added to their growing collection. and added to their growing collection. that was a single 500-pound bock and that's how you make it safe according to this disposal team. they've got two more to go. their air-delivered bombs recovered from a downed russian aircraft and they're going to destroy both at the same time. the big ones are easy to find and you get the feeling fun to destroy. most of the effort hunting down mines and other abandoned ordnance is painfully careful work, scanning and prodding the earth with intense focus for hours at a time. but there's urgency, too, because discarded and deliberately planted weapons are

harming people weeks after the russians left this territory. this truck hit a mine north of kyiv, incinerating the driver. this emergency vehicle also ran over something explosive, injuring eight on board. there are many painful legacies to russia's brief presence in this part of the country. ukrainians are working to ensure this one doesn't endure. kate, the scale of this problem is vast. president zelenskyy has said that he thinks ukraine is now the most mined country in the world. a commanding officer of this disposal team told us he is working to a simple formula. he says he thinks for every year of this war it will take another three years to clear up all of the dangerous stuff that's been left behind, but they can't eradicate the risk entirely no matter how careful, how meticulous. they think about 1% of the explosives will not be found and

dealt with, which means there will always be some of it out there waiting to be disturbed for years or perhaps decades to come. kate. >> wow. phil, thank you so much. out front with us now, matt miller, special adviser to the white house national security council. matt, thanks for coming in. president biden said today in speaking about mariupol, the way he put it is there's no evidence yet that mariupol has completely fallen, but it is effectively surrounded. we know that. does the u.s. think ukraine can retake control of the rest of the city outside of the steel plant complex at this point? >> you know, one of the things, kate, i think it is foolish to do in this war is try to make predictions about something that is unherently unpredictable. it is clear that those in the steel mill continue to defend themselves. president putin admits they've

failed to take the steelworks and now they're going to blockade it. we have learned not to take president putin for his word but to watch and see what russia actually does. >> that's for sure. i mean i actually wanted to ask you about putin's comments today. the way he puts it is he scrapped plans to storm the steel plant because he doesn't need to. instead he called it a success, ordering forces to blockade the plant so not even a fly could get through is the way he put it. >> yeah. >> do you think he is actually changing course though? >> we don't know. we are oven asked what do we think president putin is trying to do and we try hard not to put ourselves in his mind or make predictions about what he might do because we try to watch what he actually does versus what he says. sure, he claims they're not going to storm the plant, but this is the same president that claimed they were never going to invade ukraine in the first place and the same president who claims that they were not trying to take kyiv after they were defeated in the battle of kyiv. so we will continue to not take

him for his word but we will watch his actions and watch the actions of russia, and we will continue to hold them accountable for the actions. >> do you think it could have something to do, is it a possibility, you know, as the council is looking, security council is looking for this that has something to do with the may 9th celebration, why he would come out to say this? >> look, i don't know. i will say they have, you know, from the beginning of this wanted to have victories and been unable to show tangible results that would yield those victories. it is certainly possible he wants some victory by may 9th, but, look, they wanted the entire war to be over by now. their initial plan was to take kyiv in just a few days, to take the entire country in a few weeks and they failed in all of the objectives so far. whether they want to have a victory by may 9th is impossible to tell, but i will say the initial victories they wanted to have, they failed completely in those objectives. >> the new images we showed showing a mass grave, and the way they see it is 200 burial

plots. we know zelenskyy says what has happened there will turn out to be worse than bucha. do you think that's correct? do you think it is right? >> look, i think everywhere we see the russian military withdraw we see more and more evidence of war crimes, not just in bucha but all around the country. that's why we're doing two things to hold the russian military and the russian leadership accountable. number one, we are documenting these atrocities. we are working with our ukrainian partners and other allies and partners to gather evidence of atrocities, to gather evidence of war crimes and make that evidence available to the appropriate prosecutorial bodies. number two, we will continue to flow weapons into ukraine so the ukrainian military and ukrainian people can defend themselves against the russian military. you saw the president announce today an additional $800 million in security assistance. that's dozens of new howitzer artillery system, new drones that the ukrainian military can use. so we are going to continue to get security assistance in this country so the ukrainians can defend themselves against the army that's committing these

