pennsylvania, goeorgia and beyod to test the strength of the former president, certainly, with jd vance, seeing if he can collect that and declare a victory. >> we will find out in the next few hours. jeff, thank you for that report. thanks to our viewers, i'm wolf blitzer in the "the situation room," erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news, protests growing across the country after the leak of that draft opinion from the supreme court overturning row v wade, plus explosions reported in several cities across ukraine tonight including lviv and kyiv, ukrainian officials say they just shot down a cruise missile. it's election day, polls are about to close in ohio, tonight's primary the first influence test of the trump on the republican party. let's go "outfront." and good evening, i'm erin burnett, "outfront" tonight,

breaking news, protests around the country growing at this hour, less than 24 hours after the explosive leak of the supreme court draft opinion that strikes down roe v wade, sparking demonstrations of course outside the supreme court in washington. this is the scene, it appears thousands of people now have shown up, you can see them, legions of people and president biden warning the fallout could stretch far beyond abortion rights. >> it's really quite a radical decision. it basically says all the decisions that to be made in your private life, who you marry, whether or not you decide to conceive a child or not, whether or not you can have an abortion -- >> now that is based on -- it could shatter a constitutional right in place for 50 years, 98 pages, politico obtained it and president biden is making a

point, the point of roe v wade was for privacy and started that so all the things he mentioned are past things in light of the right to privacy sh which was established in roe v wade, chief spokesperson and john roberts now directed the partial of the court to investigate who leaked the draft. reads in part, was egregiously wrong from the start, time to he'd the constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's leelects representativ. now this is a draft opinion, not a final decision and could change but it was written by justice samuel leto that was very clear and you can see here it was backed by justi clarence thomas, amy cohen barrett, kavanaugh, who said these things in their confirmation hearings. >> as a judge, it is an important precedent of the supreme court, by it, i mean

roe v wade and planned parent hood versus casey that reaffirm many times casey is precedent on precedent which itself is an important factor. >> a fetus is not a person for the purposes of the 14th amendment and the book explains that. >> do you accept that? >> that's the law of the land. i accept the law of the land, senator, yes. >> i mean, they appear to be very genuine in those comments, while, except for, you know, they just voted to do the opposite. republican senator susan collins who was a crucial vote in each of those confirmations now says she's shocked and she writes, quote, if this leaked draft opinion is the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what justice gorsich and kavanaugh said in their hearing and in my meetings in my office, kaitlan collins traveling with the president today, in alabama where the president was, kaitlan, you

obviously had a chance to speak to your sources about the white house, what are you finding about this really explosive draft opinion? we've never had a leak like this before from the supreme court. >> reporter: no, it's almost unprecedented and the white house was basically as caught off-guard as the rest of us. they were a little bit scrambling last night once this draft opinion came out, of course, a big question is whether or not it was authentic, something we saw the supreme court confirm today when we heard president biden weigh in for the first time but erin, though they were caught off guard, it's just not that this outcome was inevitable. this was something the white house had been bracing for, something they knew the supreme court could do, maybe not this soon in a draft opinion the way it came now but knew this decision was possible. so president biden said he had been preparing his staff for this telling his gender policy council and the white house council's office to start thinking of options what they could do if this was ultimately the justice's ruling and what they ultimately decided to do which he did note today this is not the final decision but said

if the rationale stands as it is this is a very radical decision in this is view. so it remains to be seen what exactly the white house's purview is going to be here legally speaking what option they have, aren't as broad as supreme court ruling. you also seen eyes turn to congress asking what they can do and the president sayling he wasn't prepared to make a judgment about changing the filibuster rules so they could potentially pass and caudify roe v wade though that is something like people on the left in 24 his party elizabeth warren, bernie sanders are calling for so that is a big conversation approaching the white house, as this is a major conversation approaching the midterms. here in my home state of alabama, lawmakers today are are saying if this is the final ruling from the supreme court, they are going to move to make abortion illegal. seen other state lawmakers say

