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tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. talk to your rheumatologist about rinvoq relief. rinvoq. make it your mission. learn how abbvie could help you save on rivnoq. multiple breaking news stories to tell you about this hour. the fugitive inmate and corrections officer from alabama were captured a few hours ago after a dramatic car crash in indiana. one of the fugitives, vicky white, was in the hospital tonight after what authorities say looked like a self-inflicted gunshot wound. we've just learned she has died. we'll bring you updates on that shortly. also today, victory day, but not for vladimir putin. no calls for troops, no call for victory, only the soviet victory over the nazis. civilians in ukraine still paying the price. this is video out of the southwest of ukraine in odesa.
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a day of missile strikes has levelled large areas of the city. fighting also intense to the east of ukraine tonight, and that's where we begin our coverage. joining us from kramatorsk is sam kiley. sam, a lot of heavy fighting concentrated in the eastern region of ukraine. what's the latest? >> reporter: well, anderson, this is the strategic prize for the russian campaign, which putin reiterated in terms of his references there in moscow to the donbas and his desire to capture the donbas, that is a large chunk of eastern ukraine, including the city of kramatorsk, where i'm standing right now. on the eve of effectively the victory day parade, those 60 civilians were killed in an air strike on a village not very far from here, well about an hour's drive away, as part of the ongoing campaign being conducted by the russians to try to push in that area south towards the
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city here and also they're pushing in from the east, trying to close up the areas of territory that they've got so that they can have a contiguous extra bit of land that may be ultimately what putin would have to be satisfied with were he to be victorious. but that, of course, remains in very serious doubt at the moment because the russians are not making any very significant gains here on this front. and around kharkiv, indeed, they're losing territory. >> ukrainian officials are also concerned about a bridge that's been erected by the russians in the luhansk region. >> yeah, this bridge was part of the -- bridge or bridges -- it's unclear from the satellite imagery whether there's several or one. but the bridge head was established by the russians across the donetsk river during the thrust when they killed these 60 civilians who were trapped in a school in the bunkers underneath the school from a village in that location.
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the ukrainians, though, have been counter attacking and reported -- at least they're claiming that they've destroyed one of these so-called pontoon bridges or bailey bridges, temporary military bridges being used. first of all, they're trying to sweep around and cut off the main supply route to donetsk, which is on the other side of the river. the major town still in ukrainian government hands, not withstanding the fact there's been a very, very bloody exchange of artillery throughout that area and particularly over that town. and also they want to be able to push on, of course, down to this location here in kramatorsk, anderson. >> sam kiley. appreciate it. thanks. be careful. more on the white house view of the war in ukraine. i understand president biden spoke at a fund-raiser tonight and addressed president vladimir putin. what did he say? >> reporter: yeah, anderson, this was a closed door event but
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reporters were in the room. he talked about the state of play with president putin. president biden says he has another concern, which is that, yes, president putin is this calculating figure that of course u.s. officials have speculated on his intent, on his motives here since this invasion began, but despite that president biden said he is concerned about how president putin plans to get out of this war, what his end game is going to be. i talked to some white house officials since president biden made that remark about what exactly his concern is. and basically how they laid it out is of course at the beginning of this invasion, president putin had this goal and thought quickly he was going to be able to overtake the capital of kyiv, destabilize president zelenskyy's government and basically have a pretty easy takeover and invasion of ukraine. obviously that has not happened. we have since in the several weeks since this invasion first started seen him shift his focus to eastern and southern ukraine. but he is still having trouble in those areas achieving his objectives.
