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justin trudeau, plus ursula vonner did leyen and i'll be back monday nights at 9:00 p.m. eastern. >> you're a great man doing great work. all of this creating a really huge humanitarian crisis. what else are you hearing from ukrainians who have been internally displaced? >> they're very frustrated. not just obviously with putin, they're frustrated with the west. one of the women in the piece did i, one of the internal refugees, yulia, she said sanctions aren't doing anything. we're dying. they're killing kids. i mean, these people are very aware politically of was going on and they just think that not enough is being done to stop
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putin. >> yeah. >> jake tapper, we'll see you soon. be well. >> thanks, buddy. >> this is don lemon tonight. breaking news, we have new, you have to see this. new never before seen images tonight of the brutality, the brutal bloody attack on a train station in eastern ukraine where thousands of desperate people were trying to escape the violence. and i've got to warn you. what you're about to see is graphic and disturbing. we are showing it to you so you can bear witness to what is being done to the people ukraine, the mothers, father, friends, neighbors, people who never wanted this war. victims of vladimir putin's unprovoked invasion. we warm you so you can prepare yourself. but out do you prepare yourself for this? here it is. the bodies of people outside the station lying where they died to blood-stained pavement. and this is really too awful to show without blurring the image
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here. a charred body lying on the ground next to a destroyed car in the station parking lot. more bodies presumably gathered by rescue workers, laid out on plastic sheets. a man dead, surrounded by abandoned luggage. the region's governor is saying at leaf 50 people died in the assault today. five of them children. nearly 100 taken to hospitals. all of them just trying to stay alive. president zelenskyy saying this. >> translator: we expect a if i recall global response to this war crime. like the massacre in bucha, like many other war crime, the missile strike on kramatorsk must be at the war crimes tribunal. >> this was a well known hooubl for thousands of people trying to three. here's how the station looked on monday. and here's how it looked today.
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after putin's forces slaughtered civilians trying to evacuate. what kind of twisted mission is this? he bombed their homes, their kindergartens, their hospitals, you murder starke people in the streets when they're trying to get fad. you leave their bodies where they fell. and now when they do the only thing they can do, run for their lives, you rain down death from the skies? this is graphic, too. look. you may not understand a word. you don't have to understand the words to hear the terror in their voices. thousands trying to escape.
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the russians knew that. and today, they blew them up. right away, to cnn's chief anchor christiane amanpour. hello to you. this is awful. one moment, a crowded train stations with civilians trying on get to safety. the next, dozens massacred including children, and for what? give us the latest. >> reporter: it is awful and horrible to see again and again and horrible to listen to as well. the terrified scream. the mayor of kramatorsk told us this morning, immediately after this when we contacted him. for the last two weeks, this has been a well known hooubl for these evacuees from the east where russia has started its second phase of this, as it calls, big assault on the east. and he said, 8,000 people per day were crowding into that station and getting evacuated.
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up to 8,000. today he said, up to 4,000 were waiting. can you imagine missiles, missiles, americans call them ss 21s, the ukrainians have a name for them. this is what rained down on these people who were just trying to get out of war zonal. here's the report. you can their fear and the anguish. you can see the desperate efforts to rescue civilians after an attack on this train station in the eastern city of kramatorsk. a crowded platform hit by russian missile strikes as people tried to escape heavy fighting. russians forces struck the station building itself. the head of the railway told cnn. now dozens are dead including children and many people remain unaccounted for. i asked ukraine's chief of military tension for his reaction. >> what can i say?
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this is another example of criminal activity, of war criminal dictator putin. it is in our case that i hope that would be added to the criminal investigation against him in the international courts, conducting powerful missile strike against the civilian infrastructure during the evacuation of civilians. it is an act of terrorism. >> reporter: in the hours and days before this attack, the station was crowded with thousands of refugees. kramatorsk has been a hub for internally displaced people in the donetsk region. families desperately trying to escape the russian assault. now, body bags and abandoned luggage are all that remain. the hundreds wounded are one step further from evacuation. painted on the side of this deadly rocket were the words, for the children. a chilling message the european commission president tells me
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just strengthens her resolve to make sure vladimir putin fails in ukraine. >> if you look at the attack today at the train station, i was shown pictures where the shelling had written on a four-hour, it mean like revenge for our children. they are building indeed this awful narrative, as if they would be returning something. a night player. >> reporter: russia has denied responsibility for the strike, calling it a provocation by ukraine. but the brutality is well documented, despite russia's military consistently denying attacking civilians. kramatorsk was one of the first places targeted when the russian invasion was launched february 24th. ? why do they need this war against ukraine? why do they need to hit civilians with missiles? why this cruelty that the world has witnessed? bucha and other cities, liberated by ukraine army?
