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ukranian president volodymyr zelenskyy announcing today that russian forces have begun their assault on the eastern side of ukraine. >> translator: russian forces have started the battle on donbas, for which they've been preparing fire long time, and a considerable amount of russian forces are concentrated and
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focused on that offensioffensiv. no matter how many russian servicemen they're bringing in that area, we will continue fighting and defending, and we will be doing this daily. >> plus airstrikes hitting western ukraine, causing the first wartime deaths inside the city of lviv since putin's invasion. at least several people killed, several more injured. here in the u.s., confusion at airports tonight after the cdc's mask mandate for travelers was struck down by a federal judge. we'll break down what it means for your next flight. first i want to begin with cnn's matt rivers for the latest western attack in the russian city of lviv. >> lviv has largely been spared the horrors of this war which made the black smoke in monday's skies so unusual here. we chased one such plume until we arrived at its source, flames shooting out of two buildings as firefighters rained water down
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from above. >> ukranian officials say at least four missile strikes across lviv on monday morning, three of which hit military infrastructure sites, another hitting just across these railroad tracks behind me. let me show you the impact crater from where ukranian officials say that russian missile struck. military and first responders on the scene quickly thereafter. the explosion destroying an auto repair shop and a dozen or so cars lined up outside. the explosion's shock waves blew out windows more than 500 feet away. maria showed us her building's damage. i got very scared, she says, and i was scared the whole building was going to fall down. i don't know whether i should stay here in this building or if i should move to poland and flee for my life. overall, the four strikes across the city killed at least seven people and injured about a dozen, including a child. here scenes from a hospital treating victims of the strike
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who survived. other victims in body bags outside the repair shop where they worked. the owner said they were just getting ready to open up the business for the day when the missile struck. four of his employees, he said, were killed, and several others were sent to the hospital. in what appears to be such an obvious nonmilitary target, it begs the question, was this a mistake by the russian military, or was this place targeted on purpose? the owner told us the only vague connection his shop had to the military was volunteering time to make sure cars being sent to soldiers at the front were in good shape. for him this is just another example of russian military brutality. he says, they destroy our infrastructure, they kill people. they want to kill and destroy the ukranian nation. several of those who died have families with young children. so instead of leaving work to go home and see them, their bodies
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were taken to the morgue. more victims in a needless war. matt rivers, cnn, lviv, ukraine. >> matt, thank you very much for that. i want to turn now to cnn's john bost. he is in lviv for us. john, hello to you. we're hearing russia started its attack in eastern ukraine. wha what's the latest? >> reporter: donbas reports a significant increase in military activity in the east. they are taking over the homusk region, and russian forces were held back in two other areas. 600 ukranian military were hit, three as well as personnel,
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emergency equipment. we have no way to confirm any of those claims by the russians, but we can confirm at least four missile strikes here in lviv which left seven people dead. russia claims a large consignment of u.s. weapons were being stored here in lviv. again, no way to confirm that, either, don. >> wow. there is new video from the city of mariupol to show. it shows women and children reportedly sheltering for weeks in the basement of a plant. what can you tell us about this, john? >> reporter: this is where the last remaining fighters in mariupol have been actually holed up. it's the iron and steel plant, and from what we can tell from this video, it does look as if it's genuine, but it appears to these families, who have taken cover there, along with these ukranian defenders who are making their last final stance at this sprawling iron and steel works. we've also heard from the chief of the mariupol police who
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confirmed to cnn that women and children and the elderly are among those sheltering inside that steel works. don, this is the steel works in which mostly separatist leaders of the region referred to last week as a possible target for a chemical attack to rid it of the l last remaining ukranian fighters. >> also getting an image of the ship sinking in the black sea. what did you learn about that? >> this is truly stunning. this is the moskva on fire in the port. there is nothing in these images to confirm what the kremlin has been saying, that they have been saying during stormy conditions. on the side of the ship, there is a jagged damaged area. if it had been a total explosion, it would not be
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outwards, it would be inwards, which they are. it doesn't disprove what they're saying. it doesn't do a lot for the russian claims, either. >> it certainly brings some questions. john bost, we'll see you later. appreciate it. for more on russia's new offensive in the east, i want to bring in retired navy general john spencer. he is at madison positive reform, like leadership and social connections in modern war. good to have you, sir. good evening. colonel, president zelenskyy says that the russians have been preparing for the battle for donbas and it's now underway. how do you see this next phase of the war playing out? because perhaps, you can correct me if i'm wrong, perhaps, though, they may have learned from the mistakes they made. >> yeah, don, i think you're right. there are, of course, lessons they learned from trying to take over all of ukraine and they failed that war, so they started a new war over a much smaller