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so, it's kind of created this discussion inside the white house where they say what is his end game here going to be? if he is not achieving something, doesn't have something to basically hang his hat on at the end of the day, what is this going to look like? so far he has been undeterred. he has continued on with this war of attrition essentially. that has been a big discussion today is that what does the end of this look like? it's something you heard the cia director talk about over the weekend which is he believes putin's mindset is basically he can't afford to lose the ar with at this point. >> you also have reporting that what president biden said to his top officials about u.s. intelligence sharing with ukraine, about information about it leaking. >> yeah, this was something that came to a head after last week after "the new york times" first reported that u.s. enintelligen was helping kill russian generals and helping sink that russian flagship. something i had heard from officials that president biden was very upset about that and
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displeased with those leaks about the intelligence because, a, officials argued, we're not telling them exactly where the russian generals are so they can go kill them, with the intent of killing the generals. if the ukrainians are doing that, that's something they can't help. and president biden's view of it was they were overstating what role u.s. intelligence was playing in that and understating what ukrainian intelligence was playing in that. he set up a call. he felt like this needed his direct involvement, anderson. on friday he spoke with defense secretary austin and the director of national intelligence saying that the leaks needed to stop because they weren't strategic. he didn't believe they were being handled correctly, and he worried it's counterproductive to what the united states is trying to do in ukraine. >> thanks. joined by mark hertling. i wonder what your reaction is to president biden's comments vladimir putin can't find a way out of ukraine or figuring out what his end game is going to
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be? >> anderson, if we go back to the very beginning, putin had about six strategic objectives, strategic goals in ukraine. he has failed in achieving every single one of them, executing regime change, controlling the black sea, destroying ukraine's army in the east, subjugate the population, increase economic influence in europe, and further divide nato and u.s. all of those things mr. putin has not been able to achieve from a strategic standpoint. so, what is happening now in this so-called phase two is he's looking for a smaller prize. and even in looking for that smaller prize, as sam kylie just noted, he's having difficulties with the tactical battlefield, achieving any of those tactical and operational objectives, which might lead to one strategic objective of taking a bite of the donbas. so, it's not going well for mr. putin? so, how does he get out of this when he hasn't achieved any strategic objectives? that's a great question and i
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think that's what the president is concerned about. >> more than 85 to 90 howitzers pledged to ukraine have been delivered and completed training on them. we talked to former ambassador taylor last week who said a source of his in the ukrainian military says a number of those have arrived on the battlefield and are being used particularly to great effect, very long range. i don't know if it's the full complement of those that have been delivered in country there. what sort of counteroffensives by the ukrainians would indicate that the artillery is working, that it's being used effectively? >> well, if you go back to when the announcement was first made, anderson, of giving these artillery pieces -- and remember it's not just the 90 pieces the u.s. promises. there's also other nato nations that are also contributing these same types of artillery pieces. but remember when it first started and john kirby said we are starting a program of training the trainers.
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each one of these artillery pieces needs about seven crew members just to fire the artillery. you also have to have the targeting centers and the forward observers, the people who find the targets on the battlefield and pass it to the targeting centers who then pass it to the guns, set the coordinates, and fire the rockets -- or the -- i'm sorry, the rounds. so, you have a whole lot more training to do of these crews as well as the forward observers as well as the individuals who run the computers to get the input into the gun. and if you take seven crew members per gun, 90 guns, anyone can do the math. and that's just the u.s. complement. that amount of people have not yet gone through the training. so, you're seeing some of these weapons introduced to the battlefield. but, you know, as we've talked so many times about this, just because the weapons have been delivered, they're in ukraine, doesn't mean you're going to have the instantaneous effect on the battlefield.
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but going back to the target that you were just talking about, the pontoon bridge, if you shoot a precision artillery round on that bridge, it's going to destroy it. and it will eliminate that capability. but you've got to get the artillery rounds in place first. >> retired lieutenant general mark hertling, always appreciate it it. thank you. still to come, more on victory day in russia, more from moscow about putin's message. later protests over the draft from the supreme court that could overturn roe v wade heating up. mitch mcconnell suggests the possibility of a national ban on abortion. details ahead. allergies don't have t to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your b body from overreacting to allergens all seasason long. psst! psst! flonase all good.
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false. we're joined from moscow by matthew chance. what was it like today, matthew? >> reporter: yeah, it was pretty unusual because, you know, we were right there in the middle of this incredibly patriotic celebration of the russian military. it's a big contrast from the scenes that i personally witnessed and that you've seen as well on the battlefields in ukraine, where russian forces have been, you know, kind of fighting and coming into, you know, real horrific contact with the ukrainian forces on the other side. you see them celebrated this way and the crowds of people patriotically chanting pro-russia slogans in red square, as thousands of troops marched over the cobbles followed by armored columns of tanks, of missile launchers, it was a very unusual experience. and of course vladimir putin made a speech as well.
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it was a lot of anticipation about, you know, how he was going to make some kind of major pronouncement about the campaign in ukraine, which he calls russia's special military operation. would he formally announce the declaration of war? will he bolster troops on the ground? he didn't do either of those things. so, it was slightly more muted than we anticipated. >> the language we heard from vladimir putin was very specific. >> reporter: it was. i mean, he talked about -- he was very defensive. he talked about how russia was facing an imminent threat of attack from ukraine, an attempt to justify russia's military action there, saying that you have to act defensively and preemptively to secure russia. i mean, these are claims that we've heard before. they've been pushed back on hard by the united states, by ukraine, by its allies.