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>> reporter: on 48, ukraine announced ten humanitarian corridors including one in the donetsk region. but civilian casualties are increasing every hour that russia's bombardments continue. so as i am, you saw it here, she said the allies every time including americans, every time there is this horror, whether it was the awful massacre at the station, now yesterday, or whether it was the terrible, terrell reveals of what happened around kyiv, around this capital where i am when the russians were forced back, she said all of that simply spurs the allies to make it harder and more painful for putin, and to really sort of hasten their attempts to punish him. but clearly, it hasn't deterred him yet. and they're, they keep ratcheting up the sanctions and
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they keep saying that they will provide ukraine with the kind of defense that it needs to now meat this new offensive in the east. >> let's talk more about that. be specific about what they're doing. it is because, it is one atrocity after another. how will the west respond to this? europe has already approved five rounds of sanctions against russia since the invasion began. i'm sure we will see more. >> reporter: you're right. five rounds. the fifth was announced today. what it is doing is basically ratcheting up the energy sector because as you know, russia is entirely dependent for its economy on its natural resources. so that is oil, gas, coal, and the like by and large. and europe is weaning itself. it has already announced a ban on russian coal. it is vastly reducing its dependence on russian gas and trying to fill that gap from the
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united states. lng, they call it, from the united states. this was an zbraemt with ursula made in that e.u. summit in brussels about two weeks ago. then there is oil. because apparently, apparently europe spends 1 billion euros per day to russia for energy and oil is the most expensive part of that. so they have to wean themselves off russian oil as well, which they say they're going to do. >> every day, as you're there reporting. they're sending more and more video back. it seems like it is more evidence of war crimes. the question is, will there be more accountability? it is evidence of war crime. >> reporter: i'll put it out there, there will be. i've covered these most egregious insubstantials,
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whether it was bosnia, rwanda, there were tribunals set up. it is difficult, it is long, painstaking. evidence has to be collected and that takes a long time. witnesses have to be willing to come forward and it is not always obvious. they do accept often, well, except if they're very scared or women who have been raped and the like don't want to come forward and there are many allegations of that here as well. but the most difficult part of it is, essentially proving command responsible. that it was intentional and that it came from the top. either that, or proving that no due concern and care was taken to avoid civilians and those kinds of targets. however, you know, we have seen these crimes prosecuted in international forums, and whether it takes a long time or not, i believe that it will actually happen.
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that is what is happening right now. they are collecting evidence. the ukrainian prosecutor general and the infrastructure here also collecting evidence. we've seen so much from drone video, security video, satellites, there is a lot of evidence these days with all the platforms available to record it. >> on the ground for us in kyiv. thank you, christiane. please be safe. we'll see you soon. now i want to bring in dalton bennett, an investigative reporter for the "washington post" and he was at the train station in the moments right after the attack. thank you for joining us. you're okay, correct? >> reporter: i am. i am safe. >> you arrived at the train station 15 minutes after the strike. your report described a gruesome, chaotic season. the images are so incredibly disturbing. tell us more about what you saw. >> reporter: yes. we arrived 15 minutes, we
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arrived to the station 15 minutes after the strike took place. and it was truly scenes of chaos and utter depravity. there were bodies gathered on the side of the train station by the time we arrived and we were able to make it to that area. we encountered 20 bodies that were gathered. they were covered in green arm thes. they're, in green tarps. there were two children. all around on the platform were bags, personal effects, everything from children's toys to bags of fad that had been gathered for the long journey ahead for the hundreds of evacuees that were in this area where the missile had struck.
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there was blood everywhere. there were children toys soaked in blood. the strike actually had taken place, when it exploded. there were two areas on the train platform where large groups of people were waiting because there was a seating area. you saw that the benches had been eviscerated by shrapnel. the seats, these evacuees once were, were covered in blood and around those chairs, all that was left was their bags that had been left behind. their luggage. when they fled for their lives if they did survive. >> did you see anything like this ever? >> reporter: i've worked in other conflict zones in libya and gaza and other places that just the amount of people that
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were injured and killed in a single incident, i had never seen anything like this before. i've spent the past ten days reporting working in and out of the eastern ukraine's donbas region. it was well known that thousands and thousands of civilians were using this facility, were leading the requests of local authorities in evacuating from the region. and it is just stunning. obviously, i'm at a loss for words, why somebody would write a message for the children, and launch a rocket toward an area that they knew civilians were present. large numbers of civilians were potentially present. >> oh! i'm not sure i know what to say.