the same and i should note just out of the shot now are pro-choice protesters here in the capitol of montgomery protesting this decision, something we will likely see from both sides of this aisle, until this ruling is final from the supreme court. >> kaitlan, thank you very much reporting, from alabama. now, democratic congresswoman jackie spear, first member of congress to share her own abortion experience on the house floor and i want to get to that in a moment, it was an incredible moment and brave thing you chose to do. congresswoman, i want to start with the ruling itself as we understand it. a supreme court spokesperson says the draft opinion by justice aleto is up ended but does not represent the final position of the court on issues in the case. do you truly believe the door is open that there could be a different outcome than what appears this outcome is? >> i don't think there's going

to be a different opinion. they might be doing some word smithing on the actual draft opinion. i don't think year going to see the actual names of those who addressed this opinion as being any different. i don't think we're going to move anyone and i think that what's most troubling about this draft opinion is how loaded the words were. justice aledo went out of his way to be almost confront aatiol in the way he talked about abortion. and it is really stunning to me. >> in in a context, i want to talk about your experience you share said. the first member of congress to share what happened to you, with abortion. you did so on the house floor during a debate over funding for planned parent hood. republican congressman just read a graphic description of how certain procedures are performed and this is how you responded.

>> i had a procedure at 17 weeks, pregnant with a child that had moved from the vagina into the cervix and that procedure that you just talked about was a procedure that i endured. i lost a baby. but for you to stand on this floor and to suggest, as you have, that somehow, this is a procedure that is either welcomed or done cavalierly or done without any thought is preposterous. >> congresswoman i thought those words were so incredibly powerful, the point you were making, right. those who argue oh it's some

form of a birth control, it's agony and the loss you went through that, you know, saved your life. from a personal standpoint, what would this ruling mean to you? >> from a personal standpoint, it pains me, erin, because i had the luxury of having roe in place during my reproductive years. there are generations of women now that will be subject to not having that benefit, not having that safe procedure to be able to count on. and it's so important to appreciate that, you know, 57% of those who have abortions are mothers. this is not some, as you pointed out, some way that women who are somehow running around having sex with every man that comes their way, a way of using it for birth control. and it's a painful process.

just hearing my words again just takes me back in time. it was so difficult to make that decision. so it is a safe procedure, it is a legal procedure in this country and it's about to be ripped out of the hands of women and their partners as may have to contemplate what to do when they have a pregnancy either that is intentional or that has element to it that makes it unviable. >> so just to think about this in a different way, obviously, there, those who make a states right argument that this could be decide at the state level. the new york times points out the comparisons with other countries, only 11 other countries allow abortion for any reason after 15 weeks which is the threshold in the mississippi law this ruling is about, only 11 countries, including germany, italy, norway, all have limits

before or up to 15 weeks. these are countries that the u.s. admires in many ways, right, talking about norway. why not use that threshold in cases that are not medical emergencies. >> well, in fact, it is something we always opposed as well. we had a 24 week or 22 week limitation on abortion in this country and it's always been in conjunction with the life of the mother and i think the real concern here is that this is going to see complete erosion over time. if some states see this as an opening to do whatever they want, you're going to see more states do the copy cat of what texas has done, where they're going to be bounties that are going to be offered for anyone who assists a woman getting an abortion. again, it is a medical procedure

that is safe and one that has been available to women in this country for almost 50 years and that can't be lost on any of us. it is going to have a profound effect on women's abilities to lead their lives, to be able to provide for children they already have, for instance. >> all right, i appreciate your time, thank you very much for sharing this and obviously for sharing those very, very difficult memories for us as well. i want to turn to malary carol now, vice-president for communications at the susan b anthony list, group pouring $72 million, largest political budget ever into nine swing states in the upcoming midterms to support candidates who oppose abortion rights and i appreciate your time, so let's get to what you're doing here. $72 million in the midterms, that is the most money spent in your 30 year history as an organization. abortion rights advocates though, are going to be spending

