me @pamelabrowncnn and follow me on intergram. you can send me a message. i do check my messages from viewers. the cnn film "navalny" starts right now. >> rolling. >> we're rolling, daniel. >> okay. we're going, guys? >> yeah. >> okay. so i want to talk about something we sort of touched on this morning, and you might hate this, but i real want you to think about it. if you are killed, if this does happen, what message do you

leave behind to the russian people? >> oh, come on, daniel, no, no way. lake you're making move for the case of my death, like, again, i am ready to answer your question, burks let it be another movie, movie number two, like let's make a trailer out of this movie and in the case i would be killed, let's make a boring movie o f memory. ♪ [ speaking foreign language ]

♪ >> alexei navalny is stepping back into another showdown with the kremlin. >> what to do with northamp knee presents a conundrum for the kremlin. let him go and risk looking weak, or lock him up knowing could turn him no a political martyr .

♪ [ applause ] >> are you not scared, alexei? >> what do you expect in moscow?

ch. >> unexpectedly vladimir putin has a genuine challenger, handsome 41-year-old lawyer alexei navalny who has chosen one of the most dangerous occupations in the world, running against the man who controls the kremlin. >> more than any other opposition figure in russia, alexei navalny gets ordinary people out to protest.

>> if i want to fight putin, if i want to be leader of a country, i have to do something practical about it. well, i have to kind of organize people. [ speaking foreign language ] >> i was banned from everything, television banned. newspapers blacklisted, rallies, forbidden.

i realized i can do a lot on my own with the support of my wife yulia, just small group of people i can rely on. zero money, a lot of work, internet and that's it. >> his youngest fans have turned to tiktok which has been crucial in spreading the word. >> navalny's posted hundreds of videos about his corruption investigations and they are wildly popular. >> the kremlin hates navalny so much that they literally refuse to say his name.

[ speaking foreign language ] >> our offices were raided, and they just confiscated everything, everything. they splashed a toxic liquid into my face, and my first thought was jesus, i will be kind of monster until the end of my days.

as i became a more and more famous guy i was totally sure that my life became safer and safer because i'm kind of famous guy, and it will be problematic for them just to kill me. >> and, boy, were you wrong. >> yes. i was very wrong .

>> so we went to siberia to make a nice movie about local corruption. i expected a lot of police. i expected a lot of people who tried to prevent our filming, confiscate our camera os just break our cameras or try to beat us. i expected that sort of thing, and i was very surprised like, hmm. why is nobody here? why is there a -- i even have the strange feeling like -- like a lack of respect. seriously i'm here. where's my police? the whole trip was the smoothest trip i ever had. i'm the kind a slave of

thursdays because on thursday i have my online youtube show and then we canened i can spend with my family before another trip to another region. i was going home, and then i died. >> passengers on his flight from siberia heard alexei navalny cry out in agony. >> other passengers filming just after the plane makes an emergency landing in siberia. navalny then rushed to the hospital where he was put on a ventilator. his spokeswoman saying navalny was poisoned. >> his wife raced to be by his side. >> that'>> imagine that.

[ speaking foreign language ] >> we've come to the conclusion that jimming by the fact there

were no poisons found in his blood or other biological materials he has a metabolic disorder, lowering of blood sugar levels to be specific. >> we're hearing state news agencies here that are backed by the kremlin suggesting that hallucinogenic drugs may be involved but not poisoning. [ speaking foreign language [

. >> this morning an air ambulance from a german charity landed. >> we have to make sure his condition is completely stable. we cannot transfer him in this state even if his family have consented to t. it.