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but nevertheless, vladimir putin spent some time sort of making them and remaking them during this speech. it was also meant to be a commemoration of the soviet defeat of nazi germany in the 1940s. so, there was some of that. but he also went to great lengths to try and draw a connection between, you know, the battles that the soviet union fought against nazi germany in 1945 and the battles that are taking place now. so, he was trying to sort of draw a line between two things. it's something that is, of course, not accepted in the u.s., in ukraine, or in most other parts of the world. >> how many people in russia would have listened to the the speech today or seen it? >> reporter: i mean, it's an enormous amount of people, more than 140 million people in russia. they have access -- this was blanket coverage on russian television. anybody who switched on the television would have seen this. you know, a lot of people would
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have switched on the television sets as well because the victory day commemorations in russia are incredibly important, perhaps the country's biggest sort of national holiday. and it really does ingender a huge sense of national pride. it's not meant to be about the situation today, whatever russia is doing. it's meant to be a commemoration of past glories and this huge sacrifice that russia and the soviet union made in fighting the nazis, a lot of people would have watched. >> matthew chance, appreciate it. thank you. perspective from "washington post" reporter katherine bell ton, who's written extensively about russia and vladimir putin, author of "putin's people: how the kgb took on russia and then took on the west." i want to get your take on the victory day celebrations earlier today, the spectacle of it all, vladimir putin's messaging there. >> yeah, it seemed that really putin was digging in, everyone was expecting him to launch an
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escalation or perhaps even mobilize the population for an all-out war. but i think he realizes that really raises the political risks for him, that then he won't be able to justify the amount of body bags that are coming back, particularly if there are conscripts fighting in ukraine. >> much of the effort on sanctions, or some part of it has been focused on punishing oligarchs, the idea, i guess, that they might have some sort of influence or sway on vladimir putin. is that realistic? i mean, how much do the people around putin, who have made fortunes, how much do they influence putin or how much are they simply have to do the bidding of putin? >> yeah, unfortunately, they influence him less and less as time has gone on. i mean, indeed he basically
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cowered them all into submission early on in his presidency when he jailed the owner of russia's once biggest oil maker and took over his oil company for himself. all the rest of the oligarchs feared that they could face the same fate. indeed, one tycoon told me, he said, if i get the call from the kremlin, they spend $1 billion or $2 billion on this or that strategic project, i can't refuse. i have to comply. >> it's very appealing, the notion of seizing these people's enormous yachts if they've been bought from ill gotten gains. does that actually have an impact? first of all, it's not clear the u.s. is going to be able to actually keep those yachts, sell them off. they may just end upholding onto them. >> certainly the sanctions has really raised the temperature. i mean, putin has been able to kind of preside over russia for as long as he has done because
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he's presided over stability and over a system in which the oligarchs, they aren't exactly victims. they may have to follow kremlin orders and share part of the wealth, but they've been part of the system in which they could keep their fortunes, increase their fortunes, and become vastly wealthy under putin as well. and now that system has been completely changed overnight. the minute putin launched his war, it was as if he pulled the rug out from under their feet. they're all shocked and horrified about the sanctions, losing this life of luxury they had. >> in terms of vladimir putin himself, is it clear how much he is worth? and is it contingent on anything? if the russian economy is not doing well, does it impact his own personal wealth? or is his earnings more complicated than that? >> everyone talks about putin's vast wealth.