more than that, apparently 150 million and now got a very energized base as a result of this draft ruling. are you worried you're going to be outmatched. >> thank you erin so much for having me on, i really do appreciate the opportunity. there's no doubt this draft decision will energize both sides but i think for the pro-life movement if the final decision resembles this draft, it's going to be proof of concept for the pro-life movement, and political engaging these past 50 years where we have the court take their thumb off the scale and allow states to produce laws that reflect the values in these states so certainly will energize both sides of the issue but the intensity gap favored pro-life candidates if you look at the breakdown for whom abortion is their number one issue, there are more people on the pro-life

side than the pro-choice and those states you showed, we've been going door to door in these battle grounds and talking not just to pro-life americans who don't always go out to vote in midterm election but also people we've identified as persuadable, women in the suburbs, hispanic voters, people thinking of voiting for a democratic candidate based on support for something else, whether it's immigration or healthcare, a lot of issues americans care about but the problem is the contrast between the two sides on this issue. bo abortion on demand up until the moment of birth, paid for by tax payers, nondoctors, that is in some of the act the senate is pushing now, juxtaposed with reasonable pro-life protections like 15 weeks like you said, 47 out of 50 western european abortions limit abortion -- >> and i did raise that point. but to the point the

congresswoman was making, and having this conversation as two american citizens and also two women, she was at 17 weeks, that was life or death, the deadlines do seem arbitrary and for the vast majority of people, abortion is something they never wanted to have, it's just a tragic and profound loss, do you see her point? >> as a pregnant woman myself at 14 weeks i was so moved by the congresswoman's remarks and noticed she acknowledged the fact that she lost a child and i think that's really important that we have to acknowledge that we know more now than we ever have before about the development of the child in the wo womb, the fact there are two people in every abortion decision so there being room for jus ju justice and mercy to allow the second life for consideration and move back in line with modern science and medicine and

the rest of the world to really humanize and modernize our laws that will be the hopeful outcome of overturning roe v wade is we can start to move to more of a middleground. there are obviously people who don't support, you know, abortion without limits and people who, you know, want to have abortion at some point. there's room for nuance here and what we want to have is a really robust debate, at the state level, and in congress, about where there is consensus and most americans do agree, occurreding to recent polling to mississippi's 15 week marker, this is the point the unborn child can feel pain and we're hopeful, what we've seen thus far from the state as they're always including exceptions for these dramatic cases where the life of the mother is at risk. >> in the beginning of the program, i don't know if you heard, i did play from the confirmation hearings of gorsich and kavanaugh, they spoke about roe, as a president, as law of

the land, as something the way things are and they had no intention to changing, very clear they wouldn't vote to overturn it from what we heard, but obviously it appears here, in this draft, they will do just that. now, putting aside, obviously, your believes and what you've committed your career to doing, do you think they lied under oath or misled? >> i don't think they lied. i think they can't speak to the decisions they're going to face as supreme court justices. there are dozens of pieces of abortion litigation in the lower courts now that could have addressed the same convequestio that's what's before the court and have to examine everything in front of them. think about some of the most powerful sdkzs that we rely on today were overturned with a precedent, think of the lawrence case, leming versus virginia, even plesi versus ferguson,

these are, there is precedent for the court overruling past precedent. >> that is an interesting point. i mean it certainly seems to me they at least misled but you're, of course, it's true, there are times you overturn precedent and that is what happens. thank you very much, malary, i appreciate your time. >> thanks, erin. "outfront" next, multiple explosions across ukraine tonight, knocking out power plants, power to a major city. plus a top russian state television arnchor reporting on mariupol tonight, why the timing of his appearance may be significant. and it is election night in ohio, a crucial one, three major republican candidates for senate. only one says it's time to move on from trump, getting last minute momentum but we'll see who wins tonight. king out front.