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what were witnesses saying? there were witnesses, i'm sure. what were they saying? >> reporter: people, the people that we spoke with, i mean, everybody just wanted to leave. they were -- what they described is first a large explosion. a large explosion, and those that were able, many packed inside the actual train facility itself, they heard this loud explosion. and some were able to seek cover and some were knocked immediately to the ground. after the large explosion, witnesses described a series of explosions that took place afterwards. one woman we spoke with, she was actually inside the station.
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the explosion occurs. it shatters the glass, launching shards into the crowd. mostly women and children are inside the training facility. she actually ran outside because she knew her son was outside. he was in one of the area that was hit the worst. she discovered her son on the ground, covered in human remains. a person had fallen on top of him after the initial shock wave, after the initial blast, and fortunately for him, even though he was severely injured by the shrapnel, the person that fell on top of him shielded him from the majority of the blast and he was able to survive. she arrives outside, finds her son in this state. can't tell really where he's injured because he is injured all over his entire body. and then begins to put a turn
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kit on her son's leg. she describes walking outside, seeing bits of body parts, limbs, legs, a person missing their head outside. another witness that we talked on just described the screaming. everyone was screaming. that's all i heard was the screaming. i mean, people were truly stunned, right? it's, in this situation, i mean, it is just difficult to try to get people to explain even what they saw. they lack the words to describe it. just the chaos of the situation. yeah. it was one of the worst and most gruesome events i've ever witnessed. >> you're at a loss for words, dalton. >> reporter: yeah. i really struggle. where they're reporting you
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know, this is a region that i've spent a lot of time in and i'm very familiar with, the violence and the brutality of this conflict. we were at the hospital. we saw just the crush of casualties coming in. children, with serious head injuries. you know, doctors, surgeons preparing to amputate -- >> can i jump in really quickly here? you mentioned you were at the hospital where they were treating victims. i think we have a photo that we want to put up here. were they able to handle it? >> the hospital was completely overrun. we're talking casualties reaching almost 100 people. it is a small, there are two
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small hospitals in the city. one of the hospitals we were at was treating over 40 patients. they were injured patients in the hallway. their five operating rooms were filled with people that had been injured. seriously, grievously injured. suffering catastrophic injuries from the shrapnel. we saw basically, any available hands were helping to save these people's lives. we saw medics, military medics. we saw volunteers, nurses, everybody doing whatever they could to save this crush of casualties. >> yeah. dalton bennett, reporter for the "washington post." arrived 15 minutes after the attack. was on the season.
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dalton, thank you. i'm sorry you had to witness this. obviously, the real sorrow goes to the people who were affected by it, had a were there themselves witnessing it, injured and those who lost their lives. thank you. appreciate it. be well. take care of yourself and be safe. russia knew it was packed ukrainian civilians fleeing to safety. what does this tell us? >> it is again, a piece of the russian brutality and the prosecution of this war, and their carelessness for trying to avoid civilian harm.
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heavy. boy, oh, boy. so let's talk about how people can defend themselves. the u.s. says the weapon that killed at least 50 people was a ballistic missile fired from inside the country. the ukrainian officials are accusing russia of using cluflter munitions. what does this say to you about russia's current capabilities? and what ukraine should be prepared for next? >> this is a relevant interesting question. let's take a look quickly at the remains of the rocket. these are the remains of an ss 21, basically a smaller missile that can hit targets in a fairly middle range, somewhere between 40 to 60 miles an hour out. as you mentioned, this was fired from the territory into the
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train station. let's to go this map instead. this is kramatorsk. this map tells you a little about what's going on. this is where the russians are coming down if they stay with their plans to go into slovianks. what could happen here if they join from the south. these areas are in the path of what the russians want to do. they want this territory because it is part of the eastern area. the donbas region they occupied before but they wanted to occupy even more of that. and bring the lane to about here. if they do that, that will be part of the goal. their whole mission is to take territory. they really don't care whether or not they hit civilian targets. >> they don't care, obviously. this was a big hub for evacuating people.