atrocities and attempt to repel them from the country as they repelled them from kyiv. >> i spoke to an advisor to zelenskyy just today and they said they are happy, that the pace of the weapons are really coming in now and they're happy and appreciative of what is being sent over, no doubt about that. at the same time c, nn, matt, reported this week u.s. intelligence has little ability to track the weapons once they cross into ukraine, once they cross the border. how concerned are you that these weapons could be falling into enemy hands? >> look, we're not concerned. it is zblurnot our job to track weapons once they're in ukraine. it is ukraine's job to make sure they're best deployed. >> there are ways to track them if you wanted to. >> our job is to get them into the region as quickly as possible and turn them over to the ukrainian military to deploy them. it is up to the ukrainian military to decide whether these weapons can be deployed in the north as they were in the

beginning of the conflict, in the south, in the east, as they are preparing to do with the artillery systems we're providing them. our job is to get them to them as quickly as possible and let them decide where to deploy them. >> it sound like it is a risk the administration is willing to take. >> look, our job, like i said, is just to get them in and let the ukrainian military -- always, you know, always in conflict there is risk of material falling from, you know, one side into the other. you have seen the ukrainians capture significant amount of russian tanks and other russian material. we are confident that the systems we are getting into ukraine, they know how to use and they're using them to great effect. we see the evidence of it on the battlefield. you see it every day when you see the javelins put to use to destroy russian tanks and destroy russian armored personnel carriers. we think you will see >> matt miller, thank you very much. >> thank you, kate. >> outfront next, the incredible story of how a ukrainian teenager and his family survived

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the cross bearing katya's name was made by his grandfather, who dug the shallow grave because they couldn't store the bodies at the hospital. >> translator: i can't take this well when i see this. i cry but i am not showing this. i feel weak, because i cannot do anything. >> yvonne is 16 years old. in two months of war, he's witnessed the innocence of childhood die before his eyes. watching yvonne makes you wonder how a teenage mind copes with the horror in front of him. his family says, to understand, we must see what they experienced. yvonne's family never left this backyard shed for more than 30 days, while russian troops occupied this city. yvonne's grandfather and father showed us how they survived on nothing but homemade bread. so basically, they will take the grain, the raw grain, and grind it down into flour. or a version of flour. and then, they would make their

own bread in this oven and that's what they lived on for more than a month. >> five adults and four children hid in this underground bunker. this is where yvonne heard weeks of artillery blasts and cries t for help. the sounds of war, that will haunt survivors forever. >> translator: i slept here. my sister and my mom slept here. and another family slept here, too. we tried to curl up and sleep here together. sometimes, when things got really scary, our dads would come down and stay with us. >> reporter: yvonne's grandfather sergei says russian soldiers told him the family would be killed if they tried to escape. police say more than 50 people were killed here, many of them shot as they tried to run away. the death toll is expected to climb. >> how frightening was this experience for you?

>> reporter: sergei is stoic as we talk about surviving the russian's siege but there is one question that pierces his heart. do you worry about your grandchildren witnessing this war? >> reporter: grandfather and father know their children will never be the same. and why do you feel it was important to be here at this moment? >> translator: so people can see for themselves, the whole world should see how the russian world comes request kills civilians for nothing. >> when you get older, what do you think you will remember about this moment and this day?

>> translator: i will remember everything. i will remember every day, and i will tell my children and my grandchildren. i will remember this all my life. >> reporter: he is a teenager, who refuses to look away from the raw reality of this war. >> you know, one of the questions that this family can't answer and yvonne can't answer is how they were some of the lucky ones, to be able to survive this ordeal. they heard stories in their city as people were leave taking buses down the road that russian forces were firing at the buses of evacuees. um, and how they were able to survive all of this, they don't have answers to. you can tell it weighs on them significantly. >> every family, every person, all these stories, each one of them, just so gut-wrenching. unbelievable. thank you, ed, for bringing it.

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president barack obama in a rare-public appearance, saying the spread of lies and conspiracy theories has v led to the rise of strongmen just like vladimir putin. obama warning, the very foundation of democracy is at risk like never before. donie o'sullivan is out front. >> people like putin, and steve bannon, for that matter. in understand, it's not necessary for people to believe this information in order to weaken democratic institutions. you just have to flood a country's public square with enough raw sewage. use that to raise enough

questions, spread enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy theorizing that citizens no longer know what to believe. >> reporter: former-president barack obama coming to stanford, the heart of silicon valley thursday with a warning about the threat that disinformation proses to manner dpok rasy, putting putin and bannon in the same sentence, and saying he underestimated in 2016 how powerful conspiracy theories had become. >> no one in my administration was surprised that russia was attempting to meddle in our election. what does still nag at me, though, was my failure to fully appreciate, at the time, just how susceptible we had become to lies and conspiracy theories. >> reporter: those lies and con spir theories still very much alive in the u.s. >> we just saw a sitting president deny the clear results of an election. and help incite a violent insurrection at the nation's capitol. social media did not create