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the moment when i heard the news that navalny was poisoned, my first thought was can this be the kremlin? would they be so dumb to try to kill an opposition figure, the main opposition figure? i was thinking maybe it's one of the many oligarchs on whose feet

he has stepped. either it's a state-ordered attack, or it's somebody who is trying to assassinate opposition figures in order to apiece putin. >> the closest anyone has come to tracing a poisoning to vladimir putin, the 2018 attack in salisbury, exland. a defiant kremlin insisting again that they had nothing to do with a brazen assassination attempt of former russian spy se sergei scripol. >> he was poisoned by the nerve agent novichok. >> it actually starts switching off your nerve connectors in your body one by one. if it goes properly it will turn you off as a body and then within hours any trace will disappear so it will always look like it was a natural death. >> this is why it appears to be the preferred form of killing for people whose death will be under public scrutiny such as navalny.

there was a lot of pressure for us to start investigating. media partners in russia reached out to us and said can you help? there's no hope in he will l we can investigation that happened in russia in the remote corners of siberia sitting here comfortably in europe. we didn't even try in the beginning. >> alexei navalny arrived that the hospital in berlin with his wife yulia. a spokesperson tweeted the struggles for aleksi's xei's li

health is just beginning. here at the hospital both inside and out, he'll be watched. [ speaking foreign language. >> toll have your dad, an opposition leader being poisoned by we don't know what, we don't know how, we don't know when and

just be in a random hospital. it was just -- it was surseal. it was literally like a book. >> hello. >> the doctors can't say anything about his brain. he will recover even if they manage to wake him up. many millions of navalny supporters are trying to figure out how to help. we in berlin are a small teal. we have to dive into actually like getting things done. >> we all were very skeptical about investigating alexei's poisoning. as opposed to previous cases this, poisoning took place on russian soil so no one is going to share ctv footage with us. we won't have videos from the

airport where the poisoned his flight in and out, and as much it is a hard to admit while putin is in power we'll never find out the truth. >> julia, how is your husband this morning? [ speaking foreign language ] >> it was so crazy, like it's putin's signature poison. >> we were actually so shocked that he didn't just decide to murder him but to poison and not just to poison but exactly the novichok is really like loafing his signature on a crime scene. ch when you come to room of a comatose patient, you're

starting to just telling him some news, telling him his story. alexei, don't worry. your poisoning was a murder attempt. putin tried to kill you through novichok, and he opened his like blue eyes wide amend looked at me and said very clear -- come on, poisoned. i don't believe it. like he is back. this is alexei. putin is supposed to be not so stupid to use this novichok. his wording, his expletive. his international. if you want to kill someone, just shoot him, jesus christ, like real alexei. it's impossible to believe it. it's kind of stupid. the whole idea of poisoning with a chemical weapon. what the [ bleep ]? this is why it's so smart because even reasonable people refuse to believe.

come on, poisoned. seriously. [ speaking foreign language ] >> traditional journalism implies you meeting with a source and that source telling you a story. in today's world of fake news,

we don't trust sources because we don't trust humans. we trust data. berlin cat is an organization of traditional nerds. most of us have fascination with numbers. every time you use your email, make a doctor's appointment, take a train or plane, every time you take the atm or look at the screen of your phone that leaves a trace. in a place like russia imagine the person who works at the travel agency that has access to the five manifests, getting $25 a day as a salary and then for another 25 they would be able to sell that flight manifest to anybody who asks for it. just because they will double their income for the day. this is a whole industry. data brokers are on the dark went. you negotiate a price and within a few minutes they say, yeah, i can get that data for you by tomorrow, and then you have to sent bitcoin.

now bellingat can pay for that data so i have to pay for that data myself. overly the last five years of working on data journalism i've spent $1150,000. my wife has no idea of this. my wife thinks i spent 2,000 or 3,000 and if she knew she wouldn't be my wife. >> and she's not watching. >> i'm absolutely sure she's not watching this movie now. [ speaking foreign language ]

>> our expectation was once he's released from intensive care he will have a desire to go to russia immediately. to our great relief he told me i better spend several months here. i want to go back to russia strong and fully recovered . >> for the longest time i wasn't sure what to make of navalny. i had always wondered how much of an independent figure he is, or is he one of the many fake opposition figure created by the

kremlin? i criticized him on twitter, but he was known for having flirted with the extreme right in the early days of his career. he walked side by side with some pretty nasty nationalists and racists. had he moved beyond that? had he actually become a reverse dark knight? >> alexe i navalny!

