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this is "cnn tonight." ukraine's president's new warning for the world. be prepared for the possibility that putin could go nuclear at some point in this war. zelenskyy says that should worry the entire globe. it is a very concerning thought. it came in a rare exclusive new interview with cnn's jake tapper. in that one on one, jake asked zelenskyy about the huge news of the sinking of russia's flagship battleship in the black sea. the u.s. said today with more certainty that it was ukrainian missiles that downed it. not some sdaccidental fire as moscow claims. ukraine expects russia to increase its attacks in revenge. a nmilitary spokesman says, we are ready. russia has been striking harder

today. lots of shelling and air strikes in the southeastern region of donbas where a russian offensive is expected in the coming days. strikes reported across kharkiv in the north where at least ten civilians were killed earlier. and cluster bombs reportedly killed five civilians in the so south. when will this stop? we are hearing that more than 900 bodies of civilians have been discovered in the kyiv region since the russian forces have pulled out. 900 human beings. those are the ones that have been found so far. it is all so horrific. we have to keep shining light on these atrocities. the world cannot look away. in that interest, let's go to live to cnn's phil black in kyiv to see what's happening there tonight. phil, what can you tell us about

what's happening on the ground there right now? >> reporter: laura, the ukrainian military says it's expecting, preparing for, perhaps already receiving russian retaliation and revenge. revenge for the ukraine claimed strike against the russian navy flagship of the black sea fleet. ukraine says it struck that vessel with two missiles, created a fire, sufnk the vuess. overnight in kyiv, there was a miss being strike on the outskirts which struck a military site which russia says was responsible for building and maintaining anti-air but also anti-ship missiles. its announcement suggested that that strike was in response to something it has been warning about through this week, which is an accusation that ukraine has been preparing attacks against russian targets on russian federation soil.

the ukrainian military believes it won't be forgiven for targeting the ship. it says it knows hitting that ship was more than just hitting another russian military asset. it was a strike against russia's prestige, against its imperial ambitions. it won't be forgotten quickly, laura. >> the idea of not being forgiven is rolely j really a c seine sentiment. what did survivors in bucha tell you? >> reporter: when you walk the streets of bucha and talk to people, everyone has a traumatic story or stories. they have lived through an extraordinarily dark, difficult, distressing time. they have all seen death. they have all lost people. whether it's family or friends or at the least neighbors.

everyone has these stories to tell. everyone has seen those bodies on the streets, the images which shocked the world when the russian forces first withdrew. those bodies have now been collected. what is still continuing there is this large operation to recover, that is exhume the many bodies, so many bodies that were, in fact, buried during the period of russia's occupation, whether in the central mass grave in bucha or the many other smaller shallow graves that people dug where they could whether they thought they could, when they thought it was safe. all of that is ongoing. the idea is to try and recover and account for everyone who did not survive that period of russian occupation. >> the inhumanity is just so vile. every one of those people that you have seen on the screen, someone is looking for them. they meant something to somebody. as my father said, everyone was someone's star once.

it's unbelievable to see what's happening. phil black, thank you so much. the ukrainian president zelenskyy was weighing in on the sinking we spoke about with phil in an exclusive interview with jake tapper. the downing of the flagship in the black sea is important. here is more. >> rthe russian warship, the on ukrainian soldiers told to f off sank. the russians say -- the russians are liars, but the russians say it sank on its own. you ca can you offer clarity as to what happened to that ship? >> translator: we know it does not exist anymore. for us, it's a strong weapon against our country. its sinking is not a tragedy for

us. i want the rest of the people to realize that. the less weapons the russian federation that attack ours country has, the better for us, the less capable they are. this is important. about what happened to it, the history will tell. >> do you have any idea how many ukrainian soldiers or ukrainian civilians have been killed? >> i know about. >> how many? >> translator: as of now, based on the information we have, because it's very difficult to talk about civilians, south of our country where the towns and cities are blocked, further east, the area to the east, we just don't know how many people have died in that area that's blocked.

let's have an example. one town, there are no people there. it's difficult to talk about it now. as to our military, out of the numbers we have, we think that we lost 2,500 to 3,000. in comparison with the russian military, who lost about 19 to 20,000. that's the comparison. but we have about 10,000 injured. it's hard to say how many will survive. >> i'm sure you have seen the video of the ukrainian mom finding her son in a well. and her sorrow, her crying just

is devastating to hear. and you have seen a lot of videos like that. what is it like for you as the president of this country to see those videos, to hear the crying of the moms? >> translator: this is the scariest i have seen in my life. i look at this first of all as a father. it hurts so, so much. it's a tragedy. it's suffering. i won't be able to imagine the scale of suffering of these people, of this woman. it's a family's tragedy. it's a disaster. the dreams and the life you just lost, we live for our kids, that's true. kids are the best we were given by god and by family.