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one official inside told us 20 children were there last night, president zelenskyy saying moments ago, more than 150 a able to get out of the plant in total after a brief evacuation effort brokered by the red cross, one family under that plant since march 2nd, two months ago, telling cnn i never thought the earth could shake like that, didn't only shake, the bunker trembled, survivors sharing truly horrible stories as russia ramps up attack against ukraine. sam kiley is "outfront." >> reporter: since russian rockets destroyed her home, killed her brother, all she has left is her mother and her life. >> translator: all at once, started falling one by one, there are explosions everywhere, opposite the kitchen and house, the windows and frame, room to room. we are standing there. my brother was making the sign

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the russians back for now, saying we need powerful long a range artillery and unfortunately is not here yet and could change the whole war. without the weapons promised by the u.s. and other western allies, he says, the russians will destroy everything with artillery and mortars. they're just wiping everything off the face of the earth so there's nothing left to hang on to. for ukraine, this is an existential battle. reenforcements are beak rushed to the frontlines but there's no signs of the heavy weapons needed to block a russian advance, much less reverse it. the doctor says lamila will be moved west for treatment, but the fate of her and her mother is unknown. we simply cannot handle so many wounded with such severe injuries he says.

this woman shelled this morning joins the ward and 13 million other ukrainians fled their homes to escape her fate. >> i was left here naked, nothing at all, no documents, nothing. >> reporter: yet a small victory over putin because she's been neither baggered nor beaten. now up the road toward isium, the thrust made by russians is being fought back by the artillery fired back at them by the ukrainians, this is not just a one direction war, the ukrainians are fighting back ferociously, the russians make small increment al process in te northern front and i think that is why the government there underlined the critical need for

the much more sophisticated nato weaponry that could really turn the war here, put ukrainians on the front foot, erin. >> sam, thank you very much. "outfront" now, u.s. ambassador to the organization for security and cooperation in europe, usce, michael carpeneter and ambassador, i really appreciate your time tonight. you have been warning that russia is ready to annex luhansk and donetsk and could declare kherson an independent republic. what more could you tell us about putin's plans and the timing here? >> yeah, so thanks, erin, we have credible information that russia is planning to possibly annex these two regions of ukraine, as early as mid may and that they are looking at possibly conducting a sham referendum in kherson oblast to declare a so-called peoples'

republic similar to what they've done in donetsk and luhansk and this is part of the kremlin's playbook, we've seen this before. they replaced local officials with russian proxies and puppets, cut cell phone and internet coverage so they can stop reliable information getting in, decreed they'll use the russian ruble so we're looking closely to see if they execute on this plan but do have indications this could be afoot. >> and that could, you know, sizably, would be by thing off larger and larger chunks of ukraine if they do this. ambassador, u.s. and western officials have also said that putin could formally declare war on may 9th and that would, base le , basically allow him to have a draft, mass conscription. prime minister of hungary, victor orban told him that putin

actually plans to eastnd the wan that day, sort of an important day in russian history, patriotic so-called victory day. are you seeing any indication that orban is correct? >> we're seeing, erin, absolutely no indications that putin is about to end this war, although it has been an abject failure for russia, lost the battle of kyiv, but we're seeing all ind kgdss they're regrouping and refocusing forces in the south and east. no indications whatsoever that is about to abate. >> russian ambassador putting forward new numbers, 11,000 ukrainians taken from ukraine to russia, these are russian numbers and the russian defense ministry says more than 1 million ukrainians, 200,000 of them children, have been taken into russia and we know from many reports the 10s of

thousands, hundreds of thousands of ukrainians held against their will at these so-called filtration camps and many forcibly being taken to russia. what information do you have about the filtration camps and ukrainians being forced to russia against their will? >> well we're getting a lot of reports of these filtration camps and indeed, there have been eye-witness accounts, people who have either managed to somehow escape or, i think, in the preponderance of cases, have been prisoners that have been traded and came back to ukraine and have been able to tell their stories either to ukrainian officials or to the international media. and the accounts just harrowing, they go to these filtration camps, god knows what happens if you don't quote-unquote pass, a lot of people disappear and they're missing, we don't know what's happening to them. others come out and alleged torture. so it's just inconceivable we could be talk bing about this i