racism or white supremacist groups. all these things existed long before the first tweet or facebook poke. solving the disinformation problem won't cure all the ails of democracies or tears at the tab rick of our world. but it can help tamp down divisions, and let us rebuild the trust and solidarity needed. >> reporter: obama laid out how he believes social media algorithms, designed to maximize engagement and keep people hooked are contributing to a kriefrs in democracy. >> it turns out, inflammatory, polarizing content attracts and engages. other features of these platforms have compounded the problem. for example, the way content looks on your phone, as well as the veil of anonymity that platforms provide their users, a lot of times can make it impossible to tell the

difference between, say, a peer-reviewed article by dr. anthony fauci, and a miracle cure being pitched by a huckster. people are dying because of misinformation. >> reporter: obama said it is time for social-media companies to step up. >> tech platforms need to accept they play a unique role in how we, as a people, and people around the world, are consuming information, and that their decisions have an impact on every aspect of society. with that power, comes accountability. >> reporter: and the former president there, calling on these platforms to be more transparent about algorithms, how content goes viral on their platforms, and he also spoke a little bit about possible government' regulation of big tech. however, he did describe himself as almost a free-speech absolutist. so doesn't want to have the government and it would be against first amendment rk of course, to regulate speech but

wants to explore different ways these platforms could be held accountable and could be regulated by the government. kate. >> donie, thank you so much. and now, i want to bring in david axelrod. former-senior adviser to president obama, and cnn senior political commentator. david, obama said today that people are dying because of misinformation. and it was striking, that he put putin and steve bannon in the same sentence. that's not out of coincidence. does he really think that they are on the same level when it comes to disinformation? >> well, first of all, i should point out that, um, i -- i speak to president obama from time to t time. i haven't spoken for him in a decade so, you know, that question probably should be directed to him but i will tell you that in -- i read the portion of the speech -- i -- i saw the whole speech, read the portion in which he mentioned bannon and i think he was

speaking about how disinformation has been used to -- to undermine democracies. just pouring all kinds of divisive material into the marketplace to get people to make people distrustful, to make -- to divide people, and in that sense, i think he would probably lump the two of them together. i don't think he was, you know, i don't think he was making a judgment about who was responsible for more deaths or -- or -- or any other scale like that. >> right. he also acknowledged, um, i found interesting when he was president he said he didn't appreciate how susceptible the country had become to lies and conspiracy theories. it -- it's a surprising, especially because he, himself, was a target of conspiracy theories for years. why do you think he missed that? >> he noted that. i think he has a fundamental confidence in the rationality of people. and felt that people -- you know, i experienced this with him in the white house, when --

when the whole birther movement grew, donald trump was leading that movement. and he thought it was so preposterous that anyone would assume that he wasn't born where he said he was born that he -- he he, for the long edest time t didn't want to engage it and said let's not entertain this. let's not give it more attention, until finally it became clear that, you know, a significant number of people actually were believing it. and so, you know, he did have that experience but he did retain this belief that people could separate fact from fiction and i think what he said in his speech today was even in fall of 2016, that was -- that was his assumption more than it should have been. >> a lot of lessons learned, lot of eyes opened coming from that. i do want to ask you about something else, david, that is out there that we have been tracking. this news out of florida. the republican legislature there

just passed two bills that are widely viewed as leretribution r the don't say gay law. this war against disney, among other culture wars has been very good for republican governor ron desantis, i mean in his polling numbers especially. but i tonight know, if this just a republican version of cancel c culture? something republicans have very clearly loved to hate about democrats? >> well, they love the phrase, and they've -- they've -- that he have made hay of that b. but clearly they are very hard on views they don't agree with and in this case, i would think there would be many republicans who would be upset about this. the idea a governor and state legislature would tamper in a really significant way with the financial interests of a major employer, stri in that state because they disagree with the political stance they took. that is antithetical to the

philosophy that -- you know, of free enterprise and capitalism that republicans generally tout so i would think that, even republicans would be upset about this. now, i understand that governor desantis has -- has made some gains in the republican party, particularly with the activist-republican base by taking these musiccular moves b you think there is a real paradox republicans are going to have sort out. >> good to see you dave, thanks for coming in. >> out fron front next. putin's nemesis says russian forces killed a man pause his last name was also navalny. his passport left next to the body it make the point. plus, johnny depp on the stand addressing his past drug and alcohol use. >> and -- and you would sometimes drink whiskey in the mornings too, right? >> isn't happy hour anytime?