>> within all my career i've about asked the same 15 questions all the time. are you afraid? are you working for kremlin? what is your family doing? you have a responsibility for your family when if it's foreign journalists they are asking about nationalism and russian march, and every one of them, jesus christ, just watch previous interviews. >> hold on. were there not at call of nazi guys at that march? zighaler would no be a different category you would not want to associate with. >> in the normal world, in the normal political system of course i would never be in the same political party with them, but we are creating coalition, broader coalition to fight the regime just to achieve the situation where everyone can participate in election. >> there's a lot of politicians that would be uncomfortable even

associating or being in the same photograph as one of these guys. you're not uncomfortable about that? >> i'm okay with that and i consider it as my political superpower. i can talk to everyone. anyway, they -- the citizen of russian federation and if i want to fight putin, if i want to be leader of a country i can -- i cannot just ignore the huge part of it. well, there are a lot of people who call themselves nationalists. okay. let's discuss it. we're living in a country where they are poisoning politician and killing people and arresting people for nothing, so, of course, i'm totally fine to sit with the guy who is -- whose rally looks kind of not very good for me. clearchoice. [ awada ] the health of our teeth plays a significant role

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[ speaking foreign language ] the russian media didn't find anything, and german investigators didn't have the jurisdiction, so we realized there's nobody was going to actually actively investigate

this. unless we jump into this. we gnaw that the poison was novichok, and novichok we had proven in the previous investigation is only manufactured in this facility called the signal institute. the signal institute in moscow works under the guise of a r & d center that works in advance form of sports nutrition drinks. that's the legend, and yet they employ for this work 12 scientists whose only experience and background is in chemical weapons. our hypothesis, this is the entity that actually provides the poison for the killers which travel around the world poisoning people with novichok. so what we did is we bought from the russian black market. the phone records for the head of the signal institute. we looked at numbers that only appear just before the poisoning

of navalny, and those were suspicious, but once we have a suspicious number, you go through a number of russian apps that allow you to see how that phone number is listed in other people's phone books, so, for example, i put in my number, and it would show up as kristol the journalist from bellingcat because somebody would have put my name into their phone book and that description would be shared. first number i showed up alexei, doctor from fsb. that was interesting, doctor from fsb,alexey. couldn't place a real person behind this name and looked to see if that number shows up in a car registration. that a le xey owns a car and then you have a real person with his birthday, look up his passport file and see his face and you repeat that many times

with the other suspicious numbers and then you have a short list of interesting people and these became our prime suspects. now we knew when navalny had traveled to siberia. we had the actual passenger manifest of six different flights that had flown where navalny through from moscow on the day before, during and after the day on which he arrived there. so we wanted to see if any of those suspicious people traveled to siberia at the time of the poisoning and we found an overlaps. we found a nest of wasps we didn't know existed. it's domestic astation machine on an industrial scale. i was absolutely shocked that this was so fast and the whole plot disentangled so quickly so i reached out via twitter and said alexei, i think we supply found who poisoned you.

>> after i went out of the hospital, i decided to move into the plaque forest and live in some small village. you can just walk for hours an not meet any person at all. these are my friends, little ponies and friend and donkey is julia's friend and this is routine of our walk. >> come here, my little pony. >> isn't he sweet? >> better than your donkey. >> everybody likes a small pony. it's like usual. >> come to me. you're scaring him. go away. >> go away. poor guy. >> donkey. of course, you like me. oh, come on. this is a very -- woman.

road carrots. you will grow big. >> they are very cute but they are not very smart so they decided for their fence not to provide electricity. >> don't do it. [ speaking foreign language ] >> yulia wanted an apple and asked me to take it but it's germany so it's someone's apple, and there is a police over there. >> i'll cam there when it will be dark. >> and there's no police. >> so you're a russian criminal who arrived to germany. >> no, it's like a game.

