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came. now he brought her news that inspires pain and hope. vlad was free from a military detention center in russia. he says her grandson was there too. for weeks sasha's family didn't know if he was still alive, seized and held bly russian soldiers, they heard nothing about his safety after the invaders treated. they know the same pain and uncertainty. vladimir told them he knows their son was recently alive in the same detention center in russia. he says he heard his name shouted every day during roll call. there is comfort in that, but not enough to soothe a mother's anguish. i don't have hope anymore, helena says. i know they are beasts. they will kill them and no one will find them. ukrainian officials say dozens of people who were abducted from around the town of dima near

kyiv during russia's occupation and most were initially held here in a sprawling industrial site. the russian forces used it as a kmand command post. >> this is where they were kept? >> yeah. >> reporter: ukrainian prosecutor alexander zeus shows necessity conditions those captured people were forced to endure. a small, dark, cold room. people were packed together here, he says, hands bound, eyes taped. >> this place was where they took people. they were trying to get the toilet -- they need to walk on legs of somebody else. because too much people. >> reporter: he says people came and went. some spent weeks here. someone tried to keep track of days by scratching marks on the wall. he says all the people who came through this room had only one thing in common -- they were civilians. several people who were kept here tell us they were

frequently beaten and interrogated for local information. one man says his hands and fingers were cut to the bone by russian soldiers because he couldn't help them. >> does it make any sense to you that they did this? >> no, no sense. i don't know exactly what kind of information they could take from these people. >> reporter: this drone video captures the moment when ukrainian forces attack the industrial site, driving out the russians. a number of those who were still o locked in the room at that time tell us that's when all remaining capives were able to escape. but others, including vladimir harpoon had already been taken elsewhere. a long road trip by belarus in the back of a military truck ended in russia where he was given this military identification document. it says he resisted the special operation conducted by the president of the russian federation. in reality, he was detained while volunteering with the red cross helping people escape the fighting.

the ukrainian government has confirmed vladimir was returned to ukraine as part of a prisoner exchange with russia. he believes that explains why russian forces are abducting ukrainian civilians. he says they took us as goods that could be exchanged later, like a mobile phone, or another commodity. here vladimir inspects a list of more than 40 names provided by the local government a register of people from the area who are still missing. he says he recognizes most of the names from his time in the russian detention center because he deliberately tried to remember as much as possible. he says sooner or later one of us had to be the first to be released, and that's why we tried to remember the names of other people to let their relatives now they're alive. vladimir says there were about 200 ukrainians in detention while he was there. he hopes all get home quickly so the suffering they and their families are enduring can end,

and their healing can begin. phil black, cnn, in the kyiv region. >> kidnapping people at bargaining chips. shelling evacuees and the horrors of this war, this is not warfare the way americans or european allies or for that matter the ukrainian armed forces try to practice it. recent events show this was certainly the way russia has and does . that commitment to barbarism is one of the reasons cited by the nato allies for supporting ukraine. another, general milley put it a few militants ago, the larger threat russian aggression poses to the world war iii global order. it gives us a lot to talk about with our military analysts tonight, retired four star general wes lis clark and retired army lieutenant generally mark hertling. general clark, you heard phil black's regulator. talk about what the rules are

for armies. i mean, obviously terrible things happen in war on all sides of conflict. people do terrible things. militaries that have a respect for law and order, for the rules of engagement do punish their own troops for misbehaving or breaking the law. what do you make of what you have seen of russia's actions on the ground in occupied territories and how does that compare to what an army that obeys the rules of war would engage in? >> western armies, they apply military force. they attack, they defend, they protect. but the soviet army always had a strong political component. it started with the commissars to enforce the obedience by the soldiers to the communist party, but it's carried over into the

russian military. so they came into this operation determined to root out any potential opposition from the occupation. so when they go in, they're not just taking the territory. they're going in after the civilian populace to find out who might be a potential resister. who might be related to someone in the ukrainian military. who might be giving information. they want to just carve out anybody who might potentially resist their occupation. so it's a political military army. this is, of course, a war crime. this is what leads to unlawful killings and other things. so this is not just soldier misbehavior. that's what i want to be clear about. this is not just russian soldiers saying, hey, there's nothing to do, but let's pick on some ukrainians and cut them up. no, no. this was a deliberate effort to

