tv Don Lemon Tonight CNN April 14, 2022 7:00pm-8:00pm PDT
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thanks so much for watching us live here in ukraine. i'll see you tomorrow on "the lead" live in ukraine beginning at 4:00 p.m. eastern. and please join me this sunday at 9:00 a.m. eastern. don lemon starts right now. hey, don. >> i understand you moved from kyi lviv to kyiv in the west. how long did that take? >> it took a long time. we had to stop for a lot of traffic especially outside of town because of all the checkpoints. then about an hour outside of kyiv, you start to see all the evidence of the bombings. you see burnt-out tanks and just
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destruction, gas station blown up, industrial buildings blown up. it's like an industrial area, kind of like a lower middle class industrial area like queens, new york or something, except entire blocks wiped out, bombings, really surreal and upsetting. >> be safe, jake. get some rest. we'll be watching you tomorrow. we're in a race against time right now in ukraine. forces gathering on both sides. a russian invasion of eastern ukraine could come any day now. a senior pentagon official telling cnn the first russian troops to leave the north are now showing up in the east, ahead of what is expected to be a major push by thousands of vladamir putin's 40s. widespread shelling reported by ukranian military officials, and there is talk of what once would have been unthinkable: nuclear weapons. the cia warning we cannot afford to take the threat of tactical nukes for granted.
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this is big, what looks like a victory for ukraine, in fact, a huge embarrassment for vladamir putin who is not likely to take this well. we told you last night about the russian warship, the pride of russia's whole black sea fleet, and how ukraine set it hit the moskva with two anti-tank missiles. now russia's military of defense said the ship sank. here's a statement, and i quote, during the towing of the cruiser mosvka, the ship lost visibility due to the detonation of ammunition. in the conditions of storm seas, the ship sank, the moskva which reportedly cost $750 million. now, here's the most recent view of the ship before it sank. in a satellite image, this is from maxar.
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sources familiar with western intelligence tells cnn ukraine claims its missiles sank the moskva, although resources do not have definitive proof. cnn is not able to verify what caused the damage to the ship, but who could forget when a russian officer on the moskva tried to force ukranian soldiers on the island to surrender. [ bleep ]. >> by the way, fred pleitgen live for us tonight in kyiv. intensive fighting in ukraine. what is happening on the ground in ukraine right now? >> reporter: don, a lot of this is happening in the region around kharkiv, the greater kharkiv area where the local government has said there is a lot of shelling over the past couple of hours. i would say really throughout this entire day. that's going to the city of kharkiv but south of there as well, and that's where many people believe that big russian offensive is really already
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taking shape and probably the early parts of it have already started. there is a town there called izyum, and it started southwest. about ten days ago we saw this around the kyiv area which since had to withdraw under stiff resistance from the ukrainians. russia is apparently training them up to begin that large-scale offensive in eastern ukraine, but they also say there are additional russian forces that are already scoping out possible battlefields in the east of ukraine, again, on top of the forces that he already has inside of eastern ukraine that already have shelling positions in kathe kharkiv area and killing civilians as well, don. >> you spoke exclusively to ukraine's national security adv adviser. what did he tell you about it?
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>> he said unequivocally the ukrainians nailed that ship. he said it was neptune missiles that the ukrainians actually developed themselves, further development of a soviet missile that ukrainians simply made better. he said it was two missiles that hit this ship. he said it was highly damaged, and later we find out from the russian that they themselves are saying it sank. i want to listen in a little bit about what the national security told me. can you tell us what happened to the cruiser moskva. it sanction, he said jokingly. the moskva was on black sea island and was hit by ukranian missiles. then a warning to putin. this is just the beginning, he says. there will be more than one moskva. >> so ukrainians were very proud of the fact that was ukrainians-made missiles that
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hit that ship. other things we're also hearing is russian ships in that area -- we began talking about this, i recall, when you were here in country as well that the russians were forcing some of those forces. apparently some of those russian ships have now moved further away from the ukrainians shores. that could also be or probably is an effect of the fact that ship got struck by missile, don. >> so many people see this war as a david versus goliath story. how is russia's national security adviser thinking about russia's army and its capabilities right now? >> reporter: they think david is getting a lot of weapons from another goliath, and that is the united states. i think those weapons are making a big difference, and i think the ukrainians understand and see the fact that especially the heavy weapons that are among this new package the biden administration put together, those are going to be very