it belongs to the village. >> how do you know? >> this is a very russian style, you know, thinking about property like it belongs to everyone because an open place. just come and get it. >> the story of this guy who lives in vienna and is bulgaria and lives in russia and he has his own money and spent his own money on russian crime. he sounded too suspicious to be true, to be capable. he sounded a bit, you know, made up. >> are you confident that he is not mi-6 or cia? >> i'm pretty confident. i'm pretty confident that he's not.

>> i was suspicious about this guy from twitter. i just saw his old laptop, and all these tables with the data. it turns out, and i was very surprised, that the whole thing about bellingcat is just one smart guy. no cia involved, no mi-6. he's just a nice and very kind bulgarian nerd with a laptop. [ speaking foreign language ]

>> i will show you photographs. you tell me if you recognize any of those people in those photographs. >> hmm . >> getting through emotionally to alexei, it was a piece of cake, took literally like an hour. getting through to maria took much longer. she was very tough. she never smiled. she was the one vetting me whether i'm a spy or not. [ speaking foreign language ] >> but we needed information that only he would be privy to so we had an arrange nant was

acceptable to us. we agreed that maria would be working as part of our team and she would the nobody sharing with alexei all the information in realtime so that we wouldn't be influenced by the boyce of the victim. [ speaking foreign language ] ♪ >> when we discovered that clandestine operation, it was so shocking that even to us it looked unbelievable. i mean, come on. the government is paying a whole

team of 20-plus people whose only job is to poison other russians that. sounds improbable, so we needed other journalists to look at it. >> i would like to share the limelight with some local media. >> yeah. >> so it is validated by more than just us. cnn, der spiegel. >> that means we need to build exactly a week from now. [ speaking foreign language ] >> we had a negotiate mayor trying to get everybody to stick to the same time. it's all time for simultaneous release. all the media channels are going to drop the bombshell simultaneously. >> there's a huge debate as whether this was intended to incapacitate or kill. >> incapacitate or kill. >> yeah. i would say kill, 100% kill. >> if, for example, navalny had laundry returned to him while he

was staying at the tomsk hotel the day before he left works that be a point of access? >> it's definitely a possibility. the question is how well he can do the dose. you put step times the deadly dose on the clothing. you have to be sure at least some of the dose gets into the body. >> tomorrow we'll set up a phone with fake i.d. so if we can call them through this number. >> yes. >> we can try to confront them. >> yes, of course. >> >> navalny will call personally, and we will record this. hi, this is navalny, you may recall me from trying to kill me. >> we plan.

>> great to see you. this very much for coming. >> is it your contention that vladimir putin must have been aware of this? >> of course, 100%. it could have not happened without. >> who's the most stupid? >> most stupid of them? >> yeah. >> well, definitely these are spetsnaz guys with no training. >> i think it makes sense trying to break stupid guys, and maybe these nonmilitary guy.

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when you were a kids did you have any political awareness, did the family talk about politics? >> yes. my family talks about politics all the time, and it was very -- they start to talk much more after chernobyl disaster. because actually my father and his family, they are from chernobyl, from the small village two kilometers away i would say, ten kilometers away from the nuclear station. everyone knows that it was an explosion of the nuclear station, but news keeping silence. and so all these nuclear and radioactive dust was on these fields, and they were forced to

go -- to plant potatoes just to prevent rumors, just to explain population that everything is fine. everything is okay. go out and work the fields. and with the first appearance of putin on the screen, i just felt it. i have the same feeling like i am watching tv, and i am watching political lead. >> and he is looking in my eyes and lying to me. >> this is the biggest challenge for me. trying to practice juggling about a month. and because of coordination and balancing because you need some balance here. i am very bad in it. one, two, three. >> i think he wants to make sure this hits home in russian media. and i think it's best done if he

does it. so we're not being journalists reporting about some politician, but we're reporting about a politician who has his own youtube show with over 30 million followers and who considers himself. >> this first time, you are lucky. >> that's a very unusual situation. it doesn't make things easier. one. >> oh, we can do that? >> yes, of course. this is, you know -- >> i don't know how to do that.