interrogate, to torture to get information to find people to eliminate so that the russian occupation couldn't be resisted. >> general hertling, i was in bucha today. on this one street in which at least half a dozen people, more than half a dozen people were shot and their bodies left to be found later once russian forces left and the eyewitnesses i talked to talk about a russian apc at the end of the block that sat there from the beginning of march until the end of the russians' time there on march 30th or 31st. and that people in that apc would shoot people as they crossed the treat or rode their bicycles and anybody who tried to take the bodies would get shot as well. in any other regular army, that would not be tolerated obviously, right? >> yeah. you know, anderson, we've been talking about this for weeks now. the inhumanity and the examples of inhumanity continues to be

staggering and jaw-dropping. for professional soldiers, for those who are part of the profession of arms, the requirement of leadership is to control violence. when a nation sends its army to war, it is seeking to achieve a political end state. but there's morality and ethics involved in that. that's why there's an ethos in the profession of arms, why soldiers live by a set of values. and it's inherent on leaders of those organizations to ensure that violence is controlled. in fact, we talk a lot about that as leaders in the military. our job is to control violence, to not allow people to get out of control. i agree with my friend general clark completely. this is not an army that number one has leadership. it has no professional ethos, it has no set of organizational values, and they are tied to a corrupt and inhumane political

body. so that is why they're doing what they're doing. there are no military objectives to be achieved in this. in fact, i would contend that it's stoking the desire of the ukrainian military and the population to resist this kind of thing. when you read history, when you read some of the most barbarian armies in the world, these are the kinds of things they do, and they always lose in the end. because people understand the value of human life, the value of protecting society and advancing a social system, and the russians seem to be doing exactly the opposite of that. >> general clark, do you believe that the russians have had the ability to reconstitute their forces, to reequip, to bring new forces to the fight in the east? i'm wondering what you make of the russian offensive so far.

>> i think they've had difficulty reconstituting. i think soldiers that have been traumatized by the defeats they had north of kyiv, it's hard to remotivate those soldiers. the russian leadership style is we're going to give you good equipment and you go out there and use it and you know how to kill people with it. but they don't have the training. they have very well educated generals. they are being directed by putin, so it didn't look good militarily. but at the bottom they have always relied on artillery fire and fear inspired on their own soldiers by the threat of if you turn around and look back, you're going to get shot. so i think they're going to have a very hard time doing this. but i will say this. the ukrainians did suffer losses. we don't know what those losses are.

their victory has been cost free north of kyiv and we're seeing some pretty desperate fighting in the early stages of the donbas offensive. there's been a lot of premature exaltation by correspondents and people in the west who don't understand how vicious this battle's going to be with heavy artillery barrages. if the russians are able to unscramble their battalion tactical groups and line up 30 tanks, 90 tanks, 100 tubes of artillery, and pound away day after day, they will achieve success. they've probably got a 3 to 1 superiority right now in the number of artillery troops, not necessarily tanks. but russia's always won with artillery, so we're not seeing a lot about this battle in the western media. reporters aren't there. the ukrainians a are not talking to us much about it publicly. but we know it is a desperate

struggle for survival, and it's in the early stages. >> yeah. important to keep in mind. thank you so much. i appreciate it it. more on the administration's push to get aid into ukraine and american diplomats back on the ground here. we'll get the latest from the white house and talk to state department spokesperson ned price. imate antiperspirant. our unique water based formula and 6x more glycererin. helps restore skin to o its best condition. new dove ultimate.