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thousands passing through every single day. the russians knew this. why would they target this? for the children. why would they do that? >> well, they would do it because they want to instill terror into the hearts and minds of the people in ukraine. they believe that by controlling them mentally in this way, using terror as a weapon, by actually doing the things they did with an attack on kramatorsk and all the things they've been doing. in the bigger sense, whether it is in kyiv, in and around kyiv and all the areas there. in kharkiv, in kherson, in mariupol, all of these different incidents that you see here, and ones we haven't mentioned yet. they all indicate there's one big goal. that is to terrorize the ukrainian population, to
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eliminate as much of them as possible and to do in a way that leaves us from the outside looking in breathless that revulsion. that's what they're doing. that's what's going on. >> this is not the first time that the first attack on civilians. we've seenle. what does it say about the russian military that they are willing to kill this many innocent people? >> well, from a modern standpoint, it shows that it is an unprofessional military. a professional military avoids civilian casualties as much as possible. will there be mistakes? yes. do people make mistakes? of course they do. to deliberately target civilians is something that goes against the laws of war. it also goes against the whole premise of what needs to be done in a conflict. you go after military targets. you want to win hearts and minds. they're doing the exact opposite. that is a real problem. not only for the ukrainians
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directly but a problem for the russians. if they get on occupy any of these territories here. >> thanks as always. appreciate it. >> you bet. so the training station attack showing the fighting in the east is intensifying. but russian forces have shown big losses and now we're learning that they're trying to recruit ten of thousands of new troops. you can already have it and not know it. if you have chronic kidney disease your kidney health could depend on what you do today. ♪far-xi-ga♪ farxiga is a pill that works in the kidneys to help slow the progression of chronic kidney disease. farxiga can cause serious side effects including dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections in women and men, and low blood sugar. ketoacidosis is a serious side effect that may lead to death. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this bacterial infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis.
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the russian missile strike at the station, the train station in kramatorsk today, leaving at least 50 civilians dead. the latest brutal attack on ukraine by vladimir putin. joining me now to discuss this, the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. that's william taylor. appreciate you joining us, and to discuss these images coming in. what has happened. president zln is warning it will get worse. what does it tell that you russia is continuing to target civilians in all of this? >> it is exactly as you've said. it is horrible. its unbelievable. you can't look at it. it is, for this kind of massacre, there are no words for
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it. no words for it. and you're right. there does suggest the russians are desperate. they know they're losing on the ground. the ukrainian military has pushed the russians out of kyiv. they've pushed them into russia. so the ground war, the ukrainians are doing great and the russians are doing terrible. the russian units are now beaten up. having to withdraw into belarus and russia to repair and refit and regroup. whereas the ukrainians are riding high. volunteers are being turned away. they can't keep up with the number of people signing up to join the army. they couldn't be more different. >> listen, let's be realistic here. yes, everything you said is true.
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but the ukrainians are still being bombarded. what happened at kramatorsk is still happening. if you look at mariupol. bucha, all of these places. people are still dying by the hundreds, by the thousands. so yes. they're pushing them back. but russia is slowly decimating their country. at what point is, okay, so my question is at this point is a direct involvement by nato, by the u.s. by the west. is it inevitable? it appears that way. >> of course, we are directly involved. we don't have pilots in the air
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or on the ground. we are taking everything out of our stockpiles and giving it to the ukrainians. you're right. they are fighting our fight. they are fighting the russians. and in the first instance, for themselves, but also for europe and for us. so we are engaged. i used to be in the 82nd airborne. they're there. i'm sure they're watching really closely what is going on. so you're right to be frustrated and you're right to be angry. we are all angry and disgusted. >> real quickly, the negotiations. how do you, how does one go to a negotiating table, even start to talk to people who are doing this? how does that happen?
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>> it doesn't happen. there is nothing that the ukrainians can get from the russians. the ukrainians have been serious. they've tried. the russians have come and lied. the russians have not been straightforward. they haven't been able to negotiate. so there is no real negotiation. and trying to negotiate with people who do this. whose military does this. it doesn't matter. these are the russians that they are representing russia. so it is hard to imagine that short of a cease fire, short of a real cease fire, that there is any negotiation. >> thank you. i appreciate it. we'll see you soon. ukraine's president calling on the e.u. to do more to sanction moscow as europe is hook russian gas.