the year 2022 but that's the reality we're seeing. >> what do you think the real number is of ukrainians put in needs camps, held against their will or taken to russia? >> it's impossible to say in this stage, a lot of unknowns, i suspect the figure is higher than the estimates at this time and similarly, when the international community gets access to the city of mariupol, what we're going to see there i think is going to be absolutely harrowing and horrifying and we all saw the images from bucha and just how monsterous that was and all indications are something similar has been happening in mariupol over the last couple weeks. >> ambassador, i appreciate your time, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. next, new video just coming in of a ukrainian strike on russian military positions comes as putin prepares for russia's so-called victory day. plus, minutes away from polls cpoll closing in ohio's crucial

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least two russian military positions on snake island in the black sea, new video showing military drone striking an area between a building and communications tower. you'll also see a number of explosions in a second location. unclear exactly when these strikes took place, but they come, the video comes as a top russian state television anchor vladimir solodyov known as putin's voice is now in mariupol, a top anchor now going in at this time, the u.s. state department calls him the most energetic kremlin propagandist around, on the u.s. sanctions list, here he is today, with the russian-backed separatist region of donetsk, the first russian kremlin-backed official to enter the siege of mariupol. you see in a press jacket, putting on a kevlar vest about to do a report, his presence as such a senior state media anchor in mariupol at this moment could be significant, correspondent

matthew chance joins us live from moscow where the kremlin is ascribing strict laws how the content is described and broadcast of information it views as false. really appreciate your time, let me ask you this basic question, what does it tell you that vladimir solodyov is reporting from mariupol tonight? >> reporter: well it's interesting that solodyov is one of the top anchor on kremlin-controlled state television. his show attracts, you know, a lot of viewers. he's a very high profile figure, of course, a real major cheer leader of vladimir putin and for this, what russian calls its special military operation inside ukraine. so the fact that he's being sent there now, this crucial moment as russia prepares for the commemorations of the soviet victory over nazi germany in its victory day celebrations coming up on the 9th of may, i think it's significant because it shows you that russia wants to attract as much attention as

possible to what's going on in mariupol, the battle as they see it, as they're portraying it here against the neonazis in ukraine, it's not something they're ashamed of, not something they're trying to hide from the russian public, that mariupol has been devastated in the way it has been, it's something they are proud of and want to highlight because they are saying this is a sort of struggle to the death if you like, between russian forces and neonazis in ukraine, just like the struggle to the death that was fought in the 1940s by the soviet union against nazi germany so this popular anchor is going there, i think, to highlight that. >> also, the timing here, matthew, days ahead of russia annual victory day celebrating the victory in world war ii, huge day, what are you hearing about putin's preparations for the so-called victory day which is may 9th? >> reporter: yeah it's a huge

day, and every year it's a huge day. i think what's different this year, i think is interesting, no world leaders have been invited to those commemorations. it's a big military parade through the center of moscow and other cities throughout russia as well which gives russia an opportunity every year to showcase its military. the latest military hardware on show, intercontinental ballistic missiles on show, and that sort of delivers a warning about russia's military might, but that's all the more potent this year, of course, as russia isn't just, you know, threatening the use of force but is actually using force in a neighboring country, also a possibility that vladimir putin could make some pronouncements about this special military operation in neighboring ukraine as well. >> obviously very significant as we watch that video from 2020, it will be fascinating to see what it looks like this year.

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breaking news, on this election night because that's what it is, polls in ohio just closed a major test of trump's grip over the republican party and race to fill the ohio senate seat eyes are on three candidates, jd vance who trump encoursed, mandel also a trump supporter and state senator matt dolan who wants trump to stop pushing, quote, lies about the election, so one not like the others. and getting the first votes in from ohio, only 3% reporting so far so i want to emphasize that so far but with that 3% reporting, jd vance in the lead at 26%, dolan at 25, and mandel at 21, so a lead but obviously extremely close and only 3%.