it's a great pain for me. i can't watch it as a father only because all you want after this is revenge and to kill. i have to watch as the president of the state where a lot of people have died and lost their loved ones. there are millions of people who want to live. all of us want to fight. but we all have to do our best for this war not to be endless. the longer it is, the more we would lose. all these losses will be just like that one. >> joining me now is yjake tappr in kyiv. you had a compelling interview with president zelenskyy. everyone has been watching this man from the beginning of this invasion, even before, and have been watching and wondering what he has been like. what has been the mood in conversing with him? what was he thinking and dealing with in that moment? the emotional turmoil of a

nati nation is on his shoulders, let alone the physical destruction of a nation he holds dear. >> it was a far and wide ranging interview. we touched on a lot of subjects. when we started talking before the interview, i asked him about his kids. we bonded over the fact that both of us have teenage daughters who have limited interest in talking to their fathers. he was very candid and charming at times. as the subject shifted to more important life or death issues, he was at times defiant, at times angry, at times, you know, das disappointed in the world. very honest. he could be diplomatic. i asked him a question about -- co- he could have taken a shot at president macron. he didn't. he said he disagreed. he could be diplomatic.

he didn't beat his chest about the sinking of the russian ship. he was very candid and human. we interview politicians for a living, laura, you and i and our colleagues. i tend not to be too super impressed with politicians. he was a pretty impressive guy, especially considering what he is going through. >> the idea of him being disappointed with the world is probably an understatement for the range of emotion he has. given the idea of how diplomatic he must be hoping for there to be some change. i wonder in the conversation -- we talk about here in the united states of america, obviously, our president having the threat possible of danger. in kyiv, he is under constant threat. he is literally in the heart of the beast. his security is never quite promised. did that take a toll on the way in which he was able to think and deal with the circumstances? he has been very focused in

particular on one area, in one region in particular. is that coming from some sense of an actual security threat to himself right now? >> i think -- i don't think just him. i think most people in ukraine, especially in kyiv and to the east, feel vulnerable. certainly, there's nothing more than vladimir putin would like than him dead. he is aware of that. i asked him actually about -- it's possible you might not make it out of this war alive. how do you want your children and people in ukraine to remember you? he was very humble about it. he doesn't want to be remembered as a hero. he wants to be remembered as a good citizen and family member and somebody who loved his country. it's something on his mind. obviously, the security around him was incredibly intense. the kind of security even beyond what you would go through to

interview president biden, for example. that said, it wasn't -- he wasn't paranoid or jumpy. he was just in his secure location doing his job and focused. a big part of his job, i think it's obvious to see, is commune ind -- is communicating with the world. he did a lengthy interview with us. he did an interview with jeffrey goldberg. he wants to get his message out. that's part of it. i did not get the sense that he felt overly burdened by the threat on his life. i talked to -- zelenskyy was never going to leave no matter

what was going to come his way. >> it goes back to the statement when he made that statement of, i don't need a ride. wasn't he wanted to stay and fight for his country. it's evident. >> i need a ride. i need ammunition. >> that interview talking about the devastation and how as a father it weighs on him to think about the tragedy and the fatalities and those who are still fighting for their home. jake, a great interview. thank you. >> thanks, laura. >> you can see the full interview with president zelenskyy on "state of the union" sunday morning at 9:00 east he eastern and noon. the head of the international community called ukraine a crime scene.

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equally important to remember what is happening there. just in the days since russia retreated from the kyiv region, a single region, over 900 bodies have been found. some of those bodies have clear signs of torture. this is the beginning of the evidence that will ultimately be gathered in the hopes of bringing those responsible for this to justice. joining me now is steven wrap, a former war crimes prosecutor and former u.s. ambassador at large for war crimes issues. what we have been seeing is unbelievably inhumane and horrific. as we talk about the gathering of evidence, normally we talk about things in retrospect. this is an active war going on. tell me about what that process of gathering investigations and information is like when you have got the active war and having other nations having to come to try to help. >> well, obviously, people that

are gathering this evidence are doing it at great risk. it's wonderful that various countries are sending in teams to assist the ukrainian prosecutor. of course, we have the international criminal court that has jurisdiction of the situation, because ukraine gave it to the icc eight years ago and can potentially prosecute right up to the top of the russian chain of command, president putin. >> we know, of course, the icc is the most likely venue to be able to hold those who are responsible accountable. there's a history, as you know, that it's not an instantaneous prosecution. it can take a long time. sometimes a long time includes years. what is the thought in terms of how to evaluate and assess how long this process may take given that we are in an active war? the invasion is ongoing. the gathering of information -- is there a threshold that will have to be met before they can proceed with prosecution?