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important. nevertheless, they said, yes, we managed to beat the russians back here in the kyiv area, but they also said this is still an extremely dangerous and very strong force the ukrainians will have to deal with. let's listen in. >> translator: i would never say that the russian army is weak, he says, given the amount of weapons thrown there, the number of tanks, armored personnel carriers, planes and helicopters. i would not say this is a weak army. i would say these are strong ukrainians soldiers who fight back such a powerful army. >> and we did actually see some of those ukrainians soldiers that fought around here in the kyiv area today, and they are indeed gearing up to move to the east of the country. the ukrainians saying we've already moved additional forces to the east to try to hold up that russian offensive. so everything, don, is gearing up for a malice siessive battle east of this country, don. >> retired air force colonel
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cedric leighton. sir, thank you very much for joining us once again. the moskva at the bottom of the black sea tonight, and ukrainians and russians believe russia's claim that the missile hitting the moskva is credible. that's a big blow. >> yes, it is, don. in fact, it happened here at snake island where the ukrainians had those famous words that we all know about. here is the picture of the moskva in port before anything happened to it, and you can see that it really is one of the most impressive war ships that they have. it has missile capabilities, these are cruise missiles, they have the possibility of other missiles on board here, and a lot of armaments. in fact, some of the weapons they have are anti-ship missiles plus various machine guns and
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torpedo tubes and, of course, an amazing suite of radar. this ship, you know, is known not only for its firing capability and its ability to really bring naval power to bear on a particular coastline, but it is also -- was also a command and control ship for the black sea fleet. it was, in fact, the flagship, like you mentioned, of the black sea commander, and the fact that it sunk is a victory for ukrainians when it comes to the naval battle around the coast of odesa and along the black sea coast. this does make a huge difference. >> it certainly does. the pentagon said there were almost 500 sailors on board. would there be a substantial loss of life from a ship like that sinking? >> very leaikely, yes. they said they had saved a lot of the crew on board, but when something like this happens,
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it's really rare for everyone to be saved, and especially in a situation like this. i would guess that there were some casualties. >> how will the loss of this ship change the way russian forces approach this war? i know it was packed with a lot of essential weapons and equipment, but what does it change? >> so there are two other ships that have the same kind of weaponry that the moskva had. in essence what you're talking about is reducing the capability by about a third that the russians had off of the black sea coast. it also affects the entire russian navy, frankly. so it minimizes their capability. it actually makes it more difficult for them to go after land targets from the sea, and that could have implications for their efforts against odesa and their efforts against other areas near the sea of a sdpl --
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azad, for example. >> what do you think the russians are trying to accomplish here? >> one of the things i thought about when it comes to kharkiv, don, they could possibly be trying to surround kharkiv. this is ukraine's second largest city. it is a very important place and it's basically the center of the northeastern area. izyum is another town right here, and this town is also the scene of increased shelling, increased movement of russian troops, and it sounds, based on the reporting that we're hearing, that they are using these efforts to possibly encircle both kharkiv and izyum as a way to establish reconnaissance capabilities and test out the balttlefield in these areas. they're looking at this as a way
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they can go into this area right here. this is the other part of the donbas which they don't have yet, which the russians don't have yet. so if they go through izyum, if they go around car kharkiv, if do all of these things from the north, from the east and from the south, what they could very well end up doing is cutting off ukranian forces that weigh against them here. that would be dangerous for the ukrainians, so the ukrainians have to be careful as all of this moves forward, but we could see the ukrainians move their forces in and potentially forestall russian advances in these areas. >> all right. colonel, thank you very much. i appreciate it. thanks. >> you bet, don. absolutely. as russia forces mass in eastern ukraine, desperate people are running out of time to escape their home. clarissa ward has a report from one town where the russian shelling never seems to stop.