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geographical area. they learned about how hard it is to project power into a country that you don't own, and we call it interior lines. they have a new commander, so they learned a lesson about a chain of command and needing a theater commander. some of these are the old troops. they're going to make some of the same mistakes despite the fact the pentagon said they added ten tactical terror groups or about 10,000 more soldiers. i see this going as badly as the first failed attempt going. >> hurtling said the next few weeks will be a battle of logistics. tell us about why you think ukraine has the advantage like general hurtling does? >> general hurtling, i really admire him. i agree. we say amateurs are fighting. the world saw the power of that
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when russia tried to take kyiv. ukraine has a more disciplined force, they have more interior lines where they can create redundancies, right? we all know where russia is coming from. the lines are very clear on the map where they need to go and where they need to resupply. those are what we call lines of communication. ukrainians don't have that problem. you and i talked about this last time. although lviv clearly will be a target, they know where weapons come through. after you get past that, there are multiple roads that the ukrainians can use to get in. oh, by the way, they're getting a whole bunch more helicopters. what can you do in areas you control? fly helicopters and get supplies, men, weapons, equipment to the front line quicker. i agree, russia is going to fail in just supplying their people. it's one thing to get them there without them being broken apart like we are already seeing and getting demoralized troops to fight, anyway. then you attack their supply
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lines, exactly. >> so the russians have been fighting in the donbas for years. that part is not new. the pentagon says they know the terrain. how will that impact their tactics in the east? >> i understand that. they've been fighting there for like eight years. they have the ability to also affirm russia into the forces in the east. it matters. the forces they had there, some of them are fresh. so this may be a high attritional -- the worst fighting we've ever seen. that's why we have to get the equipment. >> i think that's where you were going. it just dawned on me as i asked that question, they weren't getting the weapons they were getting from nato and ally countries, and so, therefore, it makes this fight much harder. i think that's where you were going with your answer. >> yeah, absolutely. and you and i agree there is an urgency here. the 40,000 artillery rounds that we're sending is great.
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they're going to need 40,000 rounds a day. 18 artillery howitzers are great. they're going to need 1800. the russians don't go too far fighting on the lines. >> the u.s. is saying that russia has added 11 ba although yan tactical groups to their forces in the east and the south. this is just last week. what could the impact of that kind of increase do? does it tell you how the military leadership thinks things are going, that they are bringing in these kinds of numbers? >> no, it shows to me that they're desperate, again, don. a new commander, and i'm sure he has a timeline. whether that's may 8th in the russian celebration or not, he's being rushed. even the pentagon says we don't know the quality of these
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additional battalion groups. they could be the exact same 40s they're rushing out of the kyiv/kharkiv area and rushing them in, which would be the poorest form of fighters you can. we know they didn't have these troops. they didn't call up their reserves. they didn't do a mobilization of their russian reserves. so these forces aren't -- it's not like these are the best of the best of their fighting forces, this is what they've thrown together and thrown at this because they're desperate to get some type of a win. >> colonel, i always learn so much. very good. thank you. we'll see you soon. >> thank you, don. i have to turn to important news for travelers here in the u.s. the biden administration is saying the cdc's mandate for mask wearing is not in effect after it was struck down by a federal judge. so stephanie elam is at the airport. what does this mean for
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travelers? what's going on? >> reporter: exactly, don, it's all over the place. some people come off happy they don't have to wear a mask, others want ting to wear a mask. this happened so quickly, so there wasn't a plan in place, and it was happening effective immediately so people were finding out midflight, as they were boarding the flight, as they were getting off the flight. i took a little walk through burbank, which is a smaller airport, but i can tell you people still have their mask on, half of them, walking or flying, and the other half don't. as we've gotten here longer in the evening, you can see people have learned they don't have to wear their masks as of now. >> all right. let's hear from them. >> i'll always wear my mask. i lost my grandmother to covid a year ago, and so i'm very particular about the masks. >> my personal opinion, they don't do much, so, yeah, i'm
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excited. if you want to wear them, wear them. if not, don't. >> all right. >> reporter: the thing is, though, the signs are still up. it's going to take time to take down these signs that say you have to wear your mask, because this was a surprise. so there's still probably going to be some confusion, don, for the next day or so as people sort this out. i can tell you, too, that the association behind the flight attendants is saying, let's get a uniform decision here, a plan out there, because they don't want to deal with the public, some people saying, we don't have to wear a mask on this airline, and we do on this one. they want a uniform plan, obviously, just to make it easier for them. >> we had sarah nelson on saying exactly what you're saying now, this happened too abruptly and there should have been some sort of warning so everyone could have been on the same page. look, i think no one wants to wear a mask, right? it's not something you just, hey, look, i prefer to wear a mask all day. but there are reasons.