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another batch of american military aid will be heading to ukraine. today pentagon officials said a control center has been set up in stuttgart, germany, to coordinate aid shipments. the command post includes from 15 other supporting nations a sign of the massive international commitment to ukraine as well as the need to get war supplies into ukraine as quickly as possible. for more on the administration's role in all this, we're joined from the white house from cnn's mj lee. we heard the defense secretary stress the importance of moving

quickly to provide ukraine with the military aid it needs saying we have to move at the speed of war. what does the white house say? >> there's so much money and aid that is pouring into ukraine from the u.s. of course the latest announcement coming from secretaries blinken and austin announcing $713 million that would go towards ukraine and other allied countries. just to step back for a minute, in the big picture that means the u.s. has committed until now $3.7 billion to help ukraine. along with this we have seen in recent weeks the u.s. being increasingly willing to send heavier duty equipment and weaponry. so we're talking about things like howitzers and high-precision drones. this has come as ukrainian officials have been very vocal in saying we quite literally cannot receive this kind of help fast enough, and that is why we are seeing in part the u.s. and

its allies stepping up and being willing, again, to send this kind of heavy duty equipment. generally milley told jim ch shute the the world is at stake if russia gets away with its actions in ukraine. has there been a shift in tone from the administration? >> we are seeing a bit of a shifting in tone. this of course comes on the heels of defense secretary lloyd austin saying earlier this week that the u.s. would like to see russia weakened militarily, essentially that the u.s. wants to see russia weakened so much that it can't repeat what we're seeing in ukraine now in other areas of the region. now, this is quite the contrast from the past when we've seen u.s. officials showing a real reluctance to engage in sort of the who is winning and who is losing conversation. i remember i sat in on a white house briefing not that long ago

where white house communications director kate benningfield was asked is ukraine winning? could ukraine win? and she was very, very careful, again, to not engage in sort of that narrative and sort of engaging in the question of who is winning this war. now, the war as it has been more protracted and as we have seen just the atrocities, the images of the horrific casualties that we're seeing from ukraine, there is a realization and a growing recognition that it is so important to try to stop vladimir putin, but also to make sure that the country is weakened, including militarily so that this kind of thing cannot be repeated in the future, anderson. >> mj lee, appreciate it. thank you. the secretary of state's trip to ukraine and the return of american diplomats to the country shortly before air time i spoke with state department spokesperson ned price.

. >> ned, thanks for joining us. when the world hears general milley saying nothing less than the international order is at stake in this war, which comes on the heels of the defense secretary saying they can't launch a war like this anytime soon. has there ban shift as far as the state department is concerned about the stakes of this conflict, what the u.s. would view as a satisfactory outcome? >> we've been clear about the stakes this entire time. it's precisely why even long before this invasion began we started to prepare. we started to provide our ukrainian partners with security assistance. it's why we started to galvanize and organize the world to opposite it. and i say that because this conflict is about russia's decision to attack ukraine. but in some ways, the issues are even larger than that. it is about the principle that a larger country can't attack a small country, that a country can't dictate the foreign policy, the aspirations of any other country around the world.

and so when you hear the chairman make that statement this morning, he's absolutely right. he's absolutely right because if we don't stand up to what the russians are trying to do in ukraine, we will undermine that international system, that international order, not only vis-a-vis russia and ukraine, but the world over. >> you heard that russia's foreign minister lavrov using the conflict as a proxy war against russia, also warning today that a nuclear world war iii is a serious risk. what does that biden administration say to that? is that just saber rattling in response to the meeting today? >> i think what we're seeing here, anderson, is the russians engage in this bravado and this propaganda and this bluster. certainly as a means by which to distract, to distract from the fact that they're losing the war, to distract from the fact that they've lost the battle of kyiv, to distract from the fact that their economy and financial system is in ruins, and to

distract from the fact that president putin is now a pariah and russia is more isolated than it ever has been. we think the type of propaganda, the type of bluster that we're hearing from the kremlin is deeply irresponsible. we're of course watching very closely not only listening closely toxic what the russians say, but we're watching very closely to see what they do. it's that that we care most about. >> do you have any sense of what is going on in moldova? there was said to be an explosion there in the russian-held part of that country. is that part of a -- is that a false flag operation? are you concerned about what that might mean? >> we're aware there were a series of explosions yesterday. we don't yet have all the facts. we're working closely with our moll doe van partners and other to discern exactly what happened. but of course this is a region that has the potential to

escalate tensions even further. we have encouraged all sides not to do anything to inflame the situation, and we've also sent a very strong message to our m moldovaen partners. we signaled that, in fact, with our own feet. i was with secretary blinken a few weeks ago. we met with the moll doe van president to reinforce the fact that the united states stands by them. we made significant financial commitments to moldova. we had a senior delegation at the state department just last week. so we're doing everything we can to send a very clear signal not only to moldova, but to anyplace in the region who would seek to threaten, to intimidate, to upset this balance. >> you announced earlier some u.s. diplomats returned to ukraine today specifically to lviv. when would the embassy here in kyiv reopen? >> the short answer is as soon as we possibly can.