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ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy delivering a mention to the european union saying their sanctions against russia are not enough. this week they voted on a ban of all russian energy imports but it is nonbinding and it seals like russian gas which is critical to germany and many other european countries is off the table for now. joining me now, new york time columnist and nobel laureate, paul, thank you for joining us. europe is struggling with competing demands. they have to push back against russian aggression. but at the same time, they're pouring money into russia's coffers for their own energy needs. is that counter productive if it is hitting russia where it hurts? >> yeah. it is. at this point we have to say that putin isn't going to stop this until he is absolutely forced to, or until the
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russians, one way or another, get rid of him. what makes it possible for russia to continue this war is the money it gets from selling energy to europe. there are other things out there but it boils down tom. the critical things are the natural gas sales to germany. mostly germany is the issue. the germans are not willing to take the hit from cutting off those sales, then this goes on and on and on. >> i mean, you would think, like the atrocities that are happening on the ukrainian people, that people would want to somehow compromise, or especially in this situation, germany of all places, considering the history. >> yeah. and more recent history as well. there was a debt crisis a decade ago and the germans were moralizing their finger at
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greece and spain and portugal and saying you've been irresponsible and you need to pay the price of your irresponsibility. well, germany irresponsibly made itself dependen on russian gas. people have been warning them about that dependency for 40 years. i spent a bref time in the u.s. government in the '80s and people were warning them about it back then. now the germans are saying we can't afford to take that hit. what about the morality that you said other countries have to obey? i mean, it is not easy but it's not impossible, you know? it is a modern economy with a lot of flexibility. the germans can do this if they're willing to. >> you write about it. you have a new piece entitled, how putin became germany's enabler. german officials say cutting off russian gas would be catastrophic for their economy. you say, that is an
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exaggeration. >> yeah. there have been multiple analysis now. there have been mathematical, economic analysis largely but german economists. there have been point by point, what can we do to replace or do without the russian gas, places like that the institute in brussels that have all found, yeah, this is painful. this would hurt but it wouldn't crash the economy. nothing like the suffering imposed on, say, greece which germany demanded austerity policies. it is 55th% of german gas that comes from russia. they can do without that. it will hurt. but there are a lot of ways in which you can substitute a way, you can make do. and you will take some significant pain but it can be done. and mass murder seems to be
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something that ought to be responded to by willing willing to make a few sacrifices. >> i'm wondering how this happened. the rabuble has regained most o its losses. how is that possible? >> well, part of the money is that the money is still flowing in. while the russians have been cut off from a lot stuff, from a lot of international banking, there's still all that money flowing in for oil and especially gas. so they do have hard currency, basically dollars and euros coming in. and they've imposed a lot of restrictions. it is very hard for russians to take their money out of the country. very hard for foreign investors to take money out of country. so the russians have done emergency measures which are painful. but not enough to bring them to, not enough to lead to collapse.
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as long as those exports are unimpeded, then russia has a nasty but manageable problem. and the job of everybody, i think we are talking about the free world now. this is israel free world against vladimir putin -- this is the free world against vladimir putin. if the free world isn't willing to make a few sacrifices, then we're not doing our job. >> thank you. celebrating a moment of real change. judge kentanji brown jackson can he white house, marking her family's journey from living under segregation to her supreme court appoinintment. the sleep number 360 smart bed is on sale now. why choose proven quality sleep from sleep number? because the sleep number 360 smarbed is really smart. it senses your movement, and automatically adjusts to help keep y both comfortable all night. it's also temperature balancing, so u stay cool.
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. the white house celebrating judge ketanji brown jackson's
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historic confirmation to the supreme court. here's what judge jackson said about why this moment matters. >> it has taken 232 years and 115 prior appointments for a black woman to be selected to serve on the supreme court of the united states. but we've made. we've made it, all of us. all of us. >> judge jackson also recognizing all those who helped her achieve something she says her grandparents could never have imagined. >> no one does this on their own. the path was cleared for me so that i might rise to this occasion. and in the poetic words of dr.
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maya angelou, i do so now while bringing the gifts my ancestors gave. i -- i am the dream and the hope of the slaves. i strongly believe that this is a moment in which all americans can take great pride. we have come a long way toward perfecting our union. in my family it took just one generation to go from segregation to the supreme court of the united states. >> all right now. judge jackson will replace
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justice steven breyer when he retires from the highest court this summer. congratulations. in ukraine outrage growing over a russian attack on a train station where civilians were trying to flee. the latest on the ground. that's next. plus cnn's frederick pleitgen goes to the chernobyl plant where invading russian soldiers may have been exposed to dangerous radiation.
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this is don lemon tonight. we're getting new details on the brutal massacre of innocent civilians at a train station in eastern ukraine today. the video you're about to see is graphic and disturbing but it shows the horrors of putin's war.

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