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>> reporter: the town of adivka is no stranger to war. eight years this has been the front line of ukraine's battle with russian-backed separatists. people here are used to shelling. they have never experienced anything like this. a missile can be heard overhead as afternoon emotional m-- an emotional man approaches us. >> reporter: they smashed the old part of town, he says. as we talk, the artillery intensifies. >> re i told him it's better to go home now because of the shelling, and he says there's more shelling where he lives. oz russia prepares a major offensive in the east, towns
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like adivka are getting pummelled. so you can hear constant bombardment. this is the bomb shelter down here, but you can see this building has already been hit. more than 40 people are now living in what used to be a clothing store. leta and her two sons have been here for three weeks. she wants to leave but says her boys are too scared to go outside. we're afraid to stay and afraid to go, she tells us. but it's fate whether you run or don't run. in an apartment block, an icon of the virgin mary has been painted. a plea for protection, but there is no respite in the bombardment. if we look over here, you can see the remnants of some fresh str
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strikes. 37-year-old government worker ratislav looks at what remains of his family home. he takes us inside to see the full scale of the destruction. it's completely destroyed. mercifully, no one was at home at the time of the strike. his family has already left, but he says he plans to stay. i'm afraid like anybody else. only the dead aren't afraid, he tells us. but a lot of people are still here in adivka, living in bomb shelters, and we need to support
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them. authorities say roughly 2,000 people remain in this town. there is no water, no heat, electricity is spotty. a local school has become a hub to gather aid and distribute it to the community. volunteer igor spends his days visiting the elderly and disabled. today he is checking in on 86-year-old lydia. petrified and alone, he has yet to find an organization willing to come and evacuate her. when there's no electricity and it's so dark and there's shelling, she says, you can't imagine how scary it is. she tells us she recites prayers to get through the night. i never imagined that my end would be like this, she says. you can't even die here because there's no one to provide a burial ceremony. for igor, it is agony not to be
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able to do more. i promise you, he says, i will help you to be evacuated. as we leave, lydia is reluctant to say goodbye. it is terrifying to live through this time. to do it alone is torture. so nice to see real people, she says. probably it's going to get worse. a prediction all but certain to come true as a second russian offensive draws near. don, we also spoke to the mayor of adivka who says he has desperately been urging people to try to evacuate in anticipation of this offensive, which is expected to begin really any day now. but the people that we spoke to on the ground, even those who wanted to leave said that it's simply not feasible.
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they don't have the money, they don't have a place to go, and that's really lydia's situation as well. she wants desperately to get out of her home and to have proper assistance, but so far there is just no one who can come and take care of her. don? >> clarissa, thank you so much. absolutely heartbreaking there. next, fears vladamir putin may double down and resort to nuclear weapons in the wake of his setbacks on the war.r. ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-cond scan i know mglucose numbers without fingersticks. now i'm managing my diabetes better and i've lowered my a1c from 8.2 to 6.7. take the mystery out of managing your diabetes and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free at freestylelibre.us
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russia admitting its prize worship is under water tonight, claiming it sank after an explosion on board. they're denying a ukranian strike was responsible even though the u.s. believes it is credible. it's another major blow to vladamir putin's forces on the 50th day of his war in ukraine. there is so much to discuss with foreign ambassador to ukraine, and that's william taylor. thank you, ambassador, good to see you this evening. >> good to see you. >> how do you think vladamir putin is reacting to this
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massive war ship sinking, and who should get the blame, i might ask? >> putin has been humiliated. he's been humiliated on the ground around kyiv, and now he's humiliated on the sea by a ukranian missile that they created themselves, they manufactured themselves. he has not been able to achieve what he's gone out to do in any of the areas. they've moved to the south, of course. even mariupol continues -- as you say, 50 days on. nobody expected this heroic city to still be standing, and it is. so president putin cannot be happy. i saw that r.t., your counterpart in russia, r.t. is calling the sinking of that ship a planned sinking. so this is just humiliating for the russians, don. >> the cia director william burns spoke today. watch this.
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>> given the potential desperation of president putin and the russian leadership, given the setbacks they've faced so far militarily, none of tus can take lightly the threat to resort to tactical nuclear weapons or low-yield nuclear weapons. >> do you think putin using nuclear weapons is a real possibility? >> of course, it has to be considered a real possibility. and anything that bill burns says, you listen to very, very carefully. but they roll out this nuclear threat regularly. we heard ma deyev say the same thing when he heard finland and sweden were considering joining nato. they're a nuclear power, they don't need to remind us, we know
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that, and we have to be ready, but we have to be calm and take the right measures. >> the deputy chairman of russia's security council also raising the specter of nuclear weapons if sweden and finland join nato. i quote, there can be no more talk of a nuclear-free status for the baltic. the balance must be restored. what do you think the russians are trying to accomplish with this nuclear sabre rattling? >> the russians seem to be trying to intimidate the swedes and the fins and their interest in securing themselves by joining nato. of course, the russians are doing exactly the opposite. by this sabre rattling, as you say, the fins and the swedes are understanding -- they understand that there is a big threat to their east. russia is a threat. the way to defend themselves, they figured, as the ukrainians did before them, is to join the
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nato alliance. >> i want to get your take on ukrainians authorities saying they seize the 154 assets from detained putin ally viktor medvechek. this includes 36 cars, 20 plots of land, 32 homes, 32 apartments and a yacht. how big a deal is this for ukrainians? >> this is a big deal, don. this is a big deal. one of the things president zelenskyy made top of his list when he ran for president back in 2019 was to go after corrupt oligarchs. you could add corrupt russian oligarchs. medvechek is clearly in that category. one of his kids is the godson of president putin, so they're that close. and that kind of wealth is exactly what president zelenskyy was going after. it's clearly corrupt, ill-gotten wealth, and president zelenskyy is going after medvechek and
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others. >> listen, president zelenskyy has posed a prisoner swap with russia for captured ukrainians prisoners of war. do you think putin will go that far? >> there have been some prisoner swaps, don, and president putin apparently has a real affinity, a friendship, some close relationship with medvechek. so that's very possible. president putin puts very high importance on all of his soldiers, and getting them back into ukraine is very important to him, so it's a swap that he can propose. >> i like the way you said "medvechek." president biden says he is in the process of making a decision on sending a senior u.s. official to ukraine. what would you advise him to do?