"outfront" in cincinnati, jeff, trump was in ohio over the weekend to campaign for jd vance. is there a sense of how large trump is looming over this election as we're just starting to see the results tick in now? >> reporter: erin, no doubt the former president is looming very large. yes he was here in ohio, it was actually about two weekends ago but in television ads, you can really not turn on the tv here, every few moments, president trump's voice is on, tabbing that endorsement for jd vance, before the endorsement, jd vance was in fourth or fifth place, people in ohio do not know him, not nearly as familiar to the primary electorate but that endorsement certainly propelled his candidacy but even in the final days of this race, final hours of this race, a lot of ohio republicans were still unsure about him and whether they would or would not follow the former president's lead. take a listen to one voter we spoke to a few days ago outside

columbus. >> do i, like president trump? yes. do i feel everything that trump says or do i think that he's, you know, the ultimate source? no. g god's the ultimate source and i rely on my own sense of judgment, research. >> reporter: so that really is the question, how many people followed trump's lead, how many did not. that will be resolved this evening, but josh mandel also splitting a lot of that trump support so erin, as the polls are closing, republicans i'm talking to here believe a low turn-out race really leaves wide open which one of the three candidates will come out on top tonight. >> and we mentioned one of them not like the others, the top three candidates and that was the one that didn't seek trump's endorsement, dolan. so what are republicans saying

about him? >> reporter: people are talking about him considerably in the final days of this race. you're right, ierin he was unlie the others as the top four candidates really trying to outdo themselves to get trump's endorsement, dolan was not a never trumper, liked trump's policy but not his personality, says the party need to see move on and that message seems to be catching on in the final days of this race. watching him closely this evening, could he, potentially, come around the side if you will and find a narrow victory. we'll find out in the coming hours, a test of trump's strength, if you will, every may, the former president, not on the ballot but his endorsements are so watching them very carefully. >> thank you very much, as these results start to tick in, at about 3% right now, with that, jd vance with a very tiny lead. our john king at the magic wall ready to break down everything as we get it here over the next couple of moments.

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first results just coming in from the ohio primary and the polls just closing across the state, and it could decide who is going to control the senate in november. john king is at the magic wall, and so as you are there, what are the numbers showing so far? >> well, erin, looking at the races and the primaries playing out, and you can see that jd vance is ahead a little bit more and 2,300 votes a little bit more, and 5% of the vote in, and this going to be taking a while. ohio, you will get a quick vote from several counties and then slows down, so, we will see how it plays in. and some for josh mandel and 22% for matt dolan who is very

anti-trumpian, an josh mandel is saying it is time to put the big lie away, and so what to concentrate on, this is what to look forward to this is columbussh franklin county, and the largest and the most populous county, and the political establishment, and dol dolan is running ahead, and the suburban republican, and if they are coming to dolan, that is significant, because it is the number one population center, and his family owns the cleveland indians, and that is one of trump's weakest, and the republicans up in kcuyahoga county did go for trump. so we will see what happens

here. and down through the calendar, mike dewine has been on your program who is the incumbent governor, and he has been on your program through covid, and he is running well ahead of the two republican challengers including the fellow congressman who is a pro trump candidate, and so we will watch that to see how much of a split there is in the republican party, and one more, erin, i want to bring up the house primaries and one that we are watching but it is the 11th district here, and chantal brown took the house seat of marcia fudge who took the acolyte of bernie sanderselecti some anti-trump there, and some tensions in the democratic primary as well, and so we will watch that in the 11th district. >> important point. now, you have mentioned as we

are going down the calendar tangsand this is the first of several key primaries and what are the rest of the key primaries? >> well, i am focus e cused on hundreds of them as you know, because i love them all. so senate races where president trump has endorsed the republican candidates, and so that is going to be interesting. and so shawn parnell dropped out, and dr. oz and then georgia and alabama and then arkansas and so by the end of the months we will have a scorecard of how trump is doing with the personal endorsements, and this is senate race, and then erin, we want to toss this out, and look at the governor side, because trump is deeply involved in some of the governor races and strengthening it out, and it is some of the states from the west coast to the east coast, and just this month, we will be learning in georgia and grudge match with david perdue and sarah sanders,

