wartime president, russian forces savage ukraine, but after russia's atrocities, is ukrainian's leaders still willing to negotiate? >> u.s. can give us hand, help stop russia. >> my exclusive interview with ukrainian president volodomyr zelenskyy is next, plus, the fight ahead as ukraine braces to face russia in the east and

after a surprise victory at sea, how long will war last? d also, desperate need, dave matthews performs a new song in support of refugees and what you can do. hello i'm jake tapper in lviv, ukraine, and you're watching a special hour of "state of the union" happy easter and happy passover to those who celebrate, this weekend is one of hope for many but here in ukraine where it's been more than 50 days since russian troops invaded the destruction frankly seems limitless. yesterday while traveling across the country, saw buildings, home blown away in bordyanka outside kyiv, still digging bodies out of the rubble, of families of children, who ran out of the

building from putin's bombs and didn't make it. we saw their toys uncovered from the rubble, this is the cost of putin's unprovoked war on the people of ukraine and the end frankly does not seem near as the russian focus move to see the east. the situations in mariupol in the south appears to have grown increasingly dire, overnight ukrainians rejected an ultimatum from the russians to surrender. i travelled to kyiv and sat down with ukraine president volodomyr zelenskyy, inside the office of the president, iwho changed the history of the war and frankly, the course of history by deciding to stay in kyiv and fight an army many times his own. today, we're bringing you that wide-ranging conversation beginning with the very latest from the battlefield. >> a russian warship, the

moskava the one ukrainian soldiers told to eff off sank. the russians say, and the russians are liars, but the russians say it sank on its own. can you offer some clarity and evidence as to what happened to that ship? >> translator: we know that it is gone. for us, it is a serious weapon against our country. that is why the fact that it sank is not a tragedy for us. i want you and everyone else to know that. the less weapons the russian federation who attacked our country has, the better it is for us, the less powerful they are. this is all, and it is the most important thing and what happened to it? time will tell. >> the new russian offensive in the east, in the donbas could start any day. your administration officials have warned that it could look as big as world war ii.

you won the battle of kyiv, are you going to win the fight for the donbas? >> translator: for us, the battle for donbas is very important. it is important for different reasons. for the reason of safety, first of all, a grouping that is located in donbas is one of the best military we have. it is a large grouping and russia wants to encircle them and destroy them. it is nearly 40,000 people. it is 44,000 professional military men who survived a great war from the beginning of 2014. this is why it is very important for us to preserve that part of our army. that is one of the most powerful. this is why it is very important for us not to allow them to, to stand our ground, because there will be many battles, how long

it will take could influence the cost of the whole war. because i don't trust the russian military and russian leadership, that is why we understand that the fact that we fought them off and they left and were running away from kyiv, from the north, from chernihiv and that direction, it doesn't mean if they are able to capture donbas they won't come further towards kyiv. that is why, for us, this battle is very important for many reasons. it is very important to win this battle. >> the director of the cia warned that he's worried putin might use a tactical nuclear weapon in this fight. are you worried? >> not only me. i think with all over the world, other countries have to be worried. because you know that it can be not real information, but it can

be truth. because when they begin to speak about one or another, battles or involved enemies or nuclear weapons or chemical, some chemical, issues, chemical weapons, they should do it, they could do it, they can, for them, that's why, we should, i think, not be afraid. i mean don't be afraid. be ready, but that is not the question to ukraine, and not only for the ukraine, for all the world, i think so. >> translator: there is a possibility of them using these weapons. nobody expected there to be a full-scale invasion of ukraine from the russian federation. no one expected there to be a war in 2014 and now that there will be a full scale invasion

and killing of civilians, nobody expected them to invade the areas where there is no military equipment and just kill and shoot dead a civilian population. nobody expected that, but this is a fact, and it happened. that is when russia gives information and says when something does not go according to plan, can use chemical weapons and nuclear potential. and that is why i believe these are dangerous claims of untrustworthy people. and if we believe some of them are already untrustworthy, then they can use nuclear weapons. >> how bad are things in mariupol and what can be done to help the people of mariupol. >> translator: the situation is very difficult in mariupol. it's clear that things won't get better. with each passing day, it's growing more unstable.