secretary blinken told president zelenskyy when they met on sunday that our diplomats would very soon be back in ukraine. that did, in fact, take place today. we had our deputy chief of mission from our embassy in kyiv and a small team go across the border to conduct business in lviv, ukraine. they were able to meet with counterparts from the ministry of foreign affairs. this will continue. it's our goal at the earliest possible opportunity to have that team back in our embassy in kyiv. we look forward to reopening our embassy, to using it as a platform to engage conservatively with our ukrainian partners and the ukrainian people. >> ned price, appreciate your time. thanks. >> thanks, anderson. just ahead, as russia makes yet another promise about letting sinz leave peacefully from mariupol, we'll take a look at the battle for a massive steel plant there. fighters and civilians holding out and drawing vladimir putin a much-desired victory. details ahead.

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united nations says after a visit by the secretary-general, vladimir putin has agreed in principle to allow the u.n. and red cross to help evacuate civilians from a massive steel plant in mariupol. again, we emphasize this is an agreement in principle. putin today also said it was ukraine not letting civilians go, even though it is his forces

shelling the city and surrounding the plant which has soldiers and civilians. cnn's alex marquardt has the latest on their struggle. >> reporter: it's all that stands in vladimir putin's way from fully conquering mariupol, a key prize for the russians. a sprawling steel plant operating on this site for nearly a century covering foursquare miles, ten square kilometers right on the sea of azov. it's a towering complex that normally employs 10,000 people with a maze of tunnels, pipes, and shelters built to withstand a nuclear blast all below ground, and so vast that a pro-russian commentator called it a city below a city. it is now a fortress for ukrainian fighters and the civilians they're defending. >> as far as we know about 1,000 civilians still are at the shelters at the plant. >> reporter: since the russians launched their assaults on the city in early march, the noose has tightened. this informational video from before the war shows how

difficult a close-quarters fight would be in this plant with facilities, plants, and operations rooms. putin ordered his military to abandon plants to take the facility. instead telling his defense minister to seal it off so title that a fly cannot pass through. >> this is a statement of convenience by president putin. his forces were unable to really go in and take the steel plant, to take all of mariupol without suffering even worse casualties and even more damage to the force. >> reporter: ukrainian forces inside have said there are hundreds of wounded soldiers and civilians. they have pleaded with the international community to find them a way out, sheltering below ground with no natural light and little news. the children here are crying all the time. they want to play, they want to live , this woman said. they haven't seen daylight for weeks. she said supplies are running low, the ceo of the company that owns the plant said that the

undergrou underground shelters, that can hold 4,000 people have two weeks of food and water, but the war started two months ago. >> to be honest, i'm surprised they still have food and water in the shelters. we couldn't get any help into mariupol because the russians did not allow us to do this humanitarian convoys into the city. >> reporter: the prospects upholding the plant and mariupol look grim. controlling it means putin would control land stretching all the way from crimea to western russia, a long-held goal. >> even if mariupol falls and these poor people are killed and transported away, it doesn't mean that russia will hold it. the ukrainians are getting better and better organized, better and better equipped, and they're going to continue fighting. >> reporter: alex marquardt, cnn, washington. >> so for perspective on the state of the war and specifically about the allegations of russia war crimes we were discussing earlier in the broadcast, we have willya