>> who is 19? >> you apparently. ♪ ♪ how bizarre ♪ ♪ how bizarre, how bizarre ♪ >> you know that krista call it moscow for. what is moscow more. >> what is that? >> well, the email of the guy from intelligence was hacked several time, and his first password was moscow 1, and they hacked him. so second his password was moscow 2. and they hacked him as well. and so the third time he had password moscow 3. and just guess what was his fourth password. so moscow 4 is the explanation

of the stupidity of the system. >> you take my phone and we'll be the kitchen pretending you're general bogdanov. >> okay. super. super. tomorrow we will make these calls. honestly, i don't think it will work because, well, big guys are supposed to be resistant to pranks. but moscow 4. yes.

and then we're ready to push the button and everything will be published exactly at 12, and also i will publish my tiktok. i recorded it today. and we'll have a kind of 15 minutes of shame with it. okay. see you tomorrow. ♪ >> hello.

now i totally feel like i'm undercover agent with the wired up. sorry? >> are you nervous? >> no. >> please, come on. a little bit? [ phone ringing ] >> hello? >> vlad dir? >> he hung up. oh my god. you ruined their day. >> not just a day, i guess. [ phone ringing ]

>> hung up. okay. [ phone ringing ]

>> that was a freaking scared guy. >> you recognize the voice? >> yeah, yeah. >> moscow is not stupid. i really think a scientist might talk to you. 1% chance. >> okay, let's try to reach some scientists. >> interesting. [ phone ringing ]

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>> now we got everything. >> how could you do this? this is what you work in moscow for. >> he is a chemist. >> he is a chemist? >> yes. >> he spilled the whole story. this is unbelievable. >> poor guy. they will kill him. >> they will kill him, literally. i think he will be president after this. >> we will definitely kill. >> poor. >> he is dead man. >> let's offer him to defect. let's arrange for him the whole thing. >> seriously. >> because i think that's a humanitarian thing to do. >> but he will be in a ditch by tomorrow. they will kill him. >> they will kill him. they will kill him."der spiegel

me to call them. >> let's decide. are we going to publish this conversation? i think we should wait. >> press conference at the very least. >> sorry? >> to put in press conference at the very least. >> yes. it is on thursday? yes, 17th. ♪ [ speaking foreign language ]

>> before pushing this button, i want to say that was an amazing job. thank you, everyone, for your contribution, guys. yeah. >> yeah. >> high-five. >> okay. >> do it. good, good, good. let's go. >> now an exclusive investigation can reveal a top secret mission. >> an elite team of operative has been tracking navalny's every move for more than three years. [ speaking foreign language ]

>> thank you very much. it's an honor for me to be on such a big television of spain, and i'm very pleased that you are paying attention to this situation. so thank you very much. this looks like it's from the movies, but in this spectacular case it's a real scheme with real people, putin on the very top. >> in mid-august, navalny and his team traveled to siberia. at least five members of the fsb unit make the same journey on different flights. >> well, they can't be telling him now, but of course i'm sure they're trying to. thank you. thank you very much. ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. ♪ that's why we build technology that makes it possible for every business... and every person...

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said you want to go back to russia. you're aware of the risks of going back. >> definitely. >> why do you want to go back? >> i don't want these group of killer exist in russia. i don't want putin being president. i don't want him being czar of russia. i want to go back and try to change it. >> that's fantastic piece. >> yeah. [ speaking foreign language ]

>> he opens his mouth with american songs on tiktok. by the way, more tiktok. [ speaking foreign language ] >> the airlines. >> yes. >> crazy funny stuff like who's he? >> think about it. they're talking about this all the time. they're talking about you. >> and ha ha ha, this is very funny. >> but the main point is they have a big problem, otherwise they would not launch it. >> right, right, right. >> they allowed the state, number one channel that has never mentioned his name to only talk about him now. >> yes. you're absolutely right. this is a made point. it's not affordable for them to keep silence .