unfortunately, it is difficult for different reasons. i will not talk about the cruelty with which the russian authorities have treated mariupol, the russian military. there are two components. no one knows how many people died among the civilian population. if anyone gives you a figure, it would be a total lie. hundreds of thousands were evacuated, several thousand, 10s of thousands were forced to evacuate in the direction of the russian federation and we do not know where they are. they left no document trail. and among them are several thousands of children. we want to know what happened to them, whether they are in good health. unfortunately, there just isn't any information on this and regarding what population is remained there, we also don't have a definitive answer. one day, they say there are 50,000, or 60,000 left there and then another day, someone says 100,000. and now, we have information

that perhaps 10,000 people have died there, all civilians who stay, we're talking about civilians death, not military. and we heard about that 5,000 children deported from this region to russian side because they didn't allow them to go to the ukrainian side. i mean the ukrainian controlled side. so we don't know where the children, where are they? nobody knows. and so that is -- and that's why i said the question is more than difficult and more than complicated. so it's -- there are a lot of information which we have to check and which we don't know exactly. >> do you have any idea how many ukrainian soldiers or ukrainian civilians have been killed. >> translator: as of now, based on the information we have,

because it is very difficult to talk about civilians, since south of our country are the towns and cities are blocked, h here, donetsk, mariupol, further to the east where navahar is et cetera. we don't know exactly how many have died in that area. it is blocked , let's take vulnavaha as example, there and other towns are empty, all are destroyed. there are no people there so it's difficult to talk about it now. as to our military, out of the numbers we have, we think that we lost 2,500 to 3,000. in comparison with the russian military who lost about 19,000

to 20,000. that's the comparison. but we have about 10,000 injured. it's hard to say how many will survive. >> president biden is considering whether to send a top u.s. official to visit ukraine. who does president zelenskyy want to visit? that's next. plus, a personal side, zelenskyy is also raising two kids with his wife while he leads the country through war, we'll talk about how his kids are doing, that's coming up.

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violence on civilians from russian soldiers, zelenskyy spoke on the horrors and i have to warn you, some of the images what you're about to see are graphic and disturbing. >> i'm sure you have seen the video of the ukrainian mom finding her son in a well. what is it like for you, as the president of this country, to see those videos, to hear the crying of the moms? >> translator: this is the most horrifying thing i have seen in my life. i look at this first of all as a father. it hurts so, so much. it's a fragileied. it is suffering. i won't be able to imagine a scale of suffering of these people, of this woman.

it is a family's tragedy. it is a disaster. it is the dreams and life you've just lost. we live for our kids. that's true. kids are the best we were given by god, by family, it is a great pain for me. i can't watch it, as a father, only because all you want after this is revenge and to kill. i have to watch it as the president of the state where a lot of people have died and lost their loved ones. and there are millions of people who want to live. all of us want to fight. but we all have to do our best for this war not to be endless.

the longer it is, the more we would lose. all these losses would be just like that one. i'm not sure -- i'm not confident that when we say we'll do our best for these mothers to feel the government is taking care of them. i do not believe this wound can be treated or forgotten somehow. i'm not sure anyone can help this woman. i'm not sure. i'm not sure. i think people have lost the best they had. it is the outcome of russia's war. they came and took away the most important things people had.