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>> a senior official in ukraine sends exactly the right signal of support. we've seen prime minister johnson do that. a good move. good move for prime minister johnson. presidents of east european countries, poland, lithuania, e. the last time a president was in kyiv, i was ambassador in 2008. so it's a good time for the them to go and show support. >> do you think president biden should go? >> he's talked about going in the past. it's a major undertaking, it's a logistical challenge, a security challenge to do this. if president biden were to show up in kyiv, that would be a very strong signal of support. >> ambassador taylor, thank you
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unprovoked battle against ukraine, and while others are fighting on the battlefield, others are using data technology to fight on the information battlefield. john tumer is the founder of bolton labs. jonathan, you first. your company is working to gather data from message boards and online forums about how russians see this war. you've looked at a lot of different topics from sanctions to casualties to military inscription. what's having the most impact on russian opinion? >> what we're finding from all of these sources that we're getting that are hyperlocal and where people are really engaged at a local level within local forums, we're finding in those places that the most personal the issue, it resonates more. so, for example, between issues
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of casualty versus the draft. it's a big difference what we're seeing in the messaging. when these ukrainians are just talking about casualties, that's a little distant, a little abstract. but when they bring it down to "the draft," that becomes more personal for a lot of people in the country, because it means their child is likely to go and fight. so that's the way that we're kind of seeing these ukrainians really start to resonate within russia is along those really personal stories. >> what about the war in general? how did russians see it? >> on the whole, we have been noticing that they are still broadly popular, broadly proving of the war. what we are kind of seeing is the war in general is broadly approved in russia. casualties are a little less approved, but when it gets down to things like the draft, that's trending very negatively. so we're starting to see and
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trying to dig below various aspects of it, so just talk about the war this general and to message that into russia, we're not seeing as effective as messaging more particularly around the draft. >> steve, putin has a tight grip on what gets to the russians, shutting off platforms like facebook and twitter. how could the russians take propaganda like this and influence public opinion? >> well, first of all, don, i give jonathan's organization a shoutout. you've heard me say many times when the lobata center or other polling places come out with information, they know what to say when the pollsters come knocking on the door and they're going to be reprvery protective. but when you have organizations like jonathan is doing, that's much more indicative of what's going on. putin will, indeed, continue to
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lock down the russian people as much as possible, which it's going to make it difficult for the west and ukraine to try to break through and say, no, this is what's actually happening on the ground. but, you know, we've seen this in the united states and in the west as cell phones are now predominant, smartphones, anybody can video anything. it's really hard to combat those images and there are a lot of young russians who are figuring out how to break through the walls that putin has set up around his people, and they're starting to perhaps get some real ideas of what's going on in ukraine. if that's happening, i don't think that's a good thing for vladamir putin. >> can you speak to that, jonathan? >> about the issue of year round -- >> is that happening? are enough people getting around, young people and people who may be savvy enough to get around state-runnemede ya and the propaganda that vladamir putin is putting out to really make a difference? >> well, the best way to get around state propaganda is human connection. and that's what we're really
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enabling. the ukrainians and other eastern europeans to do, to go onto those message boards and start to talk to them as fellow humans. the way to really break through and defeat state propaganda is to become human with them. that's the most important thing that we can really be enabling people to do, and that's what fi fi filterlabs really enable people to do, campaigns in the u.s. or businesses in the u.s. or these ukrainians and russia, we're trying to get people to make human connections with it and then drive sentiment through those connections. >> have you noticed, jonathan, any changes in the trends as this war has gone on, especially considering russia has faced multiple setbacks on the battlefield? >> we have certainly seen through the month of march a negative trend in attitudes towards the draft. we've also seen negative trends
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in the month of march towards casualties. the war itself has stayed relatively steady there. some other things that we're starting to pay more attention to are things around the sanctions, and that's another way. but we want to start to look at it as being much more personal. it's not just so much about the idea, about the value of the ruble, but it's about whether a mother can find food to put on the table, whether they are starting to get concerned about whether they're going to go hungry. >> steve, putin is doing everything he can to punish people who are against this war. jonathan said to get on the message board, do anything you can, to speak human to human
