside of a hospital in the southern city of mykolaiv. ukrainians say this was a russian strike that hit outside a children's hospital. it hit some parked ambulances. there was a team of doctors without boards in the area confirming the strike and there was a strike at a nearby oncology hospital, as well. ivan watson spent time to see the toll that was taken on some of the soldiers and staffer. i want to warn you, some of what you'll see is graphic. take a look. >> shattered bodies in the intensive care unit of a ukrainian hospital.
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men and women from the ukrainian military whose war wounds are so catastrophic they need machines to breathe. these deeply uncomfortable image e a glimpse of the physical toll this conflict is taking on both soldiers and civilians. the general director of the hospital says that after the first couple of days of this new war, at least 30 medical personnel resigned because of just the trauma of seeing these kind of injuries up close. a soldier named uri wants to communicate. >> he can't speak because he's still on a ventilator. he has regained consciousness after 11 days in a coma. >> we won't identify him because doctors say his family does not yet know of his injuries. >> he has one child. a daughter, he signals, 13 years old. writing in my notebook uri tells
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me he's been in the military for two years. >> the doctors say that he has a very good chance of surviving very serious shrapnel injuries to his body. >> we were given permission to film here provided we not name the hospital nor the city that we're in, and that's because the ukrainian authorities fear that that information could lead to the russian military directly targeting this hospital. >> in every room here there's a patient whose bones and tissues have been ripped apart by flying metal. >> vladimir is a volunteer. he signed up on the second day of this war in 2022. >> this electrician turned volunteer soldier comes from the russian-speaking city of kharkiv. three days ago a battle left him with two broken arms and wounds to the stomach. >> vladimir says his sister lives in russia and he no longer communicates with her.
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i asked why. he said she believes that the ukrainians are enemies. this is a family that is split apart by this war and different narratives of who started it. >> vladimir and the soldier with a fresh amputation lying next to him both insist that only force can stop russia's war on this country. down the hall i meet a young civilian also horrifically wounded. dima is 21 years old. where are you from? >> mariupol. >> dima is a recent university graduate ph graduate photographed here with his mother natasha. my mother died when this happened to me adding, i've cried it off already. i'm calmer now. he says on the night of march 9th he and his mother were hiding in the bathroom of a two-story house in the center of mariupol when they heard
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warplanes overhead bombing the neighborhood. mother and son were hiding in the bathroom shortly before 1:00 a.m., he says, when the bomb hit the house. when he woke up, his legs were gone. he never saw his mother again. during my visit, a friend gives dima a phone. >> this is the first time he's seeing the building where he and his mother were sheltering when they were hit. >> the red car here that is destroyed in front of the ruined building was his mother's car. >> translator: of course i get angry, i get depressed at times and i can't lose my cool because those who did this to me they probably want me to sit here crying and weeping. >> don't let the silence in these halls fool you. there is deep, seething anger in this hospital at the country that launched this unprovoked war on ukraine.
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>> ivan watson joins us now. the administrator of the hospital given what we have seen elsewhere in ukraine, they must be fear ful of getting hit themselves. > >>a salutely. if you look at statistics published by the united nations today they say there have been 85 attacks since russia invaded ukraine on health facilities. 85 attacks that killed at least 82 people and that's more than one attack a day, anderson. so the ukrainians have accused of russians of deliberately striking hospitals. bombed in the besieged port city of mariupol. the russian government insists, though, this isn't the case, but it's the sheer evidence that suggests the alternative and the
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organization, the aid organization doctors without borders, they say in three days three separate hospitals have been bombed in another ukrainian city in the past two days and that's mykolaiv. so this is part of why the doctors are so worried that if this information gets out, that they could be targeted and the hundreds of patients inside as well as nurses, doctors, everybody would -- would be terrorized by this type of an attack. >> ivan watson, i appreciate it. thank you. still to come, russian americans worried about their relatives serving the military desperate for information and what they think of this war and how it's impacting their how it's impacting their families next. ...but you can find her, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.