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yes probably he does have pockets of cash that he keeps through his own proxies, those closest to him. but essentially, as one close ally of his put it to me, he said that putin can access the cash of the entire country. his power is such that he can force any businessman, any billionaire to share part of their wealth with them. so, essentially, he owns the entire country's economy. >> skpun and one of the things you highlight in your book is how russian economy is tied up. for western politicians who say they want to go after oligarchs' wealth, how difficult is it to completely extricate them from the economies of the u.s. and other western countries? >> well, they've spent some two, three decades now kind of gaining a foothold in the u.s. and in the uk. of course, most of them have
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been businy moving money tryingo avoid russian sanctions. i talked to one russian businessman just today that the u.s. in particular is still a good place for them to hold their cash because i guess they have been placing much tougher measures in europe and the uk. >> interesting. katherine bell ton, thank you so much. >> thank you. thanks for having me. more on our breaking news, the manhunt ending for escaped alabama inmate and his suspected accomplice, the correcections officer who has just reportedly died. ( ♪ ) ( ♪ )
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more now on our breaking news on the capture of the alabama inmate and the corrections officer who were caught after a chase in indiana. as me mentioned moments ago, an indiana sheriff says the corrections officer, vicky white, has died due to her injuries due to a self-inflicted gunshot wound. when officers got inmate casey white out of the car, he reportedly told them to help his wife, who had just shot herself in the head. cnn national correspondent nadia romero join us from florence, alabama. what more are you learning? >> reporter: this is not the outcome, anderson, anyone here who knew vicky white wanted to happen. we were told she was well liked, well respected. many people were shocked to learn she was part of any of this. the sheriff was close with her. she was the number two at the corrections facility. we know that her mother had
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spoken to local media saying that she didn't expect her daughter to do this. and everyone we spoke to, even victims of casey white, all of them agreed that they wanted both of them to be captured, returned back here to alabama safely, with no one injured, not casey, not vicky, and not a member of the public. and unfortunately, that's what we have. vicky white dead tonight from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. we of course will be awaiting for the autopsy reports to learn more about her death. the sheriff told us he had to contact her mother to let her know they had captured her. and now the sheriff's office has to reach back out to her mother to give her this unfortunate news. >> i certainly hope they've done that already. nadia romero, appreciate it. thank you. to a grim warning to the white house, projects 100 million americans could get covid this fall and winter. again this projection is based on the outside models and says the data is based on the assumption there will be no new
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mitigation measures, including the congressional funding in new dramatic variants. the biden administration is asking congress for at least $10 billion to fund testing, treatment, and outbreaks, down from $22 billion. joining us, dr. leana wen. i want to get your take on this estimate of 100 million new infections this fall and winter. do you think the infection rate could go that high or do you think the white house is predicting a worse case scenario to push congress to approve additional funding? >> i think 100 million new infections is definitely possible. when we look at what happened this past winter, during the omicron surge alone, half a million americans got infected with omicron. that's 165 million americans. the difference between last year and this coming year, we have
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more tools. we have testing, vaccines, boosters, treatments. and it would be tragic if we have these scientific advances but congress is not giving us the funding that could reduce harm, that could reduce the chance of individuals getting severely ill and also reduce the strain on hospitals. if it's anything that we've learned in this pandemic, it's that it's so much better to invest up front in prevention. that's what saves lives. >> so, this is probably a stupid question, but given there's always those things you just talked about -- testing and boosters and vaccine and all sorts of things -- why is there the anticipation of 100 million people getting covid? >> i think it's likely that we'll have a lot of people getting infected because what these tools end up doing ultimately is to stop the infections from becoming severe illness. it's to reduce the hospitalizations and ultimately reduce deaths. that's what we care the most about. i think we need to recalibrate
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our expectation. we shouldn't be trying to stop all infection. i think we've seen in china, for example, that zero covid is just not going to work. but very to stop infections from turning into something that is harmful for the individual and also causes strain on our hospitals. that's the reason why we need to vaccinate as the first line of defense. but then also we have treatments that further reduce those risks. and now it's just up to congress to provide the funding so that we, as clinicians, can provide these tools to our patients. >> i'm confused now, having had both vaccine -- two vaccine shots, been boosted, and had covid, i'm confused about what do you do now? i mean, how often are you supposed -- do you get that -- when do you get vaccinated next? >> well, i don't think we quite know the answer to this. right now we know that people need to get at least one additional booster dose for a total of three doses. now, there are certain individuals, people who are
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immunocompromised, people over the age of 50, who are recommended to get a second booster dose for a total of four doses. i think it's quite likely that before this fall, all americans, all adult americans, at least, are going to be recommended to get that second booster dose. and it might end up becoming an annual shot from this point forward, similar to what we do for influenza. i also think it's very likely that covid is here to stay and that we're going to see these surges, these ups and downs when it comes to number of infections. i think that's our new normal. and that's the reason why we need to have all these other tools, these vaccines and treatments, but also testing. because we can't really expect americans to put their lives on hold and not go to indoor dining or travel or gather. but i think we should expect for americans to also protect the vulnerable. so, before they go see their elderly relative at a nursing home, to take a test, or even organizers should also require rapid same-day rapid testing in order to make those events safer for everyone.