these people are heroic, but are my words going to give them peace? no. it's just great pain. we can all work on how to rebuild apartments and houses and compensate them. how do you compensate for the loss of a child? i don't think anyone in the world has an answer for that. there is a desire for justice through revenge and that, at least the people who did this would feel the same pain. so that there will be some result, some outcome, so they are punished. >> you lost ancestors in the holocaust. every year, on holocaust remembrance day, politicians put out statements that say never

again, never again. those statements must seem really hallow right now, to you. when the world says never again, do they ever mean it? >> i don't believe the world. after we've seen what is going on in ukraine. we -- i mean that i don't believe to this feeling that we should believe to some countries, we don't believe the words, after escalation of russia, we don't believe our neighbors. we don't believe all of this. even i don't believe documents because we also have a budapest memorandum, i think you know all the details of this. for me, that is just a piece of paper. and because, nothing, and that's it. and so we just believe things,

if you are our friends, our partners, give us weapons, your hand, support us, give us money and stop russia, kick russia, you can do this, if you're a friend and think about this democracy and everything. yes, all this -- we have the same sort, if we are speaking about freedom, not because we want to have dialect about freedom. if we're really thinks, yes, if we're real the same thought, i mean -- >> translator: the only belief there is is the belief in ourselves, our people. belief in our armed forces, and the belief that countries are going to support us, not just with their words but with their actions and that's it. >> never again?

>> translator: really, everybody is talking about this and yet, as you can see, not everyone has got the guts. >> president biden called what putin is doing here genocide. president macron of france said he didn't think it was constructive to raise the rhetoric like that, that it wasn't healthy. what was your response to both biden and macron. >> translator: i have the same opinion as president biden and i immediately saw what was happening here. especially, what happened in bucha and to the east of our country. i speak about this because russia calls it a military operation and not a war. but look what happened in bucha.

it's clear that it's not even a war, it's a genocide. they just kill people. not soldiers -- people. they just shot people in the streets. people were riding bicycles, taking the bus, or just walking down the street. there were corpses lining the streets. these were not soldiers, they were civilians, they bound their hands, they forced children to watch as they raped their mothers then through them in a well or in mass graves. children. adults. the elderly. and we have substantial evidence that points to this being a genocide. audio and video, where they talk about just how much they hate us. i did not even learn that there was such hatred of the russian military for the ukrainian people. they say they are going to destroy us, just to steal a toilet and washing machine for an apartment, they shot an

entire family. that is genocide. as far as emmanuelle, i talked to him yesterday. i think he wants to take some steps to ensure that russia engages in dialogue. i just told him that i want him to understand that this is not war, but nothing other than genocide. i invited him to come when he will have the opportunity. he will come and see, and i'm sure he will understand. >> do you want president biden to come here? >> yes. >> are there any plans for him to come? >> i think he will. i think he will, and i think -- but it's -- it's his decision, of course. and well, the safety situation depends there, but i think he's

the leader of the united states and that's why he should come here to see. >> what about the more than 4 million ukrainians who have left the country, who are refugees. do you want them to come back? >> not now. i think not now. first of all, it's about women and children, they should come when the situation will stabilize and when the war will finish, of course, because they will not have us now. it's not about the men, they will not help. men should be here and fight and then the families will come back, of course, because i know the statistics about the 93, 95% of those people who are up, because of the war, they want to come back. really. president zelenskyy still wants to negotiate with russia

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welcome back to "state of the union" i'm jake tapper live in lviv, ukraine, as ukraine prepares for a difficult battle in the east, u.s. stepping up its military assistance, but is zelenskyy's goal to beat russia

on the battlefield or come to an agreement with putin at the negotiating table? president biden just agreed to another $800 million in military aid for ukrainian, bringing the total american contribution to $2.5 billion. are you are you satisfied with that? do you need more? >> translator: of course we need more, but i am happy that he is helping us now. i feel that right now, we are having a cleaner dialogue. it's been a dialogue that's had some twists and turns and not just talk -- it's been very, very difficult, because there aren't many countries that have really helped us. the assistance from the united states, led by president biden, and they are doing it again today, but there will never be enough. enough isn't possible. there is a full-scale war ongoing today so we still need a lot more than what we have