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opposition leader and putin's nemesis, tweeting russian forces killed a ukrainian man simply because he had the same name posting this photo of his passport and tweeting this, quote, everything indicates they killed him because of his last name. that is yeah his passport was defiantly thrown nearby. while cnn has not yet independently verified his death, it highlights the urgency, though, behind the cnn film premiering sunday. the story of alexei navalny. here is a preview. >> putin tried to kill with nov novichok and he opened his blue eyes like wide, and said very clear -- [ speaking foreign language ] >> come on. poisoned? i don't believe it. like, he is back. this is alexei. putin is not supposed to be so stumd to use this novichok. his intonation.

if you want to kill someone, just shoot him. jesus christ, like real alexei. it is impossible to believe it. it is kind of stupid. the -- the whole idea of poisoning with a chemical weapon -- this is why this is so smart because even reasonable people, they refuse to believe like what? come on? poisoned? seriously? >> the kremlin and russia's security services, of course, deny that they played any role in navalny's poisoning. still, outfront now, odesa, a producer of that film who was on ground with alexei navalny throughout the filming of it. thank you so much for coming in. odesa, the fact that someone if we could just start with what i said off top, the fact someone could be killed just because they share a name with navalny, i mean does that say everything you need oh know about how threaten putin is tone ian though navalny is behind bars right now? >> absolutely. and this was one of the biggest, um, things that i discovered as

we were shooting, was the lengths that putin will go to, the distance that he will go. we are seeing it now with ukraine. everyone thought it wouldn't happen. but, um, we -- discovering these poisoners following alexei for three years before they actually tried to kill hem. >> we just played that clip of him talking about the moment he realized he had been poisoned. another major part of the film is when he dupes a russian spy into revealing how he was poisoned. you see that, and you realize you all had one shot to get ha that right. i mean, did you think it would actually work as well as -- as it did? >> absolutely not. honestly, we -- this idea was actually proposed -- i think, on one of the first days of us shooting with alexei. and alexei came up with this idea, like, why don't we just try and call them since we have the numbers? because contrhris was so good

uncovering this investigation so we planned this phone call day and actually the phone call took place in an airbnb daniel and i were staying in in the black forest because it was during covid. we couldn't rent studio space or anything like that so i got this big airbnb and -- and we set up this table, and we -- we -- everyone came over at 4:30 in the morning because we wanted to catch these, um, killers like just as they were waking up. before they had time to think too much. or check in with their bosses. you know? which was 7:00 a.m., russia, we started the call. the first calls went through and he was like, alexei, but nothing came of it. and then this call started. and it -- it -- you don't see it in the film but it actually went on for 50 minutes, almost an hour. and, you know, daniel was just like trying to hold the camera still and nikki, our other dp, a well and me in the kitchen like -- and -- and when it ended, um, we knew like i don't

speak russian. but we tiobviously knew somethi crazy had gone down and chris was like we got confession! and immediately, we were all like freaked out and running around, like call the german police? we need backup! we thought like fsb has three brain cells, they would -- they would be busting through the doors, and um, herding us to try to take the footage. so yes, it was definitely one of the craziest moments of my life. >> i mean, absolutely. just having you retell it, again, is -- is so com peming to watch. the entire film is really remarkable. really nice meet you. thanks for coming in. >> thank you so much for having me. >> appreciate it. you can watch the cnn film "navalny," this sunday night at 9:00 right on cnn. out oh front next, actor johnny depp grilled in court about graphic outbursts gout kaut on tape. plus dr. oz, tv doctor turned pennsylvania senate candidate going after biden's poll numbers, and tying himself to donald trump any way he can.

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tonight, actor johnny depp wrapping his third day on the stand telling the jury about past drug use, and facing questions about graphic tenth messages he sent about his wife amber heard. he is suing for millions over an op-ed she wrote about experiences with domestic >> and you would sometimes drink whiskey in the morningsering right. >> isn't happy hour any time? >> johnny depp, amusing the courtroom. even as the defense drills down on his past drug and alcohol use. >> one of your good friends that you have taken drugs with before is marilyn manson, right? >> we have had cocaine together maybe a couple times.