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there have been demonstrations nationwide for a week after the leak of a looming supreme court decision that could overturn roe v. wade after protests moved to homes of conservative justices. the senate passed a bill to expand security for supreme court justices. adding to the storm are mitch mcconnell's recent comments that a national ban on abortion could be coming if his party were in control. if the leaked opinion became the final opinion, legislative bodies not only at the state level but at the federal level could legislate in that area, so, yeah, it's possible. it depends where the votes were. but today several republicans seemed to pour cold water on legislative action, like john cornyn who says, i don't think it's an appropriate topic for
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congress to be passing a national law. joining me now, kirsten powers and cnn political commentator scott jennings. kirsten, we spoke last week, i asked how far you thought the court would go. i wonder what your reaction is to what senator mcconnell said. >> well, as soon as the opinion was leaked, there were immediately reports of people having conversations with senators about doing exactly this. so, i think that that is sort of the expectation is that this would be something that the republicans would be interested in doing if they have the votes. and so, of course, they have to be in control of both houses. they would have to also have the white house. and they would have to have a full buster, proof majority, or they would have to get rid of the filibuster. that's the way it could go. so, i think that -- i think the fact that mitch mcconnell is saying this suggests that this
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is a pretty main stream opinion within the republican party. maybe, you know -- i mean, i was kind of surprised he said it frankly because i don't think it helps them very much with the midterms. but that is definitely where they seem to be despite the fact that we've heard about states rights since the beginning of time and how horrible it was to have this taken away from the states and now you have mitch mcconnell talking about having congress just, you know, override the will of states that don't want to have extreme limits on abortion access. >> scott, how do you interpret this? >> i think democrats are overreading what he said. if you read the entire article, he was simply saying that the decision, if it stands, returns the issue of abortion to our political venues. so, that would be state capitols or congress. they would have to have a filibuster proof number of votes to do anything. neither side has that. we're going to find out this week when the democrats put their abortion bill on the floor, which is legislating the
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issue of abortion in a political venue, they don't have 60 votes. i don't think there should be 60 votes on a national ban on congress. i don't expect congress to do much of anything because the senate -- it's hard to get 60 votes for hot controversial topics like this. that's why i think the action is going to be in the state capitols as you're seeing states talk about what they're planning to do and what they've got in place in terms of trigger laws. as it relates to the u.s. senate, you've got to have 60. and mcconnell made a speech on the floor today mrt million time reiterating he will not break up the filibuster. >> but scott if -- i mean, elections -- the next election comes around, if the senate changes significantly, is it something there might be -- wouldn't there be, perhaps, a ground swell among conservatives who would want at the very least
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to have votes on this. >> sure. from the conservative viewpoint is pretty extreme on tleft side of the abortion debate. basically you've got people in both parties that want to do something that's -- you know, what many people would consider extreme. but there aren't 60 votes for either of these things. so, ultimately if anything were to happen, it would probably happen more between the 40 yard lines. most likely in my opinion state capitols is where you're going to see the action on this issue. if the opinion stands, which of course there's no guarantee it will. >> kirsten, there was all this talk to scott's point, the filibuster, talking about getting rid of the filibuster to try to pass laws on rowe v. wad. wouldn't have that opened the door for republicans to ban abortion by simple majority vote if they win congress this fall? >> yeah, it would have. but i think the argument the democrats would make is that they haven't been ai believe to
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get anything done for a very, very long time because of how the republicans have made a decision as far back with president obama as basically being obstructionist to anything they want to do and not wanting -- and not just on a -- not on a policy standpoint but just trying to avoid wins for democratic presidents. so, that's the thinking behind it. of course it would open up the door. but at the same time, i know scott always says that mitch mcconnell would never ever, you know, go back on one of his principles. but of course we remember his very deeply held principle about the fact that you should not bring up a supreme court justice in an election year when barack obama was president. and then he was found on camera telling people in 2019 that if something opened up in 2020 of course he would bring it up, which elicited a bunch of laughter from republicans. and then we know the rest of the story, which is that actually much closer to the election they
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brought up amy coney barrett. she's now on the supreme court. the idea that mitch mcconnell won't change his mind about this because he holds these deeply held beliefs i think is hard for a lot of people to really buy into. the second thing i would say is he didn't say it would happen tomorrow. we don't know what's going to happen down the road. there could be a republican president and republicans running both houses. so, if that happened he said we have to see where the votes are. he meant where are the votes in congress. so, he's making it pretty clear that if the votes are there, this is something they would do. the only thing that made it possible is the fact there are no votes right now or not enough votes. >> scott? >> yeah, look, on this filibuster business, i know i'm a broken record on this every time we discuss it. for four years we had donald trump as the president of the united states beating on mitch mcconnell every day to end the legislative filibuster. if there was a chance to end it, it would have been then. and they didn't break. just today he reiterated, we will not break the legislative
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filibuster. his position on bringing up supreme court justices in election year is a little more nuanced than kyrsten made it out to be. during the trump years all the democrats in the senate wanted to preserve the filibuster. now that biden's in, you've got a lot that doesn't want to change it. the only constant is mitch mcconnell and i think he won't. >> thank you. coming up, more on the crisis in ukraine. ukrainian refugees are getting back on their feet thanks to hospitality in ireland. next. allergies don't have to be scary.y. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! ! psst! flonase all goo.