messaging, spokesperson for president zelenskyy. vladimir putin said today that russia and ukraine managed to achieve what he called serious breakthrough during negotiations back in istanbul, but that the situation changed in his words dramatically following the allegations against russia, war crimes in bucha. does that make any sense to you? >> well, thank you for having me. actually, everything that is said from russian side never makes any sense to me. it is very difficult to negotiate with russia because russia behaves as a terrorist state, and they are changing their positions all the time. they are manipulating and it's really difficult to come up to some conclusion. >> was there progress in istanbul? i don't understand how he says that bucha would have changed any kind of situation. i mean, he's claiming obviously that what happened to bucha

didn't happen in bucha. he's sticking to the russian lie that this was all made up. >> yes. this is absolutely ridiculous because russia is a golden champion in propaganda and fake news creation. of course they cannot recognize the fact that russian army that is so much prized by domestic russian stage-controlled propaganda actually turned into animals that made such atrocities to ordinary, unarmed civilians who were just leaving peaceful lives. right now we understand that many ambassadors and immemediat and antonio guterres are one of many people who tried to reach him explaining why it is important for ukraine, for russia, and for the world to stop though this brutal and

cynical invasion. actually, ukraine does not see much progress in negotiations these days, and russia keeps demanding more and more. >> how important was the meeting between president zelenskyy and the secretary of state and secretary of defense from the united states as well as this meeting of military leaders from nato and elsewhere today? >> absolutely. this meeting was important not only for volodymyr zelenskyy, but it was important for every ukrainian here. so many people were following it. on sunday when the secretary of state and the secretary of defense came to ukraine, there were shellings not only in the east and south of ukraine, but also in the west and central ukraine. and still they took the train and they went through all ukraine to kyiv. at that moment, russia hit five train nations ukraine, maybe

trying to threaten top american officials. but that showed that american officials came to ukraine when the war actually was ongoing and when they actually were risking a lot for putin and risk their lives to come here. that meant a lot. >> kherson is your hometown. officials in ukraine are saying today that pro-russian forces are struggling to hold a referendum there, but succeeded in changing the region government. i wonder what you're hearing from people in the city about that. >> i'm in touch with the citizens and my family from kherson itself and kherson in general every day because i have a lot of relatives there. this is one of the most heartbreaking things that is happening to me. russia installs their regime. there are no freedoms there. there's humiliation of human rights, violation of human rights, and it's an atmosphere of fear.

people can be, you know, damaged, wounded, killed, raped, and nobody can stand for them there. people don't want russia there. my father is celebrating his 61st birthday today, and he said he's not leaving the land and he's waiting for the ukrainian army to come to kherson to relieve kherson but i understand your fiancé is on the front fighting. how is he doing? >> he returned several days ago. my fiancé was staying in the south of ukraine. it was important for him to be near kherson. there was heavy fighting and shell and go i was getting this terrible messages from him. you know, it's really very difficult to look at the telephone to understand that there is no connection. he is somewhere there in the shell and go you don't know if he's going to come back, when he's going to come back. but this is even bad to complain

because i understand this is the fate of ukrainians now to fight, and i am proud that he made that decision. >> julia messandel, i appreciat your time tonight. >> thank you, anderson. a january 6th exclusive ahead. cnn obtained more text messages that shed light on what so i am loyalists to the president were saying in the run-up to the insurrection. one gop member in congress and the lengths he went to overturn ththe election, next.

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. a gop congressman refused to voluntarily cooperate with the january 6th committee, but the panel has a trove of his surprising text messages from the days after trump lost the 2020 election. and now so do we. ryan noble is with the exclusive. >> reporter: congressman scott perry of pennsylvania has been steadfast in pushing the big lie that the 2020 election was stolen. >> the president is going to win georgia. the president's going to win

north carolina. it's all going to come down to the keystone state. >> reporter: but a new batch of text messages obtained by cnn which have not previously been reported illuminate how active he was behind the scenes as well. new messages showing he had a role in almost every turn in scheming to reverse or delay the certification of the 2020 election. on november 12th, five days after the election was called for joe biden, perry texted chief of staff mark meadows. from an intel friend, dni needs to task nsa to immediately seize and begin looking for international coms related to dominion. this text has never been revealed before and it shows perry encouraging meadows to get john ratcliffe to look into false conspiracies about dominion voting machines being hacked by the chinese. perry also claimed the, quote, brits were behind the plot and