>> well, of course, we are talking both about the ukrainian prosecutor who has the potential of filing cases much sooner, particularly of prisoners who have been taken and commanding officers against whom she may be able to develop evidence of their involvement in the killing in bucha and torture and rape and the horrendous crimes that we have seen in your reports. as far as the icc is concerned, they will also look for suspects that they can get into custody soon. their focus is higher level individuals. ukraine can't prosecute the leaders of another country. it's not permitted under international law. that takes an international tribunal. in the past we have seen international prosecutors move quickly. the yugoslavia tribunal prosecutor moved against

presidthe president there. within 16 months, he couldn't steal enough votes to stay in power. within 25 months, he was in the hague. many people thought it would be impossible. in other cases such as libya, president gadhafi died hiding in the battlefield, he was indicted 45 days after the icc gained jurisdiction. there could be charges relatively soon. it's a question of how challenging it is to put the cases together. there are two types. bombardment of mariupol, which may, according to the mayor, have more than 10,000 dead. whether that can be shown to be a war crime or whether those are legitimate targets that were shot. then we have the crimes of murder and rape and torture like we have seen in your reports. of course, attributing those to the high command, they will argue those are rogue elements doing those things. >> of course.

>> they re will need to be additional support there. >> we have the discussions about war crimes. then we have what is required to prove these cases, to prove what it meets the definition in the geneva convention and beyond. you talked about this before. we hear the president speak about genocide, which i note the u.s. has only formally recognized genocide in eight places over the course of at least modern american history. look at the screen right now. you talk about the idea of starvation also as a tactic of genocide or a tactic of a war crime. tell me more about how something like that could be proven. obviously, one of the reactions and retorts will be, it was not a deliberate attempt to try to harm civilians. you think the starvation aspect of it is quite different though. >> i think the starvation act is, indeed. keep in mind, when you carpet

bomb a city and make no distinction between military and civilian targets, that's a war crime. when you actually cut off food and medicine to the civilian population, then you are actually intentionally harming the civilian population. the intentionality is much clearer in that situation. both to show you are intentionally harming them but also to the extent that you cut off that food for weeks and weeks and weeks. you have the war crime of starvation. the kind of thing that's happening in mariupol, it has been beseieged for seven weeks, with hardly any humanitarian access. with people bombed when they try to leave the city, that situation is a strong case to attribute responsibility for war crimes right up the chain of command. those aren't rogue elements doing those crimes. that's the russian air force. that's the russian army doing those things.

it's answering to vladimir putin. the cases in places like bucha do require trying to understand what's happening on the battlefield, who is making those orders, taking those decisions. even there, international law, the top command is responsible for those acts if they have notice or have reason to know and fail to take action to prevent or punish. all we get from putin is, who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes, it's all fake? there's no good faith effort to investigate this or crack down on any of it, which indicates they're doing what they want them to do. >> that point to me is so important to think about. often times intentionality is what is allowing people to evade prosecution because they are able to find some way to justify or say it was not deliberate. as you described it and thinking about how to go up the chain of command, i bet that's part of the holistic appropriate the investigators are looking at. thank you so much. i appreciate hearing your expertise. >> good to be with you.

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the war in ukraine has had a particularly cruel impact on children. not just those who have been tragically killed. take a look at these photos of a school destroyed in russian attacks. it is one of many schools to have been destroyed. to educating ukrainian children as safely as possible, many schools are now holding classes online for those still able to attend. joining us is the head of the educational non-profit teach for ukraine. we are joined by one of the students in her program, 16-year-old irena. i'm glad to see you here tonight. i'm eager to speak to you about your experiences. i understand there has been a horrible impact on the program you run, including the death of at least one of the fellows in

the program over this past week. a 21-year-old named julia. i'm sorry for your loss. tell me about her. >> morning. yeah. julia was one of our fellows of 2021. she was a math teacher. she was also a math genius. we found out about her death at the beginning of march. before the war, she was teaching in one of the small communities. then she went back to her hometown, kharkiv, second largest city that has been under the heavy shelling since day one. we know she had been volunteering very actively. on the 3rd of march, we lost the connection with her. this is when we suspected something wrong was happening. in two days, we found out that she was killed while volunteering by the russian missile in the central part of