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with people. but how do you get through to them, especially if there are russians who don't want to know the truth? >> there are a couple complicating factors here. i agree with jonathan, the person-to-person humanity. 97% of the ukrainians speak russian, and they're a bordering nation, so there is a personal link that can happen. one of the issues, though, is the russian security forces, particularly the ntsb, are watching exactly for that. they're concerned information will start getting in from the outside, whether it's a western news service using a telegram or one of the encrypted apps, or whether it's someone from ukraine trying to get on message boards. the ntsb is very good at finding those attempts and punishing, or worse, russians who attempt to engage. vladamir putin is excellent at a couple different things, and one of the things he's really good
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at is repression. he has no problems if people are trying to break his rules and trying to get outside this bubble and make contact with people in ukraine or elsewhere to take very strong action against them, to put them in jail or worse. that's a grave concern, i think, that any russian is going to have before they interact with someone outside of russia. they know putin is watching and that the ntsb is watching for them. >> i'm going to put out a video that was put out claiming more than 1,000 ukranian marines have surrendered in mariupol. cnn cannot verify this. but what do you make of russia showing this footage, and what does it say about the effectiveness of their propaganda? >> you know, this is actually pretty much down the center propaganda. it's nothing fancy. of course, if you've invaded a country, what you want to do is find or create photos and videos of guys surrendering, of the adversary's military surrendering. the russians are extremely good, again, the intelligence service
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is working, at gathering a whole prop or taking pieces of individual skthings and pull th together. they do a really good job of patching together video and audio and making things look really bad. this is standard procedure for the russians. they know how to do this. >> steve, jonathan, thank you very much. i appreciate it. the e subway shooting in brooklyn. we're going to tell you what happened, next. that we use to make new bottles. that completes the circle and reduces plastic waste. please help us get every bottle back.
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large out-of-state corporations have set their sights on california. they've written a ballot proposal to allow online sports betting. they tell us it will fund programs for the homeless, but read the fine print. 90% of the profits go to out-of-state corporations, leaving almost nothing for the homeless. no real jobs are created here. but the promise between our state and our sovereign tribes would be broken forever. these out-of-state corporations don't care about california. but we do. stand with us. the suspect who allegedly fired his gun into a crowd in brooklyn appeared to court for the first time since his arrest. 62-year-old frank james charged with a federal terrorism-related
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crime, accused of staging a violent attack against mass transit. ten people were hit, 13 injured trying to get away. incredibly, no one was killed. >> reporter: the suspect in federal court today two days after allegedly shooting ten people on a busy subway train in bro brooklyn. 62-year-old frank james did not enter a plea and only spoke to acknowledge he read the criminal complaint against him. james is accused of firing at least 33 rounds during the morning commute tuesday, injuring at least 29. federal prosecutors argued the violent attack was premeditated, carefully planned and caused terror. james is being held without bail. what happened in the new york city subway system on tuesday was a tragedy. it was a blessing that it was not worse. we are all still learning about what happened on that train, and
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we caution against a rush to judgment. >> reporter: james' attorneys consented to bail denial but reserved the right to contest at a later date. >> we used every resource at our proposal to gather and process specific evidence that directly links mr. james to the shooting. >> reporter: investigators left with a trove of evidence at the scene, including a .9-millimetre handgun with several magazines, a smoke grenade, a hatchet, and a credit card used to rent the van. he is accused of violent attacks against mass transportation. if convicted, he could face life in prison. new video shows james walking down the street wearing a helmet and bright orange construction jacket pulling a bright roller bag shortly before the shooting tuesday. surveillance video obtained by wnbc shows what appears to be the same man entering the new york sub sway system carrying a
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black bag, revealed that day by cnn. james was arrested wednesday after calling crimestoppers to report himself, telling authorities he was at a mcdonald's in manhattan, according to two law enforcement sources. witnesses described the arrest as surreal. >> you're not expecting to do so it there. you see it in the news so much, and it was like all of new york was in an uproar. we felt the energy in the city was heightened. >> reporter: they came out defending the mta. remember, there were three cameras in the subway that weren't working, and there are reports maybe that allowed james to get away in the aftermath of the attack. the nypd simply saying that's not true, and reiterating the fact that the mta is a vital partner with the nypd. the other thing to keep in mind, their main priority the last couple days is to get james into custody and into a courtroom. now they have the big task of
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