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so we'll see. stephanie elam at the airport, burbank international, steph. come see us. jump on a plane. >> i'll get on a plane and come see you, don. thank you. >> thank you. let's talk more about ukraine tonight. is ukraine turning into psychological warfare? we're going to tell you about the new tactic they're using to get into the heads of russians back home. stay with us. under budget too! and i get seven days to lovove it or my money back... i i love it! i thought online meant no one to help me, but susan from carvana had all the answers. she didn't try to upsell me. not once, because they're not salespeople! what are you...? guess who just checked in on me? mom... susan from carvana! [laughs] we'll drive you happy at carvana.
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says ukraine is scanning faces of dead russians, then contacontacts i -- contacting the mothers, sending those pictures to their families. i want to talk to colonel leon collins, former defense adviser to ukraine. good evening. john, we have discussed on this show before that the thing that most resonates most with residents about this russian war is when their children don't return home. will ukrainians using i.d. on these russian soldiers have the effect they want it to? >> you know, don, i understand the emotional reasons for doing this, and it's certainly scientifically clever. but i have my doubts about how this plays in russia. i think it will play fine with some people who will take it, if they are predisposed to not like
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this war, who will take it as evidence that it's a bad idea. but i think a lot of russians will find this to be a little over the top in terms of -- a little macabre, and it could backfire on the ukrainians in that sense. as much as i want to support them and believe in their cause, this may not be the right tactic. >> technology is able to identify many of these dead soldiers through their social media platforms. is this a clear indication that the war isn't just a physical one, but a virtual one as well? >> that's correct, and really, they took a page out of the russians' book. russians did similar types of things earlier in the conflict of the donbas where they targeted cell phones and ukranian members and spoofed family members, sending them a text about their son being killed, which didn't happen. this is a case where the ukrainians actually learned from the russians and are leveraging
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that 21st century technology. >> do you believe this is a good idea? john says it might not go over well with some. >> you have the legal or moral aspect to it, and is it a good decision to accomplish what you're trying to do. i think john has the right idea on this one, but like discriminate bombing, actually galvanizes the population to be more committed to their cause. i think it's too early to tell, but as a former soldier, i really wouldn't want my family members being targteted. i can see how this would have a chance of backfiring. >> what about retaliation? >> yeah, i don't know what russia will do to retaliate in this case. i mean, you know, russia is going to do indiscriminate bombing as they've done throughout the conflict, and as we saw, hitting targets in lviv today. i don't really see russia retaliating in any specific way because they don't really seem
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to be beholden to strike just military targets. >> john, do you agree with that? >> your one point is the main one here. regardless of how it plays out in russia, this is the first social media war. this is the first war i recall where social media has played such a powerful role. it has empowered people who otherwise would not have a lot of power. online you can look up conversations among russian soldiers who were talking on open lines. you can find out on youtube. this is unlike any other war in that respect. and the facial recognition technology is not a new thing for the ukrainians. working with the united states, they did essentially this in crimea when the russians took it over. remember the little green men. they used this kind of technology to identify them as russian military when the
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russians were sailing, nah, they're just loyal locals, you know. >> just take the knowledge in general. i've covered several wars in my career as a journalist, but to be able to get people live from bunkers in their homes as they're being bombed, it's fascinating to watch the technological advances when it comes to our coverage of an active war. john, according to "the post," a digital rights group have called on clearview to stop the war with ukraine due to miscommunication. is that a general concern? >> it is a real concern. this technology is great, but it's not perfect, particularly on people who aren't alive. you know, some forms of it americans are very familiar with. we use it on our iphones. the iphone measures about 300
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points on your face in order to use facial id with the iphone. but in certain circumstances where you.net don't have a lot control over what you're photographing, although the company claims it's 99% accurate. the other thing is we've seen use of this technology in identifying some of the january 6 insurrectionists in this country, and that, too, has provoked some calls from civil liberties groups about the appropriateness of that. to me it seems fine, but this is something that's popping up a lot in what we call open source intelligence. that is to say, there are ethical issues that you don't normally encounter in some of these circumstances that arise from the fact that information is so easily available and so easily propagated without much governance of it. it's going to be an issue. >> colonel collins, you know the
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ukranian forces well since you've worked with them. are there other methods of nontraditional warfare that they're use to go combat this russian invasion? >> i would say they're using every tool they can think of. like john said, the use of social media, zelenskyy has been phenomenal with communicating to the west and trying to explain the need and why they need various support from the west. so i think you're seeing that, and other times we're not seeing how they're using technology right with volunteers, they're just ukranian citizens identifying where russian vehicles are located so the ukranian forces can take them out. i think there's probably more going on that we just haven't seen yet. >> colonel, i have to ask you about the security aid for ukraine. there are a number of weapons included in this latest $800 million package including
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helicopters, switchblade drones, howitzers, javelins. how quickly do you expect ukraine to be trained on this new weaponry? >> most of it is similar to what they already have or very similar to what they have. javelins we started producing in 2018, so they've trained on that. the m-17s are russian helicopters. it's the same helicopter they've had, so there's no learning curve on that. not as much of a fighting vehicle. so a fairly low learning curve on that, and that's by design, right? we don't want to give them weapon systems that will take long time to train them on because we want to get them distributed. probably the longest one is the munitions drums, and those take a couple days, probably, to train somebody. that's probably the one that requires the most training time.