and so we will be learning a lot from grass roots republicans. >> thank you, john king. and now we go to abbey phillips and co-anchor of "state of the union" dana bash. it is interesting looking at john's numbers, because you could have the two candidates fully trumpers, you know, one who trump endorse and the other he didn't, and josh mandel and think could get well over 50%, and dolan could win, which is not going to be the will of the republicans overall, but it could occur tonight. and we will see. how large is donald trump looming in the race? >> it is really hard to overstate how large donald trump is looming for several reasons, and the biggest reason is because donald trump, himself, inserted himself in a very aggressive way. he wants to be a player in ohio. he sees ohio as trump country, and it is a state where as john said, even though he did lose,

he won by eight point, and i'm old enough to know that it was a swing state on the presidential level, and it is not anymore, and the fact that everybody except for matt dolan and john talked about him who is a businessman and running as more of a traditional pre-trump conservative, and everybody else has been tripping over one another to be the trump candidate even those, even after those who are not jd vance did not get his endorsement, they are some of them kind of ignoring that and still making the argument that they are the most trump-like. josh mandel, and he has the the culture wars, you know, tied up for sure. i was watching an ad that he has out this morning where he says black lives matter is racist. i mean, that is the kind of attempt that people like him that candidates like him are trying to put out there in order

to pull that sector of the gop electorate towards him, but it is hard as you mentioned, because the trump base, so to speak, it is splintered among the potential candidates. >> and it is amazing, abbey, as dana points out that you would not know who got to trump endorsement, because they are s >> the same organizations trying to take me down in 2022 are the same ones that tried to take trump down in 2016. >> i am the same candidate who represents the people that donald trump represented. >> i feel that the election was stolen. >> do you feel that the election was stolen? >> yes. >> only one got the endorsement,

and abbey loud and clear. >> i think that ted cruz said it best that in this particular race, everybody is trying to show off the donald trump tattoos that everybody has on the rearends, and that is basically where the republican party is right now. this race is unusual, and maybe only because of the kind of the matt dolan factor in the sense that he used that to differentiate himself from the field that is really all about trump, and honestly from trump's perspective, he picked a candidate in this race, yes, but he does not lose even if it is a mandel, and at the end of the day, all of the candidates want to be as close to him as possible. that is why the stakes from trump's perspective, when you ask the question, why did he bother to weigh into to a lot of the race, from his perspective, at the end of the day, he still comes out a winner no matter which candidate ends up winning,

and frankly, even if it is matt dolan, he is not anti-trump, but he wants to put the big lie behind him, and trump at the end of the day will do whatever it takes to have a republican win any of these states. >> and so i wanted to say as we have been talking here, we have a development that we can project on the democratic side of the senate race in ohio that tim ryan will be the winner there. 72%, and obviously well known figure in ohio politic, but we can project that, dana, that it is going to be tim ryan, but it is interesting in the context that you say, dana, that it used to be a swing state, and we used to go there on election night, and freezing that you can't win the white house without ohio, and it is a red state right now. >> it is on the presidential level. you do have a retiring republican senator rob portman, and that is what is it all about and a democrat sherrod brown who

would not consider himself a moderate and he is a progressive and so there is differences and the person who wins on the republican side, and mitch mcconnell is holding his breath, because they want to keep it in the gop hands. >> thank you both so much, as we continue to watch the crucial results in ohio. thank you for watching, and "ac360" starts right now. good evening, these are live protests in washington after a leaked draft opinion from the supreme court said that they may be willing to reshape the abortion decision in this country and so much more. and i'm john berman and we are going to begin with the shocked news that broke 24 hours ago and the question what now? before trying to answer that question which we will attempt over the next hour, but what we do kno