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>> it may be thousands of miles away, but my hometown is just one part of rural ireland being transformed by the war in ukraine. hello. how are you? what's going on? how are you? a little bit. see, i was over there. >> six weeks ago, we were a school of 103 people. seven teachers. we arrived after saint patrick's weekend to a 50% increase in our school population. where today six weeks later we have an enrollment of 155 students and 10 teachers. ♪ but a population of five million people, they have taken in 25,000 ukrainians fleeing the war. hundreds have come here and everyone is involved in making them feel welcome. >> i come in here mostly when the classes are finished. and there's a beautiful young girl here. she is a classic pianist.
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and she comes in and plays the piano when the school is closed. so she plays for an hour or two in the evenings. fantastic. >> hello mr. o'sullivan. how you are? where is everybody here from where are you from? >> i'm from kyiv. >> you're from kyiv? >> yeah. >> how long you have been in ireland? >> two months, maybe. >> two months? >> yeah. >> she is exceptionally talented piano player. >> you are the pierre yoe player? >> yes. >> is that you? >> yeah. >> do you play in here? >> yeah. >> as well as using translation apps, they have hired teachers to help the new students learn english. all the general knowledge is g the english is of a low level. but they're like sponges. they learn really quickly. they're already -- they're lovely children. they're always smiling. >> as for irish students -- >> i think it's a very nice experience to have ukraine people in our class. and that they can learn from us
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and we can learn from them. >> and you're happy to have so many new people in the school? >> yes. it's different. it's a lot busier. people have new friends now. it's very nice. i like it. >> it's just so lovely. despite language barrier, to see students engaging, learning, happy and laughing. and adjusting. a huge success and just totally because of the whole community. >> across ireland, ukrainian refugees have been placed in hotels and emergency accommodation and granted the right to work. despite stretched resources, many local communities are happy to have them. >> it's a lovely thing happen in the shop. it was four or five days ago. ukrainian family, they were buying stuff in the shop. and they were just about to pay the bill when he stepped in and said, no. and he handed me his card and he said i'm getting that. and i mean they were in tears. >> he came here with her two
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children and has been overwhelmed by the irish welcome. but, of course, still yearns for home. >> you know irish people ask, you are happy? and we are trying to be happy. because so we have everything that we need now here. but we don't have real life. and it's difficult. >> back at the school -- >> you come in here. who's this? >> this is my daughter. >> her mom came by to watch her daughter perform for some of her new irish and ukrainian friends. ♪ >> that makes me so happy. such a lovely piece. >> yeah. really rollout the red carpet. >> i can't believe that school has gone from 100 kids to 150. >> yeah. >> 50% growth.
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>> the irish government has provided the school with extra resources, english teachers there. but what we did also see on our travels there is, you know, you saw such a fantastic welcome there. but this is not the case for all asylum seekers in ireland. there is european union wide direct directive which fast passed them into the european countries. many asylum seekers are still stuck in limbo and campaigners we spoke to in ireland want to say now is that, look, we have proven ireland has proven that it can treat asylum seekers in this way. they should do that for people there. >> i appreciate it. thank you. we'll be right back. does it worry me? absolutely. they are both very much hand in hand, so you should really be focusing on both, anand definitely at the same time. sensodyne sensitivity & gum gives us a dual actction effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. by brushing with sensodyne sensitivity & gum at home, it's giving you the relief that you need and the control that you need to take care of your oral health.
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