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by and large the weapon systems that we're getting them are things they already have or extremely similar to one they already have, so very little learning curve to them. >> thank you both, gentlemen. we'll have you back on soon. a school in columbus, ohio asking an invited guest author not to read from his own book. the author shis here. we'll tell you what happened. stay tuned, next. cooold cuts cooold cuts
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you've got to listen to this. it's okay to be a unicorn. or is it? a school district just outside columbus, ohio asking a guest author earlier this month not to read his book about being different to elementary school students. it is the latest example of books becoming controversial in schools without any credible reason, and it's certainly not the last, including in florida where math textbooks are being removed from the curriculum because of alleged references -- alleged -- references to critical race theory. seriously. in math books. okay. math textbooks. jason thorpe is the author of "it's okay to be a unicorn". he joins also with us senior commentator bakari sellers. jason, i want stto start with yr
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experience. you were able to go to the school in the buckeye valley district, but you weren't able to talk about or read "it's okay to be a unicorn." why not? >> i was told the day before the visit that the principal was not going to have that conversation with me. they thought that it was not to be on the agenda. there was one parent who was concerned about discussions about the unicorn because they thought it was a book to tell children to be gay. >> some parents thought it was a book to recruit children to be gay? >> one parent did. >> to be clear, so everyone else knows, what exactly is your book about? >> it's actually a story i liked
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growing up in a small town where i would share my dreams, and then you feel insecure, so i felt i needed to tell the story from a point of view that children can understand. it was a horse living in a unicorn kennel. someone puts on beautiful horns and he is chosen to be the honorary unicorn, and he thought he would reveal that he's not a unicorn. then he thought what if my friends don't like me, what if this, what if that? then you realize he doesn't care about what they think, and for the first time he really felt good about being who he was.
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>> this is wheat the buckeye valley superintendent says. he said, unfortunately, before we were able to gather all the facts, there was a miscommunication that led to the altering of the original plan. although the students were still able to enjoy the event, i regret that things played out the way it did which may have led to misunderstandings. the district says there were some parental concerns here. are parents doing the work to understand what exactly is being taught, jason? >> well, yeah, what's interesting is i live 12 miles from the school. i would have brought some sketches and we would have discussed all of this. we had bulk sales of this book as parents in this school ordered about 500 copies, but they worried a lot about the unicorn book. so, yeah, they had all the materials six to eight weeks before i got there, and it was
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the day before when all this happened. i didn't get inquiries about anything from the parents, more the opposite of how excited they were that i was coming. >> bakari, you've been sitting by patiently waiting. i can't wait to hear you weigh in on this. what happened to jason is really just a microcosm of what's happening across the country flight, correct? >> yeah. i think what we have to do is a few things. one, realize it's okay to be gay. two, it's okay to be a unicorn. three, go out and buy jason's book so more young people have an opportunity to feel good about themselves. but what we're seeing is this wave of anti-intellectualism sweep across country. you see these republican governors who don't want people to feel comfortable in their own skin, who don't want people to learn about their history, who are afraid of freedom and growth in young people.