kharkiv, unfortunately. >> i'm so sorry to hear about that. there are so many others in the program tipping t p ping -- cono teach, a safe place for the students who are desperate to have normalcy, to have that connection. what has it been like for teachers to know that in many respects, they are that safe space and life line? >> our teachers used to teach in different sections of ukraine. when the invasion started, we needed to go to safe place. we out in that maybe education process will be stopped as the ministry of education announce two weeks of break. then after two weeks, we had hope. the ministry decided to resume distance learning in the regions that have not been suffering from military action. that was so much hope for our

tea teachers, our fellows. they have been in touch with students from day one. we knew that students were eager to get back to this normalcy, even online, while during the covid, they were not so much eager to be joining classes. >> of course. i want to bring in one of the students, if i can. i want to make sure i hear from her. irena, i know this has been something extraordinarily difficult for students in the program and for young people in general across the world watching what's going on. tell me about what has been your experience in ukraine. what has been your feeling about how this has really changed the world that you know? >> i was really upset when i hear war was started. i didn't know what think. my previous life just cut down.

my dreams came away from me. now i must to fight -- i must fight to bring them one more t time. i must be brave. we all must be brave to win this unreasonable and just horrible war. when i see what is -- i want to cry sometimes. i want to hear from someone that it all just end.

i don't. i don't hear it from somebody. and from anybody. >> it's devastating to hear from irena and her experiences. i see you nodding your head and thinking about the dreams that she says she doesn't have, the feeling of the devastation. what goes through your head? i know it can be a very difficult program when a student doesn't show up one day or is not somehow in the classroom setting. what goes through your mind? >> well, you know, quite a few of our school partners allocated in the kyiv region, as you mentioned, one of the schools was heavily damaged. we still have some one or two children missing in some classes as well as teachers. this is devastating not to be able to hear the news that they are 100% alive and that everything is all right.

of course, we cannot say this for sure, because a lot of families have been moving around, including live in ukraine. the number of children that have been back to online teaching, 3.5 million out of 4.2 million, according to the ministry, is already a great number to be inspired with. >> it is. >> no matter distance learning. >> you know, thank you for your time and telling us about what it's like for your experienced athe and the work you are doing. may the dreams come back. we are all watching. thank you so much. >> thank you. we will continue war coverage. but next an exclusive. text messages that pushed the trump white house to turn over the election results, but che ch -- they changed their minds. whwhy? that's nexext.

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a cnn exclusive revealing text messages between two of president trump's most vocal supports and mark meadows. they show a 180 on efforts to overturn the election. >> reporter: senator mike lee of utah and congressman chip roy of texas, two of former president donald trump's most loyal defenders in congress. in dozens of private texts to trump's chief of staff, a picture emerges of how both went from aiding the effort to challenge the election results to ultimately warning against it. the texts obtained by cnn show how they were trying to help initially but by the end raised concerns to trump's top deputy about his campaign's effort to stand in the way of the certification of the 2020 election.

we are driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic, roy warned meadows in a text message january 1st, that's in possession of the january 6th select committee. it came after weeks of begging meadows for evidence of election fraud and concerns the lack of evidence was a real problem for the trump legal team. we must urge the president to tone down the rhetoric, he wrote to meadows on november 9. roy did believe that there were problems with the election. in early december, he went to the house floor imploring his colleagues to look into the thin examples of fraud. >> the american people are raising questions about our elections. this body is missing in action and doing nothing. >> reporter: like roy, senator mike lee started out hopeful that there was a path to challenge the election results. in early november, he touted the work of conservative lawyer powell, encouraging meadows to get her an audience with the president, calling her a straight shooter. less than two weeks later,

powell appeared with rudy giuliani in what would be an inf infamous press conference. lee changed his tune, calling powell a liability. turning his focus to touting attorney john eastman. lee pushed a plan to convince state legislatures to offer up a set of alternate electors. when that plan fizzled, lee decided he was no longer on board. he texted meadows on december 16, i think we are past the point where we can expect anyone will do it without some direction and a strong evidentiary argument. both lee and roy ultimately chose not to join other republicans to vote against certifying the election. >> our job is to open and then count, open then count, that's it, that's all there is. >> reporter: they were even more emphatic about the fool's errant trump's team was on. the president should call everyone off.