>> the defense showing this photo in boston. he claimed he was asleep. the defense claimed an email between depp and a nurse proves otherwise. >> after she's telling you that she's watching black mask for the third time in a row, you write, i was high as a [ bleep ] when i made that film. ha ha ha. >> the defense casting depp as full of anger. the testimony turning even more crude when the defense used depp's messages to a friend to show his rage toward heard. >> after you said, let's drown her before we burn her, mr. depp, you said i will [ bleep ] her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she's dead. >> yesterday, depp claimed heard was the aggressor, even severing his finger, which she denies. >> she threw the large bottle, and it made contact. >> the defense showing writings from depp in paint and blood from his severed finger and an email where depp alludes to cutting the finger himself. >> i have chopped off my left

middle finger as a reminder that i should never cut my finger off again. >> it was a pathetic attempt at humor. my apologies. >> depp's 50 million defamation suit against his ex-wife is in repauns to heard's 2018 op-ed in "the washington post" about surviving domestic abuse. while she never mentioned depp, he asserts it got him boosted from his role in the pirates of the craribbean series. the defense asserts there was abuse in the marriage, playing this audio after a fight. >> there was not an intentional head butt. >> depp denies he ever struck any woman. the couple met in 2009 on the set of the rum diary and married in 2015 before their contentious divorce the year later with both accusing the other of abusive

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to president biden's win in 2020. manu raju is "outfront" tonight. >> democrats are facing the most daunting midterm environment in a dozen years, with republicans favored to take the house. and the 50/50 senate up for grabs. but here, in the heart of trump country, in a rural pennsylvania county that joe biden lost by more than 55 points, lieutenant governor john fetterman is trying to buck the tide. warning voters that the senate majority could come down to them. >> who thinks it's going to be a cake walk for democrats in this cycle? not one hand. not one hand. i agree with you. it's going to be a tough cycle for democrats. we cannot afford to write off any part of pennsylvania. >> fetterman now the front runner in a three-way race ahead of the may 17th democratic primary for the senate seat being vacated by republican pat toomey. a race also defined by its intense debate over what it means to be a democrat.

on one side, fetterman calling for the legalization of pot, backing an assault weapons ban and medicare for all, and pushing an increase in the minimum wage. and also harshly critical of moderates like joe manchin for stopping a bulk of joe biden's agenda. >> ow party has room for diversity of thought, but if you are looking for a joe manchin democrat, i am not your candidate. >> don't voters want some level of bipartisanship, some pragmatism to their politics and fraught for one party to go too far? >> i agree. i also want a full head of hair, but realistically, that's not going to happen right now. >> he says he's within the democratic main stream. >> i don't mean to nit-pick, but i wouldn't categorize myself as progressive. i consider myself a democratic running on the same platform of ideas any other democrat in this race is running on. if a moderate democrat is someone who would break with the rest of the caucus and screw up build back better or the

democratic agenda, then i'm not a moderate. >> conor lamb, a centrist, has been known to buck his party, including by apoeing nancy pelosi as speaker, but even as lamb has aligned with fetterman on progressive views such as gutting the filibuster, he has struggled to keep pace in fund-raising and the polls. and he's now sharpening his attacks against the fr front-runner. >> a lot of people in our party like him, but it's an awful big risk with an election as high stakes as this. >> there's also this reality. biden's approval rating is under water. but none of the democrats here are running away from him yet. >> we're going to embrace joe biden. >> i campaigned with him a lot. there's no -- there's no downside to that in my mind. >> one dilemma confronting democrats, voter anger over gas prices, inflation, and frustration over washington gridlock. >> i think people are looking around, for real, and just saying, what the hell are we doing? what the hell are we doing?

>> and as for the moderates blocking the democratic agenda -- >> i would call it full of crap. >> manu raju, cnn, philadelphia. >> thank you so much for that, and thank you all so much for being with us tonight. i'm kate bolduan. "ac 360" starts now. >> good evening. vladimir putin in a discussion with his defense minister about the besieged port of mariupol today talked of, and this is his word, liberating the port city. he spoke of success against mariupol's defenders some of whom are still holding out in a massive steel plant and talked about adhering to relevant international legal acts and how the injured will receive what he described as medical assistance. take a look at this. new satellite photos from mariupol. they come to us from maxar technologies and they're pictures of what ukrainian officials say are mass graves. one ukrainian official called it, quote, direcid