today. unfortunately, we do not have technical advantages over our enemy, just not on the same level there, but our people are stronger. that's our main advantage and we know our mission, our objective, what we're fighting for. we're defending our country. all these families and the kids that we discussed before, we know what we stand for. and from where we get our strength. but for biden's confirmed $800 million in support, what's most important is speed. >> the biden administration keeps saying they're giving you this aid to put ukraine in a better negotiating position for diplomatic solution. is that the goal? to put you in a better negotiating position? or is the goal to defeat russia and get them to leave? >> translator: we need to understand that what we want can come at a very high price, and in any case, all these years of

war, where is the compromise coming from the russian federation? maybe we can end this war without any conditions. maybe the war can end without any dialogue or compromise. and without sitting down at the negotiating table with the president of russia. and he'll understand daily, as i said before, what's the price of all this? it's people, the many people who have been killed. and who ends up paying for all of this? it's ukraine. just us. for us, this is a really great cost. if there is an opportunity to speak, we'll speak. but to speak only under a russian ultimatum? it's then a question about attitude towards us, not about whether the dialogue is good or bad. it's impossible. the sooner it happens, just

means that less are likely to die, but it's not a fact that this would actually be the case, not at all. but it's possible, and therefore, we should try. we want to liberate our country, take back what's ours. we can fight the russian federation for ten years to take what's ours. we can go down such a path, but you have to understand what we're doing. know your strength, remember that you are not fighting alone, and can you imagine that you would fight one on one with a very large state? one that's 28 times larger than us? in terms of territorial size and economy, and their army is larger. and one cannot fight on their character alone. to fight as one, there needs to be equipment today or tomorrow. not in two or three months. some countries are just not

offering assistance. they can send millions, but we could still lose our state. that's why one has to strike a balance. where you want to or not, you are not the only hero. the people are the heros. and we must protect their lives, maximally. the conditions must be humane, if, in fact, that's even possible. we cannot give up our territory, but we must find at least some dialogue with russia if they are capable and if we are still ready. but the chances of this are growing less by the day. there comes a time, when, think about bucha or bordyanka, mariupol, after all that, no one wants to talk. our society doesn't want us to continue talks. this is a great tragedy. >> what do you say to people either in ukraine or elsewhere in the world who say, just give

putin the donbas. just give putin eastern ukraine. stop the bloodshed, let him have the territory. what would your message be about that? >> in the centuries old history of ukraine, there is the story that ukraine has either taken territory or needs to give up some territory. ukraine and the people of our state are absolutely clear -- we don't want anyone else's territory, and we are not going to give up our own. he's a leader, but he's also a dad who is worried about his family. i asked president zelenskyy about how they're coping, next. stay with us. ou could save yourself an average of seven hundred and thirty dollars. (customer) that's something. (burke) get a whole lot of something with farmers. ♪we are farmers.bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum♪

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. welcome back i'm jake tapper, live in lviv, ukraine, zelenskyy said he was russia's number one target, i asked how his family was dealing with that strain when setting up the interview and later, to reflect on passover and his legacy. how are your wife and kid said, okay? >> normal, thanks so much. >> how are your kids? >> my daughter is almost 18 and son is nine. >> i have a 12-year-old boy and 14-year-old girl. >> so you understand me, 14-year-old girl. we understand. >> i call my daughter and she's

like can't talk, dad, very busy. >> not now. yes, i know it. without locking the door, i can't speak with my own daughter, you know, that's good. >> i know you're not observing, but it's passover and it's the jewish celebration of freedom and i'm wondering if there is a message, for, not just the jews of ukraine but all of ukraine in the message of resilience in difficulty and also freedom, the message of freedom. >> translator: i believe the way we fight for our freedom is the most important message. because you can send a lot of messages with words, and they come from different people. but when it comes to actions, only a few act on their words. and today, i believe ukrainian people show, by their actions, that they are fighting and