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it's okay to be a unicorn. this is bad english, i know, but i tell hershey's the most beautifulest princess mermaid in the entire world. yes, it's okay to be a princess, it's okay to be a mermaid and it's okay to be a unicorn. >> wow. did you ever watch "wizard of oz"? >> i don't know why people are so scared of gay folk, don. maybe that's the question. that's what i don't get. i don't know why people are so scared of gay folks in the south. >> it's the magic. people are afraid of the magic. you wouldn't have the magic kingdom without gay people. you wouldn't have the magic of just about everything. but hey, that's a whole other story. did you want to say anything, jason? >> it's amazing to me, it seems like people have forgotten what it was like to be a kid. for me i'm writing these books because i'm writing to that one kid who feels alone, bad,
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confused. i write this because i love that we are different. it's just amazing that we would want to take this outlet away from our children, because books entertained me as a kid. this may reach that one kid, and it seems so great because you don't know what book will affect what kid in what way. it's really sad. >> i was just, like, glancing down at some of these numbers, because you mentioned florida, bakari. in florida, the department of corrections rejected more than 50 math books next year, 60% in grades k through 5, some of them will reference to critical race theory. critical race theory is not in the curriculum, and the idea that it's in math textbooks, seriously? >> wait until they find out some math is not binary, right?
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but, i mean, it makes you laugh about it if it wasn't so sad. i'm not quite sure what exactly we're doing. if you want to bring it back to the 50,000-foot view, it's putinesque, it's authoritarianism. it's showing what we don't want the united states of america to be. this is the proverbial book burning minus the smoke and flames. in school there should be a place. i'm not for cancel culture on either side. i think if you want to bring somebody who is a right wing nut to the campus, you should be able to do that. i think if you want to educate people or whatever, you should be able to do that. schools should be a place where you have an opportunity to learn as much as possible about what the world is and what it should be or could be. what we're doing right now is just stifling them in what we believe america is, and unfortunately, i don't think america fits the mold for any of us on this planet. >> look, i'm going to disagree
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with you on that. i don't think a right wing nut job, and i wouldn't want to talk to the about them to my kids. i have to run, though. this is not the end of this conversation. jason, best of luck to you. "it's okay to be a unicorn." we always talked about me being a unicorn, but that's because i'm the only black person in prime time on cable. bye, y'all. thank you very much. best of luck. >> thank you. ukraine now just outside of kyiv, cnn goes inside a now abandoned russian military camp. we're going to take you there. that's next. if you're not oozing, then you're losing. tatater totting, cold or hotting. mealin', feelin'n', pie-ing, trying.
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encampment. we need to warn you, it is shocking. here among the trees about an hour's drive north of kyiv how the remains of a sprawling russian military camp. we're shown around by ukranian special forces. this soldier says the positions were held by russian marines. we see a sprawling network of underground fighting positions, command posts, sleeping areas and ammunition storage. while everywhere there is evidence of how the russians lived and that evidence suggests their existence here was neither disciplined nor comfortable. it is so quiet here now, just some bird noise and a light breeze. recently there were 6,000 russian soldiers bedded down through these woods in a camp that is so large you can't see where it begins and where it
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ends. living here would have been hard. it was through the coldest of the winter days. four weeks, stopped here short of kyiv, after they failed to take the capitol quickly. the silence is broken by ethics to deal with some unidentified ordinance. this camp is damning proof of russia's failures on this front. poor preparation, desperately wrong assumptions about the numbers and resources needed to conquer kyiv. what lessons do you take from all of this for combat in battle in the east? he says he sees the volume of the area and he understands this will be two to three times greater in the donbas. this force wasn't confined to the forest. its commanding officers lived a little more comfortably in the nearby village of shivka.
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a local mechanic said he was detained and interrogated for almost 24 hours. he says he was beaten, blindfolded, tied up, and subjected to mock executions. he says he's never known fear like it and constantly thought those were his last moments on earth. local priest vicelli describes dealing with the aftermath of even greater cruelty. he says he found five men tortured and killed in the garden, two more in the forest. and the russians brought him two dead women and told him to bury them. other russians in this area camped out in fields with their artillery pieces and stole what comforts they could. a mattress, alcohol, words from shakespeare. rockets flew through the sky and when they hit the earth, it was
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mostly civilians who felt their power. in hostumel, they show the aftermath of a russian rocket strike. this >> this is the central explosion. >> reporter: and where some of the its victims were for now, the enemies in the forest, fields, and villages have left this part of ukraine. the fruits of their previous stay, the pain, trauma, and loathing remain. phil black, cnn, ukraine. >> phil, thank you so much. we'll a we'll be right back. ♪ lunchables! built to be eaten.
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alexei navalny. >> i have to organize people. the kremlin hates navalny so much, that they refuse to say his name. >> come on poisoned? seriesly? seriously? we are creating a coalition to fight this regime. if you are killed, what message do you leave behind to the russian people? >> it's very simple. never give up. >> navalny, sunday at 9:00 on cnn and streaming on cnn plus.
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