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russia, europe and as far away as the united states. cnn's alex marquardt spoke to some who made the call desperate for information about their loved ones. >> reporter: suburban virginia is a long way from the fighting in ukraine where evidence of war crimes by russian forces is mounting. there's a particular kind of pain felt these days here in the united states by people like marat, russian americans who have relative who are part of russia's invading army. >> i didn't believe this at first. i was shocked. i started calling my relatives to find out if this is true, what's going on. >> reporter: he had found a distant cousin's photos and idea in a chat about russian soldiers in ukraine. marat's family confirm that the cousin who we're not naming had been sent to ukraine but now
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back in russia but have not told him more. you said some of your family members gave you signs not to contact him. what did they tell you? >> they told me that we'll deal with this ourselves. please don't get involved. we'll deal with this within the circle of immediate relatives. >> reporter: after arriving in the u.s. in 2008 marat served for eight years in the u.s. army and became a citizen. he says he and his parents in russia are fiercely anti-war. other relatives, however, are a different story. what does it feel like as a russian american to be watching this conflict go on? >> i think we're all going through this on one hand we have the relatives who cared for us, you know, and on the other hand the same relatives, they support the invasion. it's something that is very hard to deal with. where do you draw the line? for example, if your mother supports the invasion, what do
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you do? i think to answer this question with immediate relatives you just have to work with them. >> reporter: i spoke first with marat when he was in ukraine. ana from brooklyn, new york, whose identity we're protecting had also called looking for her cousin. >> those soldiers that were sent to fight, it wasn't their decision. it wasn't something that they wanted to do. >> reporter: her cousin is so young, around 20 years old, that ana calls him her nephew. he got married late last year. the family thinks he'd been deployed from ukraine's capital, kyiv. >> now we don't have contact with him and don't know what's happened. if he's still alive, if he's well. maybe he's been captured. we don't know. >> reporter: like marat, ana is treated with suspicion, kept at arms length by her family in
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russia because she's against the war. >> i believe there's a war in ukraine, and they just treat it as a military operation, basically. >> they believe the russian army is fighting against nazis like putin says. >> yes, exactly. that's what they've been told and they believe it. and any other information that i'm trying to give them, they think it's fake information. they just think that i'm brainwashed. >> what has this done do you as a person? >> i'm just heartbroken. i feel like i'm very helpless. yeah. because there's nothing i can do or say to change their minds. so many people died. >> many of those people in the devastated ukrainian city of mariupol where ana and her family actually have ukrainian cousins who she has no news from. >> i don't know what's happened
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to my nephew because no one can get in touch with them. and my friends, they're all refugees. >> and anderson, ana told me she doesn't bring up the war with her mother because if she does, they argue or her mother shuts her down. her mother is now one of millions of russians who's getting this fire hydrant of lies from russian state media with little to no independent media. if it's not propaganda then maybe russians will face imprisonment. so there's really this culture of fear now taking root in russia. >> so many families divided. really appreciate the update. coming up ivanka trump voluntarily talking to the january 6th committee. what we know about her testimony next. it works naturally with the water in your body to unblock your gut. free your gut, and your mooood will follow.
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today from key figure ivanka trump. she met voluntarily and virtually with house makers investigating the attack on the capitol. she answered questions and her answers were not especially broad, his words, nor openly chatty. also his words. in addition the chairman is not aware she invoked her fifth amendment rights. they also want her take on his, quote, mental state in the days following january 6th. you may recall she was with her dad. stay with cnn from the latest from ukraine. the news continues. let's go to jake tapper and "cnn tonight." jake? anderson, thank you. this is "cnn tonight." i'm jake tapper and live from ukraine. i'm going to warn you right now much of what you're going to see this hour is graphic and can be disturbing, and that's exactly what president volodymyr zelensky