it's the only path, roy texted meadows. lee argued it was on dangerous constitutional ground. three days before january 6, he warned, i know only that this will end badly for the president unless we have the constitution on our side. they did not. the trump team and a group of loyal republicans went ahead with their plan anyway. as it became clear their effort would not be successful, hundreds of trump supporters stormed the capitol in protest. as the violence was texted meadows, fix this now. he went to the house floor and placed the blame squarely at president trump's feet. >> the president should never have spun up certain americans to believe something that simply cannot be. >> reporter: both of the congressional offices did respond to our exclusive reporting. senator lee's office saying that they believe the senator was transparent during this period of time. there's nothing in the texts

that contradict what he was saying publically. congressman chip roy tweeted out a response to our reporting. he said that he is only going to say this once. no apologies for my private texts or public positions to those on the left or the right. i stand behind seeking truth, fighting nonsense and then acting in defense of the constitution. of course, all these text messages already in the possession of the january 6 select committee. they continue to be a key part of that investigation. laura? >> ryan, thank you so much. we will be right back. their home and auto insurance. isn't that right, frank? i saved 25%. booyah. you protected your casa? sure did. and the frank tank? you know it. and now you're relaxing. i'm working from home. sure you are. alright i see a lot of head nods. let's circle back tomorrow. you weren't kidding. save up to 25% when you bundle home and auto with allstate. click or call for a quote today.

a question. how does the u.n. security council work when russia is a

permanent member of the council with veto power? all while putin wages a brutal war on ukraine. here is cnn's chief political analyst gloria borger. >> reporter: it didn't take a translation to feel president zelenskyy's outrage. where is the security, the security council needs to guarantee? it's not there. then the final insult. without action -- >> translator: then the next option would be dissolve yourself all together. >> he was absolutely right, and i thought one more convert to understanding what is wrong with the united nations. it's political institutions are fundamentally broken. >> reporter: former u.n. ambassador john bolton has never been a united nations booster. >> i think it is unfixable. >> reporter: neither has liz cheney. >> it is not the kind of effective entity people hoped it would be when it was created. >> reporter: that was 1945 when

the world war ii victors established the u.n. security council with five permanent members. today those are the u.s., france, the uk, china, and russia. each with veto power as joseph stalin himself insisted. the world has changed but the council still remains largely as it was 77 years ago. that is, russia has the power to veto any resolution it opposes. it's like giving a senator on the floor a veto over any legislation without any overriding? >> exactly. what we're seeing when there is a fundamentally disagreement among the permanent members, nothing happens. >> reporter: suggestions to reform the council by adding more permanent members or removing vetoes all together have been non-starters. as former u.n. ambassador bill richardson points out, it's all about keeping power. >> i am being honest with you. i don't think anyone wants girlfriend up thundershower veto. >> reporter: and russia is not

about to vote itself off the security council either, but though weeks ago it was condemned by the u.n. general assembly. those were nonbinding resolutions. russia was thrown off the human rights council, but that wasn't a unanimous decision. >> here is the headline. a majority of the members of the united nations did not vote to expel russia. >> what does that tell you? >> it tells you russia has significant support around the world. >> reporter: what putin really cares about is the stature permanent membership on the security council confers. >> now, in the real world russia is not that important. it's china and the u.s. that are the dominant players. but in the security council the russians stand as equals to the u.s. and they are very, very proud of having that status. >> reporter: all of which leaves the security council paralyzed. and if the u.n. can't stop what's happening in ukraine, what's it for? >> the u.n. is for airing

publicly the tragedies of the world like the refugee crisis in ukraine, like the possible war crimes. at the same time, the u.n. is providing food. the u.n. is providing refugee assistance. >> reporter: yet, in a bizarre looking glass moment on tv -- >> translator: special military operation in donbas. >> reporter: russia chaired the security council session as weapons were unleashed in ukraine. d diplomacy could not stop the killing. appoint the ukrainian ambassador as he read a letter from a 9-year-old boy to his dead mother. >> translator: you are the best mama in the world. i will never forget you. such letters should not have to be written. if they are, it means that something has gone terribly wrong, including here at the united nations. >> reporter: even so, laura, no

matter how times the ukrainians ask for it, reform of the u.n. security council is not about to happen any time soon, if ever. >> fwlor yeah, thank you so much. and thank you for watching. be sure to tune in next week for "cnn tonight" at 9:00 eastern when i co-host with jim sciutto, who will be live from ukraine. the news continues next here on cnn. ( ♪ ) ♪ walking on ♪ ♪ walking on ththe moon ♪ ♪ some ♪ ♪ may say ♪ ♪ i'm wishing my days away ♪ ♪ no way ♪ ♪ walking on the moon ♪ obviously, we got termites. well, first thing is, you gotta know what they're bitin' on. hey! i told you to hire a pro. i did get a pro. an orkin pro! i got this. i did get a pro.

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