cia director gina haskell was covering for them. he texted meadows dni needs to be tasked to audit their overseas accounts at cia and their national endowment for democracy. despite the push from perry, a source tells cnn meadows didn't approach radcliffe about those requests. perry was also insistent that they put jeffrey clark inspection to investigating voter fraud claims. perry introduced clark to trump. on december 26th, perry texted, mark, you should call jeff. i just got off the phone with him and he explained to me why the principle deputy won't work, especially with the fbi. they will view it as not having the authority to enforce what needs to be done. meadows responded, i got it. i think i understand. let me work on the deputy position. and perry replied, roger. just sent you something on signal. well, the committee has access to these text messages, stlerjsz access to any communication on encrypted apps like signal, that

is part of why they asked perry to appear before the committee, something he has refused to do. meadows handed over these etexts to the committee and 2,000 have been obtained by cnn. they show meadows at the nexus of a campaign to prevent the certification of the election. we went in search of scott perry to get an explanation today as to exactly what he was looking for from mark meadows if he had any evidence of these conspiracy theories that he was spouting to the then-chief of staff, his staff ignored all of our requests, so i found him today at the capitol, anderson, asked him to respond. all he said to me was heck no. scott perry with no explanation for the very specific effort that he made to prevent the certification of the 2020 election. anderson? >> yeah. only communicates on signal now. for nearly one month, shanghai has been on strict covid lockdown with many residents now blocked from leaving their homes. the chinese capital beijing could be facing a similar

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covid wave since the start of the ban testimony panic is growing around beijing as the city rolls out a mass covid testing for 20 million residents after 80 cases reported since friday. sparking fierce of a mass lockdown in beijing as shanghai is nearly a month in the strict lockdown after an outbreak spiralled into tens of thousands of cases. joining me now? shanghai cnn correspondent david culver. describe what's happening in shanghai, david. >> reporter: bluntly it's a real mess right now, anderson. you've got tensions rising. fatigue and frustration also going up. it's seemingly endless with the lockdown. i was reading through nigh neighbor as group chat how we have to communicate with each other. that's how we communicate

community with our community liaison. the gaitkeeper. each kmount responsible for the zero covid strategy receiving orders from the top. in my neighborhood there have been fights, tears, residents asking a few hours ago why are you dragging us out to another daily covid test? mind you in the past 43 days my community has been locked down we've had roughly the same number of pcr and ant ijen tests in that period. the lockdown is tightenenings. fences going up. people in parts of the city caged in. more roads being barricaded this week. there are no signs of any easing of this lockdown. and even when the government now tries to reassure that there is a road map out of this people are no longer buying it. anderson, there is a major credibility issue with officials now. >>, wait, can you leave your house, your apartment? >> reporter: i can technically leave with permission from the community liaison. i've got to reach out to them.

once they message me back and give me permission they'll let me leave. but they ask where i need to go, deliver something to the trash or get a covid test, they'll determine whether or not it's allowed. for now trash is piling up in the terrace. >> and in beijing mass testing is taking place. how many positive tests have they had? and could there be a lockdown there? >> all right, we got the new numbers from just a short time ago. and officially these are government figures. we have to stress. they are at 107 cases since this outbreak began last week. for now it's calm in capital cityive we have a team there too. over the weekend there was panic buying and people stocking up. but empty shelved quickly replenished that would be a dream in shanghai. 20 million residents in beijing required to get three pcr tests. that's the population. they have targeted lockdowns. officials while they call it urgent and grim they realize

that it could get bad. however it's also possible, anderson, that after what played out in shanghai beijing may try to get ahold of the outbreak and show the world, see, zero covid, it works. >> hmp. david culver. i hope you get out soon. we'll be right back.

>> announcer: don lemon tonight, next on cnn. stay with withineno cnn for the latest from ukraine. the news continues. i want to hand it over to don lemon. >> hard to believe so much atrocity with the sky behind you gorgeous as morning approaches there, at least dlalt daylight. i have to talk to you about the incredible reporting from bucha. what was your take away of the images and the work of the war crimes prosecutor? >> you know, it's really interesting. i spoke to the international