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>> so it's nice so much snow before you go to l.a., right? >> there is snow in california. there was a point a year ago where my dad was almost not there for my high school graduation. he was in jail once again. and like the whole day i was just thinking about how my dad would have been -- i'm sorry. my dad would have been proud to see me walk on the stage and get my certificate. and he wouldn't get the option because he was in jail for doing the right thing. i know that my dad misses russia. even though it's scary to go back.

and if he didn't go back, i would say you need to go back and fight. it's something worth fighting for. ♪ [ speaking foreign language ]

[ speaking foreign language ] >> favorite ultimate answer for everything is cia.

>> of course. because this is just amazing pass to us. now we have a goal because he said if we want to poison him, of course we would have poisoned him. i mean, the whole reputation we will smash it.

>> i'm just very curious how people will react to it, whether they be as astonished as we are because nothing like that has ever happened to anyone. okay, inside. >> inside? >> it's terrible. i would never believe it if i wasn't part of it. 300.

300,000 views for 20 minutes . >> one hour later, one million views. >> the poisoning of russian dissident alexey navalny has taken an even more bizarre turn. >> if this was a hollywood movie, you would say it is over the top. but this is not. this is real. and boy does this conversation punch a giant hole in the kremlin's narrative. >> surely this is hugely embarrassing for the kremlin and for the fsb. >> oh, absolutely. it's embarrassing for the fsb, it's embarrassing for the kremlin. >> the fsb has said the video of the conversation posted on navalny's youtube channel was fake, and that the phone call was a provocation aimed at

discrediting the agency. >> navalny is suffering from delusion of persecution. otherwise there is a freudian fixation on his own crotch area. this is probably how all this should be treated.

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how was president navalny different from president putin? >> well, my -- my major task as a president just to prevent, you know, this damn circle of reestablish of totalitarian regime. in totaltarian country, you're a

pro totalitarian leader or against toe talltarian leader. so we're in more primitive. human rights, freedom of speech, fair election. the power and money, tax money, they supposed to belong to the local communities. and in russia, everything decided in moscow. so being a president, i just have this big pie of my power, and i will cut it for the future of russia. [ speaking foreign language ]

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>> i apologize. i'm sorry for the record, but just five minutes ago told daniel to get the [ bleep ] out of here with his camera. i apologize for that because well, it's -- everything is like -- everything is happening in the last ten minutes, and i have to make like a millions of emails. and you make me nervous because you're standing there. i'm sorry.

>> i'm sorry. it's a russian superstition, but it's important .

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>> the anti-riot police started arresting everybody, including journalists, live on the air. this is crazy. jesus, jesus. i've never seen anything like this. there is no way they're not going to arrest him. >> i do not think they will let him come to the front. >> i think they're going the yank him away before anybody is let off the plane.

>> this is a plane. and this is moscow. and this is a plane, and this is moscow .

>> they realize it's not possible to control the crowd. and they chickened out .

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killed, what message do you leave behind to the russian people? >> my message for the situation that i am killed is very simple, not give up. >> do me a favor. answer this one in russian. [ speaking foreign language ]

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true story of the man who took on putin and lived to tell the tale. >> putin tried to kill him. >> come on, poisoned? >> we are creating a coalition to fight this regime. >> i don't want corruption in russian. i ant to try to change it. >> "navalny," next on cnn. rolling. >> we're rolling. >> okay, we're going, guys? >> yeah. >> alexei, i want to talk about something we sort of touched on this morning. and you might hate this, but i really want you to think about it. if you are killed, if this does happen, what message