protecting freedom, a principle of freedom. and principles are everywhere. and if our people won't be able to protect freedom in their own country, it will be a signal to all other countries that it is allowed -- allowed to just come and stab, come and shoot, come and take other peoples' land. i believe the way our people act today is a signal to the whole world. >> there is a chance that you will not survive this war. the russians have made it clear that they consider you a nazi, et cetera. all that nonsense. how do you want the ukrainian people to remember you? how do you want your son and daughter to remember you? >> a human being that loved life to the fullest, and loved his family, and loved his

motherland. definitely not a hero. i want people to take me as i am -- a regular human. >> you've inspired a lot of people, including not just here in ukraine, but around the world. who inspires you? who are your heros? whose story do you look to for inspiration during dark days here? >> only the people. i believe our people are genuine and unique and i just can't afford to be worse than them. when in certain moments i feel like all of this is dangerous, i understand that all the rest of us are going through this as well. what people are feeling like, who are in basements, who lost their children, what our soldiers feel like right now. and i understand i have to be the strongest one in this situation and this is all. and the most important is the way my children look at me. they have to be proud of me.

this is the most important thing. i do everything for this. >> is ukraine going to win this war? >> yes, of course. >> thank you so much, president zelenskyy. >> thanks so much. up next, we have something else unique and special on this sunday, dave matthews is going to debut a brand new song in support of refugees and we're going to talk about ways that you can help, if you can, so stick around. ♪ here we go...

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the united nations says more than 4.5 million refugees have fled ukraine since the start of the war. it's an enormous humanitarian crisis that is spurring so many people to try to help, including my next guest, you might have heard of him, dave matthews. he is trying to help the best way he knows how. dave, i know you've been really moved by the stories of refugees from ukraine, and frankly, refugees from all over the world. >> first of all, jake, thank you for having me.

and thanks for your efforts right now and bring awareness to what's happening over there. my mom used to always say that war is sort of like madness. it's like a cancer. it's like cells gone awry. it's suddenly everything that we really naturally care about, other humans and our family gets torn apart. and like it's happening right now where you are in ukraine, it's just unfathomable to those of us who are far from it. but it's not only happening there. it's happening in yemen. it's happening in myanmar. it's happening in nigeria. there are just so many places, afghanistan, where people are just trying to survive. and it's violence that is not allowing them to, and terrible violence. those of us, so many of us are part of this chorus of people that are trying to -- hoping that we can somehow turn the tide.

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♪ >> thanks again, jake. and hey, i just wanted to say. there are so many organizations. maybe you can put them on the screen, but like the irc and world central kitchen, jose andres, you know. there are so many great organizations that can help, are helping in their different ways to try and alleviate the suffering of people around the world. and there in ukraine. everybody do what you can, you know. and let's take care of each other. because what's the point otherwise? >> dave, thank you so much. that was so special and moving. i have up on the screen right now one way viewers can donate to world central kitchen and to dozens of other worthwhile

accredited charities. please visit cnn.com/impact, cnn.com/impact. experts are now predicting that this horrific war might last the whole year, if not longer. and i'm worried that folks around the world might already be starting to shrug and hold up their hands in frustration and even turn away, as we do, as the world does, so dishonoring the promise of never again. let's try to pledge to each other right now on this easter, on this passover, on this ramadan to try and not retreat into the numb safety of looking away. the people of ukraine, like those of yemen and syria and myanmar and darfur and rwanda and bosnia and herzegovina and cambodia, they deserve at least our attention. "fareed zakaria gps" is up next.

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this is cnn breaking news. >> hello and welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm john vause live in lviv, ukraine on day 54 of vladimir putin's war of choice. what appears to be a defiant final stand by the last remaining troops in mariupol, refusing a russian ultimatum to surrender or die. >> and i'm michael holmes at cnn's world headquarters in atlanta. chinese ships, contested islands, and growing concern in japan that china could be inspired by russia's